DRUID QUESTION!!!

[Stinger]

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im a level 26 druid. i was just wondering is it worth it for me to keep
leveling? i mean. is druid really good ? this is my only toon. i havent done
anythign els but play with my friends level 56 warlock. (bad ass)..
can any druids give me some advice??
thanks
Throgof (skywall)

 

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Optional wrote:
> but remeber at high levels. You are a 2nd class priest in instance
> runs.
> You cant melee well enough to be effective

Incorrect.

A properly geared druid can tank nearly as well as a warrior. I've done
Main Tank duty on UBRS and Strath runs with few problems.

Regards,
Noal

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In <bGoKe.2550$Gx1.2335@fe11.lga> "Stinger" <joe@libertydatasystems.com> writes:

> im a level 26 druid. i was just wondering is it worth it for me to keep
> leveling? i mean. is druid really good ? this is my only toon. i havent done
> anythign els but play with my friends level 56 warlock. (bad ass)..
> can any druids give me some advice??

Yes, Druids are good characters. Keep leveling.

On the other hand, if you don't really *like* your Druid, try a different
class, maybe you will enjoy it more.

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Feel free to read through the propoganda above and believe the points
that dont include the best
Druids are fun. but not for every one.
you are a jack of all trades but you are not the best at any of them.
if you want a true hybrid play a duid.
but remeber at high levels. You are a 2nd class priest in instance
runs.
You cant melee well enough to be effective and your nukes are kinda sad
my buddy who plays a druid is allway braggin about his nukes and then
he watched me play where he saw the numbers the mage was putting out
and well he went back to his resto spec.

 

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im sorry nukes???
tell me more... i didnt know i can nuke!


whats the dps on them? estimate?

"Optional" <john_barry74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Feel free to read through the propoganda above and believe the points
> that dont include the best
> Druids are fun. but not for every one.
> you are a jack of all trades but you are not the best at any of them.
> if you want a true hybrid play a duid.
> but remeber at high levels. You are a 2nd class priest in instance
> runs.
> You cant melee well enough to be effective and your nukes are kinda sad
> my buddy who plays a druid is allway braggin about his nukes and then
> he watched me play where he saw the numbers the mage was putting out
> and well he went back to his resto spec.
>

 

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Stinger wrote:
> im a level 26 druid. i was just wondering is it worth it for me to keep
> leveling? i mean. is druid really good ?

I really like the druid, it's one of my favourite classes, if not the
favourite one. The class has some interesting offensive magic, not too bad in
terms of healing, can tank as a bear, acts like a rouge as a cat, swim faster
and breath under water as a sea lion, and once you reach level 30 you'll be
able to run 40% faster with the second cat.

I've recently started my 11th character, which is a druid again, and although
I haven't played it that long it's my third highest character already.

It's all a matter of taste of course, so maybe you should try to find out
which acpects of the druid you like which you don't like. Then compare that
list to the other classes and you might be able to find one that is better for
you.

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John Gordon wrote:
> In <bGoKe.2550$Gx1.2335@fe11.lga> "Stinger" <joe@libertydatasystems.com> writes:
>
>
>>im a level 26 druid. i was just wondering is it worth it for me to keep
>>leveling? i mean. is druid really good ? this is my only toon. i havent done
>>anythign els but play with my friends level 56 warlock. (bad ass)..
>>can any druids give me some advice??
>
>
> Yes, Druids are good characters. Keep leveling.
>
> On the other hand, if you don't really *like* your Druid, try a different
> class, maybe you will enjoy it more.
>

5 things you should know about druids:

1) Druids are the hardest character to play. You will need to make use
of EVERY single on of your abilities in order to survive. However, that
will probably make you a better player instead of some classes that just
press "easy mode" and lvl up.

2) Druids are the most fun character to play. By levelling a druid, you
have effectively tasted ALL other classes, since you will tank, stealth,
nuke and heal.

3) Druids are slow levellers. REALLY slow levellers, so bring a friend
with high dps to help you.

4) If played right, druids are invincible. They are the only character
(maybe palas come close) that can take elite mobs at much higher levels
and still win. Also, if played right, druids have the highest victory %
vs all other classes in pvp, since no class can "own" a druid (shamans
can cause many problems though). Just dont go against other druids or
paladins, you will die from boredom.

5) Druids are the 2nd most needed party class in game. Obviously, the
1st being the endangered species known as priest. In fact, bar molten
core, druid is a far better party member than a priest, especially if a
paladin is in the group.


Besides, and because of (2), if you see that one of the druid's aspects
fits you most, you can roll that class, so you can say that the druid is
the best "test" toon you can have.

Hope this helps
Stavros

 

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"Optional" <john_barry74@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Feel free to read through the propoganda above and believe the points
> that dont include the best Druids are fun. but not for every one.

Agreed. Druids are by far the most fun for me, but that doesn't mean
they have to be true for other people.

> you are a jack of all trades but you are not the best at any of them.
> if you want a true hybrid play a duid.

I have to disagree on this. A druid is highly specialised, you can't
tank, damage deal and heal at the same time.

> You cant melee well enough to be effective and your nukes are kinda sad
> my buddy who plays a druid is allway braggin about his nukes and then
> he watched me play where he saw the numbers the mage was putting out
> and well he went back to his resto spec.

The druid doesn't do as much damage as a rogue in catform, he doesn't
tank as well as a warrior in bear form, he doesn't heal as effective
as a priest, and he doesn't nuke as good as a mage. But he's quite
close (at least in tanking and healing), and he has a big versatility
bonus by being able to fill in the spots that are required, which is
HUGE in any instance before maybe MC.

Chris

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Christian Stauffer wrote:
> Agreed. However, Noal is telling all the time he has some decent DPS,
> maybe my gear is just not damage based enough.

I am? In my Crit gear (used for soloing or MA) I can keep up with the
DPS of a Protection specced warrior using 1H & Shield...so that's not
anything to get excited about. Usually, in that gear I average about
150 DPS in bear. In my tank gear, I lose some DPS (comes down to ~125
DPS) but I ramp up my armor (10K unbuffed) and my Dodge (~15%).

I'm looking to be a good tank and a good healer. DPS toons are a 10
copper/dozen, so I don't really care to compete on that level.

Regards,
Noal

 

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Optional wrote:
> Feel free to read through the propoganda above and believe the points
> that dont include the best

Read points 1,2,3. They DO include the negatives of the druids...

> Druids are fun. but not for every one.

Ummm, it is called personal opinion not propaganda. Propaganda is done
when you have something to gain from it. My experience from the game is
that druids are the most fun character to play, yours may vary.

> you are a jack of all trades but you are not the best at any of them.
> if you want a true hybrid play a duid.

Druids are not hubrids, druids specialize in sth. Shamans are true
hybrids, since they can do everything at the same time.

> but remeber at high levels. You are a 2nd class priest in instance
> runs.

Besides MC and Onyxia, a druid is just as good as a priest if not
better, because of their higher survivability (if you take serious
aggro, go bear and take the beating while tank regains aggro). Druid
rejuv and HT spells are more mana-effective than the priest ones, our
only drawback is a "flash heal". which is why a priest will always be
preferred in MC, where the tank health goes down FAST. Let's not forget
that combat rez > all.

> You cant melee well enough to be effective

Druids are 2nd best tank in game and can tank everything up to 10-man
raids, if properly geared. I have 10.2k armor in bear form, and can take
some serious beating without sweating at all. Of course I do not have
the aggro generating moves of a warrior but I have the best aggro
generating moves from ANY other class.

and your nukes are kinda sad

Yes, they are sad, but our low aggro fast nuke (wrath) is a pvp killer
and makes the druid an effective grinder (root + moon + wrath + wrath +
repeat in un'goro guardians and devilsaurs brings me 60-70g per visit...).

> my buddy who plays a druid is allway braggin about his nukes and then
> he watched me play where he saw the numbers the mage was putting out

Mmmm thats all your mage can do. Your mage cannot do stealth runs, heal
in instances, tank if needed or solo pretty damn hard stuff. A druid can.

> and well he went back to his resto spec.

A resto druid is not a gimped druid, a resto druid is a top PvP and PvE
class. Now, a balance druid IS a gimped druid because of our ridiculous
talents that have never been changed despite Blizzard's promises.

 

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On 10 Aug 2005 15:53:07 GMT, Michael Koenig
<mikenospam@email.deMUNGED> wrote:

>Stinger wrote:
>> im a level 26 druid. i was just wondering is it worth it for me to keep
>> leveling? i mean. is druid really good ?
>
>I really like the druid, it's one of my favourite classes, if not the
>favourite one. The class has some interesting offensive magic, not too bad in
>terms of healing, can tank as a bear, acts like a rouge as a cat, swim faster
>and breath under water as a sea lion, and once you reach level 30 you'll be
>able to run 40% faster with the second cat.
>
>I've recently started my 11th character, which is a druid again, and although
>I haven't played it that long it's my third highest character already.
>
>It's all a matter of taste of course, so maybe you should try to find out
>which acpects of the druid you like which you don't like. Then compare that
>list to the other classes and you might be able to find one that is better for
>you.

I think the Druid is an aquired taste, I really don't like mine but
pride prevents me from quitting. What I dislike is that the immediate
impression of being versatile isn't real, you'll end up Resto, because
everything else is poor.

 

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"Noal McDonald" <dharzhak@my-deja.com> wrote:

> Christian Stauffer wrote:
>> Agreed. However, Noal is telling all the time he has some decent DPS,
>> maybe my gear is just not damage based enough.
>
> I am? In my Crit gear (used for soloing or MA) I can keep up with the
> DPS of a Protection specced warrior using 1H & Shield...so that's not
> anything to get excited about. Usually, in that gear I average about
> 150 DPS in bear. In my tank gear, I lose some DPS (comes down to ~125
> DPS) but I ramp up my armor (10K unbuffed) and my Dodge (~15%).

I thought you wrote that somewhere, maybe I was wrong :-/ Sorry.

> I'm looking to be a good tank and a good healer. DPS toons are a 10
> copper/dozen, so I don't really care to compete on that level.

Agreed.

Wild, who made it to 8k unbuffed yesterday )

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"Vertoobli" <motoko@null.com> wrote:

> I think the Druid is an aquired taste, I really don't like mine but
> pride prevents me from quitting. What I dislike is that the immediate
> impression of being versatile isn't real, you'll end up Resto, because
> everything else is poor.

I can't second this. The druid is the second best tanking class in
WoW. I've done UBRS yesterday. We had 14 people, 3 of them being
only level 57. 2 priests healing, a protection specced warrior as
MT and me as second tank. We did the whole thing faster than
my last UBRS run on wednesday (15 level 60s, 3 healers, 2 tanks,
but a pickup team with shitty coordination) and without big
problems. We had 2 wipes, one at the room before the beast,
which was most likely caused by the big aggro range of the "low"
levels (we pulled 2 groups), one at drakki (the MT died, I had
to combat res him, and a lot of healer mana got wasted - we
pulled him down to about 1% health before the last one died).

I ended up being #1 of damage taken: About 21% compared to the
warrior with 19%. So, a good geared druid with his talents in
the right spots IS versatile. (Although I think 40% on 2 tanks
and the other 60% spread over the other people is not really
great)

Another thing is: As soon as Drakkis 2 guards where dead, I
supported healing (no point in more than 1 tank for drakki)
until I ran oom, and then switched to bear again.

Chris

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Vertoobli wrote:
> Yeah. Druid tanks well, but does poor damage, which I find a real
> pain.

The point of a tank is not to dishout damage, but to take it.

> Also, Question, how the hell do you hold aggro? I just cannot,
> Growl aside, keep anyones attention, My Missus' new Priest,
> just pulls them right off me.

You need the right gear. Crit & high attack power (or strength) are
what you need to keep their attention. Stamina, dodge & +Defense help
you handle the attention you get. If you're trying to tank in caster
gear, you're going to be as effective at holding aggro as a gnome mage
whacking them with a stick.

As for techniques, if I tank, I usually pull with Moonfire. The DoTs
help remind them who they're supposed to attack. Also, when you're
taking damage and it's not on cooldown and you've got plenty of rage,
pop Regeneration. The healing will generate aggro for you. Spamming
Discouraging Roar and Faerie Fire - Bear (if you don't have it, get it)
helps some, too.

Supposedly Taunt (and Growl) actually resets aggro, so my advice is use
it ONLY to pull back a mob headed elsewhere. Don't use it on a mob
that's already focusing on you.

Regards,
Noal

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:51:00 +0200, "Christian Stauffer"
<wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote:

>"Vertoobli" <motoko@null.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the Druid is an aquired taste, I really don't like mine but
>> pride prevents me from quitting. What I dislike is that the immediate
>> impression of being versatile isn't real, you'll end up Resto, because
>> everything else is poor.
>
>I can't second this. The druid is the second best tanking class in
>WoW. I've done UBRS yesterday. We had 14 people, 3 of them being
>only level 57. 2 priests healing, a protection specced warrior as
>MT and me as second tank. We did the whole thing faster than
>my last UBRS run on wednesday (15 level 60s, 3 healers, 2 tanks,
>but a pickup team with shitty coordination) and without big
>problems. We had 2 wipes, one at the room before the beast,
>which was most likely caused by the big aggro range of the "low"
>levels (we pulled 2 groups), one at drakki (the MT died, I had
>to combat res him, and a lot of healer mana got wasted - we
>pulled him down to about 1% health before the last one died).
>
>I ended up being #1 of damage taken: About 21% compared to the
>warrior with 19%. So, a good geared druid with his talents in
>the right spots IS versatile. (Although I think 40% on 2 tanks
>and the other 60% spread over the other people is not really
>great)
>
>Another thing is: As soon as Drakkis 2 guards where dead, I
>supported healing (no point in more than 1 tank for drakki)
>until I ran oom, and then switched to bear again.
>
>Chris

Yeah. Druid tanks well, but does poor damage, which I find a real
pain. Heals are pretty tidy too. but the "Nukes" are so poor as to be
hardly worth it. I'm always *forced* to go bear on mobs asses, the
balance Tree seems so weak as to not be worth using. (Aside from
entangling roots). Also, Question, how the hell do you hold aggro? I
just cannot, Growl aside, keep anyones attention, My Missus' new
Priest, just pulls them right off me.

 

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Vertoobli wrote:
> entangling roots). Also, Question, how the hell do you hold aggro? I
> just cannot, Growl aside, keep anyones attention, My Missus' new
> Priest, just pulls them right off me.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that your
Missus has gone shadow spec and hasn't put many (or maybe
any) talent points into threat reduction. It's possible to
build a shadow priest from whom it's practically impossible
to distract the bad guys. I got my shadow priest all the
way up to shadow form at 40th level before I realized why
I was such a liability to my parties in instances - I ended
up spending most of my energy healing myself, and screwing
up the neatly formed bunched up targets that the tanks had
pulled together for mages to hammer. The point was even
more forcefully driven home the time that I was called in
to be a 5th in Scarlet Monastery in a party that already
had slightly bigger priest who was shadow spec and couldn't
be relied on to heal anything.

Shadow spec is really strong in duels and PvP, yet it has
serious problems when trying to be a team player in PvE
instances. I respec'd to holy/disc before I hit 41, and
I haven't had any cause to regret it.

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Vertoobli wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:51:00 +0200, "Christian Stauffer"
> <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>
>
>>"Vertoobli" <motoko@null.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I think the Druid is an aquired taste, I really don't like mine but
>>>pride prevents me from quitting. What I dislike is that the immediate
>>>impression of being versatile isn't real, you'll end up Resto, because
>>>everything else is poor.
>>
>>I can't second this. The druid is the second best tanking class in
>>WoW. I've done UBRS yesterday. We had 14 people, 3 of them being
>>only level 57. 2 priests healing, a protection specced warrior as
>>MT and me as second tank. We did the whole thing faster than
>>my last UBRS run on wednesday (15 level 60s, 3 healers, 2 tanks,
>>but a pickup team with shitty coordination) and without big
>>problems. We had 2 wipes, one at the room before the beast,
>>which was most likely caused by the big aggro range of the "low"
>>levels (we pulled 2 groups), one at drakki (the MT died, I had
>>to combat res him, and a lot of healer mana got wasted - we
>>pulled him down to about 1% health before the last one died).
>>
>>I ended up being #1 of damage taken: About 21% compared to the
>>warrior with 19%. So, a good geared druid with his talents in
>>the right spots IS versatile. (Although I think 40% on 2 tanks
>>and the other 60% spread over the other people is not really
>>great)
>>
>>Another thing is: As soon as Drakkis 2 guards where dead, I
>>supported healing (no point in more than 1 tank for drakki)
>>until I ran oom, and then switched to bear again.
>>
>>Chris
>
>
> Yeah. Druid tanks well, but does poor damage, which I find a real
> pain. Heals are pretty tidy too. but the "Nukes" are so poor as to be
> hardly worth it. I'm always *forced* to go bear on mobs asses, the
> balance Tree seems so weak as to not be worth using. (Aside from
> entangling roots). Also, Question, how the hell do you hold aggro? I
> just cannot, Growl aside, keep anyones attention, My Missus' new
> Priest, just pulls them right off me.

Use *all* of your bears special abilities. Demo road, swipe (especially
this), maul generate SIGNIFICANT aggro (blizz said they'll put it on
tooltips on a future patch), and lets not forget you have a normal and
an emergency taunt to boot. This aggro generation is what makes the
druid a better tank than a paladin, despite the significantly lower dps.

Oh, and before going to bear, do not forget to self-buff with the best
aggro-generator in the game, thorns.

 

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> Oh, and before going to bear, do not forget to self-buff with the best
> aggro-generator in the game, thorns.

Oil of immolation is also an excellent way to hang on to loads of mobs, and
my druid just loves picking flowers to fuel alchemy

 

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"Vertoobli" <motoko@null.com> wrote:

> Yeah. Druid tanks well, but does poor damage, which I find a real
> pain.

Agreed. But still: You're the 2nd best tanking class AND the 2nd
best healing class, that's quite versatile.
Despite the fact that healers are rare and warriors are a dime a
dozen, so chances you'll tank high level instances are quite small.

> Heals are pretty tidy too. but the "Nukes" are so poor as to be
> hardly worth it.

Agreed, but I never but anything in balance )

> I'm always *forced* to go bear on mobs asses, the
> balance Tree seems so weak as to not be worth using. (Aside from
> entangling roots). Also, Question, how the hell do you hold aggro? I
> just cannot, Growl aside, keep anyones attention, My Missus' new
> Priest, just pulls them right off me.

Can't add much to what Stavros wrote, most points are the same:
1) Buff yourself with thorns. DON'T cast thorns on anyone but the
tanks. I have also a "Naglering" which reflects 3 arcane damage
on hit.
2) Use Demo Roar. It's an AoE, and it grabs initial aggro on all
mobs around you. So basically, if you use demo roar, every mob
will attack you until someone hits them or the healer heals you.
As long as they hit you, they do not only build up rage, but
also aggro due to the thorns buff.
3) Use swipe + maul + fairie fire bear (if you have it), and don't
forget to build up aggro on all mobs, not only one.

Chris

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Brian wrote:
> I've got 7k unbuffed, 4200 health, and 384 defense.

Good lord, man. You must have some very good healers watching your
back. I think I do better than that (except +Defense) in caster gear.

But, as you go on to point out, even if you had the unbuffed 10K armor,
5600 life of a druid in dire bear form, it won't amount to a hill of
beans if you don't use the tools you have to keep them beating on you.

How long is the pally stun for, btw? Mine's 5 seconds. I love stuns,
but too many bosses are immune to them.

Regards,
Noal

 

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On 12 Aug 2005 11:03:27 -0700, "Noal McDonald" <dharzhak@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>Vertoobli wrote:
>> Yeah. Druid tanks well, but does poor damage, which I find a real
>> pain.
>
>The point of a tank is not to dishout damage, but to take it.
>
>> Also, Question, how the hell do you hold aggro? I just cannot,
>> Growl aside, keep anyones attention, My Missus' new Priest,
>> just pulls them right off me.
>
>You need the right gear. Crit & high attack power (or strength) are
>what you need to keep their attention. Stamina, dodge & +Defense help
>you handle the attention you get. If you're trying to tank in caster
>gear, you're going to be as effective at holding aggro as a gnome mage
>whacking them with a stick.
>
>As for techniques, if I tank, I usually pull with Moonfire. The DoTs
>help remind them who they're supposed to attack. Also, when you're
>taking damage and it's not on cooldown and you've got plenty of rage,
>pop Regeneration. The healing will generate aggro for you. Spamming
>Discouraging Roar and Faerie Fire - Bear (if you don't have it, get it)
>helps some, too.
>
>Supposedly Taunt (and Growl) actually resets aggro, so my advice is use
>it ONLY to pull back a mob headed elsewhere. Don't use it on a mob
>that's already focusing on you.
>
>Regards,
>Noal

I'm only tanking because Missy is a Priestess and so, can't do it
herself. I like beating the tar out of stuff.