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August 9, 2012 11:59:25 PM

Hello, thanks for visiting my thread. i am looking for a build for ~$1600 including monitor/mouse/keyboard/speakers etc. its going to be mostly used for gaming. only preference i have is for the gpu to be a gtx 670 and the option to run sli later on the mobo and psu. All suggestion appreciated!
Thank you!

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August 10, 2012 12:16:03 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.74 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($103.99 @ Best Buy)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($69.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" Monitor ($154.59 @ B&H)
Total: $1449.21
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-09 20:15 EDT-0400)

This build is about $1500. It includes an i5, 8GB RAM, a 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD, a GTX 670, and a Blu-Ray Drive. It also has one of those IPS monitors. You can add your own mouse/keyboard/speakers.
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August 10, 2012 12:30:13 AM

will the 650watt handle sli gtx 670s? even if the i5 were to be slightly overclocked. also will their be any clearance issues with the ram because i know that that cooler is huge. will their be enough room in the case?
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August 10, 2012 12:31:47 AM

Consider also 2X 240GB SSDs in RAID 0. That gives you a 480GB C drive which is big enough to actually use. Newegg has Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/240G 2.5" 240GB SATA III for $200 (was $170 a few days ago, will be lower again). By using two drives you really spread out the wear and the performance raid 0 should be crazy. One of these drives boots windows fast enough the windows7 icon can't finish forming in the startup animation. If you need more storage later you can add an external eSata or throw another drive in your case.

Nice build above. Consider WD black, not blue drive. Consider 24" monitor vs. 21.5. Razor Deathaddr is an OK mouse, the name is so good though how could you turn it down -- order left hand or right hand model as appropriate.

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August 10, 2012 12:40:16 AM

pattt said:
will the 650watt handle sli gtx 670s? even if the i5 were to be slightly overclocked. also will their be any clearance issues with the ram because i know that that cooler is huge. will their be enough room in the case?


Not really, for GTX 670 sli the recomended wattage is 700w+ here are my recomendation, this build is a bit better than fpoon's build

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.86 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($47.52 @ B&H)
Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1431.27

If you want to overclock past 4.6Ghz then i recomend you the Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme or Zalman's CNPS12X, the Noctua DH-N14 is simply waay too ugly and performs on pair with the Zalman CNPS12x.

You can also switch the cases, there are multiple editions of the Phantom 410, a few good cases for almost the same price are:

NZXT's Phantom (non 410)
NZXT's Switech 810 <--- by far, the best.
Coolermaster's HAF-XM
Corsair 500r
BitFenix Colossus
BitFenix Colossus Venom Edition
NZXT Whisper <---- Very quiet and classy
Fractal Design Define R3 Arctic White

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August 10, 2012 1:07:42 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($407.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VH236H 23.0" Monitor ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Logitech G500 Wired Laser Mouse ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1558.85
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-09 21:08 EDT-0400)
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August 10, 2012 1:11:07 AM

- In my experience as a gamer, you're going to want at least 240GB of SSD C-drive. Can you get by with 128 by juggling games? Sure, but you really shouldn't be juggling off a $1500 build. Whether you go 2x128 or 1x240-256 is up to you, but I'd avoid the complexity of RAID and go 1x256.

- Personally I have always sized my PSUs and mobos for SLI/Xfire. But since I've always bought vidcards in the 670/680 class, history shows I've never once gone SLI/Xfire. By the time I needed/wanted it, new faster cooler quieter cards were announced, and I simply bought one of those rather than another "old" card.

You will certainly NEVER need SLI/Xfire with the recommended monitors during the life of this build, and you will often be idling a larger psu at a lower percentage of its rated power and likely losing efficiency.

- Cases are often a matter of taste. However, I've come to prefer positive pressure cases that use large, slow fans with removable filters on all intakes. Positive pressure + large fans means a virtually dust free case that is almost always quieter and at least as cool as cases using 120mm fans. And if they aren't, any marginal loss of cooling is more than offset for me by the near complete absence of dust.
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August 10, 2012 1:12:22 AM

bigcyco1 said:

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($407.99 @ Newegg)


I dont know why so many people like the GTX 670 FTW...its esentially a overclocked Reference GTX 670, i think they EVGA is using the FTW acronym to replace the "Superclocked" edition cards.

IMO, either Gigabytes X3 GTX 670 or Asus DC II GTX 670 are better choices because they are quieter, run cooler and thanks to that have a bit more overclocking potential.... FYI i am not saying the GTX 670 FTW is bad.
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August 10, 2012 1:18:39 AM

Twoboxer said:
- In my experience as a gamer, you're going to want at least 240GB of SSD C-drive. Can you get by with 128 by juggling games? Sure, but you really shouldn't be juggling off a $1500 build. Whether you go 2x128 or 1x240-256 is up to you, but I'd avoid the complexity of RAID and go 1x256.

- Personally I have always sized my PSUs and mobos for SLI/Xfire. But since I've always bought vidcards in the 670/680 class, history shows I've never once gone SLI/Xfire. By the time I needed/wanted it, new faster cooler quieter cards were announced, and I simply bought one of those rather than another "old" card.

You will certainly NEVER need SLI/Xfire with the recommended monitors during the life of this build, and you will often be idling a larger psu at a lower percentage of its rated power and likely losing efficiency.

- Cases are often a matter of taste. However, I've come to prefer positive pressure cases that use large, slow fans with removable filters on all intakes. Positive pressure + large fans means a virtually dust free case that is almost always quieter and at least as cool as cases using 120mm fans. And if they aren't, any marginal loss of cooling is more than offset for me by the near complete absence of dust.
How would you fit one 256 SSD or two 128GB SSD's and a sli/cf mobo and a 670 then case, hd, plus monitor, keyboard, mouse,ram,elect.into this build on his budget?
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August 10, 2012 1:23:19 AM

- In my experience as a gamer, you're going to want at least 240GB of SSD C-drive. Can you get by with 128 by juggling games? Sure, but you really shouldn't be juggling off a $1500 build. Whether you go 2x128 or 1x240-256 is up to you, but I'd avoid the complexity of RAID and go 1x256.[/quote said:


IMO, it all depends on the person who has it, i have a Muskin Chronos 480GB SSD and i've only used about 100GB

said:
- Personally I have always sized my PSUs and mobos for SLI/Xfire. But since I've always bought vidcards in the 670/680 class, history shows I've never once gone SLI/Xfire. By the time I needed/wanted it, new faster cooler quieter cards were announced, and I simply bought one of those rather than another "old" card.
You will certainly NEVER need SLI/Xfire with the recommended monitors during the life of this build, and you will often be idling a larger psu at a lower percentage of its rated power and likely losing efficiency.]- In my experience as a gamer, you're going to want at least 240GB of SSD C-drive. Can you get by with 128 by juggling games? Sure, but you really shouldn't be juggling off a $1500 build. Whether you go 2x128 or 1x240-256 is up to you, but I'd avoid the complexity of RAID and go 1x256.

IMO, it all depends on the person who has it, i have a Muskin Chronos 480GB SSD and i've only used about 100GB

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- Personally I have always sized my PSUs and mobos for SLI/Xfire. But since I've always bought vidcards in the 670/680 class, history shows I've never once gone SLI/Xfire. By the time I needed/wanted it, new faster cooler quieter cards were announced, and I simply bought one of those rather than another "old" card.
You will certainly NEVER need SLI/Xfire with the recommended monitors during the life of this build, and you will often be idling a larger psu at a lower percentage of its rated power and likely losing efficiency.
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I dont agree with this, lets say that someone has a nice LGA1366 PC with a i7 950 and a GTX 480, the wisest upgrade to do will be getting a second GTX 480 (sells for ~220$ on newegg) and it will be able to play BF3 with the highest posible settings @1080p, and the same thing is going to happen to the GTX 670/680 (eventually) they will outdated a single card will not be enough to game @1080p (i dont think this will happen until the PS4/X720 get released)

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August 10, 2012 1:24:15 AM

pattt said:
ok here is the build i have. its without a mouse because ill get $40 in gift cards to newegg so ill put that towards a mouse.

link to cart..to tired to type all up...
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Sub...



Hmmm...dude, you cant just send us the link of your shopping cart, you need to add those items to a wishlist, make it public and then send it to us...anyways, DO NOT buy from newegg only, use this site to get even better deals from multiple stores (including newegg) http://www.pcpartpicker.com/
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August 10, 2012 1:29:33 AM

aqualipt said:
I dont know why so many people like the GTX 670 FTW...its esentially a overclocked Reference GTX 670, i think they EVGA is using the FTW acronym to replace the "Superclocked" edition cards.

IMO, either Gigabytes X3 GTX 670 or Asus DC II GTX 670 are better choices because they are quieter, run cooler and thanks to that have a bit more overclocking potential.... FYI i am not saying the GTX 670 FTW is bad.
Asus TOP MSI PE are the way to go the Gigabyte i just don't recommend because i have not had good luck with their cards in the past so i don't even consider them not saying it's a bad card clearly according to reviews it's supposedly quite impressive ;) 
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August 10, 2012 1:32:54 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Asus TOP MSI PE are the way to go the Gigabyte i just don't recommend because i have not had good luck with their cards in the past so i don't even consider them not saying it's a bad card clearly according to reviews it's supposedly quite impressive ;) 


Gigabyte cards are awesome, i had a build with dual GTX 460 (Gigabyte windforce edition) in sli a couple of years back with a i5 750 and that PC was SUPER quiet, not to mention that at that time it maxed out every game @1080p
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August 10, 2012 1:52:19 AM

aqualipt said:
Gigabyte cards are awesome, i had a build with dual GTX 460 (Gigabyte windforce edition) in sli a couple of years back with a i5 750 and that PC was SUPER quiet, not to mention that at that time it maxed out every game @1080p
Yeah, like i said i have had bad luck with them is why i don't recommend them i had a few of their cards die on me so i don't mess with them i have learn my lesson :lol: 
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August 10, 2012 3:44:45 AM

@ the OP. As good as some of the previous builds on this thread are...forget them. This is the build. 240GB SSD (SF Toggle NAND controller), XFX (Seasonic OEM) Silver rated modular 750w psu, factory over clocked GTX 670, full HD LED HDMI monitor, Windows 7, etc...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $166.98 save: $18.00 - $10.00 Mail In Rebates FREE SHIPPING
Corsair Carbide Series 400R Graphite grey and black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Gaming Case
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5002AALX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PRO750W-Semi-Modular-80Plus-S... $111.71 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | $10.00 Mail In Rebates | Price after rebate: $101.71
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750 Watt Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $344.98 save: $25.00 - $20.00 Mail In Rebates FREE SHIPPING
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=ox_sc_a... $32.39 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $43.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAO

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-AD-7280S-0B-Internal-Drive-B... $17.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Sony AD-7280S-0B 24x SATA Internal DVD+/-RW Drive (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006EKJ8UI/ref=s9_hps_... $169.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SanDisk Extreme SSD 240 GB SATA 6.0 Gb-s 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SDSSDX-240G-G25

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $399.99 FREE SHIPPING
GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.63 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dell-PRR51/19476106?ci_src=14... $139.99 Free site to store shipping
Dell ST2220L 21.5" Widescreen Flat Panel LED Full HD 1920x1080 HDMI 5ms Monitor

Total: $1,518.64 *includes shipping | $1,478.64 after mail in rebates


http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Xornet-Gaming-SGM-2... $26.98 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master CM Storm Xornet Gaming Mouse (SGM-2001-BLON1)

or...

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Optical-Gaming-High-Prec... $35.67 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Logitech G400 Optical Gaming Mouse with High-Precision 3600 DPI Optical Engine (910-002277)



http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-JQD-00001-SideWinder-X4... $47.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Microsoft SideWinder X4 Keyboard

or...

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-002232-Gaming-Keyboa... $56.19 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Logitech G110 Gaming Keyboard



http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Beach-Force-Gaming-Headset... $32.24 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Turtle Beach Ear Force Z11 Gaming Headset

or...

http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-GameCom-380-Stereo-He... $38.61 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Plantronics GameCom 380 Stereo PC Gaming Headset

or...

http://www.amazon.com/Global-Marketing-Partners-61003SS... $37.85 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SteelSeries 4H Headset (Black)



http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Speaker-System-Z323-Subw... $59.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Logitech Speaker System Z323 with Subwoofer


http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7... <----- another look at that Asus board along with a link to the latest bios

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c... <----- another look at that monitor (you can also order it from here for $140 + free shipping)

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <------ another look at that Corsair case
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August 10, 2012 3:55:32 AM

aqualipt said:
21.5"?? thats too small for gaming.

Really? What is the proper size for a gaming monitor so I can get rid of my 21.5" monitor and get the correct one for gaming.

btw 21.5" = 22"
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August 10, 2012 3:56:33 AM

Why_Me said:
Really? What is the proper size of a gaming monitor so I can get rid of my 21.5" monitor and get the proper size one for gaming.


23" at least and thats still kind of small.

24" is decent.

27" is the perfect size if you use it from the adecuate distance, back at home i have 3 Asus VG278H and they have the perfect size, not too big and not too small.
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August 10, 2012 4:11:22 AM

aqualipt said:
23" at least and thats still kind of small.

24" is decent.

27" is the perfect size if you use it from the adecuate distance, back at home i have 3 Asus VG278H and they have the perfect size, not too big and not too small.

http://www.amazon.com/ML228H-21-5-Inch-Ultra-Thin-Full-... <------ This is what I use for gaming. I picked it up about a year ago back when it was $130 and free shipping. I don't have a lot of desk space and it works like a champ. No diluted pixelation and no having to move my head back and forth to cover the map. I only play FPS games so I don't know if that makes a difference but I started gaming when 13" - 15" CRT's were the norm.
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August 10, 2012 4:13:45 AM

fpoon, aqualipt, and bigcyco1's builds are all roughly the same. I would not go with Corsair Vengeance ram due to the high profile. The CM Hyper 212 EVO is probably all you need for a "slight overclock". All decent motherboards. I'd probably go Gigabyte or ASUS for the budget, but really any of the 3 listed are good. For HDD I would go with Western Digital or Samsung. SSD wise Samsung 830 or Vertex 4 are both winners. I think the 830 is like $90 now so you could get 2 for fairly cheap. The cases listed are good. For your budget something around $100 would be good. I would find a few on newegg you like and then a quick google search to view features and performance for cooling and noise level. Then just pick what you think is best. For PSUs, you need a min of 650w for SLI 670, so Corsair TX 650, XFX 650, or any other psu made by Seasonic. http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

GPU - EVGA has 5yrs warranty(the most out of the companies) and like the best customer service. The EVGA 670 FTW has the 2nd highest clocks and vRAM is overclocked too. Thats why it is so popular. Definitely one of the fastest 670s. Gigabyte Windforce has a great cooler, along with ASUS DirectTop CU II. Honestly, between EVGA, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, you really cant go wrong and most overclocked 670s will roughly put you in the same ballpark fps-wise. If you are doing SLI, the ASUS DirectTop CU II is too big(3 slot).

Really arguing over gaming monitor size??? 22in works just fine and probably the norm if not on the higher end of the norm...you are just use to 27in...

FYI bigcyco1, Twoboxer never mentioned 2 240/256gb SSDs, that was tsnor...
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August 10, 2012 4:16:42 AM

Why_Me said:
http://www.amazon.com/ML228H-21-5-Inch-Ultra-Thin-Full-... <------ This is what I use for gaming. I picked it up about a year ago back when it was $130 and free shipping. I don't have a lot of desk space and it works like a champ. No diluted pixelation and no having to move my head back and forth to cover the map. I only play FPS games so I don't know if that makes a difference but I started gaming when 13" - 15" CRT's were the norm.



Well, i have a lot of unused space in my desk and play mostly BF3 and MW3 and sometimes 2033 but i've never had to move my back a forth to cover the map :lol: 

i started to game a few years back when the first i7 was released but i also renember those ugly and big CRTs monitors...btw i wish someone will make them with 1080p resolution...aperantly CRT monitors have better contrast,response time and color quality than any LCD monitor
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August 10, 2012 4:22:25 AM

aqualipt said:
Well, i have a lot of unused space in my desk and play mostly BF3 and MW3 and sometimes 2033 but i've never had to move my back a forth to cover the map :lol: 

i started to game a few years back when the first i7 was released but i also renember those ugly and big CRTs monitors...btw i wish someone will make them with 1080p resolution...aperantly CRT monitors have better contrast,response time and color quality than any LCD monitor

When the flat panel LCD's first came out there was a noticeable difference between the picture on the CRT's and the LCD's. The CRT's were a lot crisper but nowadays ...especially with the LED back lit it's hard to tell the difference. That and it's a relief not to have 2+ ft. of rock heavy monitor sticking out the back. I don't miss those old CRT's one bit now. They weighed more than a boat anchor. :lol: 
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August 10, 2012 4:23:14 AM

Delirious788 said:
you need a min of 650w for SLI 670


Excuse me but you are wrong. 700w+ is the recomended wattage for a GTX 670 sli with a i5 3570k overclocked to about ~4.6Ghz.

the total power consumption is about 630w but its bad to have a PSU working at its maximun level for a prolonged amount of time, besides... a quality 700w+ PSU is very cheap this days.
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August 10, 2012 4:24:08 AM

Why_Me said:
When the flat panel LCD's first came out there was a noticeable difference between the picture on the CRT's and the LCD's. The CRT's were a lot crisper but nowadays with ...especially with the LED back lit it's hard to tell the difference. That and it's a relief not to have 2+ ft. of rock heavy monitor sticking out the back. I don't miss those old CRT's one bit now. They weighed more than a boat anchor. :lol: 


:lol:  they do weight a ton, i have an old 40" CRT in my basement and i mostly use it to place stuff on it :lol: 
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August 10, 2012 5:36:58 AM

CRTs have no input lag, making them perfect for gaming. I'd get one if I had enough room on my desk.
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August 10, 2012 1:26:23 PM

oks this is the build i have without a mouse because ill get $40 in gift cards to newegg so ill put that towards a mouse. I have to still look for cheaper prices but i just want to make sure that the components are good.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) = $229.99
CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO = $34.99
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LK = $149.99
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series = $45.99
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1tb 6.0 gb/s 3.5" = $109.99
SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5" 128gb = $99.99
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB = $399.99
Case: NZXT Phantom Finish w/Orange Trim = $119.99
Power Supply: Rosewill Xtreme Series RX850-S-B 850W = $104.99
Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc 24X DVD Burner = $17.99
Monitor: ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P = $169.99
Operating System:Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM = $99.99
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard = $47.99

Price= $ 1606.51 with rebates and then another $40 in gift cards to new egg...
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August 10, 2012 3:25:18 PM

pattt said:
oks this is the build i have without a mouse because ill get $40 in gift cards to newegg so ill put that towards a mouse. I have to still look for cheaper prices but i just want to make sure that the components are good.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) = $229.99
CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO = $34.99
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LK = $149.99
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series = $45.99
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1tb 6.0 gb/s 3.5" = $109.99
SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5" 128gb = $99.99
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB = $399.99
Case: NZXT Phantom Finish w/Orange Trim = $119.99
Power Supply: Rosewill Xtreme Series RX850-S-B 850W = $104.99
Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc 24X DVD Burner = $17.99
Monitor: ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P = $169.99
Operating System:Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM = $99.99
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard = $47.99

Price= $ 1606.51 with rebates and then another $40 in gift cards to new egg...



*Change the motherboard to Asus Extrme 4 or Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H, they are better according to Tom's

*There is no point in getting a noisy HDD when you've got a SSD, buy a Samsung SpinPoint F3 instead of Caviar Black

*EVGA uses reference cooling for their GPUs so switch it to a Gigabyte GV-N670WF2-2GD, Gigabyte GV-N670OC-2GD or Asus GTX670-DC2-2GD5

*Do NOT buy roselwill's PSUs, they have a high failure rate and you do not need 850w, the PSU i linked (this one) is a lot better and has higher manufactuiring quality (PC Power & Cooling manufactures a lot of Cosair's and XFX's PSUs)

Edit: this psu ---> http://pcpartpicker.com/part/pc-power--cooling-power-su... is a lot better than the one you picked and the one i recomended, if you have the extra cash buy it.

*Read your messages. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum1.php?config=tom... i sent you something that you will find very usefull
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August 10, 2012 5:49:53 PM

pattt said:
oks this is the build i have without a mouse because ill get $40 in gift cards to newegg so ill put that towards a mouse. I have to still look for cheaper prices but i just want to make sure that the components are good.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) = $229.99
CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO = $34.99
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LK = $149.99
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series = $45.99
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1tb 6.0 gb/s 3.5" = $109.99
SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5" 128gb = $99.99
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB = $399.99
Case: NZXT Phantom Finish w/Orange Trim = $119.99
Power Supply: Rosewill Xtreme Series RX850-S-B 850W = $104.99
Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc 24X DVD Burner = $17.99
Monitor: ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P = $169.99
Operating System:Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM = $99.99
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard = $47.99

Price= $ 1606.51 with rebates and then another $40 in gift cards to new egg...

Congrats ! You just managed to pay more for less. :)  I had you in a 240GB SSD along with an XFX modular psu. Now you have a 128GB SSD that's going to fill up fast, a case with zero front airflow/ventilation, a monitor with no LED, and a psu that I wouldn't use if it was given to me as a gift. And not once did you use a Newegg combo or look at the links to Amazon to save $$.


http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=AS-VS238HP&c=F... $174.99 | $164.99 after $10 MIR + Free Shipping
Asus VS238H-P 23 inch WideScreen 5ms 50000000 :1 DVI(HDCP)/HDMI LED LCD Monitor (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Internal-D... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop Hard Drive Bulk/OEM - WD1002FAEX

or...

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Intern... $79.98 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1 TB 7200RPM SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST1000DM003

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.74 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack


aqualipt said:
*Change the motherboard to Asus Extrme 4 or Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H, they are better according to Tom's

*There is no point in getting a noisy HDD when you've got a SSD, buy a Samsung SpinPoint F3 instead of Caviar Black

*EVGA uses reference cooling for their GPUs so switch it to a Gigabyte GV-N670WF2-2GD, Gigabyte GV-N670OC-2GD or Asus GTX670-DC2-2GD5

*Do NOT buy roselwill's PSUs, they have a high failure rate and you do not need 850w, the PSU i linked (this one) is a lot better and has higher manufactuiring quality (PC Power & Cooling manufactures a lot of Cosair's and XFX's PSUs)

Edit: this psu ---> http://pcpartpicker.com/part/pc-power--cooling-power-su... is a lot better than the one you picked and the one i recomended, if you have the extra cash buy it.

*Read your messages. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum1.php?config=tom... i sent you something that you will find very usefull

XFX psu's are made exclusively by Seasonic to my knowledge although PC Power & Cooling does make rock solid psu's. And Tom's has never done a review on that Asus Z77 Lk although the Asrock board is a good one, both the Asus Lk and Asrock boards are decent.
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August 10, 2012 6:40:04 PM

aqualipt said:
*Change the motherboard to Asus Extrme 4 or Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H, they are better according to Tom's

*There is no point in getting a noisy HDD when you've got a SSD, buy a Samsung SpinPoint F3 instead of Caviar Black

*EVGA uses reference cooling for their GPUs so switch it to a Gigabyte GV-N670WF2-2GD, Gigabyte GV-N670OC-2GD or Asus GTX670-DC2-2GD5

*Do NOT buy roselwill's PSUs, they have a high failure rate and you do not need 850w, the PSU i linked (this one) is a lot better and has higher manufactuiring quality (PC Power & Cooling manufactures a lot of Cosair's and XFX's PSUs)

Edit: this psu ---> http://pcpartpicker.com/part/pc-power--cooling-power-su... is a lot better than the one you picked and the one i recomended, if you have the extra cash buy it.

*Read your messages. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum1.php?config=tom... i sent you something that you will find very usefull
:heink:  Say what ?!? No PC Power & Cooling does not manufacture any of XFX PSU only seasonic does and they don't manufacture Cosair's either where did you learn all this false information anyway let me school you real quick so you know for the future what your talking about ;) 
Spoiler
Corsair is a well known supplier of PSU's with top notch ratings with good value. The models made by Seasonic tend to be the quietest. The new AX series is the newest and best. Surprisingly even the CWT models are well reviewed although most are discontinued.

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AX-650 – Seasonic
AX-750 – Seasonic
AX-850 – Seasonic
AX-1200 – Flextronics
CX-400 – Seasonic
CX-430 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-430 v2 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-500 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-500 v2 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-600 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-600 v2 – Channel Well(CWT)
Gaming Series GS600 – Channel Well(CWT)
Gaming Series GS700 – Channel Well(CWT)
Gaming Series GS800 – Channel Well(CWT)
HX-450 – Seasonic
HX-520 – Seasonic
HX-620 – Seasonic
HX-650 – Seasonic
HX-750 – Channel Well (CWT) (DSG platform)
HX-850 – Channel Well (CWT) (DSG platform)
HX-1000 – Channel Well (CWT)
HX-1050 – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-550M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-650 – Seasonic
TX-650 v2 – Seasonic
TX-650M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-750 – Channel Well (CWT) (PSH(older) platform)
TX-750 v2 – Seasonic
TX-750M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-850 – Channel Well (CWT) (PSH(older) platform)
TX-850 v2 – Seasonic
TX-850M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-950 – Channel Well (CWT) (DSG platform)
VX-450 – Seasonic
VX-550 – Channel Well (CWT) (PSH platform)

Spoiler
One of my personal favorites because of the aesthetics, all XFX power supplies are made by Seasonic and all highly rated as well.

Black Edition – Seasonic
Core Edition – Seasonic
XXX Edition – Seasonic

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*note-PC Power & Cooling is owned by OCZ
PC Power & Cooling has very highly reviewed power supplies and are easily recommendable.

Silencer – Seasonic
Silencer MK II – Sirtec
Turbo Cool – Wintact
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bigcyco1 said:
:heink:  Say what ?!? No PC Power & Cooling does not manufacture any of XFX PSU only seasonic does and they don't manufacture Cosair's either where did you learn all this false information anyway let me school you real quick so you know for the future what your talking about ;) 
Spoiler
Corsair is a well known supplier of PSU's with top notch ratings with good value. The models made by Seasonic tend to be the quietest. The new AX series is the newest and best. Surprisingly even the CWT models are well reviewed although most are discontinued.

Spoiler
AX-650 – Seasonic
AX-750 – Seasonic
AX-850 – Seasonic
AX-1200 – Flextronics
CX-400 – Seasonic
CX-430 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-430 v2 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-500 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-500 v2 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-600 – Channel Well(CWT)
CX-600 v2 – Channel Well(CWT)
Gaming Series GS600 – Channel Well(CWT)
Gaming Series GS700 – Channel Well(CWT)
Gaming Series GS800 – Channel Well(CWT)
HX-450 – Seasonic
HX-520 – Seasonic
HX-620 – Seasonic
HX-650 – Seasonic
HX-750 – Channel Well (CWT) (DSG platform)
HX-850 – Channel Well (CWT) (DSG platform)
HX-1000 – Channel Well (CWT)
HX-1050 – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-550M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-650 – Seasonic
TX-650 v2 – Seasonic
TX-650M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-750 – Channel Well (CWT) (PSH(older) platform)
TX-750 v2 – Seasonic
TX-750M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-850 – Channel Well (CWT) (PSH(older) platform)
TX-850 v2 – Seasonic
TX-850M – Channel Well (CWT)
TX-950 – Channel Well (CWT) (DSG platform)
VX-450 – Seasonic
VX-550 – Channel Well (CWT) (PSH platform)

Spoiler
One of my personal favorites because of the aesthetics, all XFX power supplies are made by Seasonic and all highly rated as well.

Black Edition – Seasonic
Core Edition – Seasonic
XXX Edition – Seasonic

Spoiler
*note-PC Power & Cooling is owned by OCZ
PC Power & Cooling has very highly reviewed power supplies and are easily recommendable.

Silencer – Seasonic
Silencer MK II – Sirtec
Turbo Cool – Wintact


Well i am very sorry for not spending my time researching about wich company manufacturers PSU for other companies, i am just saying what i heard, anyways, PC power & Cooling makes kick ass PSUs
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August 10, 2012 8:19:36 PM

aqualipt said:
Well i am very sorry for not spending my time researching about wich company manufacturers PSU for other companies, i am just saying what i heard, anyways, PC power & Cooling makes kick ass PSUs
No need to be sorry just need to take a interest in the info you provide people asking for help because they depend on you and yes they do provide kick ass solid PSU and imo very decently and fairly priced :) 
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