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January 12, 2013 5:21:29 AM

so i just got and installed a i5-3570k today,

basically i have it overclocked to 4.3(maybe higher in the future)

CPU-Z under full load says its is running at 4.3ghz, Core voltage as 1.160v, max heat after 20min of testing is 72c... I need this CPU for at least about 2 years do you think it can last that long at this kind of stress?

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January 12, 2013 5:37:07 AM

Yeah with no problems. With that voltage and temp you will be fine for more like 7-10 years than 1-3. It's not like you are trying to squeeze 5Ghz out of it at 1.4v. My friend still has a Core2Duo E8400 I bought new in 2008 and overclocked to 4Ghz ( 3Ghz stock ) from day 1 and it still runs fine. In fact I'm pretty sure the Core2Duo E6600 from 2006 that I replaced with the E8400 is still running fine at 3.2Ghz ( 2.4Ghz stock ).
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January 12, 2013 5:40:51 AM

wow ok well im going to do a little more overclocking until i am satistfied with what i have and then i will shoot the specs about it at you and can you tell me if its safe

also what temp is to high with a 3570k?
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January 12, 2013 5:51:33 AM

You want the mid 70s at the top end. Most people get ~4.3 - 4.4Ghz out of a lower-midrange cooler. You probaby need to get a higher end cooler to go higher. Your voltage is very good though.
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January 12, 2013 5:59:27 AM

thanks yeah here is what i have and i will run prime test for longer maybe on monday but after 20min and doing other things i feel like it is fairly stable.


Core Voltage, 1.184(ish it goes up and down a bit), 4.3ghz(i cant seem to pull 4.4 even when i bump up the voltage two notches its still bluescreens me.... kinda dissapointing really because i mean i pulled 4.7 with my 8120 and i was using a crappy motherboard but now im using extreme6 :/ ) Temps, average about 72 max

any idea why i cant pull 4.4?

note: after a while i will be getting a new case(I dont need one just want it to look cool :p ) and will be getting a custom water block but that is probably about 8 months and 500 dollars in the future :p 
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January 12, 2013 6:08:27 AM

4.3 may just be your chips wall. And you cant compare Intel to AMD because of the different manufacturing process and architecture. The Ivy at 4.3 will be faster than the 8120 at 4.7 in 99% of any benchmarks.

Custom water cooling is fine as a hobby and all and if you just want something to pour money into but honestly is it worth hundreds of dollars in parts and time for maybe a few hundred megahertz in overclock? You would get a lot more performance out of adding another graphics card or just buyng a 6 core CPU to begin with depending on your use of the computer.
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January 12, 2013 6:20:23 AM

anort3 said:
4.3 may just be your chips wall. And you cant compare Intel to AMD because of the different manufacturing process and architecture. The Ivy at 4.3 will be faster than the 8120 at 4.7 in 99% of any benchmarks.

Custom water cooling is fine as a hobby and all and if you just want something to pour money into but honestly is it worth hundreds of dollars in parts and time for maybe a few hundred megahertz in overclock? You would get a lot more performance out of adding another graphics card or just buyng a 6 core CPU to begin with depending on your use of the computer.

great point... i guess i will take that advice, another 670 it is :p (though i cant pass up on the case i need some eye candy to show my computer off :D 
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January 12, 2013 1:23:11 PM

I expect 22 years, 7 months, 23 days, 5 hours and 37 minutes. Please report back if I'm right.
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January 12, 2013 4:08:50 PM


An FX8120 at 4.7GHz is good stuff. It would be interesting to see what your motherboard would do with a Piledriver. An i5 at any clock is not going to top that in multi-threaded stuff.

The GB 970-UD3 AM3+ is on sale this weekend for $100. Might work preeeeeeeety good with an FX6300:D 


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January 14, 2013 12:41:31 PM

no! i just upgraded from a 8120 and even though it was maxed to the point of exhaustion i could barely get 55fps in bf3 and it would go down to 20 at points after getting my 3570k im now pulling 60 steady sometimes 50
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January 14, 2013 1:39:34 PM

That's a pretty safe voltage/clock speed but so i wouldn't worry about your cpu giving out, however you may want to invest in some better cooling @ 72C your cpu will degrade performance wise much quicker the Tcase for your CPU is 67.4C so you should aim for a max temp of 66C @ full load using all your available memory, do some fine tuning to the voltage to drop your temps or try dropping the voltage on your RAM, running fans over the heatsinks on your motherboard may help aswell.
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January 14, 2013 1:59:07 PM

Wisecracker said:
An FX8120 at 4.7GHz is good stuff. It would be interesting to see what your motherboard would do with a Piledriver. An i5 at any clock is not going to top that in multi-threaded stuff.

The GB 970-UD3 AM3+ is on sale this weekend for $100. Might work preeeeeeeety good with an FX6300:D 


Idk about that the architecture is completely different, the 3570k packs .2 million more trigate transistors which are what gives it the edge over SB, most games are optimized for a maximum of four cores aswell, an i5 is more suited for gaming than the FX 8120, cs6 will run pretty nicely on it though as it will take advantage of all 8 cores, @ $120 it is a good deal price to performance. An FX 8350, or i5 2500k will probably get around the same or better performance as an overclocked IB though depending on the clock speed and cooling due to the overclocking limitations of ivybridge.
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January 14, 2013 2:47:18 PM

How long do you think I have until the performance starts to lower? Are we talking years or months? Also yeah I can see what you mean though for some reason games just don't like the 8120 :p 
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January 14, 2013 2:57:20 PM

Your performance won't "start to lower", the problem is requirements will get higher.
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January 14, 2013 3:00:59 PM

Sorry b t what do you mean by that last part?
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January 14, 2013 3:10:50 PM

I mean your CPU will still be working in 2020 but software requirements will have passed it way before. The performance of the CPU has not changed, but the environment has.
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January 14, 2013 3:14:06 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
Sorry b t what do you mean by that last part?

He means,While your cpu will still be just as fast as when you first got it,The GPU's and games will be more demanding and hence you will need to upgrade when the 3570k starts to bottleneck...Thats why i went with the x79 platform and a 3820,Intel will be releasing more cpu's on the x79 platform in the future and i can always upgrade to a 3930k or whatever they come out with.
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January 14, 2013 3:18:16 PM

Nice ok yeah I know that u will upgrade in about 2 years so I should be able to last until then especially with a 3.3ghz cpu
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January 14, 2013 3:19:02 PM

Sure.
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January 14, 2013 3:24:13 PM

So then no? Was that agreeing??
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January 14, 2013 3:27:16 PM

Fo sho you will last two years with the i5 :D 
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January 14, 2013 3:59:54 PM

FinneousPJ said:
I mean your CPU will still be working in 2020 but software requirements will have passed it way before. The performance of the CPU has not changed, but the environment has.

If the next six years pan out about the same as the past six years, I would not expect much everyday/mainstream software's CPU requirements to increase that much. Lots of people around here with Core2Quads and first-gen i5/i7 are not feeling much of an urge to upgrade aside from an arbitrary itch to refresh their platforms with updated integrated goodies and better power efficiency.

Were it not for swapping driving me nuts on my 8GB C2D-E8400 and 16GB DDR2 costing nearly as much as i5+h77+16GB DDR3, I would still be using my C2D today - still felt perfectly adequate for 95% of what I do on a regular basis. While the i5-3470 is technically 2-2.5X as fast based on benchmarks, it only feels 20-30% faster for my everyday use. (Not counting when I load enough programs to make the C2D hit the swapfile, which naturally nukes performance.)
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January 14, 2013 4:12:40 PM

Yeah I see what you mean... I used to have a core2duo 1.8ghz and a 4650 graphics card 2500rpm 350gb hd and 2gb of ddr1 ram that's what I came from... Surfed the Web very well
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January 14, 2013 4:38:23 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
no! i just upgraded from a 8120 and even though it was maxed to the point of exhaustion i could barely get 55fps in bf3 and it would go down to 20 at points after getting my 3570k im now pulling 60 steady sometimes 50

thats odd. sounds like you had some cpu throttling going on. I run regularly 120 fps with small drops to 90s with 2x 6970 ghz cards. 60 is pretty much the cap on the gtx 670.

Im running the 8120@ 4.7 ghz, and it doesn't throttle when stress testing (good ASUS board to thank for that, gigabyte couldn't do it properly), I also run 2133 memory wich could be another part of it.

anyway, good luck overclocking the 3570, sounds like you may have gotten a weaker chip that just can't go past 4.3.
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January 14, 2013 5:14:01 PM

Ok.... Yeah I don't know it never went over 60c though it did have up and down ghz... Though nice system and yeah I was running off a ga-970a-ud3.... Also no 60 is not the Cao I turned off vsync and got around 80 so please don't start this 6970 bs
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January 14, 2013 5:23:37 PM

that all depends on your settings. most any review on the 670 pits BF3 at ~60 fps on ultra 4x aa



or no AA -



there is no 6970 bs, its dependent on the settings, thats all.
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January 14, 2013 7:28:38 PM

And you started it.... Listen the 6970 alone is 30 percent (or more considering it's about the same performance as a 7850) less powerful then a 670... Now the fact hat you have no bottleneck with your 8120 is very strange.... And I doubt it's true do you have your support afterburner overlay?
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January 14, 2013 7:42:22 PM

FinneousPJ said:
I mean your CPU will still be working in 2020 but software requirements will have passed it way before. The performance of the CPU has not changed, but the environment has.


Well cpu's will physically degrade overtime aswell, but it's more of a problem @ higher voltages/clock speeds. You'll eventually get less gflops per core, have to increase voltage to maintain the same clock speeds, and it may not be able to overclock as far as when you first got it. With your overclock you don't really need to worry about it, but if your really concerned like I said before fine tune your voltages (PLL, VSA, etc.), if your running 1.65v ram you should grab some 1.5v dimms that are rated a bit higher than your target ram speed so you can drop the voltage and down clock them to 1600 and just OC the timings a bit, or if your using all 4 dimm slots use 2 in dual channel mode, or just buy a better cooler. But yea you'll need to upgrade before your CPU dies, or majorly degrades.
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January 14, 2013 7:51:31 PM

One question could the reason I can't get to 3.4 even though I have not tri d to much.... Could it be because I only have 1333mhz ram?
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January 14, 2013 8:21:51 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
One question could the reason I can't get to 3.4 even though I have not tri d to much.... Could it be because I only have 1333mhz ram?


well it would depend more on the voltage than the speed, what voltage is your ram running at?
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January 14, 2013 9:08:28 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
And you started it.... Listen the 6970 alone is 30 percent (or more considering it's about the same performance as a 7850) less powerful then a 670... Now the fact hat you have no bottleneck with your 8120 is very strange.... And I doubt it's true do you have your support afterburner overlay?

Im at work right now, but I think you missed something.

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2x 6970 ghz cards


yes, a single 6970 isn't as fast, but crossfire powercoler pcs OC edition is a different story. Mine actually run at 970mhz isntead of the 880 stock, 1ghz wasn't stable on the 2nd card.

I think the bigger issue was the gigabyte board. they have problems actually disabling C6 states. Even when overclocked, the cpu would bounce to 2.8 ghz to cool down or protect the motherboard's VRM, not sure wich the gigabyte's problem was, but id bet its the VRM protection.
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January 15, 2013 12:56:23 AM

hmm yeah sorry i didnt notice you said crossfire thought you were just saying one could get that :p 

also yeah i think it may have been... oh well im glade I got the 3570k anyways its a nice chip and i think i will get better performance out of it in the long run


HD;
how do i check that?
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January 15, 2013 1:49:34 AM

If you have default DDR3 1333 it's 1.5v and fine. I don't believe there were ever any 1.65v DDR3 1333 kits. At least not name brand ones. You would see a small performance gain going to DDR3 1600 or 1866 with an Ivy Bidge chip.

And no RAM frequency is not in any way tied to CPU speed with Sandy or Ivy Bridge.
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January 15, 2013 3:41:17 AM

For $3 more get the 1866. Anandtech did a good article a couple of months ago about DDR3 and what Ivy likes best and found DDR3 1866 to be the sweet spot.
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January 15, 2013 4:22:01 AM

alright then i will get that... is it good ram?
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January 15, 2013 5:29:15 AM

Yep. The only GSkill to avoid with an Ivy Bridge CPU is the Ares series. They are lower quality modules that require a high system agent voltage ( VCCSA ) and too high a system agent voltage is one sure fire way to kill an Ivy Bridge CPU. They are fine to use with AMD systems though. The Integrated Memory Controller ( IMC ) is not as sensitive on an AMD CPU as on Sandy and Ivy Bridge.
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January 15, 2013 3:30:04 PM

so it looks like that memory is just factory overclocked what do you think?
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January 16, 2013 12:18:12 AM

ugh so i got my cpu up to 4.4 with 1.21 volts and during a y-cruncher test i got a memory Allocation failure what does this mean?
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January 16, 2013 12:34:36 AM

What RAM do you have now? Have you run memtest on it?
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January 16, 2013 12:50:44 AM

same ram it will be a little bit till i get the new ram... well this only happened once and no i have not... i guess i will

note: my voltage is 1.5375 do i need to lower it?
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on ram :p 
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January 16, 2013 12:56:22 AM

also i just realized my fan on my hyper 212+ is about an inch off the heatsink(uptop) should i align it so that is is covering it completely will this make any difference in temps? also why does the 3570k get to 70 at 3.4 when the 8120 got to 60 at 4.7?
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January 16, 2013 2:03:26 AM

ok i got my cpu up to 4.4(i really want to go higher but i keep getting blue screens)

power- 1.216v
core- 4400mhz
bus- 100.01mhz(should i overclock this?)

max temp after hour- 76c(on one core waves around 73)
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January 16, 2013 2:20:28 AM

You should be happy with 4.2-4.4Ghz with an Ivy Bridge CPU. That is pretty good especially with a lower end cooler like the Hyper 212.

Voltages and temps look OK and leave the bus speed at 100. RAM voltage is still in spec +/- .07v so up to 1.57v is still fine. In fact with RAM the VCCSA/VCCIO is more important than the actual RAM voltage. Plenty of people run 1.65v RAM with Sandy and Ivy chips and have no problems as long as they are high quality DIMMs that use low VCCSA/VCCIO. 1.65v does techically void the CPUs warranty though.
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January 16, 2013 3:44:09 AM

what is a dimm :p  does taht come with the motherboard if so i have a z77-extreme6 does that have it?

update:
I ran memtest and it passed with flying colors... whats weird is that memory failure thing only happened once

should i run a stress test all night?
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January 16, 2013 4:04:52 AM

DIMM's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIMM
any chance when that memory faliure happened, there was some other memory intensive app or a bckground service going on? Stress testing for longer period would make sense and you can upload the dump file of crashes so someone can take a look and maybe see what caused them.

good luck
-satyam
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January 16, 2013 6:07:09 PM

ok yeah i will... i will run the y-cruncher for longer... also no it was just that im not sure... also should i update my bios?
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