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December 25, 2012 3:14:13 PM

Hey

im going to buy an XFX 7770 Double Dissipation
but my PSU has not that much Watts

here my PSU


here my system

Motherboard : ASRock N68 VS3 UCC
Ram : 4GB ddr3 1600MHz (after i got my 7770 going to buy another 4Gb ddr3 1600MHz "Or is that a bad choice ?")
CPU : AMD X4 640 3GHz Quad Core

(fans)
1 - 120MM Fan
3 - 80MM Fan's From Coolermaster BC80 Blue LED
card reader 21 in one
1 - Dvd Reader
1 - 500GB HDD

the PSU what i now use does not have the PCI-E Power Cable. but i saw i can get very cheap those adapters from molex to PCI-E

But will my Powersupply run it ?

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December 25, 2012 3:24:51 PM

THROW OUT THAT POWER SUPPLY RIGHT ******* NOW ... not kidding that *** could burn your system

it's only fake 300w so no it wouldn't run it

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

You shouldn't have any problem with that, if you want to add a lot of stuff, maybge going for a CX600


Merry Christmas
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December 25, 2012 3:34:04 PM

oke but because the ms tech ms n 750 is not that populair will it just do it job

or is it a better choice to get an corsair 400 watt ? or

will the ms 750 will jsut do it job and wont fail ?
December 25, 2012 3:46:30 PM

im reading over the net and found this about the powersupply the ms tech 750

its translated so it may contain Faults !

This is a very poor diet that is certainly not advisable to buy. It is the cheapest of 750W there is and that is also noticeable. The 3.3V, 5V and 12V connection are about 30-40% below the voltage to hear what they have and the-5V and-12V are merged to-8.9V.
Problems which occur are that the video card still fails causing the screen is just black. CPU and GPU overclocking is totally impossible and the system itself is unstable sea. Some USB HDDs do not agree on this PC when I connect.


Used white AMD A8-3870K Black Edition, Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo, Gigabyte GA-A55M-DS2, Cooler Master Elite 431, Seagate DB35.3 ST3500830SCE, 500GB en Corsair CMV8GX3M2A1333C9.
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 25, 2012 4:04:36 PM

Bromeh said:
THROW OUT THAT POWER SUPPLY RIGHT ******* NOW ... not kidding that *** could burn your system

it's only fake 300w so no it wouldn't run it

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

You shouldn't have any problem with that, if you want to add a lot of stuff, maybge going for a CX600


Merry Christmas
It's a low power, but not a bad PSU. UL number E131881 also matches other Delta manufactured PSUs from Chieftec and I haven't found any info leading me to believe they are bad. Delta also manufacture PSUs for Antec.
December 25, 2012 4:18:13 PM

oke ghislainG thanks for the info !

but what should i do buy the 750 watt psu
but someone posted a review on it white many bad things !

but that guys uses more than me

im just using an amd x4 640
he uses a big cpu cooler
im just using the zalman cnps 9300AT
he uses a big motherboard

im using a atx asrock n68 vs3 ucc
but what should i do i font have a high budget i want a powersuply that runs all perfect the 7770 and amd x4 640 500gb hdd

what should i do ?
December 25, 2012 4:23:50 PM

what about this psu ?

MS-Tech MS-N550 VAL

? 550Watts

and someone posted this

nice quiet power, good and nicely packaged, no rickety thing, looks good quality from outside and inside (not glued wires). enough sata / molex cables and good flexibility.

cheap!
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 25, 2012 6:03:07 PM

You've asked the same question 15 days ago and you never received a satisfactory answer. Your current PSU can run that low power video card, but since you want a new PSU, what's your budget and where can you buy it? Unless you plan on upgrading your system, a 380-450 watt PSU more than meets your requirements. Why consider a 750W PSU for a system that draws less than 300 watts? More power doesn't always means better. The MS-Tech MS-N750-VAL is an older design that provides 38A total on the 12V rails. That PSU is closer to 500W than 750W.
December 25, 2012 7:30:34 PM

oke sorry somehow i didnt got mails in my email and i didnt unsibscribed so i didnt know there were awnsers and i couldnt find my post back !

sorry about that !

my psu can power that low card the 7770 right

most peopel say the psu is the hart of your system and you dont want it to fail !
thats why i want a better one becasue the system is now new

newm otherboard
new cpu
new ram
and now there is coming a new graphics card

but the psu is still almsot 4 years old

i like the design of the MS Tech 550
its sleeved

you can plug the cables in that you need all the other cables yo udont need u can plugg of

i can only buy from azerty.nl

will this psu be great ?

http://azerty.nl/8-1073-491850/ms-tech-ms-n550-val-voed...
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 25, 2012 8:16:29 PM

Even a 10 years old PSU isn't an issue. I wouldn't recommend a PSU with an efficiency that's less than 75%. If you can afford it, get an Antec Basiq VP-450P http://azerty.nl/0-1073-366093/antec-basiq-vp-450p-voed... a Corsair Builder Series CX430 http://azerty.nl/8-1073-555971/corsair-builder-series-c... or a 500W OCZ CoreXStream http://azerty.nl/8-1073-533231/ocz-corexstream-voeding-... They are not modular, but they offer better quality.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Powe...
December 26, 2012 9:06:01 AM

a little question what does this mean than ?

MS-Tech MS-N550 VAL
does not have any efficiency ?

and is either not modular i think

but the other what you told are also not modular but have effinciency

what does that mean ?

my pc is only running his

Motherboard ASRock N68 VS3
CPU Cooler (Zalman CNPS 9300AT)
CPU AMD X4 640
1 80mm coolermaster bc 80 fan on motherboard
further the molex

2 Molex for the coolermaster bc 80
2 sata to power the dvd drive and hdd

more im not using

and later the xfx 7770

but like now im using an delta electronics psu

and some poeple told me it is a bad psu low quality !
but its running for 4 years

wil the ms tech 550 val run

on my system White the xfx 7770 ?
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 12:27:06 PM

Your Delta PSU isn't as good as the newer Antec VP350 that's manufactured by Delta, but it isn't a bad PSU. The Antec VP450 is obviously better.

Higher efficiency means lower costs to operate the system, less heat is generated and lower fan speeds to keep the PSU cool.

Did you at least download and read http://www.ms-tech.de/de/datenblatt/MS-N550-VAL.pdf?

Efficiency: < 75%
PFC: Passive
Weight: 1kg

That PSU is less powerful than the Antec VP450, has a lower efficiency, no active PFC (only very cheap/old designs still use passive PFC), etc. Your Delta PSU definitely better quality. You really want the MS-N550-VAL because it's modular?
December 26, 2012 1:28:05 PM

hey again sorry for so many questions !

higher efficiency means lower cost
i think that is right. but will it cost many euro in a year more ?
less geat is great ! and lower fan speed means lower noise level
what you said here

Efficiency: < 75%
PFC: Passive
Weight: 1kg

is that the ms tech 550 ?

how much efficiency does my delta psu have ?

oke so it wont deliver enough power to my system + The XFX 7770 ?

but if my delta psu has better quality will it run my system white the xfx 7770 using a molex to pci-e adapter ?

December 26, 2012 1:34:57 PM

i want the msn tech 550 val because it has cable management Cables sleeved ! 550watts and the recommende wat for the xfx 770 + system is 550

thats why
what about this ?

Techsolo TP-600
Techsolo STP-650
LC Power Office LC600H-12 V2.31
Inter-Tech Energon EPS-650W
Corsair VS Series VS350 (afraid 350watt is not enough )
Techsolo TP-730
Techsolo TP-520 CI
Tagan 2 Force II Series TG800-U33

btw what is the difference between those 2 ?
MS-Tech MS-N550 VAL
and
MS-Tech Value Edition MS-N550-VAL-CM


December 26, 2012 1:48:49 PM

i discovered this about the powersupplys

TECHSOLO TP-600
does not have the pci-e cable

TECHSOLO STP 650
Does not have the PCI-E Cable
But The 140mm super silent fan is enhanced regarding temperature regulation.

LC Power OFfice LC600H
Does have the PCI-E Cable
i readed on amazon.de that someone told that its not a good powersupply for a gamging system ? any one guys agree ?



a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 2:37:28 PM

Unlike what you said, the MS-Tech MS-N550 VAL does not have cable management; you have to buy the more expensive MS-Tech Value Edition MS-N550-VAL-CM to get it.


Techsolo TP-600 - Passive PFC and only 24A on the 12v rails. Your Delta PSU with 25A on the 12v rails has better specs.
Techsolo STP-650 - Same specs as above.
LC Power Office LC600H-12 V2.31 - Better than the above as it has active PFC and 36A on the 12v rails.
Inter-Tech Energon EPS-650W - The specs look good, but it's hard to believe that it really has four 12v rails at 18A each.
Corsair VS Series VS350 (afraid 350watt is not enough ) - Manufactured by CWT, but no detailed specs.
Techsolo TP-730 - Better than the above Techsolo PSU's with 38A on the 12v rails. It probably is a 500W PSU.
Techsolo TP-520 CI - Active PFC, 80 Plus, 32A on the 12v rail. This is the best Techsolo PSU on your list.
Tagan 2 Force II Series TG800-U33 - A decent and powerful PSU with 80% plus efficiency, but not inexpensive either.

The number of watts isn't important. The 12v rails is far more important and that's why I can't recommend the MS-Tech.

Several of the above PSUs do not include cable management.
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 2:41:04 PM

vinootje said:
i discovered this about the powersupplys

TECHSOLO TP-600
does not have the pci-e cable

TECHSOLO STP 650
Does not have the PCI-E Cable
But The 140mm super silent fan is enhanced regarding temperature regulation.

LC Power OFfice LC600H
Does have the PCI-E Cable
i readed on amazon.de that someone told that its not a good powersupply for a gamging system ? any one guys agree ?

The LC Power OFfice LC600H has the following specs:

1 x 20+4 mainboard pin
1 x 4+4 pin mainboard 12V
1 x pci express 6 pin
1 x pci express 6+2 pin

6 x SATA
3 x PATA
2 x FDD

Where did you find that it doesn't have PCI express connectors?
December 26, 2012 2:56:22 PM

haha Thats a good one !

but whice one should be great to power my pc white the XFX 7770
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 3:32:44 PM

The following PSUs can power the XFX 7770 GPU:

- Your Delta PSU (I know that you want a newer PSU, but it's better than some of the PSUs that you are interested in)
- Tagan 2 Force II Series TG800-U33 (with active PFC, this is a good and powerful PSU for only € 39,75)
- Antec VP450
- Corsair Builder Series CX430
- OCZ CoreXStream 500W
- Techsolo TP-520 CI
- LC Power Office LC600H-12 V2.31
- Inter-Tech Energon EPS-650W
- Techsolo TP-730

The Tagan apparently is noisy under heavy load (transformer buzz), but it isn't an issue for you as your system won't exceed 30% of it's power rating. That PSU doesn't meet your cable management requirement, but most of the PSUs that you listed don't.
December 26, 2012 3:41:33 PM

oke so my delta psu will be fine. im going to try to run mysystem first if i have the xfx 7770 on my normal psu

but my delta psu dont have a pcie power calb.e but i can get one no problem !

the tagan 2 force has enough Watts but its make a transformer buzz. i dont know if i use more than 30% power rating

so those are liek crap ?

Techsolo TP-600
Techsolo STP-650
LC Power Office LC600H-12 V2.31
Inter-Tech Energon EPS-650W
Corsair VS Series VS350 (afraid 350watt is not enough )
Techsolo TP-730
Techsolo TP-520 CI

a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 3:51:36 PM

vinootje said:
oke so my delta psu will be fine. im going to try to run mysystem first if i have the xfx 7770 on my normal psu

but my delta psu dont have a pcie power calb.e but i can get one no problem !

the tagan 2 force has enough Watts but its make a transformer buzz. i dont know if i use more than 30% power rating Don't worry about it; you won't be running 2 very powerful and power hungry GPUs. Yous system will never draw more than 300W.

so those are liek crap ?

Techsolo TP-600 Yes
Techsolo STP-650 Yes
LC Power Office LC600H-12 V2.31 Acceptable
Inter-Tech Energon EPS-650W Acceptable
Corsair VS Series VS350 (afraid 350watt is not enough ) - Why would you replace a 350W PSU with another one?
Techsolo TP-730 I wouldn't recommed it
Techsolo TP-520 CI - Acceptable
December 26, 2012 4:05:28 PM

haha thanks bro !

now i read back about the corsair i laughed like 5 mins why i would replace my 350 psu delta for a 350 corsair XD !

so i have choice about the

LC Power Office LC600H-12 V2.31
Inter-Tech Energon EPS 650W
and the Techsolo TP 520 CI

the LC Power office is the cheapest one and has 600 watts the lowest
because i think i never use more than 300 watt because
my motherboard only supports 1 GPU and im not going to buy 2 graphics card becasue im jsut 14 years and my income is very low.

but if i should win for example a graphics card of the same chip serie i am going to buy a new motherboard + psu or im just selling the lowest graphics card

because why need 2 graphics card ?
for ultra settings but than if i have 2 gpu my amd x4 640 is not good enough etc

so just get an LC Power Office
and an xfx 7770

but wont my system fail ?
December 26, 2012 4:06:27 PM

for like years the delta psu is running for 3 years and 9 months
wil the LC Power office run that long either ?
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 4:36:36 PM

I can't answer that question. I've had PSUs that lasted until I ditched them and others that failed withing a few years. Normally a quality PSU should last at least 10 years, but some will fail early.
Quote:
the LC Power office is the cheapest one and has 600 watts the lowest
Again total wattage means nothing (it actually is a 450W unit); the 12v rails is what's important with modern systems. I know that I won't convince you, but for a few more euros (7 to be exact), you can get the much much better Antec Basiq VP-450P.

December 26, 2012 5:28:52 PM

okay

you can convice me but i need first little explanation

because imjust 14 and my income is very low and i want to be sure that the powersupply is cheap
last for couple years
and MOST IMPORTANT !
it can run my system whiteout failing !
December 26, 2012 5:41:22 PM

vinootje said:
i dont have the 7770 in my system xd i want to buy it but most people say its should run stock not overclocked. but

what if i jsut buy this powersupply http://azerty.nl/8-1073-491372/ms-tech-ms-n750-val-voed...



One of the best tips people give about PCs is; don't scamp out on PSUs. It is the most important part because if it burns, everything burns with it
December 26, 2012 5:45:02 PM

thats the reason im here ! because i need a powersupply that can run my system
does not FAIL !

and i think the choice is going to be LC Power Office
unless it is not save enough ?
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 6:05:44 PM

vinootje said:
okay

you can convice me but i need first little explanation

because imjust 14 and my income is very low and i want to be sure that the powersupply is cheap
last for couple years
and MOST IMPORTANT !
it can run my system whiteout failing !
I'd trust the Antec or the Tagan more than the LC Power Office, but no matter what we tell you, you've decided on the LC and you won't change your mind. Good luck!
December 26, 2012 6:52:57 PM

i will chance my mind definitly !
but
this is not your fault but

im confused
i asked a friend of me about it Because he works in the Computer industial
and he told get the powersupply white the highers watts.
i told hem what did you learned a 750watt powersupply does not have to be better than a corsair 500 watt powersupply he told definitly the 750w is better trust me

im afraid if choice for the highest watt that my system will fail

Thats why i am here
and we are here to lean right ?

and i did say im going for the LC because you told it is accaptable.
but yea

if you say the Tagan 800 watts i much better
and that will definitly not fail and will work for years than i buy that
December 26, 2012 7:14:05 PM

sorry ghislaing
you realy convince me and
im going for the tagan 2 force II series TG 800

why ?
because 800 Watts
You recommend it
it is double cooler 2 fans
it was in 2008-2009 very expensive so i think because good quality
OVP (Over Voltage Protection) and OCP (Over Current Protection)
so will it protect my system if it fails will it destroy my entire system ?
i think im just goign to spend money for the tagan 2

because you recommand it !
and it was very expensive so it should be good quality
if you recommand it and you will sure it wont fail
i am definitly going to buy that one !
December 26, 2012 7:16:54 PM

also sorry for the doublepost !

also why i want the tagan 2 force II series

• Less heat and less noise due to 80% efficiency. This saves electricity and making it an economical
and ecological solution.

Perfect cooling and silence solution due to the 8cm push-pull fans together with the super-big heat sink
inside and the bottom mesh cover design.

Thermal fan control TSCT (Tagan Silence Control Technology) automatically adjusts fan speed to lowest noise
(under 30dBA at max. load) with perfect cooling

i think you will recommand this highly

and i think this is the best ATX powersupply you can get for under 40 euro

am i right or not ?
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 7:49:11 PM

I recommend the Tagan based on it's good specs and low price, but it isn't a very high quality PSU like the Seasonic SS-760XP that costs € 178.

You can read a review the 600W Tagan 2 Force II at http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r... Note that the review dates back to 2007. The combined 12v rails on the 800W version is 64A. That exceeds your requirements by a wide margin.
December 26, 2012 7:58:47 PM

oke what do you think about
Antec High Current Gamer HCG-400
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 26, 2012 8:17:25 PM

The HCG-400 is built by Seasonic. I have one in a system and it works fine (I bought it because it met my requirements and it's inexpensive). Note that the 12v rail is only 30A, but that exceeds your requirements. It's a good buy for the price.
December 27, 2012 9:00:30 AM

oke ghislainG

The Antec High Current Gamer HCG-400 is now for 28% off !
so its in my budget but im afraid 400 watt is not enough ?

will it deliver 400 Watts ?
and will it be enough ?

i saw some problems on the internet about the noise

you need to replace the fan of it
but will it power my system for years ?
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 27, 2012 12:58:33 PM

As with most quality PSUs, it could deliver more than it's rating. Why are you so worried? I checked a few reviews of your video card using more powerful systems than yours and the total system draw always is less than 300 watts peak from the wall outlet (approximately 250W from the PSU). Your system without the video card draws 175W at peak and the video card draws 77W for a total of 252W. That's why I said that your 350W PSU should be fine as you'll rarely have both the CPU and GPU 100% busy.
December 27, 2012 1:34:12 PM

vinootje said:
okay

you can convice me but i need first little explanation

because imjust 14 and my income is very low and i want to be sure that the powersupply is cheap
last for couple years
and MOST IMPORTANT !
it can run my system whiteout failing !


I understand you want to save money, but really this is the one component you don't want to be cheap on. Better to save up some extra cash and get a decent one, then get a bad one and trust expensive components on it.
December 27, 2012 6:49:09 PM

thats true !

but wont the Antec High Current Gamer HCG-400 do its job

is recommande for gaming its expensive normal price almost 53 euro and you get 400 watts for it
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 27, 2012 11:17:05 PM

Just buy it and be done with it. It's a very good PSU built by Seasonic and your system will be well protected.
December 28, 2012 2:24:51 PM

oke !

i am goign to get the best road to rome and my choice is

im just going to buy an xfx 4850 second hand for a replacement for my system
on 15 march is my birthday i hope i get enough money for a quality powersupply and a xfx 7770 or maybe better !

just now im goign to try to get the xfx ati 4850 its not that bad and its betterthan my club 3d hd 4350

but will my powersupply the delta one power my system and the xfx ati 4850
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 28, 2012 2:44:53 PM

The 4850 draws 30W more than the 7770 and it's slower. You were scared to run a 7770 with your Delta PSU and now you want to use it for a 4850? I doubt your PSU can deliver enough power on the 12v rails for a 4850. It will probably power off when the 12v rails get overloaded.

Edit: It may work, but be prepared to buy a new PSU.
December 28, 2012 2:51:34 PM

oke so the 4850 draws more power ? what if

i buy the Antec High Current Gamer HCG-400
and the
xfx 4850

and use the 4850 for like 3 months and that on my birthday buy an xfx 7770

just hte 4850 forreplacement
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 28, 2012 3:05:14 PM

That will work fine.
December 28, 2012 3:35:24 PM

oke but its not the xfx 4850 1gb but the 512mb

will my powersupply run it ? for 3m moths
December 28, 2012 4:45:26 PM

naah im not goign to get the xfx 4850 if i buy it second hand for 20 euro
i can better get little bit more to get the xfx 7770 and psu
December 28, 2012 4:47:49 PM

i got now 129 euro i got in fact enough ! but i want to be sure 110% sure of this

The Antec HCG-400 runs my system for atleast 3-4 years
That the antec HCG-400 wont fial in 3-4 years (i wont overclock)
that the XFX 7770 double D will be enough fort 2-3 years for gamig to get real graphics


i just want to be sure the antec powers my system well for 3-4 years and its not a bad choice

i know the antec is good it delivers 30 amps on the 12 volt rial thats alot

so yea wont it fail in year
a c 110 ) Power supply
December 28, 2012 5:32:39 PM

The Antec should be fine for several years as there's nothing mechanical in a PSU and it will be under warranty for 3 years. Antec can't guarantee that it won't fail; however if it doesn't fail within a few months, then it probably won't fail for a very long time.

The 7770 will be enough until you buy more demanding games or a higher resolution monitor and then you'll need a new system with a more powerful CPU, etc. We can't tell you that a GPU will meet your requirements for the next few years as we don't know what the requirements will be. All you can do is buy what you can afford now. If you want a solution that will definitely meet your requiremnts for the next 3 years, then increase your budget significantly.
December 28, 2012 6:26:45 PM

oke what i want is that i can game for atleas 1 and a half year on realistich resolutiond

the only games what i want to play now what i cant is

euro truck simuator 2012
soon Gta 5
trackmania nations Forever :) 
need for speed shift 2

i want to play the games on realistick settings whiteout lagg.

somebody told me i dont need Anti analysing that high because im using 1920x1080 and that should run fine

so yea

after i got the xfx 7770 i thinking of buying another 4gb ddr3 1600MHz
but will that increas my gamign performance dramaticly ?

and what will inprome Fps ? or is 4 gb jsut fine

i want to know what will change if i chance from 4 gb to 8
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