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August 26, 2012 4:40:32 PM

Hello, I currently have a AMD 3 Core Phenom, 4GB DDR2, HD4850 GPU. I wish to upgrade even though this PC is mainly only bottlenecking at graphics for me.


I wanted to upgrade as follows; Keeping the current PC as a Pay-As-You-Go Upgrade

RAM/MOBO - to DDR3 4x 8GB Slots with 2 full PCI-E GPU Ports.
GFX/PSU - New Card, one that can play all current games and future on full for the remainder of 2012. / PSU that copes / stable.
CPU, using the AMD up until the last point, wanted to see how the 6-8x Core one's improve - or just get a good AMD quad that fits.


I now am considering putting aside a budget though for a new build from scratch, I would like to do this using SOME parts from my current PC saving money until replacing later. But if possible for you clever people - quoted with/without the parts I will list.


I have posted here before, you guys always blow my own ideas out the water and I'm pretty PC savvy, (More about repairs than new tech).

So here goes.

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: 31/8/2012 - 14/9/2012

Budget Range: All parts + delivery (£600.00) - I would consider this a max budget however, I am looking to cut back on some costs using old parts for later (Fans,Case,HDD). - I would like to buy these new, but these are open for recycle to improve better spec in new build.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Surfing the internet, Downloading, Office & Music.

Are you buying a monitor: later, not now. - Wanting to dual monitor the PC in a few months after build.


Parts to Upgrade: All parts (new tower from scatch, considered recycle of parts are listed above to get best bang-for-buck).

Do you need to buy OS: No - I will purchase this myself.


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: ebuyer, aria, or actually even my own supplies www.ajcs-shop.co.uk

Location: Middlesbrough, United Kingdom

Parts Preferences: I am outdated, I dont want a AMD/Intel Flame War however I personally have had better exp with AMD - Here I am after the best bang-for-buck without a loss in quality.

Overclocking: Maybe - I want a good length of life - I tend to not overclock but still use aftermarket coolers and maintain often.

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe - later date, would like the option if its needed in future.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1600 x 900

Additional Comments: current PC isn't bad but I want something really nice, I love playing games, music (the works on my PC) but its time to move on as this one is getting sluggish and I want to enjoy my games on max settings when I get the time out of work to do so!.


And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: (I have nice new speakers and my games are only ran at medium, I dont like to push my PC for max graphics generally so I want something that will cope without it breaking a sweat and that is future proof).

I will ideally salvage this current PC that I am replacing for my partner.
August 26, 2012 5:39:57 PM

the fx chips SUCK at games. its actually worse than the phenom ii x4s

the video card seems ok. still a decent performer.
August 27, 2012 1:28:48 PM

Ok , I have had some deep thoughts about this and currently looking at these parts, however I would feel tons better if someone was able to confirm these are all compatbile and I have not missed anything, doh!

CPU: INTEL IVYBRIDGE I5 3570K QUAD CORE 3.4GHz SOCKET 1155
£174.95

MOBO: ASROCK Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3
£96.66

PSU: CORSAIR 750W ENTHUSIAST SERIES PSU 80 PLUS CERT 8 x SATA
£84.36

Case: EVO LABS E-X8818 4 BAY ATX CASE WITH 3 LED FANS BLACK MESH FINISH
£23.88

RAM:
Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance Memory X2
£38.00 x2 = £76.00

GFX Card:
Gigabyte HD 7850 OC Windforce X2 975MHz 4800MHz 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Dual Mini DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
£187.96

This all totals up to: and I am looking at at least a 1TB HDD and am leaning towards a Samsung F4 Spinpoint - Which does not have to come in the above £600 ish budget as this will be provided seperate.

Does this seem like a good build?
Are they any better combinations?
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August 27, 2012 1:31:16 PM

Total: £643.80 + Delivery (T: £6.95) & (E: £8.98) = £15.93 Delivery Total

Correction: Max Budget is now £650 (Ish). Not including HDD/Optical/ Fan(s)? but must include case any any addition internal wires.
August 27, 2012 3:02:39 PM

More changes: due to mobo selected having BIOS issues with that CPU, and better pricing after a shuffle.

CPU:
INTEL IVYBRIDGE I5 3570K QUAD CORE 3.4GHz SOCKET 1155 PROCESSOR UNLOCKED
£174.95 (Supplier)

MOBO:
ASROCK Z77-EXTREME 4 S1155 USB3 ATX
£101.12 (Supplier)

CASE:
EVO LABS E-X8818 4 BAY ATX CASE WITH 3 LED FANS BLACK MESH FINISH
£23.88 (Supplier)

RAM:
Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance Memory Module CL10 (X2)
£75.99 (£38.00 each) (ebuyer)

GPU:
Gigabyte HD 7850 OC Windforce X2 975MHz 4800MHz 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Dual Mini DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
£187.96 (ebuyer)

PSU:
Corsair TX 750W V2 PSU - 80plus Bronze Certified
£83.28

Total: 647.18 + delivery


August 27, 2012 3:12:20 PM

CPU: good
MOBO: good
CASE: no idea, but I'm sure it'll do the job
RAM: can do better. You're gaming, so you only need 8GB. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-(2x4gb)-corsair-ddr3-vengeance-jet-black-lp-pc3-12800-(1600)-non-ecc-cas-9-9-9-24-xmp-15v
GPU: good
PSU: good
August 27, 2012 3:19:38 PM

Im happy with going for a 16GB as I do do other things other than games.

Those sticks seem very much similar however CAS was a tad different.


I do not wish to make the same mistake with filling my board with half sticks that I did with my current PC.


I know the load would be spread on 2 Chips rarther than one, however if I am happy to buy the 16GB (2x8GB) over the 2x4GB this would still be better surely?
August 27, 2012 3:24:54 PM

Depends on your purposes. If you're just gaming and doing browsing and Office work, then 16GB is too much. But, if you can make use of it with video encoding, editing, Adobe CS6, etc. than 16GB is just right.
August 27, 2012 3:38:21 PM

you could get 2 kits of vengeance 2x4gb at scan for 29.99 a set. there is no point of 32gb in the future since you cant use it. 8gb dimms arent needed

id get a gigabyte ud3h instead of the asrock board but thats a personal preference
August 27, 2012 4:56:15 PM

These are all useful suggestions, thanks.

Ah , video encoding, Yes, When converting video it took forever, additional RAM will speed this up?
August 27, 2012 5:00:01 PM

no. intel has quick sync which allows for very fast video encoding on the intergrated GPU. very fast

you can go on youtube and search up Linus's video about quicksync
August 27, 2012 5:05:33 PM

Thanks. I'll just get 4x4 as suggested, I actually didnt realise I was over-doing it regarding RAM
August 27, 2012 5:18:24 PM

its technically cheaper to get 2 kits of 2x4gb vengeance ram at scan.
August 27, 2012 5:18:27 PM

The heatsink/fins will interfere with your CPU cooler, if you're getting one.
August 27, 2012 5:21:14 PM

An Intel quad gets my vote. Intel QuickSync is amazing, and it will be a big upgrade from your tri-core.
August 27, 2012 5:21:35 PM

I have questions about the improvment of CPU.

Is this intel quad any good? compared to my AMD 3x Core? or should I stick to AMD and get a x6 core instead?
August 27, 2012 5:22:21 PM

the vengeance LP are cheaper at scan. the regular vengeance wont fit as stated
August 27, 2012 5:22:38 PM

Yes.
August 27, 2012 5:23:04 PM

Do I need to get smaller RAM then without the heatsinks?
August 27, 2012 5:27:50 PM

the Low Profile one's are not in stock for scan that were linked, will look for some of these now.

What I mean is, it is a cost worthy upgrade from the tri-core. When a 6x core AMD can be picked up for the same price more or less? Vauge I know, but I'm going to feel like this is worth It arnt i? :D 
August 27, 2012 5:32:02 PM

Thanks, this will do around £70 :) 
August 27, 2012 5:32:53 PM

CPU:
INTEL IVYBRIDGE I5 3570K QUAD CORE 3.4GHz SOCKET 1155 PROCESSOR UNLOCKED
£174.95 (Supplier)

MOBO:
ASROCK Z77-EXTREME 4 S1155 USB3 ATX
£101.12 (Supplier)

CASE:
EVO LABS E-X8818 4 BAY ATX CASE WITH 3 LED FANS BLACK MESH FINISH
£23.88 (Supplier)

RAM:
Corsair 16GB DDR3 1600 MHz Vengeance Memory (4x 4GB)
£70.24 (ebuyer)

GPU:
Gigabyte HD 7850 OC Windforce X2 975MHz 4800MHz 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Dual Mini DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
£187.96 (ebuyer)

PSU:
Corsair TX 750W V2 PSU - 80plus Bronze Certified
£83.28

Total: 647.18 + delivery


August 27, 2012 5:38:13 PM

Some people think that because there six cores compared to the four cores of the i5, it's more powerful. Wrong. Intel has stronger cores compared to AMD's chips. Quality over quantity. AMD isn't bad, but compared to Intel's offerings, their chips are weak.
August 27, 2012 5:41:53 PM

Certainly coming together, I want to buy some of these parts today, and order the rest when I get paid on 31st. Cant bloody wait :D 

What do you think of my picked GPU? Is that a decent card that will max out all current games? Or do I need to pour more coins at it.

you see I can wait on a GPU if it means waiting a month and throwing £300 at it later.

CPU:
INTEL IVYBRIDGE I5 3570K QUAD CORE 3.4GHz SOCKET 1155 PROCESSOR UNLOCKED
£174.95 (Supplier)

MOBO:
ASROCK Z77-EXTREME 4 S1155 USB3 ATX
£101.12 (Supplier)

CASE:
EVO LABS E-X8818 4 BAY ATX CASE WITH 3 LED FANS BLACK MESH FINISH
£23.88 (Supplier)

RAM:
Corsair 16GB DDR3 1600 MHz Vengeance Memory (4x 4GB)
£70.24 (ebuyer)

GPU:
Gigabyte HD 7850 OC Windforce X2 975MHz 4800MHz 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Dual Mini DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
£187.96 (ebuyer)

PSU:
Corsair TXM 650W Modular PSU
£77.19 (ebuyer)

Total: £635.34 + delivery


August 27, 2012 5:41:55 PM

I used to be all for itel, but half of these i5 i7's just looked like they were going back to the HT CPU's like my last P4 - which was a beast. but was partial to overheating for fun.

Im all for quality over quantity, so I'll see how this goes!
August 27, 2012 5:47:57 PM

the tx 650m is not modular in the sense that you think. only 4 cables are modular which is kinda pointless. not to mention the M unit is a much older design and unit itself
August 27, 2012 5:52:41 PM

my unit that i suggested (the xfx 650w) is identical the corsair unit other than the casing. its 5 pounds cheaper and has a great warranty and customer support (corsair has good warranty but customer support is slow given they have a lot of people buying their stuff and are often very busy)
August 27, 2012 5:57:52 PM

got an extra £22 I can spent on a case:

current: CASE:
EVO LABS E-X8818 4 BAY ATX CASE WITH 3 LED FANS BLACK MESH FINISH
£23.88 (Supplier)
August 27, 2012 5:58:42 PM

I would prefer one off ebuyer as seperate sites rack up delivery and/or different delivery times / orders.

I have split it down to two retailers, my own IT supplier for parts and ebuyer.

I had a look on ebuyer but that one was much more expensive from them.
August 27, 2012 6:02:19 PM

if you dont want to get it from other sites, then get the corsair unit

id get a nice case like a fractal core 3000 or a antec 302. they offer a lot of room for the unused cables

August 27, 2012 6:11:51 PM

the elite 430 is kinda loww end. look at my suggestions
August 27, 2012 6:13:39 PM

I have a question regarding airflow, it seems most PSU's lately draw air inside the case? I would rarther that isnt the case but it hasnt had any issues with my current rig.

When did this happen? - Looking at the coolermaster its similar to my current but with more fan grills and a window.

I suppose I should look for an aftermarket cooler now!
August 27, 2012 6:17:11 PM

I did look at those, just liked the look of this case better. It's cheaper and contains enough fan grills.

bottom mounted PSU seems to be the only difference?

August 27, 2012 6:18:54 PM

£46.67 I can get the Antec one for on my own supplier, will likely get that.
August 27, 2012 6:23:45 PM

are you getting the antec ONE or the antec 302
August 27, 2012 6:31:14 PM

I am going to order half of these parts right away. then wait until payday on Friday to order the rest :) 


Thanks so much guys! if there are any more suggestions, please be quick as I cant wait to get started building!
August 27, 2012 6:43:20 PM

Sweet, thanks a million you guys :) 
August 29, 2012 4:57:52 PM

Still waiting on first batch of parts, then most of it I order when i get paid on Friday for Saturday delivery!

Hopefully I'll take a few photos, if you guys like to see what becomes of your advise? :) 

Thanks again
August 29, 2012 5:26:31 PM

Sure, that'd be cool.
August 29, 2012 5:53:00 PM

We'd love to. Good luck!
September 4, 2012 5:22:22 PM

Build turned out OK, bit wary due to the PSU fan never been used but turns out its because the PSU is very very good.


I had a few minor issues with drivers, when loading Skyrim the PC ends up crippled with about 3000 processes, but this was a driver issue that came right up in Google right away (steam forums.)


Sometimes I do get a strange noise from case and was not sure what it was since all fans I looked at didnt seem to be the thing causing it. Thinking it may be a fan speeding up briefly due to it been set to speed up if needed. Or the HDD - its not happened more than once or as bad since I moved the HDD to the lower end of the case (so could be vibration?).

PC itself again seems OK however the HDD is abit noisey compared to my last F3 Samsung spinpoint. I can live with that until I get an SSD later. Will attact some pics, but PC is handling ARMA2 and Skyrim well and I am happy with it.

Thanks again guys :) 
!