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August 11, 2012 2:46:14 PM

I am building my first gaming computer for under $550 (to play games like BF3 and Counter Strike on decent graphics level), and was wondering if this would be a good rig.

-TOPOWER TP-3030BB-450 Black SGCC 0.45mm MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case 450W Power Supply------ $43.99

-Refurbished: Hitachi GST Ultrastar A7K1000 HUA721050KLA330-PULL 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive ----- $54.99

-GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3V LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard----- $64.99

-Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32120----$124.99

-(2 of these) Pareema 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model MD313C81609L1----- $39.98

-HIS iCooler H775F1GD Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card----- $109.99

-SONY Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B-----$18.99

-Rosewill RNX-G300LX IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Adapter Card Up to 54Mbps Data Rates 64/128bit WEP WPA WPA2 802.1x, 802.11i-----$14.99

-ZALMAN ZM-M300 Black 7 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Mouse-----$19.99

-(Not too worried about a keyboard right now, this is just a cheap backup) V7 KM0Z1-5N6P Black USB Wired Slim Multimedia Keyboard---- $7.99




-----So that brings my total to around $500.89 on NewEgg. Any feedback is helpful, and I am open to any possible changes to keep it under that $550 mark.

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August 11, 2012 2:58:37 PM

the TOPOWER case + Power supply is iffy, mostly the powersupply. I also wouldn't get the refurbished hard drive. also, why a G instead of N-class wifi card?

here's a different build, with generally better parts

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2400 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.35 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($37.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill R101-P-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 380W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($38.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Gigabyte GK-KM5200 Wired Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($12.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $529.76
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

this includes a rebate on the 7770, it is $549.76 before that. either use the wired connection, or spend the rebate on a $20 wi-fi card.
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-11 10:58 EDT-0400)
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August 11, 2012 2:59:33 PM

1: id get a board like this
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/GIGABYTE+-+Intel%AE+mATX+Mo...(Socket+1155)/3088271.p?id=1218377120582&skuId=3088271&cmp=RMX&ky=2oh0NrwOl4j1qjMx3Oy2gXfVGhMUl0WiJ&ci_src=11138&ci_sku=3088271&AID=10474050&PID=3938566&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2FGIGABYTE%2B-%2BIntel%25AE%2BmA...

2: id get a psu like this

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65317&vpn=PPCMK3S400&m...

3: id get a case like this

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006TVQU6C/?tag=pcpapi-20

4; id get this ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5: id get this video card instead. 144.99 after MIR (its a american express gift card)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6: get a good mouse. dont cheap out on it as it is the thing that you use the most

7: id get this keyboard. its very nice

http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38405
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August 11, 2012 3:12:30 PM

id go for a i5 or higher and change the power supply 600+
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August 11, 2012 3:18:18 PM

he isnt rich
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August 11, 2012 3:20:23 PM

but to play bf3 you will need a computer build more then 600 Pound as he not going to get a decent Graphics Level as he said so hes going to have to save up a bit more
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August 11, 2012 3:24:00 PM

if you use a n adaptor, its usually faster
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August 11, 2012 3:24:08 PM

Thanks for the feed back. And like I said this is my first build, so I'm kind of out of the loop on this type of thing haha. But what exactly is wrong with the power supply I had selected? I really chose it because it came with the case and my video card needed a minimum of a 400 watt power supply. I chose the refurbished hard drive because it had more cache for the money, but I could flex my spending a little bit for that. And I chose the G class because we have a Verizon wireless hotspot, and figured I could use it to connect to that easily. Would it be better for me to use the N class?
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August 11, 2012 3:24:49 PM

a 6870 can play bf3 at ultra broski. you dont always need a 670 or something of that calibre to play the latest games
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August 11, 2012 3:26:00 PM

iDaveeFTW said:
but to play bf3 you will need a computer build more then 600 Pound as he not going to get a decent Graphics Level as he said so hes going to have to save up a bit more


nonsense.

You don't have to have a 600W PSU for any single card any more, and $500-700 gaming machies are perfectly good - usually compromising on upgrades and mid-level graphics, but still playable. the 2400 + 7770 I posted will play BF3 n medium settings just fie at 1920x1080
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August 11, 2012 3:31:00 PM

That's a pretty good build, both yours and screwysqrl's are something I'll look into. And what would be a good mouse to use for gaming then? I have looked at a few, and I've heard a lot of good things about the Logitech G500. That was the mouse I had originally looked at, but kind of set it to the side because of price.
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August 11, 2012 3:46:14 PM

walboy96 said:
Thanks for the feed back. And like I said this is my first build, so I'm kind of out of the loop on this type of thing haha. But what exactly is wrong with the power supply I had selected? I really chose it because it came with the case and my video card needed a minimum of a 400 watt power supply. I chose the refurbished hard drive because it had more cache for the money, but I could flex my spending a little bit for that. And I chose the G class because we have a Verizon wireless hotspot, and figured I could use it to connect to that easily. Would it be better for me to use the N class?



well, if your router is only G, no need to go N. as for the TOPWER power supply, TOPOWER is a bargain-basement company known for false labeling and poor quality parts. As I said, they have 'to pow' right there in the name, and that's what their PSUs will do.. go pow and take your other components with them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bHRMdiTl3c


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August 11, 2012 3:51:45 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
nonsense.

You don't have to have a 600W PSU for any single card any more, and $500-700 gaming machies are perfectly good - usually compromising on upgrades and mid-level graphics, but still playable. the 2400 + 7770 I posted will play BF3 n medium settings just fie at 1920x1080

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPbqPc80XiM
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August 11, 2012 3:56:30 PM

In all seriousness...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5541/amd-radeon-hd-7750-r...

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BF3 is an all-around GPU killer, which in the case of the 7700 series doesn’t help matters. Keeping in mind our benchmarks typically trend high, even at 1680 with Medium settings we’re not cracking 60fps with anything less than a GTX 460 1GB. In this case the 7770 should be playable, but intense firefights will definitely drop through the 30fps floor.

In any case the performance of the 7700 series is starting to show some consistency. Once again the 7770 underperforms the 6850, this time by 5%, elsewhere the 7750 noticeably trails the 5770. Nothing on the AMD side is anywhere close to the GTX 560 however.

Looking at our data, I’m a bit worried about the amount of VRAM the 7770 has. 1GB is already not quite enough for some games at 1920 with high quality settings, but BF3 is especially punishing. If we see more games like BF3, I have to wonder if 1GB will be enough for even 1680 in a year’s time.


Final summation. Save more money. Get something you'll be happy with for a couple years, even if it takes a month or two extra of saving up to get it. BF3 btw, is optimized for Nvidia cards, even though AMD cards beat the pants off of Nvidia's 5xx series, this is the one exception to the rule.
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August 11, 2012 4:05:23 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
well, if your router is only G, no need to go N. as for the TOPWER power supply, TOPOWER is a bargain-basement company known for false labeling and poor quality parts. As I said, they have 'to pow' right there in the name, and that's what their PSUs will do.. go pow and take your other components with them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bHRMdiTl3c




I appreciate it, I didn't know that. But would I need to have a higher PSU for the video card though? Even with the HD 7770 that you recommended, the specs say it needs at least 450 watts to run it.
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August 11, 2012 4:10:12 PM

The recommended specs are assuming you're using a cheap, crappy power supply. Ideally you should bear them in mind, but an antec 380D is a quality power supply, and watts alone are not the only consideration to take into account. Amps have to be considered as well. The 380D has sufficient amps to power a 7770. But as I pointed out, unfortunately Squirrels claim about a particular game wasn't really entirely accurate.

BF3 multiplayer and Single player are very different in terms of system usage. I can tell you right now, that you will not be happy with BF3 MP running a 7770 video card. Single player, yea ur fine.
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August 11, 2012 4:20:58 PM

nekulturny said:
The recommended specs are assuming you're using a cheap, crappy power supply. Ideally you should bear them in mind, but an antec 380D is a quality power supply, and watts alone are not the only consideration to take into account. Amps have to be considered as well. The 380D has sufficient amps to power a 7770. But as I pointed out, unfortunately Squirrels claim about a particular game wasn't really entirely accurate.

BF3 multiplayer and Single player are very different in terms of system usage. I can tell you right now, that you will not be happy with BF3 MP running a 7770 video card. Single player, yea ur fine.




Well, what kind of video card would you recommend to buy then? I am trying to keep it on a budget, but when I said "decent graphics" I meant that they didn't necessarily have to be on the highest setting. I'm honestly not too worried about that. I just want them to be hanging around the mid settings.
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August 11, 2012 4:59:08 PM

nekulturny said:
How about this video card, yes it will cost you a little more money. Its yours to spend, but why settle for low-mid settings when you don't have to?

$180 with mail in rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This power supply is $25 with mail in rebate, and yes its good quality:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I saw that you had a zotac, and I actually looked this one up

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Do you know anything about it?
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August 11, 2012 5:00:05 PM

or, alternately, a 6870 (about $160)
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August 11, 2012 5:00:53 PM

I have the amp edition of the 550 TI, its overclocked 100mhz from the reference card. Its not a bad little budget card, but I definitely want better myself. This fall/winter I'm looking into a Sapphire 7870 GHZ edition and sticking the 550 TI in a cheap build for my mother as a gift. The 560 TI amp edition I linked you to is quite a bit better. But in general, yes, Zotac is actually a very good company, I think gets lost in obscurity by bigger video card manufacturers like EVGA, MSI and Asus.
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August 11, 2012 5:05:45 PM

5550 is weaker than the 7770.

here's my rough estimate:

HD 6450
GT 430
GT 440
GT 530
HD 6570
GT 540
GT 640
HD 6670
GTS 450
GTS 550
HD 7750
GTS 550 ti
HD 6770
HD 7770
GTX 560 SE
HD 6850
GTX 560
Hd 6870
GTX 560 ti
HD 6950
GTX 560 ti 448
HD 7850
GTX 570
GTX 580
HD 7950
HD 7970
GTX 670
HD 7970 GHz ed
GTX 680
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August 11, 2012 6:12:21 PM

yeah. that list is more or less correct. the 7970 ghz beats the 680 from tests though.
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August 11, 2012 8:05:20 PM

Well I will definitely take in all of this, make some changes, and hopefully it'll all work out. I appreciate everybody's help, because from the looks of it I really needed it. I'll post when I think I have a decent idea for everything.
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August 12, 2012 2:06:12 AM

TheBigTroll said:
yeah. that list is more or less correct. the 7970 ghz beats the 680 from tests though.

So does the stock 7970 with Catalyst 12.7 drivers, in pretty much everything but BF3, and its a small advantage.
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August 12, 2012 6:34:48 AM

I'd still get the 7970 over the GTX 680.
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August 12, 2012 12:18:35 PM

id get the 670 over the 7970 :D 
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August 12, 2012 3:38:06 PM

I've had all Nvidia cards in every computer I've ever had, I'm ready for change, and not the made up change that Obama talked about. :lol: 
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August 12, 2012 3:47:32 PM

lol. people probably voted for him to make history.

my cousin had some 5000 series cards and some 4000 series cards. other than that, we went with nvidia
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August 12, 2012 3:55:11 PM

I didn't vote for him, I thought he was full of crap, and 3 years has told me, I wasn't wrong.

Anyway, I should have given AMD a go for video cards a while ago, after having a laptop that is practically useless because the nvidia chip in it literally melted. And to make it worse, its soldered to the mobo. Not that Nvidia is still making screwups like that, but someone else deserves a turn. I bought Nvidia for my Phenom II system mainly because AMD's video card numbering system confused me. *blush*
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August 12, 2012 3:59:47 PM

they made it pretty clear now with their numbering system. only thing that is kinda whacked up is their mobile gpu numbering. their 6990m is not dual 6970s underclocked but just a 6870 that is underclocked
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August 12, 2012 7:43:25 PM

TheBigTroll said:
id get the 670 over the 7970 :D 

Surely you have seen the benchmarks with the new drivers, right? I'd probably pay the $50 for a bigger performance gap between the two.
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August 12, 2012 8:37:08 PM

of course but i cant find one with a good cooler. the msi lightning is kinda expensive, the asus one is a huge triple slot brick, and the sapphire and gigabyte coolers kinda look cheap compared to the others. xfx is okay but heard they were kinda loud.

the 7970s draw a bit more power too.

i might get a 7970 if its on sale for a good price

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August 12, 2012 9:53:51 PM

I have a Sapphire 7970 and it is barely audible.
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August 13, 2012 1:38:54 AM

LOL, Sapphire all day long, ain't ya been listening to me Troll? Sapphire is where its at for AMD vid cards. As far as the power, you're still young, let your parents worry about the electric bill. :lol: 
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August 13, 2012 1:46:09 AM

meh they complain that using a laptop to play games racks up the energy bill when we have one of those old fashion CRTs thats older than me.
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August 13, 2012 1:48:24 AM

lol, CRTs absolutely are power hogs. Your parents definitely need education. But good luck with that, I'm actually in college for this *** and on the Dean's List and my mother still doesn't accept my explanation of why her 8 year old Dell XPS desktop with a Pentium D CPU was never considered a "gaming computer" when it was new, and it damn sure isn't in 2012. :lol: 
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August 13, 2012 1:56:47 AM

we recently threw out my dads first gen athlon (pretty sure it was 1999 and 250nm process). Then it will be his pentium 4 (it works but takes 5 mins for boot. No cheap SSDs to save this thing)

we probably will swap that CRT with a LEDTV soon (when the CRT dies).
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August 13, 2012 2:02:27 AM

I would lol. The Pentium Ds were terrible, that was back when AMD owners would snicker at Intel fanboys with their inferior CPUs. I'd like to see those days again, but alas, I don't think we will.

Hell, Pentium 4s were Intel's Bulldozer, the first ones were actually worse than Pentium IIIs.
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August 13, 2012 4:02:03 AM

I am considering getting a CRT for gaming.
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August 13, 2012 4:05:27 AM

*facepalm* why? lol
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August 13, 2012 4:23:02 AM

It's obvious. Zero input lag is good for gaming.
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August 13, 2012 4:26:51 AM

Lol, if you really want to go back to those boat anchors, don't worry, you can have them all. As far as online PVP games, everyone else has the same handicap you do pretty much. The benefits of LCD vs CRT outweighs the bad heavily, despite the fact that CRTs well, just plain outweigh LCDs :lol:  A decent 60hz LCD monitor is not really a handicap anyway.
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August 13, 2012 1:11:43 PM

azeem40 said:
It's obvious. Zero input lag is good for gaming.


no thanks given how much flickering some of them have. not to mention the weight
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August 13, 2012 4:02:48 PM

crts have HORRIBLE fuzziness compared to LCD/LEDs. I used an old CRT for an hour a few years back and it gave me headaches.
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August 13, 2012 4:16:06 PM

my CRT TV in the living room is still clear for 480p viewing :D . no flickering on that one. the old CRT monitor that my dad used was pretty terrible though
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August 13, 2012 4:50:48 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
crts have HORRIBLE fuzziness compared to LCD/LEDs. I used an old CRT for an hour a few years back and it gave me headaches.

I know, Max (my significant other who owns that i5 monstrosity), one of his dual monitors is an old CRT, then he has the LCD as the main one. It makes me laugh, that thing is nasty, screenburned to hell.
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