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July 7, 2012 8:29:37 PM

So i'm wanting to upgrade graphics card eventually and I was wondering which card is faster(performance wise in games such as bf3, gta IV, and other open map games).

Please just post facts(no benchmarks unless needed)

also if there is any other card that is faster than both of these then please post it.

Please post a manufacturer of the card(if you can please post a cool[temp] card that will last a long time even under very high loads)

and finally please no Intel or AMD fanboys


Thank you for you time and please leave a suggestion/advice in the bottom. :D 

More about : gtx670 radeon 7970

a c 99 U Graphics card
July 7, 2012 8:42:18 PM

Well between the two some games favor one card over the other. For example, Battlefield 3 favor Nvidia cards so it will have higher frames than an AMD card.

Performance wise the GTX 670 is still stronger in most games, will be higher when overclocked
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=508

But when you have an overclocked 7970 or the 7970 GHz Edition, the 7970 beats the 670 (non overclocked).

For the price though, GTX 670 is the best card for the money.

The two best card for temps and performance is here:
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All-Around Best GeForce GTX 670: Gigabyte N670OC-2GD

Gigabyte's card is quiet at idle and not too loud under load. Its cooling performance at idle, during normal desktop work, and during gaming is even better than Asus' card. It ties Zotac's effort for the lowest temperature at idle, but achieves its goal at a mere 20% fan duty cycle. When we configured it to cool our card down to 70°C, its sound level was still acceptable.

This is the slimmest card in our test, it weighs the least, and is even suitable for SLI configurations on motherboards with a just a single-slot gap between 16-lane interfaces. Unfortunately, that's pretty common. Although the N670OC-2GD doesn't include the highest overclock, it's currently selling online at the same $400 price point as completely stock reference cards. And that's with the Windforce 3X cooler. That combination cannot be beat.


Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-tes...

Hope that helps :) 
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July 7, 2012 8:44:54 PM

thank you for the info... I heard that the gigabyte, can get artifacts if pushed hard. any info on that?
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July 7, 2012 8:46:11 PM

im ok with spending 500 this is in the future and im ok with adding some to get the optimal performance
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July 7, 2012 8:52:30 PM

Radeon HD 7970 performs better than GTX 670,see this:
http://www.hwcompare.com/12508/geforce-gtx-670-vs-radeo...

AND if you are getting 7970 why not get the gtx 680,it's more powerful than 7970 with almost the same price but they are getting out of stock so,if could find one with almost same price get it or wait sometime for getting them into stock and if you don't want to wait just get 7970 and overclock it to get the almost the same performace but still you can see the difference.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
July 7, 2012 9:09:41 PM

oh no not this question again lol get the 670 because it's better bang for your buck the 7970 is over priced IMO
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July 7, 2012 9:31:17 PM

thank you all for your answers... I want a card that like i said can play open mapped games very well on the highes graphics setting... I don't care if one is the better deal as long as it is not about 520 im ok with buying it...

to matto17secs- why would the 670 be faster do you know why maybe the memory on the card or somthing.

ajaat- thanks for the suggestion the 680 looks good but is it cooled well?
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a c 593 U Graphics card
July 7, 2012 10:09:52 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
thank you all for your answers... I want a card that like i said can play open mapped games very well on the highes graphics setting... I don't care if one is the better deal as long as it is not about 520 im ok with buying it...

to matto17secs- why would the 670 be faster do you know why maybe the memory on the card or somthing?

Just judging by benchmarks for those games. BF3 and Skyrim are firmly favored by the GTX 670. If it were me, I'd take one look at the noise levels on that TechPowerUp chart and end the discussion right there. Be sure to flip through the benchmarks on that review while you're at it.
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July 7, 2012 10:56:11 PM

17seconds said:
Just judging by benchmarks for those games. BF3 and Skyrim are firmly favored by the GTX 670. If it were me, I'd take one look at the noise levels on that TechPowerUp chart and end the discussion right there. Be sure to flip through the benchmarks on that review while you're at it.

sound does not matter too me I always have a airfiler(allergies)in the back round and that is ******* load :p  but if the games are favored, I was atcually looking at a gtx 680
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperClocked-DisplayPort-Gra...
do you think that the extra power is worth the extra money...
also look at this for me please this is the version of the 670 I think i will get but in the case there is another version that makes the performance of the card better please tell me so I don't buy the wrong card :) 
http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GV-N670OC-2GD-GeForce-Wi...
also look at this
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Dual-Link-DisplayPort-Graphi...
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July 7, 2012 11:11:26 PM

17seconds said:
The GTX 670 will perform better in your preferred game-types (BF3, GTA IV, open world games like Skyrim and Fallout 3). It's also cheaper, considerably quieter, and allows gaming with PhysX and Adaptive VSync.
http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/16/nvidia_adaptive_v...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...


why are you using the reference 7970 ghz E for sound, secondly the 7970 ghz edition is neck and neck if not faster then the 680. you keep talking about the 670's quit fan, but fail to ask if he wants reference design or not. 7970 is a monster in custom coolers.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit... ths shows the 7970 8% faster then the 670 and 2% faster then the 680. it's even better then the 680 at performance per dollar, the 670 is still king there.
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July 7, 2012 11:18:36 PM

Do any of you know where I can buy the HD 7970 GHZ eddition

note:this purchase will not be for several months I was just wanting to see what my estimated price that I will have to save up for will be.
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a c 225 U Graphics card
July 7, 2012 11:26:01 PM

Gotta do an apples and apples comparison. Comparing a specially binned OC'd 7970 model against a reference 670 card isn't even apples and oranges, it's apples and grapes.

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite: Hard Reset, COD-MW2, Far Cry 2, ANNO 1404, Metro 2033, ANNO 2070, BFBC2, BF3, Crysis 2, AvP, Lost Planet 2. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

Card - Cost ( Single / 2-way SLI /CF ) $ / Frame - $ / Frame SLI/CF
GTX 680 - $ 500 ( 989 / 1578 ) $ 0.51 - $ 0.63
680 DCII Cu TOP - $ 520 ( 1077 / NA ) $ 0.48 - ERR
GTX 670 - $ 400 ( 917 / 1539 ) $ 0.44 - $ 0.52
670 DCII Cu TOP - $ 430 ( 999 / 1679 ) $ 0.43 - $ 0.51
7970 - $ 480 ( 872 / NA ) $ 0.55 - ERR
7970 DCII Cu - $ 580 ( 924 / NA ) $ 0.63 - ERR
7970 Ghz - $ 500 ( 952 / NA ) $ 0.53 - ERR

Putting the specially binned 7970 Ghz against the specially binned Asus 670 TOP.....its 999 fps at $0.42 per frame for the 670 TOP and 952 for the 7970 Ghz at $0.53 per frame.....that's 26% more $ per frame for the 7970 Ghz.....not to mention more noise and more power draw on the 7970.

TechPoweUp gives the 7970 Ghz Edition an 8.5 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...

TechPoweUp gives the 670 TOP an 10.0 rating, the only 10.0 rating ever
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

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Overall the ASUS GTX 670 Direct CU II is the best card I ever tested.
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a c 593 U Graphics card
July 7, 2012 11:37:21 PM

zakattak80 said:
why are you using the reference 7970 ghz E for sound, secondly the 7970 ghz edition is neck and neck if not faster then the 680. you keep talking about the 670's quit fan, but fail to ask if he wants reference design or not. 7970 is a monster in custom coolers.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit... ths shows the 7970 8% faster then the 670 and 2% faster then the 680. it's even better then the 680 at performance per dollar, the 670 is still king there.

The same would go for a custom overclocked 670 or 680 vs. the 7970.

The 7970 Ghz edition only comes in a reference design, which results in it being the loudest single GPU video card ever made.

If not sound, then, again for me, I would look no further than the unique graphics settings that the Nvidia cards offer, particularly PhysX, Adaptive VSync, FXAA, and TXAA. There is nothing unique about the AMD cards that is significant enough to sway a purchase. There is more to consider than performance when cards perform similarly, and the positives strongly weigh in favor or the GTX 670 or 680.
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July 7, 2012 11:56:03 PM

17seconds said:
The same would go for a custom overclocked 670 or 680 vs. the 7970.

The 7970 Ghz edition only comes in a reference design, which results in it being the loudest single GPU video card ever made.

If not sound, then, again for me, I would look no further than the unique graphics settings that the Nvidia cards offer, particularly PhysX, Adaptive VSync, FXAA, and TXAA. There is nothing unique about the AMD cards that is significant enough to sway a purchase. There is more to consider than performance when cards perform similarly, and the positives strongly weigh in favor or the GTX 670 or 680.


670 i think is the best high end card for the money, unless you count the 7950. but amd cards are much more suitable at extreme resolutions with almost a 10% lead against the 680. the cards this generation are so close in performance it's impossible to go wrong. the gap between the 580 vs 6970 or 480 vs 5870 was sad. this time AMD has really held there own.
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July 8, 2012 12:24:58 AM

so then what do you recommend?
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 12:25:41 AM

I was going to suggest the ASUS. But it's ultra quiet
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The Quietest GeForce GTX 670: Asus GTX670-DC2T-2GD5

If acoustics are high on your priority list, you're going to like the Asus card. Not only is it a well-built and quiet, but it also boasts the second-highest factory overclock. The new DirectCU II cooler shrank during its redesign for this card, but its performance is still excellent.

Galaxy/KFA²'s card is also quiet, but it didn't win because of its high temperatures under load and annoying coil chirping. That's almost certainly a flaw in our sample, though, and we'll retest when we receive a replacement.

It's important to add that, this time around, a dual-slot card proved to be the quietest, while triple-slot models made more noise. Wow.


Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-tes...

But, if you are leaning towards AMD the top card is the 7970 GHz. You may want to wait for it when it comes out.
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 12:57:36 AM

It won't get hotter, the clocks are lower than the top version.
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July 8, 2012 1:02:55 AM

huh... how much slower do you know becuase I don't know when or even if they will restock on the card... but im sold if they do
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 1:11:18 AM

Roughly a 5-10% performance difference.
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July 8, 2012 1:12:13 AM

damn i guess i can wait
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a c 593 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 2:21:33 AM

fantastik250 said:
I was going to suggest the ASUS, but according to Tom's Hardware there is some coil chirp and is a bit more hotter. But it's ultra quiet
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The Quietest GeForce GTX 670: Asus GTX670-DC2T-2GD5

If acoustics are high on your priority list, you're going to like the Asus card. Not only is it a well-built and quiet, but it also boasts the second-highest factory overclock. The new DirectCU II cooler shrank during its redesign for this card, but its performance is still excellent.

Galaxy/KFA²'s card is also quiet, but it didn't win because of its high temperatures under load and annoying coil chirping. That's almost certainly a flaw in our sample, though, and we'll retest when we receive a replacement.

It's important to add that, this time around, a dual-slot card proved to be the quietest, while triple-slot models made more noise. Wow.


Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-tes...

But, if you are leaning towards AMD the top card is the 7970 GHz. You may want to wait for it when it comes out.

You got the Asus and Galaxy cards mixed up. The Galaxy card has the coil chirp and runs hotter. The Asus GTX 670 DirectCU is quiet and cool.
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 2:24:56 AM

Yea, I noticed, I re-edited. Thanks for the correction matto :) 
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July 8, 2012 3:59:15 AM

ok so i guess i will wait then...
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 4:55:17 AM

Yea, I've noticed quite a bit of them as well. Some of people on the forums say don't take the reviews seriously. But, I think there may be a problem with the ASUS DCII version, not the TOP version.
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a c 109 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 5:02:12 AM

Newegg reviews are POS.
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a c 109 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 5:12:04 AM

I'd stick to reference cards like the EVGA ones.

Why?

The reference waterblocks for the GTX 670 are cute :love: 
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 5:24:06 AM

lol amuffin,

I would have to agree.

@Panicmaster: whichever GTX 670 you choose, it will be a great card purchase :) 
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July 8, 2012 5:29:10 AM

For the simple fact that you have to compare AMD's top card with Nvidia's 2nd tier card tell you which one wins and which is better.
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July 8, 2012 6:04:31 AM

yeah well the top nvidia card is over 1000 dollars soooooo :) 

yes I think ill go with the one bigcycle says... anyone know if that one has good cooling... im probably going to crossfire those 670's eventually
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a b U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 6:10:59 AM

Bottom line is the 7970 Ghz and Vanilla are the fastest cards out right now since the release of catalyst 12.7. My 680's sound like chainsaws at 85% fan, so I find it funny when matto17secs says the 7970 are the loudest cards. Without a custom fans curve the gtx 680 is one of the hottest cards. Go with the 7970 install 12.7 and overclock yes they oc better than anything else out.
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a c 225 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 6:21:11 AM

PanicMaster85 said:
I found this one the one you said is out of stock on newegg and i was wondering is this one any different or is it less powerfull?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also do you know how much hotter it gets?


The TOP version uses specially binned chips, otherwise everything is the same.
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a c 593 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 6:44:04 AM

redeemer said:
Bottom line is the 7970 Ghz and Vanilla are the fastest cards out right now since the release of catalyst 12.7. My 680's sound like chainsaws at 85% fan, so I find it funny when matto17secs says the 7970 are the loudest cards. Without a custom fans curve the gtx 680 is one of the hottest cards. Go with the 7970 install 12.7 and overclock yes they oc better than anything else out.

It was actually TechPowerUp and every other review site that said it.


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"The jump in power consumption also directly affects temperature and noise. While temperatures are just ok with 83°C under load, noise is completely unacceptable. The card runs at 51 dBA - one of the noisiest cards ever tested, noisier than NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 480."
"AMD's HD 7970 GHz edition is priced at $499, the same as NVIDIA's GTX 680. While this might seem enticing at first glance, since the GHz Edition is faster, NVIDIA's card wins at power-draw, noise, and manual overclocking, with the better card overall. I find $499 is just too high to really draw away much attention from the GTX 680, if the HD 7970 GHz Edition was $450 I'd definitely consider it, until that happens I'll happily take a GTX 680, or even GTX 670, which offers better price/performance at not much lower performance."
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...


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"As a result the 7970GE isn’t only loud but it’s in a category of its own, exceeding the GTX 680 by nearly 10dBA!"
"The 7970GE is without question the loudest single-GPU video card we have seen in quite some time, and that’s nothing for AMD to be proud of."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...

Quote:
"The end result is that while AMD has tied NVIDIA for the single-GPU performance crown with the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, the GeForce GTX 680 is still the more desirable gaming card. There are a million exceptions to this statement of course (and it goes both ways), but as we said before, these cards may be tied but they're anything but equal."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...
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Anonymous
July 8, 2012 6:51:17 AM

I could be wrong here but ive read that even the vanilla 7970 with the 12.7 cat drivers are faster then the gtx 680 in most games.
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a c 593 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 7:10:58 AM

Anonymous said:
I could be wrong here but ive read that even the vanilla 7970 with the 12.7 cat drivers are faster then the gtx 680 in most games.

Just check any of the 7970 Ghz reviews, they pretty much all used the new drivers.




http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/...
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July 8, 2012 1:06:36 PM

Go with Nvidia. I myself have an AMD card but for the simple fact that it has to take AMD several driver releases to get their 7 month old card fully operational tells you something.

I've always believe AMD mad good raw performing products, but not always. This month this card works great with these drivers, while that card doesn't work at all in this game with those drivers.

It's always Russian See-Saw with AMD cards.

Do yourself a favor go with an nVidia card with an after market cooler, either get it OC'd or do yourself, you won't regret it.

670/680, smaller, less power consumption, less noise, looks better, is better, feels better. (Just being dumb)

Like seriously how sad is it that you need so many driver updates to catch up to the competition with something they haven't released their top of the line cards. The 680 has been rumored to have been the original 660ti, now that tells you something.

So in all I'd say go with the 670 you save money and get just as much performance if not better than most.
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a b U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 1:54:10 PM

17seconds said:
It was actually TechPowerUp and every other review site that said it.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/images/fannoise_load.gif
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"The jump in power consumption also directly affects temperature and noise. While temperatures are just ok with 83°C under load, noise is completely unacceptable. The card runs at 51 dBA - one of the noisiest cards ever tested, noisier than NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 480."
"AMD's HD 7970 GHz edition is priced at $499, the same as NVIDIA's GTX 680. While this might seem enticing at first glance, since the GHz Edition is faster, NVIDIA's card wins at power-draw, noise, and manual overclocking, with the better card overall. I find $499 is just too high to really draw away much attention from the GTX 680, if the HD 7970 GHz Edition was $450 I'd definitely consider it, until that happens I'll happily take a GTX 680, or even GTX 670, which offers better price/performance at not much lower performance."
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6025/47503.png
Quote:
"As a result the 7970GE isn’t only loud but it’s in a category of its own, exceeding the GTX 680 by nearly 10dBA!"
"The 7970GE is without question the loudest single-GPU video card we have seen in quite some time, and that’s nothing for AMD to be proud of."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...

Quote:
"The end result is that while AMD has tied NVIDIA for the single-GPU performance crown with the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, the GeForce GTX 680 is still the more desirable gaming card. There are a million exceptions to this statement of course (and it goes both ways), but as we said before, these cards may be tied but they're anything but equal."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...



I didn't disagree that the 7970 reference is louder, than the 670 whuch is loud as well. The benchmarks you posted for "relative performance" doesnt mean much since we all do not play at every resolution. In no way you can say that the 670 is a better overall card than the 7970. Yes the 670 is a better buy at its price of 399 nothing more.
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July 8, 2012 4:23:11 PM

This purchase won't be for a couple of months does anyone know of a card that nvidia or AMD are planning to bring out?
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 7:05:55 PM

The next planned card from Nvidia is the GTX 660. AMD is to release the 7970 GHz edition soon.
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Anonymous
July 8, 2012 8:49:37 PM

Razec69 said:
Go with Nvidia. I myself have an AMD card but for the simple fact that it has to take AMD several driver releases to get their 7 month old card fully operational tells you something.

I've always believe AMD mad good raw performing products, but not always. This month this card works great with these drivers, while that card doesn't work at all in this game with those drivers.

It's always Russian See-Saw with AMD cards.

Do yourself a favor go with an nVidia card with an after market cooler, either get it OC'd or do yourself, you won't regret it.

670/680, smaller, less power consumption, less noise, looks better, is better, feels better. (Just being dumb)

Like seriously how sad is it that you need so many driver updates to catch up to the competition with something they haven't released their top of the line cards. The 680 has been rumored to have been the original 660ti, now that tells you something.

So in all I'd say go with the 670 you save money and get just as much performance if not better than most.


Really?I had a 7970 shortley after launch and it was FULLY operational and was the fastest card on the planet for what 3 months?I never had any problems with any of there drivers.You seem to forget the 7970 was out first it has to catch up to nothing.I myself am looking at getting a gtx 670 but the 7970 is a beast and you cant go wrong with that card either.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 8:56:45 PM

When does the 660 get released anyway ?
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a c 99 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 9:06:18 PM

It was supposed to either release June/July. But, no official word.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
July 8, 2012 9:23:01 PM

fantastik250 said:
It was supposed to either release June/July. But, no official word.
o.k. thanks for info :) 
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