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In article <42ee7572$0$11067$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> chocolatemalt wrote:
> > In article <42ee5eb4$0$11075$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> > "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> >
> >>Optional wrote:
> >>
> >>>There is a huge differnce between a mod that will buff every one in the
> >>>raid party and a fishing/ tanking/ what have you bot program.
> >>
> >>I think there might be a thin line. I think the script language is
> >>powerful enough to allow autokilling targets. Which probably isn't what
> >>Bliz had in mind when they wrote LUA and which is probably a TOSsable
> >>offence.
> >
> >
> > The problem with your speculations is that they are dead wrong. Why not
> > give some of the popular add-ons a try and see what they're capable of?
> > That way you no longer have to guess about whether they ruin the game,
> > can autokill everything, etc.
>
> I have programmed a bit in my youth, I have seen script names for
> different spells. Can't you use an autobuff as a template for an
> autoblast macro? Or can you only have one spell per macro? I really
> don't know.
Well, that was sort of my point. What you would discover if you dove
into macro building or just grabbing some spell helper add-ons is that
you indeed cannot cast more than one skill/spell in any given button
push. Blizzard is trying to provide a rich API for macros and add-ons
without allowing the farmers to get much power. They seem to be keeping
a pretty close eye on the latter, by, for instance, breaking a recent
mod that scripted movement so you could automate land travel.
> >>How about writing a script to do Wrath, Moonfire, Roots for my Druid? I
> >>do that combo all the time at level 17.
> >
> >
> > Can't be done. Again, give the add-ons a look and you'll see.
>
> I fear using them. And I don't need them (yet).
Aw, nothing to be afraid of. Just grab Auctioneer for starters and see
how badly it corrupts you. I think your real fear is that you'll love
em.
> > Getting hit unnecessarily because you fired off your ranged attack
> > too close, since you don't use RangeRecolor or another range finding
> > tool.
>
> My spell buttons turn from red to white when I get in range. I guess
> Bliz fixed this.
Huh! Now I'll have to disable RangeRecolor and see what I'm missing
from whatever recent patch changed that. Hopefully I can cut my add-ons
load down a notch.
> > Having full bags and not knowing whether to jettison Essence of Water
> > or Living Essence, since you don't have Auctioneer and therefore could
> > make a huge mistake.
>
> That would indeed be useful for me (at my level). I now try to remember
> what got me the most money last time. I also take into account the mobs
> I am going to kill since most items can stack 5 or 20 times.
Yep. Again I suggest Auctioneer as your first add-on if you're hesitant
of them. I don't think anyone can truly remember all the vendor sale
values of the thousands (?) of items in the game, let alone the AH
values of things like Living Essence, which often make the vendor values
irrelevant. I really shouldn't be plugging this add-on since it's a
HUGE competitive advantage, but meh... I doubt too many players on my
realm are reading this newsgroup.
> > Being lost in an instance and at the mercy of the bossy and twitty 13
> > yr-old leading the way because he has Atlas and you don't.
>
> It would be great if you could zoom out more in the minimap. I get lost
> easily. I had a maze game in the very distant past where you could leave
> footprints. The killed mobs are kind of a footprint, but sometimes they
> respawn (especially after getting killed).
A large zoom-out along with minimap-notes (e.g. VanCleef here, exit
there, etc) would truly be great, and make Atlas superfluous. But I
doubt Blizz will do it, fearing that the increased radar would make it
too easy.
> > Not having all your spells/skills available since the default UI has
> > such limited toolbar space. Oh wait, Blizzard got a clue a few patches
> > ago, saw the excellence of the toolbar add-on concept, and incorporated
> > it into the standard UI. Nice!
>
> I am using one of the bars, but I filled it mainly with my trade skills
> and items like minor health potions (I am an Alchemist so I have lots of
> potions). I would like two additinal bars on the left (since that is
> where most of the action takes place).
You are making your own argument now for going out and getting the
Flexbar add-on or similar.
By shift-rolling the mousewheel and using the "hidden" toolbar behind
the main one for all my tradeskill/food/drink stuff (things *not* needed
in combat, ever) I've managed to make peace with full toolbar display of
the standard UI... no need for Flexbar just yet.
> Sometimes the chat window hides behind the extra buttons though..
Yep, an annoying bug that can't be blamed on add-ons.
> > I'm sure others can provide more examples.
> >
> > I do wish I could skip the add-ons altogether -- they are often buggy,
> > popping up error messages mid-screen (SortEnchant, Auctioneer, even
> > Atlas are big culprits), cutting into fps, and having various quirks
> > that a unified UI would not. But their utility is too great. Hopefully
> > Blizzard will incorporate more of the best ones into the UI.
>
> I will only download and install add-ons (that are allowed by Blizzard)
> if the game would otherwise become unplayable for me. Or if I wouldn't
> get invited to parties without the auto-buff macros.
There have only been a few select add-ons that have been banned by
Blizzard and deliberately broken by subsequent patches. The auto-travel
mod was one such target. There were also some mods that allowed
translating chat language to allow cross-faction communication,
something that Blizz is adamantly against. I can't think of any other
examples. Check out www.curse-gaming.com for more info and a great
store of add-ons too.
> I hope I didn't come over as a PITA, I am relatively new to this game
> and the addons seems somewhat evil to me still (they remind me of the
> trainers in old skool games). I will probably be forced to use them
> later on though.
Definitely not trainers (there are no infinite health or mana add-ons, I
assure you) but enhancements for all sorts of shortcomings of the
standard UI. In many places Blizz has just completely dropped the ball
and this is where it is picked up. If Blizzard didn't want us doing
this, there would be no LUA, no "Interface\Add-ons" folder, no "Add-ons"
configuration button in the character selection window, etc.
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Dagobert (34), Human mage Vaik (12), Night Elf rogue
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