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Trying to replace 9800GTX without too much of a bottle neck

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June 25, 2012 11:15:08 AM

Basically I am trying to find a decent card for around $100-$150 that will give me a decent performance boost without causing too much of a bottleneck with my old as hell Core2Quad. If possible, really want to find something decent within Nvida's current 600 Series or AMD's current 7000 series.

I need something that is at least decent, currently running 2 Screens (1366x768 & 1280x1024).

I have been unable to play BF3 much since I bought it, and Blizzard and Nvidia have informed me that my constant frame rate, freezing, and other issues with Diablo 3 are because of the cards lack of Video RAM, and just the age of the card itself.

I was thinking along the lines of an AMD 7770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any thoughts or input on this or other cards with that price range? I really don't like buying last gen hardware, but I can't afford a whole new system, so finding a happy medium on my current platform is proving very difficult.

If possible, really want to find something decent within Nvida's current 600 Series or AMD's current 7000 series

Here is what I am running right now:



Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz LGA 775
GIGABYTE GA-EG31M-S2
Mushkin 4GB DDR2 400Mhz
EVGA 9800GTX+ 512mb
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June 25, 2012 11:24:59 AM

That HD 7770 is nice. That's what I would suggest. I suppose it's the only HD 7000/nvidia 600 card that fits your budget (apart from HD 7750, which is cheaper).
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June 25, 2012 11:26:48 AM

hey get a hd 6850 which is better in most applaications than a hd 7770
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June 25, 2012 11:27:16 AM

If you don't like the 7770, then try the below:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

170 (20 rebate) for a 6870, would be a perfect match for your two monitors, plus when you upgrade will be quite future proof, providing >60fps for almost everygame right up to FullHD.
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June 25, 2012 11:31:54 AM

quads are really still pretty good so most cards you get "should" be ok..
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June 25, 2012 11:32:19 AM

panwala95 said:
hey get a hd 6850 which is better in most applaications than a hd 7770


Not really.

HD 6870 > HD 7770 > HD 6850
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June 25, 2012 11:38:28 AM

^ I had that 6870, it was loud as a tornado at 30% fan speed, it annoyed me so much I returned it day 1 and ate shipping costs + restocking fee + an extra 20 bucks for a twin frozr 2.

Just my personal experience with that card.



thats on ultra + aa/af all the way up (but it is on single player, multi player is extensively more demanding.

I recommend the 7770 aswell, takes up less power than a 6850 and you can cross fire them later without worrying about micro stuttering. (atleast I haven't heard any mention of it on those cards.)
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June 25, 2012 11:49:58 AM

the only 6870 I saw was $220........... way over the budget. The only other cards I saw posted were 1gig cards......... some people don't read. Thanks for your positive input....... it's the sh***s...... bye now.
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June 25, 2012 11:55:49 AM

swifty_morgan said:
the only 6870 I saw was $220........... way over the budget. The only other cards I saw posted were 1gig cards......... some people don't read. Thanks for your positive input....... it's the sh***s...... bye now.



Not trying to pick a fight or anything just sayin' you don't need 2g of vram to run a 1366 and 1280 monitor.
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June 25, 2012 12:04:21 PM

mouse24 said:
Not trying to pick a fight or anything just sayin' you don't need 2g of vram to run a 1366 and 1280 monitor.



not trying to pick a fight or sound stupid or anything but maybe I was the only one who read the OP's opener... ????
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June 25, 2012 12:09:12 PM

swifty_morgan said:
not trying to pick a fight or sound stupid or anything but maybe I was the only one who read the OP's opener... ????


If you mean this "I have been unable to play BF3 much since I bought it, and Blizzard and Nvidia have informed me that my constant frame rate, freezing, and other issues with Diablo 3 are because of the cards lack of Video RAM"

Then thats just nonsense.

If its the problem I think it is then its due to HDD access times people have complained about.
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June 25, 2012 12:16:53 PM

He doesn't need more than 1GB of RAM. HD7770 is a great little card, I had one. I also have the HD5850 and with the HD7770 overclocked the HD5850 still outperforms it. They're pretty close though. I prefer the HD7770 because it's whisper quiet, runs very cool, and barely sips on power. Plus it came with a free game that my kid's really like. This is the one I got:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have it overclocked to 1225/1425 no problem.

Here is a more accurate 6850 v 7770 comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/539?vs=536

I believe the OP said he wanted something of the newest gen, not last gen. Unless he wants to splash out for a GTX670 then the 7770 is the way to go. The GTX640 is horrible and the 660 isn't out yet.
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June 25, 2012 12:37:10 PM

he also wants to run 2 monitors. ........ BF3 on a 5670....... not in my house. LOL.
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June 25, 2012 12:41:41 PM

swifty_morgan said:
he also wants to run 2 monitors. ........ BF3 on a 5670....... not in my house. LOL.


You can't run eyefinity on two monitors. You need three or more. Also he was one 16:9 monitor and one 4:3. He would need to get two more monitors to get three identical for eyefinity. If he's trying to run eyefinity then I would recommend 2GB RAM. He's not though. Also when you run two monitors your AMD GPU will not downclock the memory into 2D mode to save power, this results in a much higher idle temp. This is where the HD7770 would shine because they run really cool.
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June 25, 2012 12:46:27 PM

stickg1 said:
You can't run eyefinity on two monitors. You need three or more. Also he was one 16:9 monitor and one 4:3. He would need to get two more monitors to get three identical for eyefinity. If he's trying to run eyefinity then I would recommend 2GB RAM. He's not though. Also when you run two monitors your AMD GPU will not downclock the memory into 2D mode to save power, this results in a much higher idle temp. This is where the HD7770 would shine because they run really cool.


Agreed, 100% one more tidbit though, you cant run eyefinity on monitors of varying resolutions (they have to all be the same res, I don't think it has to be all the same native res but I could be wrong. And for best picture they should be anyhow.)
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June 25, 2012 12:54:33 PM

mouse24 said:
Agreed, 100% one more tidbit though, you cant run eyefinity on monitors of varying resolutions (they have to all be the same res, I don't think it has to be all the same native res but I could be wrong. And for best picture they should be anyhow.)


Exactly!
So OP, with those resolutions you run, BF3 would be completely playable on medium-high settings with a HD7770 getting 40-60FPS. You could play high settings and get around 30FPS. The HD7770 is THE best new generation card for under $150. In fact, right now there is a massive price gap in the new generation cards, there is literally no options available between $150-$250. In my opinion this is ridiculous. I find myself preferring the $200 cards so I can throw them in CF-X/SLi and beat a $500 card. Unless you want to roll back to last generation (which there are some good cards out there) I would highly recommend the HD7770. The XFX Double D HD7770 is nice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and so is the MSI R7770: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... but don't sleep on the Sapphire Vapor-X: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I'm a XFX, MSI, Sapphire fanboy when it comes to GPUs. ASUS also makes a good card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The other ones are just as good if not better for cheaper though so it's up to you. I would recommend a dual fan model if you run 2 monitors all the time.
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June 25, 2012 2:03:35 PM

Thanks, I guess I will go with the XFX 7770. Some of the other 7770's are nice but I really don't like internal-exhaust cards, at least the "Ghost" variation is external exhaust. As some have mentioned I am not playing games on 2 screens, I use my second screen for work and just general multitasking, it's nice to have extra workroom.

Below are answers to a few other questions asked, thanks again everyone for helping :) 


panwala95 said:
hey get a hd 6850 which is better in most applaications than a hd 7770





Sunius said:
That HD 7770 is nice. That's what I would suggest. I suppose it's the only HD 7000/nvidia 600 card that fits your budget (apart from HD 7750, which is cheaper).


I looked at the 7750 and I would rather spend the extra $10 and have better performance. Most of Nvidia's low-end GPUs are horrible, specifically the 640 which gets demolished compared to the 7770.



mouse24 said:
If you mean this "I have been unable to play BF3 much since I bought it, and Blizzard and Nvidia have informed me that my constant frame rate, freezing, and other issues with Diablo 3 are because of the cards lack of Video RAM"

Then thats just nonsense.

If its the problem I think it is then its due to HDD access times people have complained about.



My 9800GTX only has 512MB of VRAM, my HDD access times have been fine. There were a lot of threads on Diablo's forums specifically on the 9800GTX, and 512mb just isn't enough.

If I could ever afford the new rig I want I would just buy a GTX 680 4GB and future proof the system. Sadly even if I had the money for the 680 it would be worthless with my system. Even then the 7770 will still have somewhat of a bottleneck.

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June 25, 2012 2:24:04 PM

^regardless I have seen multiple topics about how playing on anything less than an SSD would cause some weird texture popping etc. Probably not the issue you are experiencing but I thought I would bring it up nonetheless.
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June 25, 2012 6:01:45 PM

where did the man say anything about eyefinity ? Where'd that come from ? he said 2 monitors of different resolution. anyways, sure thing will work out for the better. the 9800's are ancient in comparison.
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