Obtaining those "rare" ingredients...

[Guest]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

I'm at a stage of my main toons' life where she is trying to upgrade
equipment to purples. A few of these items are manufactured and I'm forced
to grind for ingredients.... GAAAAHHHH... if you want to know whether there
are any farmers on your server, just look at a high end recipe and go to the
areas where the ingredients drop. You will see the same toons there, nearly
24 hours day, day after day. It gets a little frustrating when your only
other option is buying from the same farmer at the AH.

I guess for those with lots-o-cash, being able to buy everything you need
from the AH may be a godsend.

....just venting.

cheers.

 

[Max]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

? i dont get it... there r no reagents that drop only on 3 or 4 mobs
(total, not class).. all drop out at least 1 class of mob that have up
from 10-20 spawns so there must be at least 6 farmer to avoid u getting
the loot...
sure, getting (f.e.) Larva Acid is really hard (cause of 5% or less
drop chance) but its possible for everyone to grind it urself

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

lab wrote:

> I'm at a stage of my main toons' life where she is trying to upgrade
> equipment to purples. A few of these items are manufactured and I'm forced
> to grind for ingredients.... GAAAAHHHH... if you want to know whether there
> are any farmers on your server, just look at a high end recipe and go to the
> areas where the ingredients drop. You will see the same toons there, nearly
> 24 hours day, day after day. It gets a little frustrating when your only
> other option is buying from the same farmer at the AH.
>
> I guess for those with lots-o-cash, being able to buy everything you need
> from the AH may be a godsend.
>
> ...just venting.
>
> cheers.
>
>
Put me down as one of those farmers, though I am farming for materials
to use in my own skillins-up, or for trading with other crafters in my
guild. I have to admit, I spent 5 days, about 16 hours a day [broken up
with an occasional afk for making meals, bathroom breaks and general get
up and walk around breaks] in western plaguelands farming runecloth for
teh skillups in my tailoring, as well as factioning for argent dawn. Am
back there now farming runecloth for a guildie to use in skillups=) and
I get kingsblood in exchange for factioning thorium brotherhood.

Not all farmers are in it for the chinese market economy. Some of us are
trying to get stuff for our own skillups, or to make things to sell to
get gold to get training, auctionhouse things or mounts. I may have
gotten a free lil undead pony by virtue of being a warlock, but I have 4
hungry little pets that also need to get grimoirs bought for them, and
fairly expensive tradeskill recipes to buy. Roght now I am running
around a gold and a half per spell/grimoir/recipe[not from AH] and my
auctionhouse recipes can run from 2 gold to 100 gold...

 

[Max]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

lab wrote:
> 12 x Living Essence - Outside of DM there's two places that I know of and
> there are "always" farmers there, and the drop rate is no where near the 7%
> stated, more like 2%.
didnt try to get those...

> 10 x Essence of Water - Even harder to get, there is only one mob that
> "reliably" drops it, drops rates are nowhere near as high as stated on
> thottbot.
i got one while doin another quest (didnt remember the name) where u
must "transform" water elementals and then kill them. (in EP at the
lakes)... i think i killed 30 and got 1 essence... as a druid i have
much downtime, but most other classes should do this in a few
minutes... (perhaps i only had luck?!?)

> 8 x Laval Acid - as you said, very hard to get. Harder for farmers also as
> these guys are mroe spread out.
jepp, there is not 1 location where they r.. they r all over the
southern part of EP, so hard for gold farmer - easier for "us"

> I realize this is an Epic recipe and it is supposed be hard to gather the
> components (and get the recipe itself) I have no complaints about that. I
> just get a little frustrated that you can be willing to toil hard and long
> to get the components, but then spend most of your time waiting for respawns
> with 4 or 5 other people.
a friend of mine grinded for the larva acid (lvl 60 rogue). he got all
8 in about 4 hours... and he saw no other farmers... so the drop rate
is the hard thing, not other farmers...

> Another thing to consider is that this will vary from server to server. I'm
> on a full server.
on daytime (from 1:00 to 18:00) we have no queue on our server, after
this the queue is between 100 and 500... (sometimes more, sometime
less...)

 

[Max]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

Sorry, i dont find an edit option.. so double post
lab wrote:
> I realize this is an Epic recipe and it is supposed be hard to gather the
> components (and get the recipe itself) I have no complaints about that. I
> just get a little frustrated that you can be willing to toil hard and long
> to get the components, but then spend most of your time waiting for respawns
> with 4 or 5 other people.

thats the point! the rare reagents always r needed for epic recipes....
so why it should be easy to grind?!? there r only 3 possibilities to
get epic items:
1st: luck (epic random world drop)
2nd: High LVL instances like MC, BWL, Onyxia a.s.o. but in those u r
with 40 ppl and because of about 3 epics / boss this is in best case 24
epics from MC. so u need 2 full molten core runs to get 1 epic urself.
(2 runs = 2 weeks) every run with killing all bosses is about 4-6
hours. so u need to do instances for at least 8 hours to get 1 epic
item. now:
3rd: epic recipes: u need to grind about 10-20 hours to get f.e. the
hide of the wild. so its a bit more time grinding, then getting from an
instance, BUT u can do it solo and u definitiv know what u get after
this time... all in all, i think its fair. According to Allakhazam
median prices its also not so expensiv to buy all reagent for a hide of
the wild.

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

Max wrote:
> Sorry, i dont find an edit option.. so double post
> lab wrote:
>> I realize this is an Epic recipe and it is supposed be hard to
>> gather the components (and get the recipe itself) I have no
>> complaints about that. I just get a little frustrated that you can
>> be willing to toil hard and long to get the components, but then
>> spend most of your time waiting for respawns with 4 or 5 other
>> people.
>
> thats the point! the rare reagents always r needed for epic
> recipes....
> so why it should be easy to grind?!? there r only 3 possibilities to
> get epic items:

There's a whole Grand Canyon worth of gap between "easy to grind" and "don't
even try it. bub." Somehow, I highly doubt that the recipies were balanced
for having to compete with chinese farmers. Rather, you were intended to
compete with those who would get what they need, then get the hell out
because they were sick of fighting there.

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

"Max" <maxnews01@web.de> wrote in message
news:1124354941.818505.228020@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>? i dont get it... there r no reagents that drop only on 3 or 4 mobs
> (total, not class).. all drop out at least 1 class of mob that have up
> from 10-20 spawns so there must be at least 6 farmer to avoid u getting
> the loot...
> sure, getting (f.e.) Larva Acid is really hard (cause of 5% or less
> drop chance) but its possible for everyone to grind it urself

You're right for most items, but as an example look at "Hide of the Wild":
30 x Rugged leather - easily obtained by guild skinners.
12 x Living Essence - Outside of DM there's two places that I know of and
there are "always" farmers there, and the drop rate is no where near the 7%
stated, more like 2%.
10 x Essence of Water - Even harder to get, there is only one mob that
"reliably" drops it, drops rates are nowhere near as high as stated on
thottbot.
Quoted from a Thottbot post....
" This essence drops most reliably from about 12-13 level 54 mobs in one
location. It is the most overfarmed place in WoW. More than Tyr's Hand, more
than Sorrow Hill, more than Arathi. At any given time there are 2-3 Chinese
farmers milking the area. And with the new recipes the demand of essence of
water has increased even more.
This item really needs its drop expanded to other more accessible mobs. "
8 x Laval Acid - as you said, very hard to get. Harder for farmers also as
these guys are mroe spread out.
3 x Cured Rugged Hide - Easy
8 x Rune Thread - Easy

I realize this is an Epic recipe and it is supposed be hard to gather the
components (and get the recipe itself) I have no complaints about that. I
just get a little frustrated that you can be willing to toil hard and long
to get the components, but then spend most of your time waiting for respawns
with 4 or 5 other people.
Another thing to consider is that this will vary from server to server. I'm
on a full server.

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

Max wrote:
> 3rd: epic recipes: u need to grind about 10-20 hours to get f.e. the
> hide of the wild. so its a bit more time grinding, then getting from an
> instance, BUT u can do it solo and u definitiv know what u get after
> this time... all in all, i think its fair. According to Allakhazam
> median prices its also not so expensiv to buy all reagent for a hide of
> the wild.

Yep, adding up Allakhazam's median prices (all of which look to be in
the same ballpark as prices on my server) would give a cost in the
vicinity of 250-300 gold. I don't think it would be reasonable to expect
to pay much less than that and get an epic item like the Hide of the
Wild crafted.

Cheers!
David...

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:28:37 +0800, "lab" <mathersb@hotmail.com>
wrote:


>I realize this is an Epic recipe and it is supposed be hard to gather the
>components (and get the recipe itself) I have no complaints about that. I
>just get a little frustrated that you can be willing to toil hard and long
>to get the components, but then spend most of your time waiting for respawns
>with 4 or 5 other people.
>Another thing to consider is that this will vary from server to server. I'm
>on a full server.
>

There are a few (like 3) water elementals in the small lake by
Northdale in EPL. Depending on how badly these are farmed on your
server, these have been a relatively generously dropping group for me
on the couple of occasions I've stopped by.

On farmers in general - I despise nothing more. I'd rather group with
ninjas than these parasites. The few particular mobs worldwide that I
regularly hit up for materials are farmed so ruthlessly it is
literally a race to try to get a single mob to myself. Once they see
that someone is also after there mobs they just go into overdrive -
instead of fighting 2-3 mobs at once they pull up to 5! I just found
out a place I regularly farm furlbogs in Winterspring actually has 2
chest spawns! It's just that I had never seen them before because
there is a farmer who makes scheduled rounds snatching them up. Like
clockwork he rides through and checks his "crop".

The farmers are so blatant, so obvious in behavior (even names!) that
it really shows how little Blizzard cares to go after them.

Gnuthulhu
Thunderhorn(U.S.)

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

"Max" <maxnews01@web.de> wrote in message
news:1124440226.315670.27550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Sorry, i dont find an edit option.. so double post
> lab wrote:
>> I realize this is an Epic recipe and it is supposed be hard to gather the
>> components (and get the recipe itself) I have no complaints about that. I
>> just get a little frustrated that you can be willing to toil hard and
>> long
>> to get the components, but then spend most of your time waiting for
>> respawns
>> with 4 or 5 other people.
>
> thats the point! the rare reagents always r needed for epic recipes....
> so why it should be easy to grind?!?

You seem to have missed the point.

 

[Rastus]

Archived from groups: alt.games.warcraft (More info?)

> On farmers in general - I despise nothing more. I'd rather group with
> ninjas than these parasites. The few particular mobs worldwide that I
> regularly hit up for materials are farmed so ruthlessly it is
> literally a race to try to get a single mob to myself. Once they see
> that someone is also after there mobs they just go into overdrive -
> instead of fighting 2-3 mobs at once they pull up to 5! I just found
> out a place I regularly farm furlbogs in Winterspring actually has 2
> chest spawns! It's just that I had never seen them before because
> there is a farmer who makes scheduled rounds snatching them up. Like
> clockwork he rides through and checks his "crop".
>
> The farmers are so blatant, so obvious in behavior (even names!) that
> it really shows how little Blizzard cares to go after them.
>
> Gnuthulhu
> Thunderhorn(U.S.)

Meh. They are just working harder and smarter than you.

Welcome to life.