Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

Working with Shuttle Barebones, Reused Parts, and New Parts

Last response: in Systems
Share
August 22, 2012 2:19:37 AM

SOLVED. Thanks for the help folks!

Got a new problem! 9/4/2012

Hey there! Looking for some advice and opinions about how stable and useful this particular build might be. It's my first ever build, so be gentle with me!

I'm looking into a SHUTTLE SH67H3 PC Barebone System, along with a Intel Core i3-2120 Dual-Core Processor 3.3 GHz 3 MB Cache LGA 1155, and MSI N560GTX Twin Frozr II/OC Video Card.

I'll be reusing a Toshiba MK2555GSXN 250GB drive (with Windows 7 installed), along with two Crucial DDR3 4GB cards.

I also want to look into using my laptop's old DVD drive, an LG Electronic HL-DT-STDVDRAM GT30N, with the build.

The Shuttle power calculator says that it'll be about 275 watts of 300 max.

I've got several questions:

1) Will this all work together?
2) Is this enough of a safe watt range?
3) Can the OS be transferred from my reused hard drive?
4) Will the graphics card and processor be able to both run a modern game at 1680x1050 and record the stream?
5) Will my DVD drive work with this build? Will I need to buy an enclosure for my DVD drive? If so, what kind of enclosure?

From reviews I've looked up, the i3 seems well praised for its value, the MSI N560GT is cool and powerful, and the Shuttle seems to perform well.

Thanks very much!
August 22, 2012 5:33:08 PM

GWLucid said:
3) Can the OS be transferred from my reused hard drive?


So I called Microsoft and Toshiba today. They said that the OEM licencing cannot be transferred to a new computer. Whelp, there goes another $100 or so. The rest of the questions are still up though, please help! =D

Here are Amazon links to the things I'll be looking at to get:

Intel i3 3.3 GHz

MSI N560GTX Twin Frozr II/OC Video Card

Shuttle SH67H3

The Support List for Shuffle SH67H3 says it supports the processor, graphic card, BUT does not mention the memory for Crucial. Should I be worried?
August 23, 2012 1:36:47 AM

Bump? Or do folks need more info from me? I am sad to see this topic is without feedback so far.
Related resources
August 24, 2012 3:09:25 AM

Bump?
August 24, 2012 9:00:26 PM

Bump bump? Anyone?
August 24, 2012 9:32:22 PM

ok. if should all fit. as for win 7, you can call windows, state you are doing an upgrade and they will usually re-issue your activation code.

I'd suggest a newer PSU, just because of capacitor aging. Corsair CX 430W should be good and faily inexpensive.

the DVD will only work if it has a SATA connection

otherwise, everything looks good
August 25, 2012 3:21:13 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
ok. if should all fit. as for win 7, you can call windows, state you are doing an upgrade and they will usually re-issue your activation code.

I'd suggest a newer PSU, just because of capacitor aging. Corsair CX 430W should be good and faily inexpensive.

the DVD will only work if it has a SATA connection

otherwise, everything looks good


Capacitor aging? On a new sale model? Or just as I go along? Will the power supply you suggested fit in there? I think it's propitiatory.

How should I phrase that to Microsoft? What should I say if caught? xD
August 25, 2012 11:27:30 AM

basically, the 275 out of 300W is tight enough that you might blow the PSU in 2-4 years just because the PSU ages. I think Shuttles take regular ATX PSUs. the CX 430 has a 3 year warranty, and should be ok for 4-6 years. Antec Earhwatts 380W has a 5 year warranty, and should be good at least that long.

as for windows: Load it. if you have a problem with activation, you can call microsoft ad tell them you upgraded your machine and need a new activation code As long as the old machine is no longer running, they'll issue a new activation code. you are using enough old parts to count as an upgrade
August 25, 2012 3:57:05 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
basically, the 275 out of 300W is tight enough that you might blow the PSU in 2-4 years just because the PSU ages. I think Shuttles take regular ATX PSUs. the CX 430 has a 3 year warranty, and should be ok for 4-6 years. Antec Earhwatts 380W has a 5 year warranty, and should be good at least that long.

as for windows: Load it. if you have a problem with activation, you can call microsoft ad tell them you upgraded your machine and need a new activation code As long as the old machine is no longer running, they'll issue a new activation code. you are using enough old parts to count as an upgrade


Okay, I'm thinking about using method 1 in this guide (Sysprep.exe). Will that work okay?

I'll check into the dimensions and plugins for the PSUs, see if it'll work for me. Thanks! The build process is simply "check where it fits, check again where it fits, hook it up, check if its hooked up, check again if it's hooked up, cross fingers, power up," from here, right?

EDIT: Dimensions for the Shuttle PSU: 190 x 82 x 43 mm (Connectors Mainboard ATX 4 pin (12V) + 20 pin 1x FDD, 2x S-ATA, 3x Molex Cable length designed for the XPC)
Dimensions for the Corsair 430 PSU: 150 x 86 x 140 mm (ATX connector 1, EPS Connector 1, PCI-E connector 1, Four Pin Peripheral Connector 3, SATA Connector 4, Floppy Connector 2)

That doesn't sound like it'll fit. The other Shuttle PSU is the PC63J 500w, valued around $85-$120. Ick.
August 25, 2012 11:42:57 PM

looking at the case itself, the PSU looks decent, but a 560 ti is a tight fit in your voltage space. the two 12v lines look like they can only handle max of 17-18W, not enough fora 560 ti (needs 24a for the whole system)

scale back a bit on the GPU (a 7770 will almost certainly work) or a different PSU will be needed, alternately, some other TFX power supply, like these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

August 26, 2012 2:28:00 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
looking at the case itself, the PSU looks decent, but a 560 ti is a tight fit in your voltage space. the two 12v lines look like they can only handle max of 17-18W, not enough fora 560 ti (needs 24a for the whole system)

scale back a bit on the GPU (a 7770 will almost certainly work) or a different PSU will be needed, alternately, some other TFX power supply, like these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


The Shuttle Spec page says the video card I've got selected is compatible. I don't know anything about the lines, clarify? Just check the specification pages for information. First time builder I am, I don't really know a lot of the technical stuff and would appreciate it being explained to me, thanks! Again, thanks for the help, you're really steering me here and I appreciate it.

The PSU, sadly, I think is damn near proprietary. Nothing seems to fit there nicely.
August 26, 2012 4:14:22 AM

a GPU needs a certain amount of wattage to run successfully under load. A GTX 560 ti needs 24 amps to run and leave enough for other systems that use the 12v rail. The Seasonic 350s that I just posted have 26.5 amps on their 12v rails, enough for the 560. my estimate (given the second 5v, and the -12v, plus 80W for the 3.3 and 5v rails leaves 206.4W for the 2 12v rails, 206.4W/12v=17.2 amps
August 26, 2012 2:05:40 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
a GPU needs a certain amount of wattage to run successfully under load. A GTX 560 ti needs 24 amps to run and leave enough for other systems that use the 12v rail. The Seasonic 350s that I just posted have 26.5 amps on their 12v rails, enough for the 560. my estimate (given the second 5v, and the -12v, plus 80W for the 3.3 and 5v rails leaves 206.4W for the 2 12v rails, 206.4W/12v=17.2 amps


Curious, where did you get these numbers? I don't see them on Shuttle's site. Also, where can I go to learn about the electric terms you used?
August 26, 2012 3:56:43 PM

I was going by what's listed on the side of the shuttle.

Watts = Amps * Volts, so Amps = Watts / Volts.


on NEwegg's page for this barebone:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I went to the picture of the amps per rail. Its one of the open side pictures. you have to zoom in to read the numbers.

the actual numbers are:

12v1: 16amps, 12v2: 16amps, 5v: 15amps, 3.3v: 12amp, +5v sb: 2 amps, -12v: 0.3
amp

it says that the 5v + 3.3v, regardless is max of 80W. so -12v * 0.3 a= 3.6W, +5v sb * 2=10W. So 80 + 10 + 3.6= 93.6W that are NOT on the 12v rails. 300W-93.6= 206.4W remaining. 206.4W/12v = 17.2 amps.
August 26, 2012 4:04:24 PM

I don't know what you're paying for the shuttle box, but if you are looking at adding 80 for the power supply anyway, I would consider just upgrading to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It comes with a 500W power supply and right now a free 60GB SSD. I'm working on my first build, it's the box I'm planning on right now :wahoo: 
August 26, 2012 4:54:25 PM

computerbear said:
I don't know what you're paying for the shuttle box, but if you are looking at adding 80 for the power supply anyway, I would consider just upgrading to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It comes with a 500W power supply and right now a free 60GB SSD. I'm working on my first build, it's the box I'm planning on right now :wahoo: 


I'm getting the Shuttle SH67H3 for about $240.

Unless there's a better way I can spend about $600, while still being easy to build, quiet, stable, and powerful? Could someone recommend a build that has a cheaper case & motherboard that is compatible with the parts I listed above (really want to use those sets of parts or better if budget allows)?
August 26, 2012 5:05:41 PM

As long as you don't overclock anything, this config (the original proposed one) should be fine. Also, Shuttles do not use ATX (regular size) PSUs. There are replacement PSUs from other vendors that will work (even from Seasonic).

Good luck!
August 26, 2012 5:07:55 PM

COLGeek said:
As long as you don't overclock anything, this config (the original proposed one) should be fine. Also, Shuttles do not use ATX (regular size) PSUs. There are replacement PSUs from other vendors that will work (even from Seasonic).

Good luck!


Thanks for the input. What type of PSUs do work with the Shuttles? (I ask because I really have no idea)
August 26, 2012 5:17:38 PM

COLGeek said:
Like this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Of course, Shuttle offers replacements as well....


Yes, I've seen the 500w PSU Shuttle offers. =)

So, this one is modular? How will this and the Shuttle motherboard interact? I've never used a modular PSU.
August 26, 2012 7:46:16 PM

Modular PSUs allow you to only use the connectors/wires you need. This lets you save space.
August 26, 2012 7:53:22 PM

COLGeek said:
Modular PSUs allow you to only use the connectors/wires you need. This lets you save space.


Okay. How would the setup work on a motherboard not originally used for modular PSUs, like the Shuttle here?
August 26, 2012 7:55:14 PM

The power connectors are standard, so that is not a concern.
August 26, 2012 8:25:44 PM

COLGeek said:
The power connectors are standard, so that is not a concern.


Okay, thanks! Just hook up, cool.

Seasonic's dimensions: 6.9" x 3.3" x 2.5"
Shuttle's dimensions: 7.48" x 3.23" x 1.69"

So it'll likely be a little thicker, but at least newegg will take it back if it doesn't fit. Besides, I can measure it out when the case gets here.

What connectors will I be using if I grab this modular model (just checking my bases here)? Just want to make sure I don't hurt anything.
August 26, 2012 8:40:58 PM

If you are going to buy the Seasonic and the original Shuttle you were considering, why not go with the Shuttle with the 500w PSU?

I suggest, if you stay with the original config, that you try out the Shuttle PSU before you add the Seasonic. I have found the Shuttle PSUs to be rather robust and capable. As long as you don't OC the system, the original one will meet your basic needs.
August 26, 2012 8:44:55 PM

COLGeek said:
If you are going to buy the Seasonic and the original Shuttle you were considering, why not go with the Shuttle with the 500w PSU?

I suggest, if you stay with the original config, that you try out the Shuttle PSU before you add the Seasonic. I have found the Shuttle PSUs to be rather robust and capable. As long as you don't OC the system, the original one will meet your basic needs.


Yeah, I was gonna try it out first. What problems might I see if I push the system for too much power (not planning to OC)?
August 26, 2012 8:51:44 PM

Excessive heat (you can monitor with hwmonitor - just google it). You might also see pixelation/tearing of the video display.
August 26, 2012 8:54:13 PM

COLGeek said:
Excessive heat (you can monitor with hwmonitor - just google it). You might also see pixelation/tearing of the video display.


Okay, cool! Thanks. I'll likely come back to this thread as I build it (when money comes in), or should I start a new one later if I have troubles?
August 26, 2012 9:30:30 PM

Another thing I found on my journey, this video shows the same processor and graphics card (he fails the 560 ti, and goes for a plain 560) I wanted for this one. And it apparently works well!
August 26, 2012 10:43:35 PM

One more thing, the DVD drive I'm planning to use is SATA, but the form is likely too small (1.5 cm versus the normal 3.5 ish). Is there a bracket or enclosure I can get on the cheap to put it in?
August 27, 2012 1:37:00 AM

should be converters out there, though mostly It'll be just in the cover
August 27, 2012 8:17:42 PM

I took a look at the components I have again, and now I'm worried they won't fit.

The RAM I have is meant for laptops, so it's about half the size from what I've seen normal desktop RAM looks like. Here's my RAM. Here's some RAM that the support page said was okay. D'oh. Looks completely different.

I'll also need an adapter or entirely new hard drive for this build too (2.5 to 3.5). Here's my old drive. So much for the reuse of parts.

Do you guys have a recommendations for a cheap 250+ GB drive and at least 8 GB of RAM?
August 29, 2012 2:27:30 PM

Okay! Everything is ordered and on its way to me. Cross fingers and hope it all works when it gets here!
August 29, 2012 5:36:48 PM

Have fun and lots of patience putting it together. The cramped space can be a challenge. Just go slow and easy.

Good luck!
September 5, 2012 1:13:30 AM

Got a problem folks. System won't show any video. Went through the checklist on the forum. No luck. What can I do? I checked the connections, compatibility, the works. Oddly enough, when I turn it on, it stays on for a bit, shuts down, then starts again permanently until I force shut it down.

Checked processor, its fan, the thermal compound. All good, fan responds.
Checked RAM. Seated flush, in correct slots. Tried one and two cards at a time. All good.
Checked graphics card. Seated flush, tried DVI slot, power is connected correctly (one of the connections is on an 6 pin adapter), fans spin up. No problems there.
Tried integrated graphics without the graphics card using DVI. No luck.
No system speaker for boot noises, sadly.

Little note: Slim CD drive won't work. The SATA fits fine, but the power is some kind of connector I don't have on this motherboard.
September 5, 2012 4:09:00 PM

Double check that the slim optical drive doesn't have an adapter connected to the power connector. Those typically have a standard connector, but some laptops use an adapter that in proprietary to the brand.
September 5, 2012 9:36:21 PM

COLGeek said:
Double check that the slim optical drive doesn't have an adapter connected to the power connector. Those typically have a standard connector, but some laptops use an adapter that in proprietary to the brand.


No adapter. It actually looks kinda like a mini SATA (it has an L shape). Hope that isn't too vague. I'll get a picture when I can.

I contacted Shuttle and they had me do a few tests. Turns out the motherboard's RAM slots are bad. It only boots from the pair farthest away from the CPU. So I'm gonna get an RMA from them and send it back. More waiting. Derp.

EDIT: Turns out it's a SATA and Slimline SATA! Now to find an adapter that won't break the bank. Any suggestions?
September 6, 2012 11:18:48 AM

BIOS stting: USB in legacy mode
September 15, 2012 2:55:53 AM

Well, it's been about a week since Shuttle received my computer. They say their technician is still working on it. *sigh* Hope I can get it back by the end of this month or sooner.
September 17, 2012 5:18:29 PM

Called up Shuttle today. They said they're in the middle of a burn-in/benchmark today and it'll ship either today or tomorrow. Since I'm out in California, it should take about a day or two to get here. YAY! Shuttle's RMA process is actually pretty quick and nice compared to what I've heard on other forums.

By the way, ScrewySqrl, does the USB in Legacy Mode have to be on or off to use my keyboard and mouse once Windows starts?
September 17, 2012 6:20:21 PM

It shouldn't matter either way.
September 18, 2012 4:16:35 PM

If it doesn't work in bios, turn legacy mode on (which has the USB emulate PS/2 style)
September 20, 2012 1:26:02 AM

It works! Installed/uninstalled drivers, everything seems to be in working order. Is there a period of time where I should monitor or test anything? Is there a burn-in period, I heard?
September 20, 2012 2:28:00 AM

Glad you are up and running
September 20, 2012 6:37:35 AM

The MSI video card is running kind of noisily. Any suggestions on a particular Fan Curve?

It's running at 50 C on idle. Should I be worried or request a new card?
September 20, 2012 10:03:42 AM

50c idle is a little warm, but not horrible... my HD 6850 is 45C at idle
!