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August 20, 2012 10:37:00 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: This week, ideally today.

Budget Range: 1200-1600

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, browsing the internet, listening to music, watching movies.

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Parts to Upgrade:Everything. Starting from scratch with a new build.

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Location: West Paducah, KY, United States

Parts Preferences: I prefer Intel for all things regarding the CPU. As far as other parts, I've always had a great experience with Asus products, however, as shown in my build, I have no real preference or loyalty, I just want quality for a reasonable price.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I'm an avid player of League of Legends, Diablo 3, Smite, Tribes:Ascend, and I touch on some other games here and there, however, I would like to start branching out as the same few games are becoming stale. It also seems appropriate to note that this is my first build...here's hoping that my research wasn't in vain.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I bought a laptop 3-4 years ago and it served its purpose at the time, but after pushing it through endless hours of gaming, on a laptop no less, the hardware is already showing signs of wear and tear. e.g. BSOD, overheating (while on a cooling pad), etc.

COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper (SGC-5000-KKN1) Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P8Z77-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (100314-3L )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD5003AZEX 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBRM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650M 650W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Semi Modular High Performance Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HT | OMEGA STRIKER 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AFT XM5U All-in-one USB 2.0 Card Reader
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Asus VE248H Black 24" 2ms Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 250 cd/m2 10,000,000:1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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August 20, 2012 10:39:44 PM

I neglected to note that the price range is in USD.
August 20, 2012 10:40:35 PM

Hmmm... 1200-1600$?? would you prefer to stay closer to the 1200 or 1600 point?.... its a 400$ difference so your system will vary depending on how much money you decide to spend now... if you're planning to keep it for a long time i suggest to invest the full 1600$ because that will make your PC last a bit longer (meaning you will be able to play with decent settings for a longer time)
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August 20, 2012 10:48:06 PM

Currently the build I'm looking at (With monitor and keyboard included) is right around $1500. I've also been toying around with the thought of getting an OCZ Synapse for caching.

OCZ Synapse Cache SYN-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB (64GB cache capacity) SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-227-...

That said, while it is a nice thought to be in the $1200 range, when you're investing that kind of money, I feel it is more than worth the extra money that pushes me up toward $1600 in order to make it last longer. I am more than comfortable spending the money in the higher end of the bracket.
August 21, 2012 12:01:30 AM

Hester241 said:
Currently the build I'm looking at (With monitor and keyboard included) is right around $1500. I've also been toying around with the thought of getting an OCZ Synapse for caching.

OCZ Synapse Cache SYN-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB (64GB cache capacity) SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-227-...

That said, while it is a nice thought to be in the $1200 range, when you're investing that kind of money, I feel it is more than worth the extra money that pushes me up toward $1600 in order to make it last longer. I am more than comfortable spending the money in the higher end of the bracket.


I agree with you, with this kind of investment its always better to use the full budget.... remember that cheap things end up being expensive in the long run.

For 1600$ (monitor&keyboard) this is what i'd get:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: NZXT HAVIK 140 90.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec DF-35 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($75.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($245.41 @ Mac Connection)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($89.98 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1620.28

*I am sorry i went 20$ above budget but it was necessary.

*I did not included an SSD because the budget did not allow it.

*You could buy a much cheaper monitor but the one i included has an IPS panel wich mean you will have TOP OF THE LINE level of quality in your images, this monitor is good for even professional porpuses.

*The motherboard has Tom's Hardware Approved medal and Gigabyte claims it was built under the Ultra Durable 4 standard assuring an amazingly high manufacturing quality

*Most people here recommend the Cooler-master 212 EVO but IMO its aesthetically unpleasing and does not perform that great, that's why i included a much better looking cooler and it performs better (and quieter too)

*The reason i included 2 GPUs is because if you plan to keep this PC for a long time then sooner or later games will reach a point when a single GTX660ti will not be enough to satisfy it, Dual GTX660ti's on the other hand will, and they will allow you to turn all the filters ON (AA,AF,etc) and set the details on maximum (so you can take advantage of the amazing monitor you will get) for a long time while keeping the frame rate high.

*Again, i am sorry i did not included an SSD but that's something you can buy later.... a lot of people may suggest you that you drop 1 GTX 660ti and buy the SSD so you can later add the second GTX 660ti in case you actually need it, this thinking is COMPLETELY wrong, 99 times out of 100 people who say "i will get a new card later" never do it because the next gen of cards (with support for the next Direct3D API) will be out, the GTX660ti support DX11.1 so you can skip the next gen of graphics card while maintaining and insanely high frame rate in games with all the details set to maximum. For some people the minimum playable frame rate is 30fps, for me its 60 because at 30fps games might be playable but its simply not the same; you can add an SSD later


Edit: i just saw you don't leave near a micro center...that's a shame because you could get a CPU&Motherboard combo there a lot cheaper than anywhere else.... do you have any family/friends in Ohio that can go to one of the stores bellow, buy the CPU&Motherboard and mail it to you? or yo can drive there, maybe?



Edit2: i know you said you do not need the OS but is it because you already have it or you're gonna buy it soon?
August 21, 2012 12:30:06 AM

If you are going with 2 video cards I would suggest going with an AMD processor/motherboard (processor Phenom II 965 BE / MB FSB 990FX). The cost of the MBs are about 145 and allow XFire/SLI at x16/x16 where most intel boards for the same price are x16/x8 which is the case in both boards presented in this thread. As for the brand of video card that is up to you, a benchmarking site to use is anandtech.com after looking at the 7870 and the 660 ti the AMD GPUs numbers for high resolution gaming beat out the Nvidia brand.

Lastly, the money you save on your processor can be used for an SSD. Also I would suggest going to a dell or computer store and looking at their 8ms monitors to see what your preference is like.

Keyboard really is more of a luxury right now with the games that you are playing. If you want to macro keys get a mouse that does it like the Razor Naga for $70 which also allows for faster/slower mouse movements on the fly.
August 21, 2012 3:23:56 AM

Here is a comparison of various last gen CPUs in gaming. There are not any comparisons with Phenom IIs and current IB CPUs... no one bothers.


From http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...

Some further benchmarks
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/intel_corei7_26...

Of course you can dial up i5 2500K reviews all day and find similar.

here is an old article on scaling of PCI-E lanes, but this still holds true:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2847/4

Here is a brand new article, very comprehensive.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI...

As noted earlier your video card seems a bit out of whack with the budget. You can do better I'm sure. I'll post a build in a few.
August 21, 2012 3:57:38 AM

OK here is how I would do it. Note that I have included a stronger single GPU and a 128GB reliable SSD, then have added a 750GB data drive. I included other gaming hardware but did not include a sound card. This is usually not needed but if you have high end headphones or speakers I can make recommendations... otherwise it's not needed.

  • LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
  • COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper (SGC-5000-KKN1) Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
  • Seagate Barracuda ST3750525AS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
  • Asus VE248H Black 24" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers
  • GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
  • NVIDIA Gift - Borderlands2 Free Game Coupon
  • SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
  • Logitech G110 Black USB Wired LED Backlighting Gaming Keyboard
  • RAZER Abyssus Mirror Special Edition Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Mouse
  • AFT XM5U All-in-one USB 2.0 Card Reader
  • CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B
  • COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ...
  • Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC 7mm Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
  • Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
  • ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

  • Newegg Promotional Gift Card - $20.00
    TOTAL: $1,529.86
    August 21, 2012 5:06:10 AM

    I'd go with Proximon's build. You don't need two 660tis for 1080p.
    August 21, 2012 6:42:04 PM

    TheBigTroll said:
    id get this
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fdOZ


    That is a good build, not sure how negotiable the case was though... the Corsair is quite a bit different from the CM.
    August 21, 2012 10:29:59 PM

    i know its different but he could go and get a haf xm instead.
    August 22, 2012 12:59:09 AM

    aww too bad im not in the states
    August 22, 2012 2:09:02 AM

    Your budget is similar to mine and need to start from scratch. Here is what I am ordering:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ NCIX US)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Microcenter)
    Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Amazon)
    Case: Cooler Master Storm Enforcer ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.90 @ Amazon)
    Keyboard: Logitech G110 Wired Standard Keyboard ($53.99 @ Amazon)
    Mouse: Logitech G500 Wired Laser Mouse ($49.99 @ Amazon)
    Total: $1271.76
    (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-21 21:57 EDT-0400)

    And couldn't find the monitor on part picker:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    *That monitor is an IPS panel and the only one i have seen under $200.

    *You could switch the GTX 660 ti for the GTX 670, just add $100. I had the 670 originally in my build, but had to keep within my budget.

    *My build has Win7, drop $100 if you don't need it.

    Hope this helps you decide.

    -vin
    !