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August 16, 2012 1:30:01 AM

Hey, I am new to building computers :hello:  and I am looking to build one for myself for mostly gaming use mainly because I have heard that building your own is in fact less expensive than buying one from Dell or some other big company. I am looking to start PC gaming because I am frankly fed up with Sony and the PS3 for many reasons :pfff:  but that is beside the point. I need to be able to play ArmA II and preferably ArmA III when it comes out. So I am in need of everyone's help because I have no idea what is compatible with what and whether the components will work for what I am looking to use the PC for. I will be using Steam for most games (not sure if that will mean anything :kaola:  ) I am hoping to keep the cost to under $800 as I am only 16 and cash is a little tight since I only make $9.50/hr. but a little more might be okay if it is necessary. So without further adieu....here is what I am planning on buying component wise:


Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955
Computer Case:Cooler Master RC-343-KKN1 Elite 343 Mini Tower Case - Micro ATX
Video Card: VisionTek 900431 Radeon HD 5770 Video Card - 1GB
Power Supply: Cooler Master RS850-AMBAJ3-US Silent Pro M 850W
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD10EALX Caviar Blue Hard Drive - 1TB, 3.5"
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium-64 bit
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-S2P AMD 760 Motherboard - Micro ATX
RAM: Patriot PGD316G1333ELK Gamer 2 Series Desktop Memory Kit - 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Monitor: LG E1942C-BN 19" Class Widescreen LED Backlit Monitor

I tried to be as specific as possible these are all available on tigertirect.ca let me know if I am missing anything or if something doesn't work or just comments in general.


P.S. I need to be able to connect to wireless internet not sure if the motherboard I am looking at integrates that or not. please let me know.

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August 16, 2012 2:11:44 AM

Your build is imbalanced and there are some things you could cut.

For $800, I'd get this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($142.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($217.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One Illusion ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 600W ATX12V Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $833.33
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-15 22:24 EDT-0400)

(The extra $30 is worth it.)

Then add this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 16, 2012 2:16:03 AM

For starters where do you live? is there a microcenter near by? do you need a monitor, an os? what is your monitor res? from what i do know from you thy this build:

i5 3570K 3.4GHz - 230$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock Z77 extreme 4 - 135$ or asrock z77 pro3 if not overclocking/sli- 95$

extreme 4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

pro3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 8GB DDR3-1600 - 50$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7,200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5 - 70$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Builder series 500 Watt - 55$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


HAF912 Mid Tower ATX Computer Case- 60$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Windows 7 64 bit - $100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




Samsung 22X DVD±RW Burner - $17

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


HIS H687FN1GD Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card 160$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814161389

This build with os=876$ without os = 776

If you live near a microcenter it will be cheaper and you will be able to get a tab bitter graphics card... Also i don't include a monitor but if needed maybe you could pick a cheap 110$ one on sale and still come in around budget maybe a little over.

To get wifi on a low end build you just need to buy a cheap wireless adapter like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



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August 16, 2012 2:33:18 AM

Well I live In Canada and I will likely be using my Sharp TV as a monitor and I will need an os (probably windows 7) sorry if any of this is totally ridiculous i am totally new as I said before
August 16, 2012 2:39:34 AM

coopthesnoop said:
Well I live In Canada and I will likely be using my Sharp TV as a monitor and I will need an os (probably windows 7) sorry if any of this is totally ridiculous i am totally new as I said before


No problem, here:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.25 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.88 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($204.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec One Illusion ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair 600W ATX12V Power Supply ($62.57 @ DirectCanada)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($98.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $831.64
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-15 22:38 EDT-0400)

Add this:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

You can still upgrade this into an i5 if you want.

You should be able to play ARMA 2/3 on a lower setting. (If you want more performance out of this, upgrade to an i5 but do not cut on the graphics card.)
August 16, 2012 2:49:36 AM

Hey bro, check your messages, i left a compilation of guides and tips on how to build your pc that will be very useful for you, check them out here---> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum//forum1f.php?config=t...

as for the build, buy this and nothing else:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($56.50 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($217.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($57.08 @ NCIX US)
Total: $823.58

August 16, 2012 2:52:34 AM

aqualipt said:
Hey bro, check your messages, i left a compilation of guides and tips on how to build your pc that will be very useful for you, check them out here---> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum//forum1f.php?config=t...

as for the build, buy this and nothing else:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($56.50 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($217.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($57.08 @ NCIX US)
Total: $823.58


add 100$ for an os that means he is way over budget
August 16, 2012 2:55:14 AM

Spicy_benie said:
add 100$ for an os that means he is way over budget


sht...
August 16, 2012 3:39:05 AM

And you don't have to have a supremacy-type attitude. It's not like you're god and all your builds are better than others.
August 16, 2012 3:40:38 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/eKE6

Im in the same boat as you, parts in canada are overpriced and hard to find. May I ask what city?

Basically you want to make a list of CPUs and GPUs in order of priority. from there, make a selection.

I'm also like you, im new to steam. I used to game strictly on my PS3 but i switched to steam. trust me, you wont be happier. The deals are unbelivable. They recently had a summer sale, and games like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty, etc sell for 75% off! The initial fee of a computer is high, but you save a ton on games. Plus they look and run better.

I would try your best to up your budget as much as you can. In the build above, everything is good except for the CPU. Its an FX-4100 which was on sale. This is still a good CPU, don't get me wrong. It's fast and its a quad-core. But a 2500K or 3570K will be much better for your needs. This will be more money though. The Motherboard will be about $50 more, the CPU $100-120, and you will need a CPU cooler to overclock (than again the FX-4100 needs one.)

Is it worth the extra funds?
That's up to you to decide. I personally do not think so considering you could get hundreds of dollars worth of games for that much, or work 10+ hours less.

You could also opt for a cheaper GPU and a i5 processor if you want.

All in all, i think that's a solid build for a mainly-gaming build.

If you want to spend a little more to get more CPU power, head for either a 4170 (+20), 6200 (+50) or 8120 (+50).

And than add a CPU Cooler and OC away!

I think AMD is the best route for your budget.


(Better CPU Less GPU -> http://pcpartpicker.com/p/eKKU)

Good Luck!
August 16, 2012 6:29:39 AM

mastrom101 said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/eKE6

Im in the same boat as you, parts in canada are overpriced and hard to find. May I ask what city?

Basically you want to make a list of CPUs and GPUs in order of priority. from there, make a selection.

I'm also like you, im new to steam. I used to game strictly on my PS3 but i switched to steam. trust me, you wont be happier. The deals are unbelivable. They recently had a summer sale, and games like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty, etc sell for 75% off! The initial fee of a computer is high, but you save a ton on games. Plus they look and run better.

I would try your best to up your budget as much as you can. In the build above, everything is good except for the CPU. Its an FX-4100 which was on sale. This is still a good CPU, don't get me wrong. It's fast and its a quad-core. But a 2500K or 3570K will be much better for your needs. This will be more money though. The Motherboard will be about $50 more, the CPU $100-120, and you will need a CPU cooler to overclock (than again the FX-4100 needs one.)

Is it worth the extra funds?
That's up to you to decide. I personally do not think so considering you could get hundreds of dollars worth of games for that much, or work 10+ hours less.

You could also opt for a cheaper GPU and a i5 processor if you want.

All in all, i think that's a solid build for a mainly-gaming build.

If you want to spend a little more to get more CPU power, head for either a 4170 (+20), 6200 (+50) or 8120 (+50).

And than add a CPU Cooler and OC away!

I think AMD is the best route for your budget.


(Better CPU Less GPU -> http://pcpartpicker.com/p/eKKU)

Good Luck!




Hey thanks a lot. I think that may be do-able with a little more saving. and I'm from Regina so there's not a whole lot of places in town to get parts. Thanks to everyone else too I expected my thread to get lost in the sea of threads :kaola:  I just can't take the constant freezing, crashes and later release dates that come with the PS3.
August 16, 2012 6:38:17 AM

Why are you getting 16gb of ram? Firstly you don't need that much and for a micro tax board it just doesn't match really :/  I would recommend getting a larger case of a larger mobo and 8gb of ram. Plus you won't need 800watts of power! Lol It's not a BAD build just unbalanced...
August 16, 2012 3:09:58 PM

coopthesnoop said:
Hey thanks a lot. I think that may be do-able with a little more saving. and I'm from Regina so there's not a whole lot of places in town to get parts. Thanks to everyone else too I expected my thread to get lost in the sea of threads :kaola:  I just can't take the constant freezing, crashes and later release dates that come with the PS3.


Yah the freezing upsets me. i most likely will not purchase a PS4.

Also don't rush your purchase. With the 560Ti out today, prices are beginning to fall. The 7870 has fell a little bit, and with the 7950GHz the 7950 will fall, which will probably result in a price drop on the 7870 and 7850. Also, 670's and last-gen 560(Ti)'s should come down in price as well. However, this is only a prediction, not a guarantee.

Good Luck
August 16, 2012 5:08:41 PM

mastrom101 said:
Yah the freezing upsets me. i most likely will not purchase a PS4.

Also don't rush your purchase. With the 560Ti out today, prices are beginning to fall. The 7870 has fell a little bit, and with the 7950GHz the 7950 will fall, which will probably result in a price drop on the 7870 and 7850. Also, 670's and last-gen 560(Ti)'s should come down in price as well. However, this is only a prediction, not a guarantee.

Good Luck



assuming you mean 660ti? :pt1cable: 
August 16, 2012 6:52:31 PM

I'd suggest going with anything on socket 1155 over the AMD motherboard, AMD is more or less dead and intel pretty heavily outpeforms it. If possible, save up and get that build that aqualipt posted. Windows 7 has a 30 day trial if you didn't know, could always build it then finish your windows later.
August 16, 2012 7:05:09 PM

Spicy_benie said:
assuming you mean 660ti? :pt1cable: 


Yes I meant the 660Ti

@farsuka I do agree intel CPU's are better, but AMD are not terrible. For the price, they perform well, and I think for a gaming PC a better GPU will be better than a better CPU.

However, If you have the money, I would opt for a 2500(K) or 3570(K). There is a performance gain on these chips.

If you can't manage to get one of those, then the i3-2120 or FX-4170 are good choices.
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