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Is it wrong to buy a Phenom 965 in 2013?

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January 4, 2013 10:08:45 AM

The Phenom II x4 965 is one of my options, it costs the same as an I3 ivy bridge..

However i got this dilemma,
How much sense does it make to buy a 3 years old CPU?
And then for it's intel counterpart, how much sense does it make to buy a dual core in 2013?

Considering i do not plan to buy a new rig for the next 3 years to come. Which will grow older faster?

January 4, 2013 10:12:11 AM

if i where you i would wait for the next generation of processors and see what they have to offer
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January 4, 2013 10:12:43 AM

no its not
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January 4, 2013 10:19:01 AM

rudi95 said:
if i where you i would wait for the next generation of processors and see what they have to offer

Are you refering to Haswell's? I won't wait 6+ months for +10% performance on a proccessor that won't be on my budget anyway. :kaola: 
New rig will come by the end of January.
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January 4, 2013 10:21:08 AM

well in that case phenom all the way
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January 4, 2013 10:22:42 AM

That depends a lot on what you'll be doing with it. For most things, the i3 will perform better. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=677 shows that there are some tasks, however, typically dealing with video and other content creation, where the Phenom II is faster. There were no games on that list, but in every game benchmark I can remember, AMD CPUs are at or near the bottom, often weaker even than Pentiums. For games, the i3 is the much better choice, unless you enjoy playing with your PC as much as you enjoy playing on it (e.g. lots of tweaking and overclocking). The i3 will also use a lot less power.
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January 4, 2013 11:01:39 AM

IF you want to game or use anything proc intensive it's much better to wait and get an i5. Even a sandy bridge one as they are a huge jump over both the i3 and phenom II
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January 4, 2013 11:02:11 AM

But won't at some point 2 cores just won't cut it?, i mean we already had games that use more than 2 in 2012, one can only imagine future titles will use more than 2 as well.

I know the i5 has no competitor but tha'ts another price range.
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January 4, 2013 11:11:58 AM

Why not go for an FX 63xx AMD processor instead?

I honestly don't see a good reason to invest in the phenom II 965 at this point in time. Don't get me wrong, its an amazing cpu, but if you're looking to save money down the road - go for a different cpu.

I would recommend getting something current from AMD - that way you still have an upgrade path should you desire to do so in the future. You won't have to buy a new mobo. You can always sell your old cpu to recoup some of the costs anyways.

The other route is to wait for Haswell to come out and then buy a new mobo/Haswell cpu then. That way you would have an upgrade path.

2 cores is will cut it for a little while longer, but if Crysis 3 is anything like its purported to be, it should hopefully force the gaming industry to step up their game, in which case 4 cores will be recommended for most games.

Also, if you wait and save a little more, you can get something a little better down the road. I think saving up an extra $50-100 over the next 6 months would be very beneficial and more cost-effective.
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January 4, 2013 11:12:40 AM

Hence I suggested saving up.

The performance per core is also something to consider.

In BF3 multiplayer which uses as many cores as it can get, The phenom is worse than the i3.

I agree that quads and more are the future but you won't benifit from that future with either of these chips :) 
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January 4, 2013 12:22:23 PM

fudoka711 said:
I would recommend getting something current from AMD - that way you still have an upgrade path should you desire to do so in the future...

No. AMD does not provide an upgrade path, at all. The i3 has an upgrade path to an i5 or even i7, either of which blow the doors off anything AMD has now for games, or is likely to have at least through the next year or two. Assuming Steamroller will be available on AM3+, it will not outperform the current Ivy Bridge chips in games. Furthermore, AMD does not yet support PCIe 3.0. That doesn't really matter yet, but eventually will; again it indicates the lack of an upgrade path with AMD.
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January 4, 2013 12:27:20 PM

I'm trying to spend the less i can and still be able to game at high settings. res 1366x768. (not demanding games just MMORPG's)

This is what i gather:
I3.3220 3.3 GHz Ivy 90£
Asus P8H61-MX 40£
8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz Kingston 36£
Asus HD 7750 1GB GDDR5 80£
TOTAL: 246 £

What is not listed i don't need.
Do you think i can do better with that cash? or less? :)  (not interested on expending more money)
Prices from overclockers.co.uk
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January 4, 2013 12:34:05 PM

The 965 needed to get to 3.7GHz ish to equal the i3 2100 in gaming (even games that use 4 cores well) so will need alot more to get to 3220 performance so makes no sense. If it was £50 then it would still be a good buy.
The spec you are looking at will be limited by the graphics card anyway even at the low resolution so you could save a few more £s and get a pentium G series without a noticeable performance hit while gaming.
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January 4, 2013 12:52:20 PM

simon12 said:
The 965 needed to get to 3.7GHz ish to equal the i3 2100 in gaming (even games that use 4 cores well) so will need alot more to get to 3220 performance so makes no sense. If it was £50 then it would still be a good buy.
The spec you are looking at will be limited by the graphics card anyway even at the low resolution so you could save a few more £s and get a pentium G series without a noticeable performance hit while gaming.

I looked it up now that you mentioned it.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/53493,65527,65693

I don't know if it's worth it it's 16£ less but i loose Hyper-Threading and 2 threads with a pentium G2120.
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January 4, 2013 12:58:48 PM

I assume so. I have had deliveries from them in the past to the UK and had no problems.

They are very reputable.
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January 4, 2013 1:11:49 PM

darth pravus said:
I assume so. I have had deliveries from them in the past to the UK and had no problems.

They are very reputable.

Been looking it up. I don't think they do :( 
http://www.scan.co.uk/information/delivery.aspx (No europe)
And while registering:



I guess i can buy the graphic card from ebay and all the rest from OC.UK.

"86.12 British Pound Sterling equals 106.16 Euro"
http://www.ebay.it/itm/AMD-RADEON-HD-7770-1-GB-GDDR5-PC...

and i get free shipping, same price as scan.
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January 4, 2013 1:17:35 PM

I tried playing GW2 (a MMORPG) on my father's old E6750/HD6670 at 1600x900, and it was playable but on fairly low settings. An i3-3220 with a HD7750 would have no trouble with high settings at only 1366x768. Whereas FPS titles tend to be very dependent on the graphics card for good performance, MMORPGs tend to need more CPU muscle.
I'm not in the UK, but I frequently see people recommending scan.co.uk for parts.
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January 4, 2013 1:21:29 PM

Ebay might be a good idea if you can't get scan
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January 4, 2013 1:32:45 PM

scan, aria, and overclockers are all very good, I used them for my high end Intel rig.
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January 4, 2013 2:03:53 PM

Onus said:
I tried playing GW2 (a MMORPG) on my father's old E6750/HD6670 at 1600x900, and it was playable but on fairly low settings. An i3-3220 with a HD7750 would have no trouble with high settings at only 1366x768. Whereas FPS titles tend to be very dependent on the graphics card for good performance, MMORPGs tend to need more CPU muscle.
I'm not in the UK, but I frequently see people recommending scan.co.uk for parts.

I know right? I don't think i'll give up on the 3220, the processing power will come handy. And i'm definitely getting an HD7770 now.
darth pravus said:
Ebay might be a good idea if you can't get scan


angaddev said:
scan, aria, and overclockers are all very good, I used them for my high end Intel rig.

Thanks for suggestion, i've been doing a little research since scan doesn't ship outside UK, and overclockers prices aren't exactly a big deal, even less when you convert to euros and add shipping.
I've come to the conclusion that been in Italy and buying components on the UK, is retarded. :) 
So after some mad search i found this site with good prices (cheaper than ebay), in Euros, inside italy.(less shipping cost)

Check it out:
Core i3-3220 €110
http://www.e-key.it/prod-cpu-intel-core-i3-3220-dual-co...
MSI HD7770 1GBGDDR5 €97
http://www.e-key.it/prod-vga-msi-r7770-pmd1gd5-ati-amd-...
Asus P8H61-M LX3 PLUS €40
http://www.e-key.it/prod-scheda-madre-asus-p8h61-m-lx3-...
Kingston HyperX Red 8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz €37
http://www.e-key.it/prod-ram-ddr3-kingston-khx16c9b1rk2...
TOTAL: € 284 Euros.

How does it look?
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January 4, 2013 2:28:26 PM

nconde25 said:

Asus P8H61-MX 40£

i3-3220 is Ivy Bridge, while H61 is the chipset from Sandy Bridge. While they do work together, you often need a bios update on an H61 board to get it to work with Ivy Bridge chips. Fine if you have a Sandy Bridge chip available, but if you don't, then you are screwed.
Generally better off with a newer B75 or H77 motherboard anyway.
Otherwise, it will all work fine, although as mention above 7770 is a decent step up from 7750 in gaming performance.

Your other option for similar budget is probably an A10-5800k and an A75 FM2 motherboard (with DDR3-1866 or DDR3-2133 - it needs fast RAM to perform well). That probably is just a little bit slower than the 7750, but will play all games at 1366x768
at some level of detail (many on high or better). CPU wise it is pretty similar to the i3-3220, a little slower single threaded, a little better multithreaded (and can be overclocked). That would save you a little cash though.
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January 4, 2013 2:43:58 PM

Have you looked at the AMD A-10 5800k? At your resolution i believe this would provide a very good solution at a better price. You can overclock both the CPU and integrated GPU and get some great results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/trinity-gaming-perf...

The only down side would the FM2 chipset future ?

Here's what I know: I built a 5800k w/ ASRock Ext 6 Motherboard in Dec for my son. It's a very capable gaming machine at 1600 x 900 (display's max). He plays Guild Wars 2 on it and it's very smooth ( I don't know his settings). I've played World of Tanks on it - medium settings and it gets approx 38 fps. It's very playable.

This machine is nowhere near the performance of my i5 3570k w/ HD 6850 gamewise but in your pricerange I would consider it.

Good Luck !!
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January 4, 2013 3:08:41 PM

Just get a pentium G860+h61+better card, what it counts is the gfx card, and a 7770 is not good enough even for 1600 x 900, e.g. battlefield 3 maxout.
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January 4, 2013 3:13:53 PM

I am aware of the A10-5800k, in fact it was the processor i used when i first started designing my build. I've seen the benchmarks, and saw gameplay videos on youtube, i mean it's amazing what they have achieved with an IGP but i still see it struggle a little to get 30FPS on high settings, and frankly im tired of struggling.
I'm planning to get a 21.5" monitor this month too, so that means 1080P...
I'll be limited by the IGP, i rather spend some more money now and get an i3 that costs a little less and get a discrete HD7770 and don't have to worry about going below 30 FPS anymore.
I feel my build is much more solid than the APU and of corse it costs more but i can afford it now.

As for the motehrboard:
It does sound like i'll be screwed if i need to ugrade the bios with a CPU i dont own, while i believe most h61 should be already updated by now i can't take the risk..
I guess i'll have to go with this;
AsRock B75 PRO3-M Socket
http://www.e-key.it/product_details.aspx?ID=29698




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January 4, 2013 3:21:22 PM

djangoringo said:
Just get a pentium G860+h61+better card, what it counts is the gfx card, and a 7770 is not good enough even for 1600 x 900, e.g. battlefield 3 maxout.

Does downgrading to sandy bridge, loosing 2 threads, no hyper-threading, 300Mhz less, and being capped at 1333 RAM worth the trade?

What video card would make that a good trade?
Wouldn't i be CPU bottlenecked then?
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January 4, 2013 3:26:48 PM

Going to depend on what games. In single player benchmarks jumping from i3-3220 + 7770 to G860 + 7850 1gb will almost always result in a win for the 7850 build, but you could struggle in CPU intensive tasks like Battlefield 3 multiplayer. If you are going to upgrade in the future though the i3-3220 will probably be enough CPU for the next gen graphics card/games while if you ever want to upgrade the 7850 you probably would want to upgrade the CPU too.
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January 4, 2013 3:27:32 PM

It will not bottleneck a 650 ti or 7850 1GB, see the toms hardware 500$ build, it has that cpu and the 7850 1GB.
Like i said, you better off with a 650 ti or 7850 1GB.
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January 4, 2013 3:52:31 PM

Alright according to the new feedback you gave me, i was spending too much on the CPU+mother and neglecting the video card.
This is the: "New and maybe better build"

CPU Intel Pentium Dual-Core G860 3.0GHz € 65,00
MSI H61M-P20 (G3) € 36,50
RAM DDR3 Corsair XMS3 CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 1333MHz 8GB (2x4GB) CL9 for CPU Intel i5/i7 € 38,30
VGA XFX FX-785A-ZNFC Ati AMD Radeon HD 7850 Core 860MHz Memory GDDR5 4800MHz 1GB DVI HDMI MiniDP € 141,90
TOTAL:281,70

My concern is the ram it says foe CPU intel i5/i7, that's just...bulls*** right? pure marketing, take a look:
http://www.e-key.it/prod-ram-ddr3-corsair-xms3-cmx8gx3m...

I bet they will work with ANY CPU.

Also take a look at the graphic card please.
http://www.e-key.it/product_details.aspx?ID=35779

does it look good?

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January 4, 2013 3:56:58 PM

Yes, the ram will work, and gfx card is a good one for the price, xfx is a decent brand.
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January 4, 2013 4:01:24 PM

djangoringo said:
Just get a pentium G860+h61+better card, what it counts is the gfx card, and a 7770 is not good enough even for 1600 x 900, e.g. battlefield 3 maxout.

Battlefield 3 is IRRELEVANT. He wants to play MMORPGs, not FPS. A stronger CPU is needed.

nconde25 said:
Does downgrading to sandy bridge, loosing 2 threads, no hyper-threading, 300Mhz less, and being capped at 1333 RAM worth the trade?

No, for your uses it is NOT a good trade. Stick with the i3+HD7770. For your types of games, it will be FINE.
See my two rigs below. When GW2 was in beta, I tested with the GPUs switched. I could set higher visual settings with the Phenom II+HD7870, but play was smoother with the i5+HD7770. Games like this are MUCH more enjoyable when they are smooth. Get the stronger CPU; you won't regret it.
Down the road, a GPU upgrade, if desired, is a simple matter.
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January 4, 2013 4:10:01 PM

That is "best appearance", and was the beta. Settings are much more granular now, and the game has been better optimized. Reducing LOD distance and/or AA will easily let a HD7770 hit 60FPS.
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January 4, 2013 4:26:24 PM

I think for mmorpgs either combination will do, but if ever wanted to play anything else the 7850 will come handy right?
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January 4, 2013 4:29:39 PM

Yes, of course, i still rather get the 7850 over the 7770, and like i said no performance difference in a dual core vs dual core with HT.
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January 4, 2013 5:02:16 PM

I would not weaken the CPU to get it, but the HD7850 is notably stronger than the HD7770. Playing the "what-if?" game is the quickest way to bust your budget; I ought to know because I'm guilty of that myself too often. It's certainly a nice card, and I have no plans to get rid of it, but I do have some mild regrets over buying a HD7870. If you want something a little stronger than a HD7770 without straining your budget too much, look at the GTX650Ti ($145-$160) as well.
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January 4, 2013 6:50:41 PM

Best answer selected by nconde25.
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January 4, 2013 7:08:35 PM

for you price range why not get an AMD A8-5600k it handled both ur problems and you can still upgrade the graphics
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January 4, 2013 7:34:01 PM

Just for a little perspective - I play through the (amazing) crowd scenes on Hitman Absolution just fine at 1920x1200 on my 4GB / PHII 955 / GTX280 - all cores with 20% CPU free time according to the CPU applet on my G15 keyboard... A 965 or i3 or anything of that ilk will be fine ;) 
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January 4, 2013 7:58:55 PM

gamerguy319 said:
for you price range why not get an AMD A8-5600k it handled both ur problems and you can still upgrade the graphics

The A8-5600k costs me 95,00 €, that would leave me no extra cash for a discrete card, i rather grab the G860 and the best possible card like the HD7850. (my final build is a few posts above).
The analysis by tom is very positive too:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

kyzarvs said:
Just for a little perspective - I play through the (amazing) crowd scenes on Hitman Absolution just fine at 1920x1200 on my 4GB / PHII 955 / GTX280 - all cores with 20% CPU free time according to the CPU applet on my G15 keyboard... A 965 or i3 or anything of that ilk will be fine ;) 

Nice thanks a lot!
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