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August 11, 2012 5:41:11 PM

Hello,

MyLaptop can normally run new games with medium graphics. (smoothly)
But, when I render animations using Adobe Aftereffects it takes many hours.
(for 2:30 minutes animation, this sh*t taking about 2-3 hours)
So, I'm going to build a PC.

Expecting PC specifications are
Intel Core i7 3.5GHz - 3770K - 8MB Processor
Motherboard - Intel DH67CL
RAM - 4 x 4GB Kingston DDR3 1333 RAMs
VGA - MSI - GeForce GTX 550 Ti - 1GB DDR5 - 192-bit
Casing - Cooler Master Elite 430
Power Supply - Cooler Master RS500 - 500W
SSD - ADATA 60GB S510
HDD - Samsung 500GB 7200RPM
DVD-RW - Asus 24x Black

So, I want to know
1. All these components match with each other?
2. Do you have any suggestions/alternatives for motherboard,VGA and Processor?
3. Does this motherboard will be able to handle the processor well?
(because processor is a latest processor)
5. What is the importance of using a SSD and What happens if I don't use a SSD?
6. Does 500W powersupply enough for the VGA?
7. Is it better if I use water cooling system?
8. What are the advantages of WaterCooling system?
9. Will this PC faster at least 2x when comparing with my laptop?

Thats it. Please answer all 9 questions.
And please explain what you know.

Thanks for all good answers.

Duminda.

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August 11, 2012 6:00:28 PM

Does Aftereffects render with the CPU or the GPU?
August 11, 2012 6:42:15 PM

Its not your pc; after effects is a b*tch when it comes to rendering. Ive rendered long videos and short videos on after effects and sony vegas and it just takes a long damn time. Upgrading is pointless for this; I would just get some patience. :p  All those layers take lots of time to compress into a single track.
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August 11, 2012 11:55:13 PM

So, do you think if i build this PC, the rendering time will be the same?
My existing laptop is a core i7 640M 2.8GHz and 8GB RAM with GT420M GPU.
But, I'm gong to use intel core i7 3rd generation processor and 16GB RAM with GTX550ti for the PC.
It will not be faster as I think?
August 12, 2012 12:52:18 AM

no, rendering will not be the same.
The previous point is that it's not going to immediately make your 2hour render take 20seconds.
Just look up a processing benchmarks for each one. Then once you have the numbers, it will just be math.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Co...

Here the 640m gets 4066 points
The 3770k gets about 10,000 points

So your expectation should be tasks like your renders should be in the range of about twice as fast. So if it was taking 2hours, still going to take 1hour.

In the perspective of anything else, double is a huge change in any linear benchmark. But for technology most people want exponential changes to change hours to minutes or seconds.
So don't expect to see that kind of improvement (unless there is some upgrade in the software).
Your game play should exponentially go up though, if you spend enough for the video card.

For your other questions, I suggest you read through the forum and look at any of the $1500 builds.

Motherboard:
most peopel will recommend you get a z77 mobo, go look at the other builds

SSD:
most people will recommend you get at least a 128gb SSD. SSD makes your Disk faster. This can make your computer "faster" in the sense that often times many tasks are bottlenecked by waiting for your disk. Most people will see like your computer will bootup now in 10seconds, versus a minute or more on a HDD>
go look at the other builds


Watercooling:
most people do this to show off. Based on the questions you have already asked, I have evaluated your level of expertise, and Watercooling is something you probably don't need to worry about.
August 12, 2012 3:56:44 AM

raytseng said:
no, rendering will not be the same.
The previous point is that it's not going to immediately make your 2hour render take 20seconds.
Just look up a processing benchmarks for each one. Then once you have the numbers, it will just be math.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Co...

Here the 640m gets 4066 points
The 3770k gets about 10,000 points

So your expectation should be tasks like your renders should be in the range of about twice as fast. So if it was taking 2hours, still going to take 1hour.

In the perspective of anything else, double is a huge change in any linear benchmark. But for technology most people want exponential changes to change hours to minutes or seconds.
So don't expect to see that kind of improvement (unless there is some upgrade in the software).
Your game play should exponentially go up though, if you spend enough for the video card.

For your other questions, I suggest you read through the forum and look at any of the $1500 builds.

Motherboard:
most peopel will recommend you get a z77 mobo, go look at the other builds

SSD:
most people will recommend you get at least a 128gb SSD. SSD makes your Disk faster. This can make your computer "faster" in the sense that often times many tasks are bottlenecked by waiting for your disk. Most people will see like your computer will bootup now in 10seconds, versus a minute or more on a HDD>
go look at the other builds


Watercooling:
most people do this to show off. Based on the questions you have already asked, I have evaluated your level of expertise, and Watercooling is something you probably don't need to worry about.


What he said. :) 
August 12, 2012 9:58:51 AM

Very cool answer thedeathclox
Thank You Very much.
a c 105 B Homebuilt system
August 12, 2012 10:43:19 AM

Find some other RAM. All Kingston RAM runs at 1.65v, which will damage your Intel CPU. You need something that runs at 1.5v or less

Your questions.
1.
All the components will work, but they are not very optimized for each other. Get a Z77 motherboard for that Ivy Bridge processor.

2. A Z77 motherboard would be best, the AsRock Z77 Extreme4 is the most recommended board. Depending on what level you will be gaming on, you may want a bigger GPU, as the 550Ti is quite old now and wasn't anything special then. The processor is good.

3.
No, but a Z77 board should.

4.
You skipped number four!

5.
SSD's are like HDD's but work so much faster. Most people buy a small SSD (128GB) to put the OS and programs on, then a HDD for mass storage. So you get the speed of an SSD in general usage and the massive capacity of a HDD.

6.
I think 500W will be enough, though you will be cutting it fine. a 600W or 650W unit would be better.

7.
Only if you have pretty extreme overclocks, overly care about the aesthetics or like to brag.

8.
The advantages of custom water cooling is that it will your system cooler than any air cooler will, and looks awesome if you do it right. Pre built loops theres not much benefit other than the looks and better flexibility with RAM clearance.

9.
Not entirely sure, but if Ratseng's research is correct, in a word, yes.
August 13, 2012 5:16:41 AM

Thank you very much "manofchalk"
I'm buying this PC within next 3 days.
I decided to buy a z77
And final cost will Rs.175,000 in My currency.
It means approximately $1346 in USD.
Pretty enough.. :) 
August 13, 2012 5:29:44 AM

I agree with manofchalk about the RAM.

Also Ivy Bridge natively supports DDR3-1600MHz.

Check with your motherboard to see what speeds it supports and you could possibly buy faster RAM.

EDIT: If you can order from Newegg.com I would suggest this ram kit.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... the promo code ends today on the 13th. But I see your from India so I'm not entirely sure if you can order from there :( 
a b B Homebuilt system
August 13, 2012 5:29:58 AM

As a general rule,more RAM is better for aftereffects, and I agree a 650w would be better.
August 13, 2012 3:04:13 PM

Are G-Skill RAMs good..?
August 13, 2012 3:08:13 PM

Can I order from Newegg.com?
I'm in Sri Lanka..
a b B Homebuilt system
August 13, 2012 5:26:00 PM

G Skill are very stable and excellent value. Same for corsair, patriot and crucial. Newegg won't ship to you,try Amazon, though it's a hit or miss. My advice is to buy local as much as possible.
August 14, 2012 5:08:05 AM

thanks allanitomwesh..
Thanks all others also.. I'm going to buy her August 16th.. :) 
August 14, 2012 5:19:08 AM

Hello guys,
I have another question.
with z77 chipset, which motherboard brand is good
Is Asus fine?
a b B Homebuilt system
August 14, 2012 5:49:12 AM

Yes,I recommend asus sabertooth,though any will work. Also gigabyte,sapphire and asrock.
August 14, 2012 12:07:02 PM

thanks.. cool
August 15, 2012 7:27:08 AM

Should I buy Intel Core i7-3770 processor or 3770K processor?
I compared them at cpubenchmark.net
3770K has 10,372 score
and 3770 got 10359.
very little different. But, 3770K processor is more expensive. about $40 than 3770..
What can I do? Any suggestions?
a b B Homebuilt system
August 15, 2012 8:12:46 AM

Get the non K if you will not be overclocking the CPU. It's the reason it costs more,otherwise their identical.
August 15, 2012 8:49:52 AM

Hell if you recommend the sabertooth to him you might as well get the unlocked 3770k so it can reap the full benefits of overclocking.

Just remember if you do plan on buying the unlock i7-3770k. Pick yourself up an aftermarket cooler such as the cooler master hyper 212 evo. If not buying the K the stock cooler should suffice.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 15, 2012 9:28:21 AM

^what he said
The sabertooth goes with the k series in his first post. Good cooler you've said.
August 15, 2012 1:23:29 PM

I think u can get a GT 560ti instead...look at this if u want http://online.barclays.lk/bc/itemdesc.asp?ic=30404&eq=&...

I'm also from SL so it's too bad that we can't buy from newegg still :( 
And Gskill is so much better...So buy a pair of Gskill ripjaws with heatsinks (available at Techzone)

And fr the cooling get a good CPU cooler but as I guess messing with a water cooling system is not better idea for the money and time as well...so buy a good branded cooler instead....and good luck

August 15, 2012 2:46:17 PM

Sure.. I already ckecked barclays' website and hope to buy MSI GT560i.
And G-Skill RAMs from TECHZONE..
Is there any good shops at Unity Plaza? (better warranty service)
Because, All shops at unity plaza not giving 1 to 1 change warranty for motherboards.
I bought many motherboards before from many shops and If any motherboard got problem, They are giving an used repaired m.b. as warranty service. Not a brandnew one which already a mess
August 15, 2012 2:48:30 PM

Ah.. I'm not going to overclock. Because it may reduce the life time of the processor..
August 15, 2012 2:51:42 PM

Plus, suggest me a good Operating System.
I know it should be 64 bit.
Home Premium or Ultimate (Win 7)
August 15, 2012 5:05:00 PM

Ultimate or Home premium win7 for sure...
PC house gives 1 to 1 change but dunno whether they r giving repaired ones though....(they have nice gigabyte mobos)
And many shops like Datamaster, Sri comp are owned by PC house...barclays and techzone is better but prices are high
a b B Homebuilt system
August 15, 2012 5:05:24 PM

Get the non K processor.Get home premium x64 oem and sign up for windows 8 pro upgrade offer.
August 16, 2012 2:33:33 AM

I'm going to buy a UPS also.. Because there are many power cuts here..
Is normal UPS enough for the 650W Power Supply unit?

Yet, I want to know that SSDs and HDDs will affect because of power cuts?
a b B Homebuilt system
August 16, 2012 3:29:39 AM

A more expensive ups keeps the pc on longer. Get APC their excellent, even a normal one.
August 16, 2012 4:17:59 AM


A good power supply should not be using a lot of energy if you are not pushing your computer. (That's why they have efficiency ratings like the 80+).

So if your power goes out. You probably should not then load up your super intensive games and continue playing until the UPS gives out. You probably should save or finish up what you are doing and shut down your pc safely.
August 17, 2012 4:15:33 AM

No no, I mean, can I use a normal power supply for this PC.
I don't want to keep it loonger.. only 5 min. is enough. just want to save and shutdown the PC..
a b B Homebuilt system
August 17, 2012 4:46:54 AM

You'll want a trusted brand power supply,like 650-750w at least 80+ certified (bronze, gold)
This'll give room to expand in future. A 750W gold is my recommendation for future SLI with powerful cards.
August 17, 2012 5:36:04 AM

Anyway, I brought the PC yesterday..!!
I got a 750W cooler master power supply.. So, I may need a very good UPS.
Is there any UPSs which can use computer about 2-3 hours?
Because there are 3 hour power cut per day in my country..
Totally mess..
a b B Homebuilt system
August 17, 2012 6:00:09 AM

Well that kind of long life will cost you. For $1200 you can get a 3000va ups. That'll give you 3hrs of life.
August 17, 2012 6:01:12 AM

Hahaha no power cuts in here @ matara though...btw congratz 4 ur new build mate...show us pics if u like :) 
Hikz for 1200$ he can get another pc for sure :p 
August 17, 2012 6:07:46 AM

If you want to use your computer that long.

You are better off then using a power inverter (for your car) or power generator then running an extension cord /attach your UPS to the engine generating electricity.
or buy a laptop that has a battery.

Alternatively you get your own bank of car batteries that you keep charged up and then you use an inverter off of that to charge your UPS.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 17, 2012 6:10:35 AM

650VA is the sweet spot. A good 25-30 minutes.Finish a level, or reach a checkpoint,save and shut down.
August 17, 2012 5:17:34 PM

Bought a UPS with 1200AV... thats pretty enough..

So, here is what I built

Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Gigabyte GTX 560 1GB DDR5 56-bit
60GB SSD
Cooler Master Elite 430 caing
Cooler Master GX 750W PSU
G-Skill 2 x 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM kit

I will upload photos soon..

I have more questions.
1. I connected 60GB SSD to Sata 6 GB/s port. But my 500GB HHD is 3GB/s. So, I connected it to a 3GB/s port. Can I connect the 500GB HDD to 6GB/s port?
will it harm? or speed up the PC?

2. There are 5 fans (12cm) in the casing. is it ok?

3. Monitor has HDMI, VGA and DVI. Plus there are 3 cables for them. So, which one should I use? At this moment, I'm using the HDMI.

Thanks
August 17, 2012 5:47:22 PM

1) won't speed up, but won't cause any harm

2) nothing wrong with it, if you're using them all and in the slots and direction designed by the case manufacturer you'll be fine. Just check your temps.

They may not necesssarily make a diference though. Some people say if you have too many fans, that means you've opened too many ports and losing air flow to hit your specific components; and you can get by with fewer fans doing the same job.

If you're like pointing fans at each other or stacking 2fans together or doing something weird you maybe making things worse.
Use speedfan or other fan tuning to turn some fans down or off when you don't need the extra cooling.


3) vga will be worse.
HDMI/ DVI/ displayport should be technically equivilant for your typical single monitor at 1920 resolutions or lower. But potentially one of the connections could be working worse than the others (just do to your specfiic implementation or a bug in it).
a b B Homebuilt system
August 17, 2012 5:59:29 PM

HDMI is fine.
Just make a sketch of a case interior(rectangle with gaps where there's vents and small rectangles insdide to show parts) and draw arrows the direction each fan is blowing and coloured arrows in the direction the psu and graphics card are ejecting hot air. If it looks like hot air is ending up over a part then turn over the nearest fan to change it's direction.
connecting to 6gbps won't boost anything. It's okay.
August 17, 2012 6:56:26 PM

Remember that heat rises.

Push pull config is optimal. Have your rear and top case fans blowing out of your case and your front and side panel fans blowing into the case.

The push pull setup should not cause any problems.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 17, 2012 7:23:10 PM

^what he said.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 18, 2012 5:35:18 PM

Uhm,don't we have to be your friends on fb to see that? Why not just upload it here directly?
August 19, 2012 5:08:34 AM

Opzi yes it's not accessible...btw how much did it cost you for the SSD? And where did you buy that from?
August 19, 2012 7:28:41 AM

How to upload pictures here?
August 19, 2012 8:12:16 AM

Oh welcome to the forums bro....when you're using a forum you should use an image hosting site such as imageshack to upload your pictures and you can copy and paste the forum link to the thread ..simple as that :) 
August 22, 2012 4:47:18 AM

Hello firends,

I got a problem..
I noticed that my PC is not booting realy fast.. Then I found that the SSD I bought is just a SATA II (3GB/s).. I thought its a SATA III (6GB/s)
So, I don't like to spent more $150 and buy a 6GB/s SSD with 64GB
I decided to buy a normal HDD which has 6GB/s speed. and divide it into 2 partitions, and put OS and Software in a 1st Partition. Other files to 2nd one.
So, Will it speed up the PC? because although its a HHD, its 6GB/s.

Is a 6GB/s HDD faster than 3GB/s SSD?
a c 105 B Homebuilt system
August 22, 2012 6:35:38 AM

There is no speed difference between SATA II and III (also called SATA 3GB/s and 6GB/S), that is just the amount of bandwidth the connection can provide. The actual HDD/SSD will determine speed. 6GB/s connections on hard drives are somewhat wasted because HDD's cant (yet) saturate SATA II, but its a good feature nonetheless. An SSD hobbled by SATAII will still outperform any HDD.

Just get a refund on the SSD and get one that is SATA III.
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