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June 30, 2012 11:34:50 AM

I have a quad core pc, 8Gb memory and two ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series graphics cards installed. the monitor plugs
into the back of one of these cards.
I believe th pc is quite good spec, but struggle even playing some older games from 3 yrs ago, It will only play anno
2070 on its lowest graphic setting and still jumps abit on the graphics.

Is it better to bin both cards and buy a decent ish one if so what will fit into it and atleast be able to play games in a half
decent way, I'n not a gamer but would like to when i want too?

Or alternatively is there something i can change in settings to make the, work better, not even sure if the twomake any difference
or shall i just remove one, help please......................................

the spec for my pc is:

PC Pitstop Active X Build 211
Browser MSIE 9.0
System OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64
System OS Install Date 4/15/2010 1:45:27 AM
System Make To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System Model To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System Serial Number
Main Board Make ASRock
Main Board Model ALiveXFire-eSATA2..
Main Board Version
Main Board BIOS American Megatrends Inc. Default System BIOS ACRSYS - 8000925 20090825
Processor Description AMD Athlon II X4 630
Number of Processors 4
Processor Clock Speed 2792 Mhz
Graphics Description ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
Memory Installed 8192 MBs
Memory Slots 4 slots
Memory Configuration 2048+2048+2048+2048;DIMM Unknown Synchronous
Drive Name (E) Main Drive
Drive Size (E) 476929 MBs
Drive Format (E) NTFS
DVD-RAM Model HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50
DVD-RAM Read Speed 8467 KB/sec (48X)
DVD-RAM Write Speed 8468 KB/sec (48X)
Monitor Model Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Resolution 1600 x 1200 pixels
Monitor Screen Size 18.7 x 10.5 inches
21.4 inches (diagonal)
Monitor Manufacture Date November 2009

Installed Hardware
Vendor Product
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50 ATA Device
EPSON Stylus Storage USB Device
WDC WD5000AADS-00S9B0 ATA Device
ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
ATA Channel 1
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
ATA Channel 0
ATA Channel 1
ATA Channel 0
EPSON EPSON SX600/BX600/ME 700
Built-in Infrared Device
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Advanced Micro Devices AMD High Definition Audio Device
Advanced Micro Devices AMD High Definition Audio Device
Microsoft High Definition Audio Device
Generic PnP Monitor
Microsoft HID-compliant mouse
Microsoft Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
Realtek Realtek RTL8168B/8111B Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.20)
Ralink Technology Corp. Ralink RT61 Turbo Wireless LAN Card
Microsoft Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter
ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
Communications Port (COM1)
Epson Epson ESC/P-R
Advanced Micro Devices AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor
Advanced Micro Devices AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor
Advanced Micro Devices AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor
Advanced Micro Devices AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor
Microsoft UMBus Enumerator
Microsoft High Definition Audio Controller
ATI ATI I/O Communications Processor SMBus Controller
ATI ATI I/O Communications Processor LPC Controller
Microsoft UMBus Enumerator
Microsoft High Definition Audio Controller
Microsoft UMBus Enumerator
ATI ATI I/O Communications Processor PCI Bus Controller
PCI bus
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
Microsoft Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
PCI standard host CPU bridge
Microsoft High Definition Audio Controller
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Microsoft USB Printing Support
USB Root Hub
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Compatible USB storage device USB Mass Storage Device
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub
USB Composite Device
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub

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a c 126 U Graphics card
June 30, 2012 11:46:24 AM

Hi

So your PC has two dedicated HD4300 or HD4500 series graphics cards installed? If so do you know what model they are and if they are running in crossfire mode?

I also didn't see a mention of your PC's power supply or a budget?

Thanks.
June 30, 2012 11:57:49 AM

Hiya omgitzfatal, sorry I've tried to download some free programs to see if I can find out exactly whats inside.

I am more than cabable of popping cover off to see if there is anything on the cards and also the power supply.

As everyone, I'm on a budget but I use the pc every night, so I would just have to spend what I need to make it work right,
ans maybe a suggestion for making it work better lol. I will just have to tell the wife "I need it".........



According to this program it says CrossFire Disabed.

AMD Athlon II X4 630 67 °C
Propus 45nm Technology
8.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 265MHz (4-4-4-12)
ASRock ALiveXFire-eSATA2.. (CPUSocket) 71 °C

Acer X223HQ (1920x1080@59Hz)
ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series (ASUStek Computer Inc) 55 °C
ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series (ASUStek Computer Inc) 57 °C
CrossFire Disabled

Cores 4
Threads 4
Name AMD Athlon II X4 630
Code Name Propus
Package Socket AM3 (938)
Technology 45nm
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor
Family F
Extended Family 10
Model 5
Extended Model 5
Stepping 2
Revision BL-C2
Instructions MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4A, AMD 64
Virtualization Supported, Disabled
Hyperthreading Not supported
Fan Speed 3924 RPM
Bus Speed 199.5 MHz
Rated Bus Speed 797.8 MHz
Stock Core Speed 2800 MHz
Stock Bus Speed 200 MHz
Average Temperature 65 °C

On the graphics side it states:
Name Acer X223HQ on ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
Current Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
Work Resolution 1920x1040 pixels
State enabled, primary, output devices support
Monitor Width 1920
Monitor Height 1080
Monitor BPP 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Frequency 59 Hz
Device \\.\DISPLAY14\Monitor0


GPU RV710
Device ID 1002-954F
Subvendor ASUStek Computer Inc (1043)
Current Performance Level Level 1
Current GPU Clock 1198 MHz
Voltage 1.120 V
Current Performance Level Level 1
Current GPU Clock 1198 MHz
Voltage 1.120 V
Technology 56 nm
Die Size 73 nm˛
Transistors 242 M
Release Date Sep 30, 2008
DirectX Support 10.1
DirectX Shader Model 4.1
OpenGL Support 3.0
Bios Core Clock 600.00
Bios Mem Clock 400.00
Temperature 56 °C
Core Voltage 1.120 V
Crossfire Disabled
BIOS Version 113-AB78700-104
ROPs 4
Shaders 80 unified
Memory Type HyperMemory
Bus Width 64 Bit
Pixel Fillrate 2.4 GPixels/s
Texture Fillrate 4.8 GTexels/s
Bandwidth 6.4 GB/s
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a c 126 U Graphics card
June 30, 2012 12:18:04 PM

Alright :) 

If you download a (Free) program called GPU-Z and install it, it should tell you the actual model of the graphics card(s) rather than just the family (E.G HD4300).

Next I'd suggest enabling Crossfire, Crossfire combines the graphics processing power of more than one card (up to 4) which increases performance, this may be enough to get you playable frame rates in the games you play.
To do this, right click on the desktop, select Catalyst control centre, after that has loaded choose "Advanced View" then choose "Gaming" from the menus on the left and then choose AMD crossfire configuration, then tick the box to enable crossfire.

As a side note I noticed the program you used to bring up the specs of your PC lists the CPU temperature as 67C (!) which is really quite hot for that CPU, I'd recommend verifying that with a program called Hardware monitor
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
June 30, 2012 12:26:47 PM

Hello again and many thanks for your replies.

I have the pc in a lower cabinet and the cover was off and a side fan unplugged but will do as you suggested.

I hae popped the card out and both have HD4350 on them and the power supply states Max 600W

Hope this helps yout help me more.

I will await your reply then have a bash at the crosswire thingy, and again many thanks!
a b U Graphics card
June 30, 2012 12:33:33 PM

Probably throttling a bit due to excessive heat. PCs need airflow cant just stick it in a cubbyhole. Take it out of the cabinet and let it get air.
a c 126 U Graphics card
June 30, 2012 12:42:39 PM

Yeah definitely have a crack at crossfire, to be honest two HD4350's in crossfire is still pretty weak and easily superseded by a newer low end graphics card.
Having said that if crossfire gives you the performance then you've not spent money unnecessarily.

On the power supply there should be a label detailing information about its output. On that label should be "+12V" and below that should be an amperage amount and a wattage amount.
Also if you could tell us the make and model that would be helpful. :) 

Thanks.
June 30, 2012 2:14:32 PM

Well it appears to be running a bit smoother, beter than it was last night now I've changed the crossfire
thing, if I were to get rid of these two cards, what wuld you suggest to replace them/it, and can aso upgrade the power supply too as I know they not too sill on costs, working on a budget of around
£150 to £250 ish.

All the details I can see on power supply are Winpower Model ADK-750

Will obviously be telling the wife the lower end costs of a new graphic card.......................
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