Note to self...stop neglecting professions.

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I was in Azshara working to level up (lvl 53 undead warlock). Grinding in
the Satyr area in the NNE, I got an enormous amount of runecloth and some
felcloth. I looked up what I can make with felcloth and it looks promising.
Then I looked at my skill level...a paltry 208. Heck, I couldn't even use
the runecloth yet. After kicking myself for neglecting my tailoring, I went
on a mission. Yesterday I went from 208 to 245. To do this, I had to farm
a HUGE amount of mageweave. The Woodpaw area just south of Camp Morache in
Feralas is awesome for farming mageweave. I even came across some blue
items that I sent to one of my alts. I can't wait to get my skill up to 250
so I can finally use all that runecloth taking up space in the bank. Then,
look out 280, here I come.
 
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I'm so unlike you.
I would never 'grind' and I would never 'farm'.
All the exp I've got from all my characters have been acquired by
quests. I find killing the same mobs over and over 'just for the exp'
simply pointless, like if someone was skinning me alive with sandpaper
kind of feeling.
Not that there's anything wrong with what you do, It's really just not
my style. It's similar to when I have some quests for a dungeon, let's
say Gnomeregan (lvl about 27-33), join a group and see a lvl 47 there.
I politely leave the group. I don't know why some people (not talking
about you) like to play the game in 'autopilot', the less difficulty
the better. Specially in WoW, where the death penalty is just a 2
minute run, why people like having a lvl 20000 guy killing everything
just so they get the items and quests done. Doesn't that defeat the
purpose? Isn't someone else playing the game for you?
Just some random rants, my brain pullulates when I read the words
'grind'. I've liked WoW because I haven't had to 'grind' in the 5
characters I play regularly (lvls 37,32,28,27 and 25). Always a quest
to complete somewhere.
I guess this is because to me, once I get to 60 the game is over for
that character, nothing new to look forward to (I dont consider
equipment something 'new' to look forward to). I understand that to
other people, the game starts at 60 (can't figure out why) so the
fastest they get there, the better.

That's the fun thing about MMORPGs, people who like completely opposite
things can play and enjoy the same game
 
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Hunters:

Don't neglect your cooking.

While in the early levels you're pet will be just fine eating raw meat
that you get off beasts, at higher levels, 40+, your pet is going to
get finicky.

I have to feed my cat 3 times what he normally ate before, and with
high level meat, to keep him happy.

I'll assume it'll get worse. I'm pretty sure he's expecting some
Cordon Blue and Filet Mignon and to go back and learn cooking from
scratch is a major pain.

So if you see a level 47 Hunter charging through the Strider population
of Darkshore, that's me.
 

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wolfing wrote:
> I'm so unlike you.
> I would never 'grind' and I would never 'farm'.
> All the exp I've got from all my characters have been acquired by
> quests. I find killing the same mobs over and over 'just for the exp'
> simply pointless, like if someone was skinning me alive with sandpaper
> kind of feeling.
> Not that there's anything wrong with what you do, It's really just not
> my style. It's similar to when I have some quests for a dungeon, let's
> say Gnomeregan (lvl about 27-33), join a group and see a lvl 47 there.
> I politely leave the group. I don't know why some people (not talking
> about you) like to play the game in 'autopilot', the less difficulty
> the better. Specially in WoW, where the death penalty is just a 2
> minute run, why people like having a lvl 20000 guy killing everything
> just so they get the items and quests done. Doesn't that defeat the
> purpose? Isn't someone else playing the game for you?
> Just some random rants, my brain pullulates when I read the words
> 'grind'. I've liked WoW because I haven't had to 'grind' in the 5
> characters I play regularly (lvls 37,32,28,27 and 25). Always a quest
> to complete somewhere.
> I guess this is because to me, once I get to 60 the game is over for
> that character, nothing new to look forward to (I dont consider
> equipment something 'new' to look forward to). I understand that to
> other people, the game starts at 60 (can't figure out why) so the
> fastest they get there, the better.
>
> That's the fun thing about MMORPGs, people who like completely opposite
> things can play and enjoy the same game

First, I quite agree: it's excellent that people who like different
things can all find something to like in the game.

I actually like to grind sometimes. One of my favorite things to do is
to rebuild a character's talents, equip the character for how I think
the new talents should work, and then go grind some place that I know
well so that I can see if the results meet my expectations. I also like
grinding because it helps me acclimate myself to a character's strengths
and weaknesses, by enabling me to try tactiics over and over in a
familiar setting.

However, I like questing as well, at least when I'm doing a quesst that
I haven't just recently completed several times. And I like instances,
when I haven't run through them a lot of times recently.

I really like PVP battles, especially defending against a raid, and I
like Warsong Gulch a lot. Haven't tried Alterac Valley yet. SOunds fun,
but the time investment is daunting.

Just recently my 68-year-old mother and her sister started playing, and
rapidly rose to level 28. They had never been in an instance, so we put
together a team for Blackfathom Deeps, and man! They were great! That
was a blast. I think they'll be doing lots more instances now, and I
hope to go along for the ride as often as possible.

So I like a lot of different ways of playing.

There are also some things I don't like much. I don't like random duels.
I *do* like a duel when the person who wants to duel is willing to
repeat it a bunch of times so that whichever one of us is losing can
learn how to win. That process is a lot of fun for me. A duel with some
random person met on the road somewhere isn't much fun for me.

I don't enjoy ganking. I've tried it, when in the company of friends who
want to do it; it's just not fun for me. I do like beating someone
higher level who tries to gank me (but this is hard, of course). I also
like surprising a ganker, making his expected easy kill into an
unexpected nightmare :). That's a lot of fun. Playing a rogue is great
for this one. You can stealth and hang around a lower-level friend and
chat, and sometimes pop a surprise on a ganker. Whee!

I don't like repeatedly raiding the same high-level instance in search
of uber loot; that gets old real fast. I tend to like parties of friends
much better than random pickup parties, and the things I dislike about
random pickup parties tend to be much worse with raids (although I have
been in a few well-run raids that I really did like).
 
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Oops, make that Camp Mojache. :)


"Grogmeister" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message
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>I was in Azshara working to level up (lvl 53 undead warlock). Grinding in
>the Satyr area in the NNE, I got an enormous amount of runecloth and some
>felcloth. I looked up what I can make with felcloth and it looks
>promising. Then I looked at my skill level...a paltry 208. Heck, I
>couldn't even use the runecloth yet. After kicking myself for neglecting
>my tailoring, I went on a mission. Yesterday I went from 208 to 245. To
>do this, I had to farm a HUGE amount of mageweave. The Woodpaw area just
>south of Camp Morache in Feralas is awesome for farming mageweave. I even
>came across some blue items that I sent to one of my alts. I can't wait to
>get my skill up to 250 so I can finally use all that runecloth taking up
>space in the bank. Then, look out 280, here I come.
>
 
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We're might not be as completely different as you think. I have gotten
almost all of my levels by questing. Sometimes it seems like I run all over
hell and back to finish them. On occasion, I'll do a short grind if I'm
close to the next level. I had (at least I think I had) to farm for the
mageweave because I needed so much of it to raise my tailoring. Had I not
neglected my tailoring (hence the subject line), I don't think I would have
been in the position of needing so much mageweave. Come to think of it, I
may have been so focused on questing that I didn't pay attention to the
professions. I can't honestly remember a situation that tailoring has
helped when questing.

"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm so unlike you.
> I would never 'grind' and I would never 'farm'.
> All the exp I've got from all my characters have been acquired by
> quests. I find killing the same mobs over and over 'just for the exp'
> simply pointless, like if someone was skinning me alive with sandpaper
> kind of feeling.
> Not that there's anything wrong with what you do, It's really just not
> my style. It's similar to when I have some quests for a dungeon, let's
> say Gnomeregan (lvl about 27-33), join a group and see a lvl 47 there.
> I politely leave the group. I don't know why some people (not talking
> about you) like to play the game in 'autopilot', the less difficulty
> the better. Specially in WoW, where the death penalty is just a 2
> minute run, why people like having a lvl 20000 guy killing everything
> just so they get the items and quests done. Doesn't that defeat the
> purpose? Isn't someone else playing the game for you?
> Just some random rants, my brain pullulates when I read the words
> 'grind'. I've liked WoW because I haven't had to 'grind' in the 5
> characters I play regularly (lvls 37,32,28,27 and 25). Always a quest
> to complete somewhere.
> I guess this is because to me, once I get to 60 the game is over for
> that character, nothing new to look forward to (I dont consider
> equipment something 'new' to look forward to). I understand that to
> other people, the game starts at 60 (can't figure out why) so the
> fastest they get there, the better.
>
> That's the fun thing about MMORPGs, people who like completely opposite
> things can play and enjoy the same game
>
 
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Night Elf wrote:
> -What utter rubbish, Questing is the fastest way to level. I have 3 lev
> 60`s
> -and Grinding helps - But if you expect to hit level 60 from grinding alone,
> -then we will see your level 60 in a years time, not only that, killing
> -10,000 mobs will drive you bonkers.
> -
> -When u quest you not only get the xp from dropping mobs, you get larger xp
> -amounts from the handin rewarded (obvious really)
>
> Are you sure grinding doesn't pay off :p
>
> I have a meter that shows XP per hour and I can get more when grinding on
> the same place that with mooving around and trying to find quests.

I think that it depends. The problem with questing is that there will
be times when you are earning zero xps. For example on a quest that
requires that you kill 10 mobs and then do a turn in. In this example
you are earning at the same rate as grinding and then you stop earning
whilst you run to the quest npc to complete the quest. If the quest xp
is more than you would earn in the time it took you to run to the npc
(and back again to do more killing) then the quest is faster xps than
pure grinding otherwise it isn't. I think that the most efficient way
is to find quests in the same area and then work on them at the same
time and do the turn-ins in one go. A good example is the hunting
quests in Stranglethorn Vale - you get them all from the same place and
hunt in the same areas and turn in at the same place. This increases
your efficiency a lot. There are a lot of quests started and finished
in Booty Bay too and most of them involve killing things in STV too.


steve.kaye
 

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WHINE!
Its not pointless "grinding" and "farming". You get items and experience
faster than questing!

wolfing wrote:

> I'm so unlike you.
> I would never 'grind' and I would never 'farm'.
> All the exp I've got from all my characters have been acquired by
> quests. I find killing the same mobs over and over 'just for the exp'
> simply pointless, like if someone was skinning me alive with sandpaper
> kind of feeling.
> Not that there's anything wrong with what you do, It's really just not
> my style. It's similar to when I have some quests for a dungeon, let's
> say Gnomeregan (lvl about 27-33), join a group and see a lvl 47 there.
> I politely leave the group. I don't know why some people (not talking
> about you) like to play the game in 'autopilot', the less difficulty
> the better. Specially in WoW, where the death penalty is just a 2
> minute run, why people like having a lvl 20000 guy killing everything
> just so they get the items and quests done. Doesn't that defeat the
> purpose? Isn't someone else playing the game for you?
> Just some random rants, my brain pullulates when I read the words
> 'grind'. I've liked WoW because I haven't had to 'grind' in the 5
> characters I play regularly (lvls 37,32,28,27 and 25). Always a quest
> to complete somewhere.
> I guess this is because to me, once I get to 60 the game is over for
> that character, nothing new to look forward to (I dont consider
> equipment something 'new' to look forward to). I understand that to
> other people, the game starts at 60 (can't figure out why) so the
> fastest they get there, the better.
>
> That's the fun thing about MMORPGs, people who like completely opposite
> things can play and enjoy the same game
 
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"Tim" <tim@hd.swip.net> wrote:

> WHINE!
Where did he whine? Or are you just talkin out of your ass?

> Its not pointless "grinding" and "farming".
Who are you to decide whats pointless for him and what's not?

> You get items and experience faster than questing!
So what? Did anyone write something else? Or what point are you
trying to make?

Chris

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Lonewalker - Striding Tauren (15) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jazrah - Brutal Troll (16) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jivarr - Charming Troll (12) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
 
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"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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> "Tim" <tim@hd.swip.net> wrote:
>
> > WHINE!
> Where did he whine? Or are you just talkin out of your ass?
>
> > Its not pointless "grinding" and "farming".
> Who are you to decide whats pointless for him and what's not?
>
> > You get items and experience faster than questing!
> So what? Did anyone write something else? Or what point are you
> trying to make?
>
> Chris
>
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> Lonewalker - Striding Tauren (15) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
> Jazrah - Brutal Troll (16) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
> Jivarr - Charming Troll (12) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]

What utter rubbish, Questing is the fastest way to level. I have 3 lev 60`s
and Grinding helps - But if you expect to hit level 60 from grinding alone,
then we will see your level 60 in a years time, not only that, killing
10,000 mobs will drive you bonkers.

When u quest you not only get the xp from dropping mobs, you get larger xp
amounts from the handin rewarded (obvious really)

Besides, for most people incl my self it is totally boring grinding
(although I do it my self when need be).
 

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What Ever wrote:
> "Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
> news:42dca3a1$0$1151$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch...
>
>>"Tim" <tim@hd.swip.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>WHINE!
>>
>>Where did he whine? Or are you just talkin out of your ass?
>>
>>
>>>Its not pointless "grinding" and "farming".
>>
>>Who are you to decide whats pointless for him and what's not?
>>
>>
>>>You get items and experience faster than questing!
>>
>>So what? Did anyone write something else? Or what point are you
>>trying to make?
>>
>>Chris
>>
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>> Lonewalker - Striding Tauren (15) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
>> Jazrah - Brutal Troll (16) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
>> Jivarr - Charming Troll (12) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
>
>
> What utter rubbish, Questing is the fastest way to level. I have 3 lev 60`s
> and Grinding helps - But if you expect to hit level 60 from grinding alone,
> then we will see your level 60 in a years time, not only that, killing
> 10,000 mobs will drive you bonkers.

How to get from level 1 to level 60 in 7 days /played:

http://www.0kuntz.ca/ego/mage.htm

The method is questing from level 1 to 15, grinding the rest of the way.
I tried it to see if it works; by the time my mage reached level 40, I
was satisfied that it does. Makes a lot of money, too, and generates
lots of good items.

That said, it *is* boring a lot of the time, too boring for me to keep
it up.

> When u quest you not only get the xp from dropping mobs, you get larger xp
> amounts from the handin rewarded (obvious really)
>
> Besides, for most people incl my self it is totally boring grinding
> (although I do it my self when need be).

I can grind quite a bit and enjoy it, especially for the purpose of
testing tactics. But, in the end, it does get boring.
 
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"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm so unlike you.
> I would never 'grind' and I would never 'farm'.
> All the exp I've got from all my characters have been acquired by
> quests. I find killing the same mobs over and over 'just for the exp'
> simply pointless, like if someone was skinning me alive with sandpaper
> kind of feeling.
> Not that there's anything wrong with what you do, It's really just not
> my style. It's similar to when I have some quests for a dungeon, let's
> say Gnomeregan (lvl about 27-33), join a group and see a lvl 47 there.
> I politely leave the group. I don't know why some people (not talking
> about you) like to play the game in 'autopilot', the less difficulty
> the better. Specially in WoW, where the death penalty is just a 2
> minute run, why people like having a lvl 20000 guy killing everything
> just so they get the items and quests done. Doesn't that defeat the
> purpose? Isn't someone else playing the game for you?

Please see your comment below for an answer to this!

<snip>

> That's the fun thing about MMORPGs, people who like completely opposite
> things can play and enjoy the same game
>

There you go :)
 
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-What utter rubbish, Questing is the fastest way to level. I have 3 lev
60`s
-and Grinding helps - But if you expect to hit level 60 from grinding alone,
-then we will see your level 60 in a years time, not only that, killing
-10,000 mobs will drive you bonkers.
-
-When u quest you not only get the xp from dropping mobs, you get larger xp
-amounts from the handin rewarded (obvious really)

Are you sure grinding doesn't pay off :p

I have a meter that shows XP per hour and I can get more when grinding on
the same place that with mooving around and trying to find quests.
The best thing you can do is to find grindable quests and do them by killing
5 times more than u need.
And btw AOE grinding with a mage is more fun than most quests :)



http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-mage&T=133340&P=1

http://www.0kuntz.ca/ego/mage.htm
 
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"Robert S." <trawetstrebor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hunters:
>
> Don't neglect your cooking.
>
> While in the early levels you're pet will be just fine eating raw meat
> that you get off beasts, at higher levels, 40+, your pet is going to
> get finicky.
>
> I have to feed my cat 3 times what he normally ate before, and with
> high level meat, to keep him happy.
>
> I'll assume it'll get worse. I'm pretty sure he's expecting some
> Cordon Blue and Filet Mignon and to go back and learn cooking from
> scratch is a major pain.
>
> So if you see a level 47 Hunter charging through the Strider population
> of Darkshore, that's me.
>

I found the cooking more useful for the stat enhancement and the regen
effects. Your pet will never outgrow the quail you can buy off meat
venders. Because I have a cat, some of the higher level fish I catch can be
used as food. But I can't remember any regular meat drops, offhand, that a
60 pet will get 35 happiness per tick from. And if it doesn't get it off
them raw, it won't get it off them cooked, at least I've not run across a
recipe that gave the pet more Happiness than the raw meat component.

So for me, it's cooking for stats and regen (noticeably helpful), and
fishing for cooking and for pet food. ;)

Hope that Helps and Happy Hunting!
 
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"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I'm so unlike you.
> I would never 'grind' and I would never 'farm'.

Then you would be well advised to never take up Leatherworking
either.

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