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August 15, 2012 10:12:05 PM

Hey guys, this is my very first thread so I dont really know your usual format.

So thats the thing, im planning on building a new PC. Its main use will be gaming, and next year, for CAD (Electrical engineering student) and other educational tasks/programs alike.
Im not so constrained on the budget area, but I dont want to go ultra/extreme with this build. Im inclined to use AMD FX-8120 (which in my country competes with an i5-2310 pricewise) and therefore, the plan is to buy my hardware along that performance range. I really need extra cores for future threaded apps, but i dont want to go with a wallet-raping LGA2011 cpu. By the way, I am very educated on overclocking and cooling, so feel free to drop a few comments on your experience with OC'ed FX chips.

So, my questions:
Should I pick a faster Intel CPU for my academic needs?
Should I wait for AMD to release Piledriver FX?
If i choose to buy before piledriver, should I go with an ASUS M5A99X EVO or Gigabyte 990FXA UD3? (which are at about the same price)
Local retailers dont have such a great PSU variety, but I know of power consumption and I know i can make the right choice, but first I need to have the PSU. Hence the question, is Sentey worth it? I dont really trust their products, never tried their PSUs but i associate them with crappy pc Cases. Its almost my only choice today, if i could i would pick a Corsair one.


I live in Chile, by the way, so I cant rely on amazon, newegg or other sources. I can, however, get my hands on almost every item you suggest with a little traveling, so feel free to add links to your retailers. I will know how to find the item.

So thats it. Thanks everyone.
August 15, 2012 10:23:14 PM

Saludos desde Alemania!

For your needs, i highly recommend you to buy an i7 CPU, you will greatly benefit from having Hyper Threading.

Are you going to work with GPGPU demanding applications?
August 15, 2012 10:26:21 PM

No, not really.
You know, some basic engineering stuff. Mainly home and industrial circuitry diagrams. Nothing like 3D or giant mappings. Thats why I chose an FX cpu as intended buy, I dont really need a powerhouse CPU for that kind of tasks, but I still need the cores, and, for that price I prefer the 8 fx cores rather than a 4core i5 second gen.
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August 15, 2012 10:28:40 PM

azraa said:
No, not really.
You know, some basic engineering stuff. Mainly home and industrial circuitry diagrams. Nothing like 3D or giant mappings. Thats why I chose an FX cpu as intended buy, I dont really need a powerhouse CPU for that kind of tasks, but I still need the cores, and, for that price I prefer the 8 fx cores rather than a 4core i5 second gen.


Well... not because you have many cores mean you will have more performance, a i7 3930k (6 cores) without HT would destroy a overclocked (5Ghz if you want) FX 8150(8 cores)

can you get your hands on a 3570k?

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August 15, 2012 10:47:04 PM
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The FX 8120 will beat the locked i5 in rendering applications , and then you can overclock it for more performance anyway

Of the motherboards the ASUS has a better BIOS .
If you will only use one graphics card then the M5A97 evo will be cheaper and give you the same performance
August 16, 2012 12:03:19 AM

Oh well, thanks for that tip. Im actually like more having just 1 beefy card rather than xfire (im going to choose AMD for my graphics, hands down)

@aqualipt: Yeah i know Intel is far better for intensive FP unit processing, but again, an i7 is overkill for me. A i5-3570k is abou 100bucks more, but only gives me 4 cores. I really like that cpu for gaming, its just awesome, and i know for a fact that any Intel cpu will be better at encoding than a similarly priced amd chip. But in the OpenCL accelerated apps area... i dont really know. As far as I know, most of design and professional software works with app acceleration, which is known to be good in AMD.
Any comments on that anyone?
August 16, 2012 12:10:26 AM

azraa said:
Oh well, thanks for that tip. Im actually like more having just 1 beefy card rather than xfire (im going to choose AMD for my graphics, hands down)

@aqualipt: Yeah i know Intel is far better for intensive FP unit processing, but again, an i7 is overkill for me. A i5-3570k is abou 100bucks more, but only gives me 4 cores. I really like that cpu for gaming, its just awesome, and i know for a fact that any Intel cpu will be better at encoding than a similarly priced amd chip. But in the OpenCL accelerated apps area... i dont really know. As far as I know, most of design and professional software works with app acceleration, which is known to be good in AMD.
Any comments on that anyone?


Well...lets make you a build, what's your budget? is USD
August 16, 2012 12:30:54 AM

aqualipt said:
Well... not because you have many cores mean you will have more performance, a i7 3930k (6 cores) without HT would destroy a overclocked (5Ghz if you want) FX 8150(8 cores)

can you get your hands on a 3570k?



Maybe... I smashed a 2600k without HT in wprime with my BD...
August 16, 2012 12:54:59 AM

aqualipt said:
Well...lets make you a build, what's your budget? is USD


Currently I have about 1200 to 1300USD (Nearly 650.000 CLP) but any build you suggest for that money must be a bit inflated because retailers here are waaay more expensive than the one in the US. As an example, FX8120 costs about 240USD whereas in Newegg it costs 160USD ... quite a bit dont you think? For 1500 usd in the US you can go extreme, but here you only get mid range.

If you want to suggest some items to match the Chilean price, you can browse my nearest retailer
The conversion rate is simple, 1USD = 500CLP
August 16, 2012 1:13:25 AM

Outlander_04 said:
azraa if you are gaming at 1080p resolution and typical gamer quality settings the FX will probably give you higher FPS than the i5 anyway
Read this article , and the forum comments
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8...


I know you're right about that. I've spent years researching on tech and hardware, watching unboxings and benchmarks, and for gaming, im hands down sure that AMD is more than enough to max out every current game. Most of the time, the bottleneck is in the GPU.

@ your link, amazing info there, thanks. Not sure if the page is biased, but the performance of the 8120 was absolutely amazing, even while comparing against a more expensive CPU. Besides, as shown there, it smoked the 2600k in Photoshop, which i use quite often.
August 16, 2012 1:14:11 AM

zloginet said:
Maybe... I smashed a 2600k without HT in wprime with my BD...


Picture or it didn't happen and...even if it happened, who the hell uses a i7 for stuff like that with HT off???
August 16, 2012 1:20:56 AM

azraa said:
Currently I have about 1200 to 1300USD (Nearly 650.000 CLP) but any build you suggest for that money must be a bit inflated because retailers here are waaay more expensive than the one in the US. As an example, FX8120 costs about 240USD whereas in Newegg it costs 160USD ... quite a bit dont you think? For 1500 usd in the US you can go extreme, but here you only get mid range.

If you want to suggest some items to match the Chilean price, you can browse my nearest retailer
The conversion rate is simple, 1USD = 500CLP


Hmmm..then i guess i will have to make you a ~900$ rig.

CPU: AMD FX-8120 3.1GHz 8-Core Processor ($159.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 EVO ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($217.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($57.08 @ NCIX US)
Total: $869.53

August 16, 2012 1:46:36 AM

Thanks for the build, aqua. You guys make me jealous -.-
Here you can put your hands on a SSD for about double the price.
But I suppose you're right, about 1000k is the max to compare with your pricings.


Any word on my other questions? What about Sentey? Should I wait for Piledriver?

Thanks to everyone for your responses :D D
August 16, 2012 1:54:59 AM

azraa said:
Thanks for the build, aqua. You guys make me jealous -.-
Here you can put your hands on a SSD for about double the price.
But I suppose you're right, about 1000k is the max to compare with your pricings.


Any word on my other questions? What about Sentey? Should I wait for Piledriver?

Thanks to everyone for your responses :D D


*Sentey is low-mid quality

*IMO...both Bulldozer and Piledriver suck, a FX 8150 gets outperformed almost always by a i7 950 (4 years old CPU) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/100?vs=434 and even if piledrive performs 20% better than bulldozer i will not touch sandy or ivy bridge and it will not be competition for haswell.
August 16, 2012 2:16:39 AM

aqualipt said:
*Sentey is low-mid quality

*IMO...both Bulldozer and Piledriver suck, a FX 8150 gets outperformed almost always by a i7 950 (4 years old CPU) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/100?vs=434 and even if piledrive performs 20% better than bulldozer i will not touch sandy or ivy bridge and it will not be competition for haswell.



The anandtech benchmarks are probably the least useful of any on the web. Some times their system set ups are surprising .

You could look at the comparisons on this site
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-hotfix-bu...
you will see the margins between the FX 8150 and 2500k are actually very small .
In some benchmarks , particularly poorly threaded applications the intel wins , but in others the AMD has a clear lead

The FX 8120 with a mild OC to 8150 speeds is great value .

And since win 8 thread scheduling may increase performance of BD by as much as 15% , and piledriver has a good speed boost over BD theres every chance PD will be outperforming IB in some benches too .
Possibly by a very good margin


August 16, 2012 2:21:12 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The anandtech benchmarks are probably the least useful of any on the web. Some times their system set ups are surprising .

You could look at the comparisons on this site
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-hotfix-bu...
you will see the margins between the FX 8150 and 2500k are actually very small .
In some benchmarks , particularly poorly threaded applications the intel wins , but in others the AMD has a clear lead

The FX 8120 with a mild OC to 8150 speeds is great value .

And since win 8 thread scheduling may increase performance of BD by as much as 15% , and piledriver has a good speed boost over BD theres every chance PD will be outperforming IB in some benches too .
Possibly by a very good margin



no offense but you seem to be a AMD fanboy.... anyways, i couldnt care less about brands, i only care about what offers more performance and Intel (at this time) offers more performance than AMD in most applications.
August 16, 2012 2:39:27 AM

aqualipt said:
no offense but you seem to be a AMD fanboy.... anyways, i couldnt care less about brands, i only care about what offers more performance and Intel (at this time) offers more performance than AMD in most applications.


Thats exactly what I'd expect from an intel fanboy

Have a nice day
August 16, 2012 2:44:32 AM

Outlander_04 said:
Thats exactly what I'd expect from an intel fanboy

Have a nice day


look, i am not a fanboy, i don't have the time or the desire to be so.

on the other hand... you always spread wonders about how "good" AMD is when they clearly suck (ATM)
August 16, 2012 3:03:37 AM

We all know Intel outperforms AMD in almost every scenario, but I cant just go on the best choice because of money. All these years saving money and investigating about hardware benchmarks made me very conscient of price/performance ratio and honestly, if I had to choose between FX8120 and i5-2310... thats why I asked about AM3+ motherboards.

Now, I know very well that I could go for a i5 3570k, a wonderful processor in almost every aspect, but I will have to buy a lesser graphics card, which goes against one of the main purposes of my platform, gaming.

I dont really get fanboyism. I use whats best for my pocket and the apps that I commonly use. I cant get Ivy Bridge. I can get a 2500k for a bit more, but still the improvement is marginal and I get only 4 (really efficient, I know) cores. FX is far better in CS Photoshop for the price. Intel is better transcoding and with general numbermunching apps. I havent seen any benchmarks for AutoCAD yet.

IDK, just dont fight over amd vs intel pleeeease
August 16, 2012 3:11:06 AM

aqualipt said:
Saludos desde Alemania!

For your needs, i highly recommend you to buy an i7 CPU, you will greatly benefit from having Hyper Threading.

Are you going to work with GPGPU demanding applications?


he only needs a gaming cpu. as an engineer let alone a student, he will not be doing anything engineering wise that will need any cpu power at all.

azraa said:
No, not really.
You know, some basic engineering stuff. Mainly home and industrial circuitry diagrams. Nothing like 3D or giant mappings. Thats why I chose an FX cpu as intended buy, I dont really need a powerhouse CPU for that kind of tasks, but I still need the cores, and, for that price I prefer the 8 fx cores rather than a 4core i5 second gen.


engineering stuff that you will be doing will run on anything almost.
August 16, 2012 3:14:03 AM

aqualipt said:
look, i am not a fanboy, i don't have the time or the desire to be so.

on the other hand... you always spread wonders about how "good" AMD is when they clearly suck (ATM)


I dont mind taking a bit of time to explain things to those of you who have failed to understand the real issues involved
August 16, 2012 3:18:10 AM

Outlander_04 said:
I dont mind taking a bit of time to explain things to those of you who have failed to understand the real issues involved


oooh shut up AMD fanboy, Intel is simply superior to AMD in every way, get over it and stop typing BS
August 16, 2012 3:25:01 AM

aqualipt said:
oooh shut up AMD fanboy, Intel is simply superior to AMD in every way, get over it and stop typing BS



how long have you been 14?
August 16, 2012 3:33:32 AM

Outlander_04 said:
how long have you been 14?


14?? i am 28 i dont tell me that i am behaving childish because i am simply pointing out facts.

Anyways... as i said before, i don't the desire to debate about something that i know its true (i have profs)
August 16, 2012 3:44:55 AM

I see no difference in attitude between the two of you. Arguing for a stupid reason. It is quite simple: AMD is best for rendering and Intel is best for gaming. End of discussion.
August 16, 2012 3:49:31 AM

azeem40 said:
I see no difference in attitude between the two of you. Arguing for a stupid reason. It is quite simple: AMD is best for rendering and Intel is best for gaming. End of discussion.


AMD is best for rendering??? come on bro.... you know thats not true.

Btw, you exactly the guy i was looking for, i need your help in something, check your messages in a bit.
August 16, 2012 3:55:00 AM

According to the CPU-world benchmarks I read, AMD does pull out ahead in rendering.
August 16, 2012 8:44:37 AM

azeem40 said:
I see no difference in attitude between the two of you. Arguing for a stupid reason. It is quite simple: AMD is best for rendering and Intel is best for gaming. End of discussion.


Actually Azeem the situation is not that simple .
In the link I published before
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8...
a build using a 2600K with a 6950 is run against a FX 8150 and the same 6950.
They use only DX 10 or 11 games , and play at 1080p and typical gamer image quality settings .
The FX is a clear winner .


Any suggestion the AMD is not worth considering really needs a poster to close their mind to actual benchmark results , and pricing . IMO the FX 8120 is excellent value compared to the locked intel i5's . With a bit of tweaking its going to smoke any of them in pretty much every situation
August 16, 2012 2:57:14 PM

Outlander_04 said:
Actually Azeem the situation is not that simple .
In the link I published before
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8...
a build using a 2600K with a 6950 is run against a FX 8150 and the same 6950.
They use only DX 10 or 11 games , and play at 1080p and typical gamer image quality settings .
The FX is a clear winner .


Any suggestion the AMD is not worth considering really needs a poster to close their mind to actual benchmark results , and pricing . IMO the FX 8120 is excellent value compared to the locked intel i5's . With a bit of tweaking its going to smoke any of them in pretty much every situation


this is the worst review comparison i have ever seen. you should be embarrassed to have posted it, honestly. First they used all know gpu bottlenecked games and still the better cpu still lost by a none negligible amount? i call bull ***, no way the i7 doesnt at least tie in that game.

but its all right recommend a cpu that bottlenecks gpus in games like battlefield.
August 16, 2012 6:42:15 PM

cbrunnem said:
this is the worst review comparison i have ever seen. you should be embarrassed to have posted it, honestly. First they used all know gpu bottlenecked games and still the better cpu still lost by a none negligible amount? i call bull ***, no way the i7 doesnt at least tie in that game.

but its all right recommend a cpu that bottlenecks gpus in games like battlefield.


Wrong

If the games were gpu limited then the two processor architectures would produce identical frame rates .
They dont
Bulldozer gives higher fps almost everywhere

You should be embarrassed for not having considered the actual situation nor having any original thought before posting
August 16, 2012 6:43:52 PM

Outlander_04 said:
Actually Azeem the situation is not that simple .
In the link I published before
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8...
a build using a 2600K with a 6950 is run against a FX 8150 and the same 6950.
They use only DX 10 or 11 games , and play at 1080p and typical gamer image quality settings .
The FX is a clear winner .


Any suggestion the AMD is not worth considering really needs a poster to close their mind to actual benchmark results , and pricing . IMO the FX 8120 is excellent value compared to the locked intel i5's . With a bit of tweaking its going to smoke any of them in pretty much every situation

I was under the impression that you were saying the 8120 is better than the i5-2500k. my bad.
August 16, 2012 6:50:40 PM

Outlander_04 said:
Wrong

If the games were gpu limited then the two processor architectures would produce identical frame rates .
They dont
Bulldozer gives higher fps almost everywhere

You should be embarrassed for not having considered the actual situation nor having any original thought before posting


you are an idiot for thinking bulldozer is better. let me let you in on a secret, its not better
August 16, 2012 6:56:07 PM

cbrunnem said:
you are an idiot for thinking bulldozer is better. let me let you in on a secret, its not better


you are an idiot for thinking a head to head comparison at typical gamer settings using the same graphics card is "the worst review ever"

Nothing could be fairer than making that comparison .
So your intel fanboyism took a hit . Get over it .

It just doesnt matter the intel will run higher fps at low image details on a tiny monitor . No one actually does that unless theyre a moron
August 16, 2012 7:03:26 PM

Outlander_04 said:
you are an idiot for thinking a head to head comparison at typical gamer settings using the same graphics card is "the worst review ever"

Nothing could be fairer than making that comparison .
So your intel fanboyism took a hit . Get over it .

It just doesnt matter the intel will run higher fps at low image details on a tiny monitor . No one actually does that unless theyre a moron


arguing with idiots is a loosing battle. they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

so tell me this, for gaming what is better an i5 or a fx. if money didnt matter?
August 16, 2012 7:18:56 PM

cbrunnem said:
arguing with idiots is a loosing battle. they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

so tell me this, for gaming what is better an i5 or a fx. if money didnt matter?



If you are playing multi core aware DX 10 or 11 games
which is pretty much every new game from now on
then the BD architecture is at least as good as anything intel produces

Buy whichever is better value and suits your needs

The only other bit of advice I will give today is that its a mistake to listen to intel fanboy rants .
You know , people who think head to head comparisons between cpu's at typical gamer settings are unfair .....because the intel didnt win

August 17, 2012 1:27:24 AM

Why always in this kind of topics, come up the 'enthusiast' and 'leet gamerz' with their crap about Intel.

I get it, Intel makes the best performing chips. Its a fact, sure, but you gotta pick what you need. I see no brains in wasting money on an extreme build, if your usage will be mid range.


In other words: we dont need an overpriced Intel for gaming. If you do, its your choice, but sometimes, people want to pick the best price/performance, and you like it or not, that badge goes to AMD very often in the mid range (8120 vs locked i5, as example)

I have what I needed, the tips about Sentey, about the mobo and if a 8120 was OK for my workloads, and thanks.


Please mods, CT.
Cheers c:
August 17, 2012 1:32:34 AM

azraa said:
Please mods, CT.
Cheers c:


you have to close it by selecting a best answer, lol
August 17, 2012 3:33:54 AM

Best answer selected by azraa.
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