In search of 8x12 in digital

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Cardamon Dave wrote:
>I recently took a digital image shot with an Olympus C-5060 and asked
> the lab to print it to 8 x 12 inches, not the typical 8 x 10 size
> offered by online photo printers. The best they could manage was 8 x
> 10.5 . They claimed that the aspect ratio of my camera's sensor wasn't
> proportional to the 3:2 format of 35mm film.
>
> I know most digicam sensors are tiny compared to a full frame
> negative. But has anyone on this list managed to output an 8 x
> 12-inch print (without cropping) from a non-DSLR digital camera? If
> so, which camera, or what size sensor, was used?
>
> I use a variety of consumer digital cameras (Olympus, Canon, Kodak,
> Panasonic, and Nikon Coolpix), but I would rather buy my next one so I
> can get an 8 x 12 print when wanted. Thanks.
>
> -Cardamon Dave

I don't know what the proportions are for your sensor, but it is a good
bet it is not the same as 3x2. Assuming that is true the only way you can
print full bleed (all the way to the edges) 8X12 is to crop or to stretch
the image. I would normally suggest cropping. Have you composed the
original so tight that you now can't crop?

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

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Joe: It's a 1/1.8 " sensor, pretty small (7.18 x 5.32 mm). The only way
you get a 3:2 aspect ratio is by reducing the pixel count (example:
1600 x 1200), or by cropping.

The image in question is a nature shot that I didn't anticipate
cropping. It will work ok as an 8 x 10, I guess. I was just a bit put
off because the C-5060 has a 27mm wide-angle lens (35mm equiv), and an
8 x 12 print really would show off the wide-angle capability of the
lens.

>From what I gather, only the APS-sized or full-frame sensors will give
me something close to a 3:2 format.

-Cardamon

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Cardamon Dave wrote:
> Joe: It's a 1/1.8 " sensor, pretty small (7.18 x 5.32 mm). The only
> way you get a 3:2 aspect ratio is by reducing the pixel count
> (example: 1600 x 1200), or by cropping.
>
> The image in question is a nature shot that I didn't anticipate
> cropping. It will work ok as an 8 x 10, I guess. I was just a bit put
> off because the C-5060 has a 27mm wide-angle lens (35mm equiv), and an
> 8 x 12 print really would show off the wide-angle capability of the
> lens.

Why not allow some white space along the 12" edges. That way you will
get the full width?

>
>>From what I gather, only the APS-sized or full-frame sensors will give
> me something close to a 3:2 format.
>
> -Cardamon

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

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In article <1126477653.011732.244450@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Cardamon Dave" <davek57@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I recently took a digital image shot with an Olympus C-5060 and asked
> the lab to print it to 8 x 12 inches, not the typical 8 x 10 size
> offered by online photo printers. The best they could manage was 8 x
> 10.5 . They claimed that the aspect ratio of my camera's sensor wasn't
> proportional to the 3:2 format of 35mm film.
>
> I know most digicam sensors are tiny compared to a full frame negative.
> But has anyone on this list managed to output an 8 x 12-inch print
> (without cropping) from a non-DSLR digital camera? If so, which camera,
> or what size sensor, was used?
>
> I use a variety of consumer digital cameras (Olympus, Canon, Kodak,
> Panasonic, and Nikon Coolpix), but I would rather buy my next one so I
> can get an 8 x 12 print when wanted. Thanks.
>
> -Cardamon Dave

If you want to make an 8x12 full frame print you need to start with a
negative that has the same aspect ratio. In this case, 2:3. It is not
about the size of the sensor, but the ratio of the sides.

So to find out, say you have a camera that says it has a 4 x 6 sensor.
Divide the horizontal size of the print by the horizontal size of the
sensor (12/6=2) and do the same with the vertical (8/4=2). If those two
numbers are equal you can make a full frame 8x12 print. If they don't,
you will need to crop.

But for some reason consumer level digi makers don't like that ratio so
you are out of luck.

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Cardamon Dave wrote:
> I recently took a digital image shot with an Olympus C-5060 and asked
> the lab to print it to 8 x 12 inches, not the typical 8 x 10 size
> offered by online photo printers. The best they could manage was 8 x
> 10.5 . They claimed that the aspect ratio of my camera's sensor wasn't
> proportional to the 3:2 format of 35mm film.
>
> I know most digicam sensors are tiny compared to a full frame negative.
> But has anyone on this list managed to output an 8 x 12-inch print
> (without cropping) from a non-DSLR digital camera? If so, which camera,
> or what size sensor, was used?
>
> I use a variety of consumer digital cameras (Olympus, Canon, Kodak,
> Panasonic, and Nikon Coolpix), but I would rather buy my next one so I
> can get an 8 x 12 print when wanted. Thanks.
>
> -Cardamon Dave
>
Dave,
There are quite a few P/S digicams that will capture images at 3:2
Aspect Ratio as well as the more common 4:3 aspect ratio.
As others have pointed out, it does not depend on the size of the
sensor but on the software that the manufacturer incorporates into the
camera.
Check out the following 5 MP cameras:
Casio EX 257, Fuji Finepix Z1, and Olympus 5500
There are many more (usually in the 5+ MP range).
Look in http://www.steves-digicams.com for others.
Bob Williams

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> I recently took a digital image shot with an Olympus C-5060 and asked
> the lab to print it to 8 x 12 inches, not the typical 8 x 10 size
> offered by online photo printers. The best they could manage was 8 x
> 10.5 . They claimed that the aspect ratio of my camera's sensor wasn't
> proportional to the 3:2 format of 35mm film.
>
> I know most digicam sensors are tiny compared to a full frame
> negative. But has anyone on this list managed to output an 8 x
> 12-inch print (without cropping) from a non-DSLR digital camera? If
> so, which camera, or what size sensor, was used?

Non-DSLR digicam sensors have roughly the same ratio, so you won't be
ableto get an 8x12 (or a 4x6, for that matter) without cropping. If
you know you're going to want 8x12, plan to crop.

DSLR's will give you 4x6 and 8x12, but you'll have to crop to get 5x7
or 8x10.

-Joel

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"Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@exc.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> I know most digicam sensors are tiny compared to a full frame
>> negative. But has anyone on this list managed to output an 8 x
>> 12-inch print (without cropping) from a non-DSLR digital camera? If
>> so, which camera, or what size sensor, was used?
>

My Ricoh RDC-5000 and RDC-5300 cameras have a 3:2 aspect ratio. They've
been discontinued, but are still available on eBay. They are 122x1792
pixels (2.3 MP) and may be insufficient for your needs, but I have had
pleasing 8x10s made by OFOTO (Kodak).

I have always been partial to the 3:2 aspect ratio. It is close to the way
that humans see, and it I never could stand square prints, such as I get
from my MF TLR. I shoot landscapes, and the square negative introduces too
much sky and foreground for my taste. Some photogs love that, but I have a
clear preference for something a bit less "square."

I've see some current digicams that have something called "Postcard" mode,
which is apparently oriented toward 4x6 prints. Sorry, but I can't recall
any particular models, but there seem to be at least a few of them out
there.