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August 12, 2012 8:23:00 PM

Hey Guys, im sorry if this is the wrong place for this thread, I'm new :p  move it if it is, but i was wondering
its my birthday soon and im getting a gaming computer, I'm not very good with computers so i was wondering, would these specs run the next 24 games with decent fps, if so name the game with the specs... please

Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 + Multiplayer
Call of Duty: World at War
Garry's Mod
Garry's Mod 13 Beta
Grand Theft Auto IV
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Half-Life 2 + Ep 1 + Ep 2 + Lost Coast
Midnight Club II
Portal
Portal 2
Saints Row 2
Saints Row: The Third
Team Fortress 2
Team Fortress 2 Beta



My main Concern is Would It Run Grand Theft Auto IV With Decent FPS with decent graphics. OH I FORGOT here are the specs.


Intel Core i5 2550K Quad Core PC Gaming Computer 8GB 1TB ATI RADEON HD6450 1GB
3.4GHz | 1TB HDD | DVDRW | 3 Year Warranty | 500W PSU

Get back soon to me soon please! :D  :pt1cable: 


PS. Remember, if i put this is the wrong section, move it for me! :D 

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August 12, 2012 8:25:58 PM

The graphics card is extremely old and cheap, i would avoid that system personally.
August 12, 2012 8:26:02 PM

That is a scam, not a gaming computer. The graphics card isn't suitable for gaming at all even though it's pretty new, it was made for movies and internet, not games. What is your budget? We'll find you a better deal. Also mention where you are from!
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August 12, 2012 8:26:13 PM

sorry, i mean name the game with the FPS it will get! :D 
August 12, 2012 8:26:52 PM

my budget is £500
August 12, 2012 8:27:56 PM

Yes, England and the computer must be within the hour of the DA3 Postcode
August 12, 2012 8:28:33 PM

And which country are you from? UK?
August 12, 2012 8:29:53 PM

In this site you can make different configurations:
http://www.cclonline.com/page/customise/CCL-EL-KST2/wit...

Make this configuration, it should cost 503 pounds:
Quote:
Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual Core Processor
2x Transcend Jet Ram 4GB Memory Module PC3-10600 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
MSI H61M-P31 (G3) Socket 1155 Motherboard
1TB CCL Choice SATA III Hard Drive
CCL Choice AMD Radeon HD 6770 1GB
Samsung DVD RW SH-222BB/BEBE 22x SATA Black
Bos Mid Tower Case - Black/Silver
XFX Pro 450W Power Supply Unit (Core Edition)
CarePack - 2 Year Return to Base
TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps Wireless Lite N PCI Express Adaptor
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (SP1)
August 12, 2012 8:30:49 PM

Im not sure about shops in your postcode but what i will say is do not buy that system.
August 12, 2012 8:31:40 PM

well, would you do me the favour of finding me one that within the hour of my postcode?
August 12, 2012 8:35:06 PM

To get the best deals youre looking at online retailers, is that not an option for you charlie?
August 12, 2012 8:39:13 PM

its an option, but it needs to be able to pay in cash, and it must be within 50 miles of my postcode (DA3)
August 12, 2012 8:39:59 PM

what about this, it might not tell you alot but
POWERFUL & FAST 64 BIT GAMING MACHINE
DUAL CORE INTEL XEON TOWER DESKTOP PC COMPUTER
BRAND NEW ATI RADEON HD5450 1GB DEDICATED GRAPHICS CARD INSTALLED!!!
MASSIVE 2TB (2000GB) HARD DRIVE
HUGE 8GB RAM!!!
DVD WRITER INSTALLED (WRITE TO DVD OR CD'S)
GENUINE WINDOWS 7 PROFESSIONAL (64 BIT) INSTALLED WITH DVD.

(copied and pasted)
August 12, 2012 8:42:26 PM

That isn't a gaming machine either. Could you give me a list of websites that are near your postcode? I might be able to find something.
August 12, 2012 8:43:24 PM

Ebay lool. uhm, ill see give me 5 minutes:) 
August 12, 2012 8:47:20 PM

3.6GHz AMD FX-4100 4-Core CPU
Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Motherboard
AMD ATI Radeon HD 6450 1GB Graphics Card
1TB (1000GB) Sata III Hard Drive
8GB Crucial Ballistix 1333MHz RAM
CIT Blue Vantage Gaming Case
Basic 500W PSU
24x DVD-RW Optical Drive
i found this, i dont know bout you but it sounds decent! :D 
August 12, 2012 8:48:15 PM

also how can i find gaming computer websites near my Postcode?
August 12, 2012 8:51:35 PM

That computer would not even launch GTA 4..

I don't know, you keep pulling machines from somewhere. I tried googling your post code, and google said it doesn't exist. You should know some local shops, don't you?
August 12, 2012 8:56:05 PM

PC world
August 12, 2012 9:00:18 PM

try find one from there
August 12, 2012 9:01:51 PM

Near Dartford right?

Go to any local PC store and tell them to give you a quote on a Phenom x4 965, Asus M5A97, 8GB of Kingston 1600MHz RAM CAS 9, a Sapphire OC 7870 and a Corsair CX 600 v2 in a HAF 912 Plus or advanced model. That will push all the games you listed to between High or Max.
August 12, 2012 9:02:06 PM

No no! Remove the address! Just keep the city!
August 12, 2012 9:02:43 PM

see im not too good with computers, im only 13 so,, but please try find me one, it needs to be under £500 and within a 50 mile radius! please find me one! :( 
August 12, 2012 9:04:13 PM

Also, that PC world has nothing in stock in terms of gaming PCs. Is there a reason you cannot buy online?
August 12, 2012 9:07:50 PM

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August 12, 2012 9:11:01 PM

Quote:
Near Dartford right?

Go to any local PC store and tell them to give you a quote on a Phenom x4 965, Asus M5A97, 8GB of Kingston 1600MHz RAM CAS 9, a Sapphire OC 7870 and a Corsair CX 600 v2 in a HAF 912 Plus or advanced model. That will push all the games you listed to between High or Max.



Thanks Smeg45 but will they be under £500?
August 12, 2012 9:26:25 PM

No I doubt it. But still, I can't really give you a deal without computer shops. But I can tell you what you should look for.

1. At that budget level, you want either Intel i3 or i5 processor. Don't get AMD ones!
2. You want a quality power supply, which generally means from these brands: Corsair, Antec, Seasonic and XFX. Don't be fooled with other brands like Cooler master, as they make only power supply shaped objects that you better not plug to the wall with electricity!
3. For the graphics card, you want something at HD 6770 level or above. To find out graphics card level, go to this website: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-revi...(the higher card is listed, the better it is).
4. You want at least 4 GB of memory.
5. You want 64 bit windows 7.
6. You want ATX Mid Tower size case.

Now, print this list, print the graphics hierarchy chart and go to local PC store to get a deal. Remember to look at the performance of graphics card they are offering!
August 12, 2012 9:59:07 PM

Quote:
Thanks Smeg45 but will they be under £500?


It would be around £600, but it will last for a long while yet due to the strong GPU. You don't want an i3, its only dual core and the 965 is a full fat quad core. More games want quad and the i3's speed advantage is disappearing. At that budget you can't suqeeze in an i5. Too many compromises.
August 12, 2012 10:24:25 PM

Go order from OCuk and you will get the best deals outta them. If you are afraid to build a PC, just make sure you have someone building it for you. Which even mean you have to pay with paypal. Buying from OCuk is much easier than looking for 'gaming PCs' at your local store because untrusted sellers trick customers on a 'gaming PC'. They say it is a gaming PC, but it wouldn't run those 24 game at an acceptable quality settings. And I'm somewhat sure, no matter how hard you look for a 'gaming PC' in your local store, you will see the same result. The PC would come with HTPC GPUs (Graphics card for watchinh movies and surf the internet only, no gaming), If you can get something like Sunius suggested, cool. But I am not sure if you can get it or not. So I would suggest buying from OCUK Here is what I recommend:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...
intel Dual Core i3-2120 3.30Ghz Processor £90
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Cooler £27
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB...
ASRock H77 Pro4-M LGA 1155 Motherboard £68
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...
Corsair Low Profile Venegance Memory Dual-Channel 1600Mhz 2x4GB RAM £36
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...
MSI Power Edition AMD HD 7770 Ghz Radeon Overclocked PCI-E Graphics card £110
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...
Corsair Builder Series CX500 500W Power Supply 80+ Plus £50
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD...
Seagate 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6GB Hard Drive £70
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD...
LG DVD Rewriter 24x Drive £19
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...
NZXT Source 210 Mid Tower Case £27

£497 Subtotal :)  Good Luck!
August 13, 2012 12:26:54 PM

Quote:
Go order from OCuk and you will get the best deals outta them. If you are afraid to build a PC, just make sure you have someone building it for you. Which even mean you have to pay with paypal. Buying from OCuk is much easier than looking for 'gaming PCs' at your local store because untrusted sellers trick customers on a 'gaming PC'. They say it is a gaming PC, but it wouldn't run those 24 game at an acceptable quality settings. And I'm somewhat sure, no matter how hard you look for a 'gaming PC' in your local store, you will see the same result. The PC would come with HTPC GPUs (Graphics card for watchinh movies and surf the internet only, no gaming), If you can get something like Sunius suggested, cool. But I am not sure if you can get it or not. So I would suggest buying from OCUK Here is what I recommend:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...
intel Dual Core i3-2120 3.30Ghz Processor £90
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Cooler £27
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB...
ASRock H77 Pro4-M LGA 1155 Motherboard £68
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...
Corsair Low Profile Venegance Memory Dual-Channel 1600Mhz 2x4GB RAM £36
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...
MSI Power Edition AMD HD 7770 Ghz Radeon Overclocked PCI-E Graphics card £110
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...
Corsair Builder Series CX500 500W Power Supply 80+ Plus £50
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD...
Seagate 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6GB Hard Drive £70
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD...
LG DVD Rewriter 24x Drive £19
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...
NZXT Source 210 Mid Tower Case £27

£497 Subtotal :)  Good Luck!



Im Sorry, you may have mis-read, i need to be able to pay in cash and it must be within a 50 mile radius of my postcode (DA3)
August 13, 2012 9:19:54 PM

Quote:
Go order from OCuk and you will get the best deals outta them. If you are afraid to build a PC, just make sure you have someone building it for you. Which even mean you have to pay with paypal. Buying from OCuk is much easier than looking for 'gaming PCs' at your local store because untrusted sellers trick customers on a 'gaming PC'. They say it is a gaming PC, but it wouldn't run those 24 game at an acceptable quality settings. And I'm somewhat sure, no matter how hard you look for a 'gaming PC' in your local store, you will see the same result. The PC would come with HTPC GPUs (Graphics card for watchinh movies and surf the internet only, no gaming), If you can get something like Sunius suggested, cool. But I am not sure if you can get it or not. So I would suggest buying from OCUK Here is what I recommend:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...
intel Dual Core i3-2120 3.30Ghz Processor £90
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Cooler £27
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB...
ASRock H77 Pro4-M LGA 1155 Motherboard £68
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...
Corsair Low Profile Venegance Memory Dual-Channel 1600Mhz 2x4GB RAM £36
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...
MSI Power Edition AMD HD 7770 Ghz Radeon Overclocked PCI-E Graphics card £110
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...
Corsair Builder Series CX500 500W Power Supply 80+ Plus £50
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD...
Seagate 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6GB Hard Drive £70
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD...
LG DVD Rewriter 24x Drive £19
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...
NZXT Source 210 Mid Tower Case £27

£497 Subtotal :)  Good Luck!


Refillable, you are a lifesaver, my dad has asked his mate to buy and build this for me!:D  he said yeah!.... but, will this run GTA IV on decent FPS and is this a gaming computer... Also, people tell me not to trust Cooler master but ohwell,!
August 13, 2012 9:27:15 PM

It should should run great. Cooler master is good in cases and cooling... Though other products like power supplies suck.
August 13, 2012 10:44:01 PM

The 7770 will choke on GTA 4, my 6870 barely gets decent settings on High, the Core i3 will choke up as GTA 4 needs a quad, and future games will especially require quads, and the mobo is a cheapo flimsy offering that I wouldn't use. There is no point in buying an i3 now and upgrading later, its a false economy.
August 14, 2012 6:55:56 AM

what is problem with cooler master? i intend to buy cooler master silent pro m2 1000w psu and possibly hang 2 gtx 690 on it
http://focus.sk/product.asp?ID=27130

thank you
revro
August 14, 2012 11:35:50 AM

Their lower end power supplies tend to be bad of bad quality and not deliver promised wattages, however, Silent pro series are good.

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The 7770 will choke on GTA 4, my 6870 barely gets decent settings on High, the Core i3 will choke up as GTA 4 needs a quad, and future games will especially require quads, and the mobo is a cheapo flimsy offering that I wouldn't use. There is no point in buying an i3 now and upgrading later, its a false economy.


Just because it's not i5 it doesn't mean it will run on 1 fps. It will be more than playable with adequate settings. That's the best his budget allows, and if it will allow him to play it, why shouldn't he buy it?
August 14, 2012 12:18:09 PM

what amd phemon II x4 840 or 965 asrock n68-s3 motherboard and 4 gb dd3 kingston
nvidia gtx 560 and corsair cx 600 psu
August 14, 2012 2:33:55 PM

Dude... Not sure about GTAIV but other games will run fine really. Not a fan of those games :) .

Oh yes, smeg45, you're well. Pretty wrong. GTAIV (from the information I collected, not sure it is true or not), it is not a game optimized for PC, so even a 7970/680 wouldn't run it at highest settings(again CMIIW). But, at least it gets you a good stable 30fps+ at medium settings. So, you suggest him to advise against the i3? Then what do you want to advise? i5? Way outta budget. FX-41xx? Nonono. i3 is honestly enough with it's 2 core, because, it's one core performance is great and if you say you need a quad in the future, you can upgrade to i5/i7 quads as the motherboard has an LGA 1155 socket :) , an i3 is what is in his budget right now. For the motherboard... it's fine. It's a lower end motherboard but not a 'flimsy cheap' motherboard. The parts I suggest is a true economy :) .

As for the OP, good luck on the purchase and building process. Hope you get a good finishing build.

Also, as for the cooler master Question, many has explained already. It is good on cooler and cases, and high end PSUs. People just say it is not good in Lower end PSUs, not all Cooler Master Product is bad. I personally use that cooler and it gets my CPU temperature at 30C-50C and it is really silent.
August 14, 2012 5:35:33 PM

@refillable: GTA IV isn't that hard to max out, I max it out with GTX 560 Ti @ 60 fps and 70% GPU usage, but it's very hard on CPU. But still i3 should cope with it just fine! It's 2008 game after all, and i3-2120 is as strong as i5s from that era.
August 14, 2012 9:09:42 PM

Quote:
Dude... Not sure about GTAIV but other games will run fine really. Not a fan of those games :) .

Oh yes, smeg45, you're well. Pretty wrong. GTAIV (from the information I collected, not sure it is true or not), it is not a game optimized for PC, so even a 7970/680 wouldn't run it at highest settings(again CMIIW). But, at least it gets you a good stable 30fps+ at medium settings. So, you suggest him to advise against the i3? Then what do you want to advise? i5? Way outta budget. FX-41xx? Nonono. i3 is honestly enough with it's 2 core, because, it's one core performance is great and if you say you need a quad in the future, you can upgrade to i5/i7 quads as the motherboard has an LGA 1155 socket :) , an i3 is what is in his budget right now. For the motherboard... it's fine. It's a lower end motherboard but not a 'flimsy cheap' motherboard. The parts I suggest is a true economy :) .

As for the OP, good luck on the purchase and building process. Hope you get a good finishing build.

Also, as for the cooler master Question, many has explained already. It is good on cooler and cases, and high end PSUs. People just say it is not good in Lower end PSUs, not all Cooler Master Product is bad. I personally use that cooler and it gets my CPU temperature at 30C-50C and it is really silent.


No point buying i3 now then upgrading later. The GPU is too weak and the CPU will be too weak over the next year. You need a quad, ie 965 or 4170. And Asrock is flimsy rubbish.
August 14, 2012 9:49:09 PM

So you're telling him to increase his budget right now? Go ahead and recommend an i5 or a 7850 now. I am sure he will say it doesn't fit his budget.

You don't need a quad. Phenom II is way too old for this days and it's core per core performance isn't very good compared to the i3-2120. Because most games only use dual core (i'm pretty sure in the next few years it will also), i3-2120 will shine in games, in a few years time, yet, it's also upgradeable (even to an ivy bridge). If you buy a Phenom II x4 9xx or a FX-41x, I don't think you will get that kind of upgradebility of an LGA 1155 Socket.

Asrock is not filmsy rubbish.

Thank you sunius. Well I'm not sure why we are arguing all over the place and I think we should stop it now :) .
August 14, 2012 9:54:42 PM

yes if you want to play in mid-low settings
August 14, 2012 10:17:49 PM

FX 4100 or Phenom II will not play GTA 4 any better than i3 2120. They might have 2 more cores, but their cores are twice as slow.
August 15, 2012 2:04:12 AM

Well if the OP wants to listen to Intel fanboys, go right ahead.
August 15, 2012 8:46:39 AM

Not arguing with you dude :) , I advise you not to lit and start a fight here.
August 16, 2012 4:54:06 AM

Hey guys, i recently posted a thread called "Is This Enough" well, no it wasn't so i told my dad (im 13 so hes in charge) and he said he might build me one, well that also changed and the budget went up to £700 from £500, and he is now getting me a different one, now all i want to know, is this a gaming computer as its from novatech and it seems good, so tell me, is it? Here are the specs:


Novatech Black NTA05 - AMD FX-6100 Processor - 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz Memory - 1TB SATA Hard Drive ATI 7850 2GB Graphics Card - Novatech Gaming Case & 750W PSU


Also, apparently it will but i want to know from the experts, will this run GTA IV? my dad looked and it said that apparently this is almost 2x the specs it needs if not more, but i want to here other's opinions.. so will it and is it double the requirements? Also if it is, how much FPS will i get on the following games?

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare + CoD Mw2
Call of Duty 5: World at War
Grand Theft Auto IV (GTA 4)
Battlefield Bad Company 2
Garry's mod.

Please reply :) 

Thank you in advance.

Charlie AKA Charliee
August 16, 2012 5:04:54 AM

Please reply to this i need to know so i can tell my dad, i need to get a gaming computer before my birthday is in 12 days :) 
August 16, 2012 5:21:53 AM

The specs on that system looks great, you should be able to max out all of the above games listed at 1080p with no problem.
August 16, 2012 5:31:21 AM

mpheng, thank you so much, also on that note, ill be playing on a hdmi cable into my hdmi 20 or 32" TV so will that help?
August 16, 2012 5:34:28 AM

also,,,,,,,,,, mpheng will saints row the third and saints row 2 run on good fps
August 16, 2012 5:35:41 AM

It will run. But having 6 cores is more for video editing and rendering. It may be somewhat wasted if you only play games. You may want to look into a core i5-2500k as your CPU. It's more a gaming CPU. Everything else you listed is good.

If you are going to attach an HDMI cable from your graphics card to your TV. It will do sound and video to the TV. And yes it is fine.
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