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August 9, 2012 7:42:34 PM

Hi all, been doing my research and would like some help finishing this build plan for my new personal rig.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next week hopefully

Budget Range: Prefer sub-£800, but budget is flexible.

System Usage from Most to Least Important:Illustration, graphic design and some 3d modelling work. I'd be looking to split the usage 50/50 between work and gaming to the best standard possible for my budget.

Are you buying a monitor: Not yet (1080p in a few months)

Parts to Upgrade: All-new build

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Any UK site at all. Cheaper the parts can be found, the better.

Location: Glasgow, UK.

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU

Overclocking: Yes. I'm looking to OC the i5 3570k to 4.2Ghz and possibly up the RAM a bit.

SLI or Crossfire: In a couple of months, SLI. Not part of this budget.

Your Monitor Resolution: Currently 1441*900 left (the one I'll upgrade soon) and 1680*1050 right.

Additional Comments: I've been researching for a couple of weeks now and I'm pretty sold on my case, CPU and Mobo choices. I just need some advice on my RAM and PSU. If any of it seems overkill atm, it's because I've been aiming at the old cliché future proofing and in general I plan on maintaining this with upgrades for the foreseeable.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: 5 years since last build. Time was right.

Parts list so far: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/ea9Y

Case: CM Storm Trooper
(Possibly Aerocool X-Predator Evil Black based purely on aesthetics. Same price. If anyone can argue these two against each other in terms of cooling performance and general functionality I'm all ears)

CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz

CPU coolerCooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

Mobo Asrock Z77 Extreme6 (Was Extreme4, but found a great price on the 6. The "just slightly smaller than ATX" size of the E4 also threw me a little...just seems strange. Then again if I'm being ridiculous and I'm really better off with the E4, let me know)

HDD for storage (I work with a lot of large files): Seagate 2TB Barracuda Internal Hard Drive

SSD : OCZ 120GB Agility 3

GPU - Not in this Budget but I'll hopefully run SLI on two 570s or something down the line. Will see what happens with the price point on the new card on the 16th.

Optical drive will be whatever DVD RW I can pick up sub-£15. Easy enough.

I've narrowed RAM down to:-
G.Skill 8GB RipjawsX
or
Corsair 16GB Vengeance

I'm aware there are bound to be the usual "you don't need more than 8GB" but as well as the aforementioned memory intensive Adobe/3d use I would like to put enough in here just now while the cash is spare that I don't have to worry about it for a while.

For the PSU I'm completely open to suggestions. I'm aware the 80+ rated PSUs are much more efficient so I didn't want to just throw an 850W in there for the hell of it, but I also don't want to underpower this thing, given that I plan to SLI in the future and I'll be OCing. I'd assume 80+ gold is better than 80+ bronze, obviously...but is it worth the price hike?

Thanks again. Sorry for the wall of text! Looking forward to hearing your suggestions.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 9, 2012 10:26:47 PM

I don't think that the width of the board is a particularly valid criteria for choosing a motherboard. If the Extreme6 has extra features/performance/reliability that a cheaper board doesn't have, that you want/need, then it is a valid choice.

For £10 more expensive I think this is well worth it due to superior performance and reliability:
Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB - Desktop kit (£80 @ Amazon/Ebuyer/Dabs)
http://skinflint.co.uk/682607
There is also a basic kit which is ~£75.

To run two cards of the power consumption GTX 570s I'd suggest a good ~750W PSU.

This is the cheapest thing you'll be able to use:
OCZ ZS Series 750W (£60 @ Dabs)
http://skinflint.co.uk/631080

Next step up in quality:
Antec Truepower New TPN-750 (£70 @ Scan)
http://skinflint.co.uk/407704

Cheapest 80 Plus Gold certified, ~700W unit I'd recommend:
Be Quiet Straight Power E9 700W (£85 @ Aria)
http://skinflint.co.uk/677395

NZXT Hale90 650W (£93 @ Scan)
http://skinflint.co.uk/557338

Corsair HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) (£100 @ Dabs / £105 @ Scan)
http://skinflint.co.uk/429175

Silverstone Strider Plus 750W (£101 @ Scan)
http://skinflint.co.uk/490782

Be Quiet Dark Power Pro P10 650W (£105 @ Aria)
http://skinflint.co.uk/790425
August 9, 2012 11:12:23 PM

Wow, more to choose from lol :) 

If you don't mind me asking , what makes that SSD better performance-wise? Not that the £10 increase is an issue - I'd just like to learn what makes it a better SSD as, from the relative layman's glance, the OCZ wins on read/write speeds. What am I missing?

Regarding the PSU: Is it worth going the extra few quid and picking up The Corsair TX 850W V2? ( http://www.ebuyer.com/257234-corsair-tx-850w-v2-psu-80p... )

If not, running up to a PSU budget of, say, 110, what's the absolute best one you'd suggest I buy?

Also, any suggestion on the RAM choice? I'm thinking probably stick with 8GB just now and add more one month when I've got a spare £40 knocking about. I'm leaning towards the RipjawsX 8GB Kit, but I've also been shown the Vengeance Low Profile stuff. Anyone got experience with them? Reviews I've found and google results for one VS the other seem pretty inconclusive.

Thanks again for the input.
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August 10, 2012 11:34:34 AM

Also if anyone has any input on the rest of the build in case I've screwed anything up that'd be great. Looking to order this weekend so I can build at the end of next week.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 11, 2012 12:34:27 AM

CapnMatt said:
Wow, more to choose from lol :) 

If you don't mind me asking , what makes that SSD better performance-wise? Not that the £10 increase is an issue - I'd just like to learn what makes it a better SSD as, from the relative layman's glance, the OCZ wins on read/write speeds. What am I missing?

Regarding the PSU: Is it worth going the extra few quid and picking up The Corsair TX 850W V2? ( http://www.ebuyer.com/257234-corsair-tx-850w-v2-psu-80p... )

If not, running up to a PSU budget of, say, 110, what's the absolute best one you'd suggest I buy?

Also, any suggestion on the RAM choice? I'm thinking probably stick with 8GB just now and add more one month when I've got a spare £40 knocking about. I'm leaning towards the RipjawsX 8GB Kit, but I've also been shown the Vengeance Low Profile stuff. Anyone got experience with them? Reviews I've found and google results for one VS the other seem pretty inconclusive.

Thanks again for the input.

I think that the extra reliability of the Samsung drive would be worth even a decrease in performance. In reality you would probably have difficulty telling the difference between them during actual use.
But here is a direct comparison between them:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/371?vs=533

Something else to note about SSD performance is the Random read/write performance, in the case of the Agility 4 120GB and Samsung SSD 830 128GB:
(Read/Write) 50K IOPS, 85K IOPS vs 80K IOPS, 30K IOPS. Usually with SSDs I think that read performance should be prioritised unless you do a lot of writing to the drive.

The Corsair TX850 V2 is definitely not worth £110. This is because you can get it cheaper elsewhere:
(£90 @ Dabs, £95 @ Aria/Scan)
http://skinflint.co.uk/616457
Secondly the XFX Pro 850W Core Edition is internally exactly the same and is cheaper again:
(£82 @ Scan, £83 @ CCL Online, £90 @ Ebuyer)
http://skinflint.co.uk/576817

The absolute best IMO @ £110 is the NZXT Hale90 750W:
http://skinflint.co.uk/557340
This is because voltage regulation and ripple and noise suppression are very good indeed, efficiency is very high, it's modular, it's got long cables and it's very quiet.

The Be Quiet Dark Power Pro P10 series probably matches the performance of the NZXT Hale90 series, but is streets ahead of almost all competitors when it comes to functionality as there is plenty of flexibility/options etc. Plus they have fan connectors which can control case fan speeds.

There shouldn't be any difference in performance between sticks of memory with the same specs. So either price or reliability should be the deciding factor IMO.
I read a news story on Kitguru a few weeks/months ago about how Corsair have recently not been up to scratch in this department, altho I think if you did buy their RAM you'd have to be unlucky to experience problems.
So out of the two of them G.Skill probably wins in the reliability department.

Crucial are a pretty good choice when it comes to reliability:
Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CAS9 1.5V BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00CEU (£36 @ Dabs/Amazon/Ebuyer)
http://skinflint.co.uk/723497
August 11, 2012 10:47:33 AM

Silvune said:
I think that the extra reliability of the Samsung drive would be worth even a decrease in performance. In reality you would probably have difficulty telling the difference between them during actual use.
But here is a direct comparison between them:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/371?vs=533

Something else to note about SSD performance is the Random read/write performance, in the case of the Agility 4 120GB and Samsung SSD 830 128GB:
(Read/Write) 50K IOPS, 85K IOPS vs 80K IOPS, 30K IOPS. Usually with SSDs I think that read performance should be prioritised unless you do a lot of writing to the drive.

The Corsair TX850 V2 is definitely not worth £110. This is because you can get it cheaper elsewhere:
(£90 @ Dabs, £95 @ Aria/Scan)
http://skinflint.co.uk/616457
Secondly the XFX Pro 850W Core Edition is internally exactly the same and is cheaper again:
(£82 @ Scan, £83 @ CCL Online, £90 @ Ebuyer)
http://skinflint.co.uk/576817

The absolute best IMO @ £110 is the NZXT Hale90 750W:
http://skinflint.co.uk/557340
This is because voltage regulation and ripple and noise suppression are very good indeed, efficiency is very high, it's modular, it's got long cables and it's very quiet.

The Be Quiet Dark Power Pro P10 series probably matches the performance of the NZXT Hale90 series, but is streets ahead of almost all competitors when it comes to functionality as there is plenty of flexibility/options etc. Plus they have fan connectors which can control case fan speeds.

There shouldn't be any difference in performance between sticks of memory with the same specs. So either price or reliability should be the deciding factor IMO.
I read a news story on Kitguru a few weeks/months ago about how Corsair have recently not been up to scratch in this department, altho I think if you did buy their RAM you'd have to be unlucky to experience problems.
So out of the two of them G.Skill probably wins in the reliability department.

Crucial are a pretty good choice when it comes to reliability:
Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CAS9 1.5V BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00CEU (£36 @ Dabs/Amazon/Ebuyer)
http://skinflint.co.uk/723497


That's absolutely perfect, exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you for the advice! Going to try and order up today (a lot of it will probably be ebuyer for the free delivery but I'll shop around).

Cheers again
Matt
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