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August 28, 2012 7:38:41 PM

Hello everyone..

A LITTLE ABOUT ME
Organically speaking, I am adequately matured, otherwise relentlessly foolish 'young' musician. I use the word 'young' with precaution hence the low level of testosterone and highly level of wisdom crumbs accumulated over the course of years along with handsome amount of experience and necessaries to make music. However due to predicaments of life, sadly I pretty much failed to accommodate my inner demands and became a film maker for shorts and a screenwriter for TV instead, and got severed myself from music...

Many years later as my bowels became more conformist and I became very aware of my culpability, I realized that I have to correct at least one of these situations. So I decided that I can fart as much as I want given that I can start to make music again... Okay now that you have a bit insight about me I should come terms with my suffocating future...

This is going to be my first serious attempt to put a system together...
Although I wanted to make one for over ten years, I kept putting off my desire based on the worries of the upcoming Intel upgrades that were always in the horizon... Yes! The technology was never good enough for me! :)  Yes! It is a sickness but I am in control of the sickness now... :na: 

Finally when I was ready, I realized that I was a bit outdated with my system knowledge... And when I say a bit, I mean enormously... Thus I began researching and researching finally to realize just the basics, the elementary.
That's why I am here today hopping that your expertise and wisdom would save me from lots of afterwards pain...

MY GOAL
I would like to build a Workstation Rig that is mute! "0" DB is going to be my main objective...
(Please don't laugh! And if you have to do it, do it with compassion... )
The work load of the Rig will be VIDEO/AUDIO production with as many virtual and physical OSs as machinely possible... Not to mention I would like to have at least three monitors...

My MOBO/CPU COMBO
ASUS P9X79 WS / INTEL i7-3960X

RAM
For RAM I will have Corsair 64GB (8x8GB) 1600MHz

CASE
For the Case I like to get the COOLER MASTER COSMOS II PURE BLACK ALUMINYUM FULL TOWER
Lian Li PC-A77 was an option and I really wanted the MAGNUM TH10 ( Who wouldn't?) But can't get those ones where I live.. I need a case that would accommodate TWO PSUs and still be very roomy fo WC & HDDs.

PSU
At first I was planning to get a Koolance 1000W Liq[/u]uid-Cooled Power Supply...
But 1000W wasn't going to do it and unfortunately or fortunately 1200W &1600W models are discontinued so are1300W &1700W models. Not very assuring..

So I decided to get two PSUs...
If the Liquid-Cooled Fanless Power Supply is not a mistake of choice then I can get one Koolance 1000W and one Koolance 500W and call it a day...

The other attractive solution is a TWIN Corsair AX1200i Digital ATX Power Supply...

I also heard that Seasonic SSP-650RT Active PFC is pretty quiet as well.

The reason behind for two PSUs is the fanless operational capability of the Corsair unless a certain workload is reached. So two of them sharing the load, will reduce the PSU's need to ventilate... Obviously I will have to do some alterations to the case to accommodate the twin PSUs...

GPU
This is another taffy. After lots of reading and comparing I came up with few ideas which belong to other people... Pathetic really... The only sure thing I know is my multi-monitoring ambition... Now I know that I will not go with SLI setup because I don't need to...

QUADRO 4000 is the Video Guys' DIY 2012 top choice...

Of course the best combination would be to have best of both of the worlds.
So maybe as a second GPU one of these ...

GForce GTX 580 3GB
GForce GTX 590
GForce GTX 670
GForce GTX 680

EVGA GeForce GTX 670 4GB Superclocked+ w/Backplate ???

I am not going to pretend like I know much about GPUs except that I know I will not use SLI and I need a QUADRO card for serious HD video editing...

I'm obviously not going much for a gaming rig here... Having said that I was a game designer back in the days... Does anybody remember a game called Magic Candle? Don't feel bad if you don't! Well let me put it this way, my Rig was consist of x486 Intel processor! Can you say "Aga, Gugu" ?! Dos and 3,5 inch floppy disks were a must! I remember how amazed I was with the velocity that the 'DIR' command being executed!!!

Having subjected you to all to this nostalgic crap, I would like to address a little fantasy of mine. And that is to have a decent GPU muscle that can chew and handle some serious game tasting if I really wanted to. That’s the idea behind the best of both of the worlds...

WATER COOLING
My obsession with Water cooling is not because of OC possibilities but because of less audibility and obviously better cooling capability it possesses...

For the water cooling scenarios, I realized that the most important issue for me, would be a long lasting WC system that would not need maintenance too often... And the second achievement should be the simplicity in doing so. Like carefree liquid filling and easy plug/unplug capabilities with the tubes and quick disconnects couplings.. So that I don't have to drain the system when I make any changes or replacements and upgrades and so forth so on...

Also ideally I would have love to build a WC system that the Pomp and reservoir units is placed outside of the Case. And preferably far enough from the machine so that I don't have to hear any of the fans...

Still, I presume I will have to have some fans in the case no matter what. At least to exhaust the heat that might accumulate in the case. If there is any way not to need any fan, PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW...

FANS
So if it is a must, then I would love to have the most silent fans available to me... I checked many reviews and forums for that but I cannot get a clear view to figure out... So this is an area that I need your experience for sure...

That brings us to open loops versus stuff like Corsair H100 and alike... Now, I believe that I do want a real WC operation in my machine, unless that totally crashes with my little maintenance and longest longevity possible objectives... Having said that I did a lot of reading throughout the forums and various sources... So I have names! I have a few of them alright.. But do I feel I know what I need? Hardly... Here are some candidates for basic water cooling members... I have them purely because other people seem to like them, not because I have any idea... I only did a statistical work...

CPU BLOCKS
Enzotech Sapphire
Heatkiller 3.0 LT

PUMPS
MCP655
Laing DDC 3.25

Swiftech MCR-320 Drive Rev3 Series Heat Exchanger w/ Pump and Reservoir... ???

RADS
Hardware Labs Black Ice GT Xtreme 360mm

And there is also a Radiator/Pump/Reservoir combos like:
Aquacomputer Airplex Modularity System 240 Radiator / Pump / Reservoir Combo - Copper Fins - D5 Pump
Aquacomputer Airplex Modularity System 360 Radiator / Pump / Reservoir Combo - Copper Fins - D5 Pump
Aquacomputer Airplex Modularity System 420 Radiator / Pump / Reservoir Combo - Copper Fins - Eheim Compact 600/12V Pump

So at the moment I have no idea what kind of capacity my rig will require...
BUT
Incidentally I want a loop for everything... For GPU, PSU, RAM!, MOBO... North, south, east, west... Perhaps in the end consequently for my ass too!
Did I conduct a research for them? Yes I did! But this is not very different then searching for a friend by going through The City Phone Directory... Lots of phone numbers but no one to call... :) 
So this is another poor areas of my intellect... I can add that I don't care for beauty aspect of the system. Like if Clamps means more to me I won't care how they look... I don't want it to be ugly as hell but if that's what it takes, so be it...

CHIPSET BLOCKS
HEATKILLER MB Chipset Cooling Kit ASUS-P9X79 Nickel
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/hembchcokita.html

MOTHERBOARD HEATSINKS
Zalman ZM-NBF47

RAM BLOCKS
RAM-33 Water Block (Memory)
http://koolance.com/ram-33-memory-water-block

GeIL EVO Cyclone Memory Cooler

Also I was advised not to put a complex water loop together until a system has been thoroughly tested. Always spend a week or so on air cooling before starting to add water blocks.
So that notion presents more hurtle to me... Fans! Lots of them probably! We will see about that...

Okay... So that's a lot of question to ask not to mention a lot of questions to answer! I apologize for that but desperate times need desperate measurements... And boy am I desperate!...

Obviously there will be some aspiring enthusiasts and hopefully some experienced specialist and if I am lucky even a few wizards and if I am really really really fortunate a Yoda will come to rescue me from agony of making the wrong decisions and thus eliminate serious afterwards crying...

Thank you for even reading through... Seriously if you made this far, yet there is hope for me :) )

I appreciate your efforts to help and thank you for your willingness to put up with my idiocrasy before hand...
Cheers...
August 28, 2012 7:58:48 PM

Your best bet is going to be to make a soundproof case. This can be done fairly easy if you know how to do it, and are using a true liquid cooling setup.
August 29, 2012 10:27:24 AM

DarkOutlaw said:
Your best bet is going to be to make a soundproof case. This can be done fairly easy if you know how to do it, and are using a true liquid cooling setup.

Thank you for your replay. I would appreciate if you could elaborate a little bit more though...

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August 29, 2012 5:08:54 PM

1: why would you want dual power supplies? you cant even run 2 cpus at once since x79 doesnt support that.
2: if it is a workstation, get a quadro 6000 but they are loud under load

if you are looking for a watercooled system, go look at the watercooling section of the forum and people will help you out

if you need to contact someone, id go to youtube or facebook and search up singularity computers and give him a message (private message or just comment on his videos).
August 30, 2012 12:18:32 PM

Thank you for your replay.. The reason behind for two PSUs is to allow Very low fan spin operation. Shared workload would allow me to boost the machine. Two of them sharing the load, will reduce the PSU's need to ventilate... Yes there is a way to use 2x PSUs in X70...

Thank you for the tip about singularity computers and posting at WC section..
August 30, 2012 12:29:02 PM

For the watercooling you can have it a bit more simple by having the rad, pump, and res in one like a Koolance Exos 2, it has been serving me well and I like Koolance in general for their stuff. Also I agree with the Quadro 6000 over the 4000, and I do like AMD FirePro but that is because the 1 workstation I have I need Eyefinity not really CUDA so if you are using a lot of Adobe software or any of the other software that supports Nvidia hardware acceleration CUDA is the way to go but if you do not really need it and would prefer larger monitor size via Eyefinity or have a program with APP (AMD Parallel Processing) or OpenCL then go with AMD.
August 30, 2012 12:42:42 PM

cemster said:
Hello everyone..


I appreciate your efforts to help and thank you for your willingness to put up with my idiocrasy before hand...
Cheers...


i really liked your story...it seems like an interesting case so i am interested :sol:  (fell lucky)

i am definitely gonna help you with this but there are a few things i will like you to know/answer first:

*Forget about getting a PC that will last you 10 Years.... not even the best hardware in the world (right now) will be "good-enough" in five years.

*An i7 3960x IS NOT worth the money, it will give a 1-2% improvement over the 3930k for 500$ MORE!... the 3930k is a much better CPU BUT.... given the kind of tasks you will be doing you might want to consider a Xeon CPU (if your budget allows it)

*a GTX 6xx GPU IS NOT GOOD for editing/rendering... a 7970 has FOUR TIMES the GPGPU power of a GTX 680 for almost 100$ less but if the apps you will use support CUDA a quaddro card might be your best bet.

*Watercooling doesn't mean quietness... depending on what you want to cool it might be a little loud (but regular air cooling will be 10 times louder) so MUST buy rubber silencers and some sound absorbing foam to sound-proof your case

*RAMs produce NO sound so there is absolutely no need to watercool them.

*Do you care about aesthetics?

*whats your budget?

*if sound is your concern but not cooling performance you might want to consider a OIL COOLED PC.... an oil cooled PC is basically a PC placed (most of the time) inside of an aquarium and filled with oil (oil is not conductive so there is no need to isolate anything) this is mostly used so reduce the sound of PCs by a LOT, watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok

*1000W of power is extremely overkill for a system that will easily work on a 500w PC
August 30, 2012 12:53:22 PM

Yeah RAM heatsinks IMO only waste time on the loop and are for extreme RAM OC, so if you are not overclocking the RAM to very high speeds you do not need it.
August 30, 2012 12:56:31 PM

rishiswaz said:
Yeah RAM heatsinks IMO only waste time on the loop and are for extreme RAM OC, so if you are not overclocking the RAM to very high speeds you do not need it.


Heat is not a crucial factor when overclocking RAM...
August 30, 2012 1:01:48 PM

idroid said:
Heat is not a crucial factor when overclocking RAM...


Well when you overclock your RAM to 3000+ like on the new ASRock Z77 board I would imagine that it produces quite a bit of heat
August 30, 2012 1:07:18 PM

yeah but there is like zero performance gain with 3000+ mhz ram

as for the psu, most psu s have very quiet fans so i dont see the point of having 2. you are just reducing efficency if you dont make the 2 units work at 50%
August 30, 2012 1:13:13 PM

rishiswaz said:
Well when you overclock your RAM to 3000+ like on the new ASRock Z77 board I would imagine that it produces quite a bit of heat


IF you can overclock it.... most RAM dimms are HIGHLY unstable past 2200MHz and only the HIGHEST quality ones can reach 2400mhz+ and lets be honest.... anything beyond 1600mhz will have VERY little effect in the overall performance of the PC
August 30, 2012 2:27:31 PM

well I mean practically you are never going to have your CPU at 6+ GHz but people pull out the LN2 and the liquid helium to show that they can and they will try.
August 30, 2012 3:03:49 PM

yes and this guy has LN2 (we have some at our high skool lab though)
August 30, 2012 6:21:22 PM

Quote:
*An i7 3960x IS NOT worth the money, it will give a 1-2% improvement over the 3930k for 500$ MORE!... the 3930k is a much better CPU BUT.... given the kind of tasks you will be doing you might want to consider a Xeon CPU (if your budget allows it)


Especially when you take into account that with some creative overclocking you can have the 3930K match or beat the 3960X's advertised speeds. Not worth it if you ask me.

Quote:
QUADRO 4000 is the Video Guys' DIY 2012 top choice...


Keep in mind that the Quaddro 4000 is only for professional editing and rendering apps. If you plan to play any sort of games then that won't be an option. Also keep in mind that NVIDIA is planning to update the Quaddro based around the Keppler platform in the next couple of months.

Quote:
Well when you overclock your RAM to 3000+ like on the new ASRock Z77 board I would imagine that it produces quite a bit of heat


Yeah that can seriously be quite dangerous when you reach those speeds. The memory multiplier is only meant to handle so much and can't take over a certain limit or risk frying your whole build.

Quote:
*if sound is your concern but not cooling performance you might want to consider a OIL COOLED PC.... an oil cooled PC is basically a PC placed (most of the time) inside of an aquarium and filled with oil (oil is not conductive so there is no need to isolate anything) this is mostly used so reduce the sound of PCs by a LOT, watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok


Interesting - I've never heard of oil cooled PCs before - I shall have to investigate this.

Quote:
That brings us to open loops versus stuff like Corsair H100 and alike... Now, I believe that I do want a real WC operation in my machine, unless that totally crashes with my little maintenance and longest longevity possible objectives... Having said that I did a lot of reading throughout the forums and various sources... So I have names! I have a few of them alright.. But do I feel I know what I need? Hardly... Here are some candidates for basic water cooling members... I have them purely because other people seem to like them, not because I have any idea... I only did a statistical work...


If you want a real water cooling operation then the H100 isn't going to cut it. To use the comparison from Breaking Bad last week - using an H100 vs. a real liquid loop is like grade school t-ball vs. the New York Yankees. :lol: 
August 30, 2012 7:08:24 PM

These UK forums need to go, they are buggy :p  brb
August 30, 2012 7:54:08 PM

Well, glad I came by. I can help with most of this.

First up, when designing a water cooling system there is an element of experience that cannot be supplemented with knowledge. I read your list and immediately wondered, "How is that going to work?" I suggest you head over to the build logs section here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=...
and look for similar builds. You can dream about any parts you like, but when it all goes together you will always encounter obstacles.... I recommend building the PC first then adding the water cooling. Take it in steps, because doing it all at once will be overwhelming unless you have a lot of practice.

There is no such thing as 0 Decibels of course. Even in the absence of all fans you would still have small buzzes or whines, just not audible at a normal distance.

Your strategy for water cooling and low noise is sound. This is NOT done primarily through careful fan selection.... it is done with low RPM fans, and lots of them. The more radiator space you have the quieter the system is, but that also means more fans.
I'm guessing you already have this link:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/

You are right of course, the Case Labs cases are best suited for this. I use one myself.

Because you need a lot of rad space, consider an external enclosure. They can be built. You could also route the tubes through a wall into another room, if you really want quiet. Use quick disconnects.

Now onto the power. This idea of massive overkill on the power needs to go. Let me list some of my parts:

2600K sometimes overclocked
5870 (Uses more power than most new cards) sometimes overclocked
HDD
SDD
14 fans
1 pump
Seasonic X650

The only time my PSU fan ever spins is a half turn as the power comes on, just to let me know it can. The total power draw of my system from the wall right now is 82W. While gaming it's in the high 200's and under full synthetic stress tests it's in the mid 300s. Actual power draws on the PSU are less, due to efficiency.
(I use a Kill-a-watt meter)

I can't say what the best CPU for you is, unless I know what programs you will use. You should know that the way the software is designed dictates how many cores will be used and how many will be optimum. Unless your programs are heavily mullti-threaded your best bet will be Ivy Bridge.

You also need to be very certain about the Quadro. As far as I know, you only need a workstation card for CAD and 3D work. Make sure you are getting good advise there and not just some clueless engineers throwing money around with no benefits. Demand hard evidence that your work will actually benefit. Did I miss some reference? Is there a link with benchmarks?

You may not benefit from the workstation card in editing, but it will certainly hurt any gaming plans. I cannot think of a single thread I have dealt with in recent years, where the person wanted to edit 2D and game, that the solution was not a gaming card.

I do agree with the res/pump combo. Be very careful with this though. The wrong one can cause much grief. Oil cooling is a nice experiment and not practical for anything. It's the kind of thing your company puts in the lobby as a novelty.






August 30, 2012 10:07:27 PM

Koolance has good stuff which is why I can safely recommend the Exos 2 after personal experience and overall brand quality.
August 30, 2012 10:26:33 PM

True, I was considering Koolance myself, when I needed one.

I just saw the bit about RAM. The memory controller of the newer Intel CPUs is VERY susceptible to damage from overclocked RAM. This is not like the old days when the memory controller was separate in the northbridge.

If you end up using memory clocked higher than 1600Mhz with Ivy Bridge, make very sure you have Intel tweaking insurance.
http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/
August 30, 2012 11:43:59 PM

i am using 1866mhz 1.5v ram. should be rather safe
August 30, 2012 11:56:17 PM

It's not about the RAM voltage, it's about that voltage to the RAM controller. A separate issue.
This is why Intel is very clear about allowed frequencies and timings with their new CPUs, and why tech support will ask specifically when you call for a CPU RMA.
August 31, 2012 12:03:37 AM

ok then. running at 1600mhz cl8.

another thing that beats me is that why does intel certify the patriot extreme master 2133mhz ram?
August 31, 2012 12:17:07 AM

Here is the marketing
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/gaming-co...

And here is the fine print at the bottom:

Quote:
1. Warning: Altering clock frequency and/or voltage may: (i) reduce system stability and useful life of the system, processor, and other system components; (ii) cause the processor and other system components to fail; (iii) cause reductions in system performance; (iv) cause additional heat or other damage; and (v) affect system data integrity. Intel has not tested, and does not warranty, the operation of the processor beyond its specifications. Intel has not tested, and does not warranty, the operation of other system components beyond their industry standard specifications. Intel assumes no responsibility that the processor and other system components, including if used with altered clock frequencies and/or voltages, will be fit for any particular purpose.


If you go to the actual Intel support site you can find PDF docs that specifically state what the actual limits are for different processor families. SB is 1333Mhz, IB is 1600Mhz. I think both are CL9. I honestly don't know about LGA 2011 CPUs, but I think it's the same.

Here:
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/docum...
Actually much clearer and more informative than it used to be. Memory stuff starts on page 21.
August 31, 2012 4:37:05 AM

I think 2011 is 1600 but might be 1866 probably not though
August 31, 2012 8:33:06 PM

Thank you all for stopping by I appreciate your ideas very much...

@Rishiswaz
Koolance EX2-755 (Exos-2 V2) Liquid Cooling System, Aluminum

Koolance EX2-1055 (Exos-2.5) Liquid Cooling System, Aluminum

So there are these two options which do you think is better for me?

Adobe it is... So I do need CUDA... A problem with Quadro that it only supports two displays.. I'd like to have at least three... And that's why I am wondering if can I have Quadro 4000 working along with a FirePro V7900. Since FirePro supports up to four displays, and it would be just great for games as well... But it is highly unlikely that they would sit together without any dispute... So GPU needs further figuring out!

As far as Quadro 6000 goes, of course it is an incredible piece of electronic with 6GB 384bit specs and $3,998.00 price! My budget, is around $5.000... So there you go...

@idroid
Thank you for taking interest..
*Forget about getting a PC that will last you 10 Years....
Well I guess you misunderstood me... The ten years was representing how long I was planning to build a powerful PC. Because I was never satisfied with the present technology and I was constantly wrapped up in Intel's upcoming upgrades, future developments I kept putting it off... Until now! :heink: 

I use CS6 so I need CUDA.. But its two display limits pushes me to use a secondary card... A FirePro V7900 would have been great but I have no knowledge if they would work together in piece... FirePor has four display capability and would play games as well ;)  There are options like to leave Quadro unconnected to external displays and is only used for processing, while another GPU can handle displays. So one card for CUDA and one for GUI... This needs further figuring out! I will also be using Blackmagicdesign DeckLink 4K and DeckLink HD Extreme 3D...

In the beginning I had INTEL E5-2687W & Asus Z9PE-D8 WS in my mind. But those are priced out of this world around here and if I get them from US and anything goes wrong with them I will have a serious problem since I cannot use mail (custom taxes) and I don't have luxury to go back and forth more than once a year really... Also I cut back my budget So that's why I settled for i7... But now I'm considering maybe to get a single E5-2687W... Not entirely sure though...

*Water cooling doesn't mean quietness...
So I hear.. :)  I am looking into Koolance Exos-2 V2 or Exos-2,5 as Rishiswaz kindly suggested...
My idea to place them out side of the room so loose the noise in the process...

I MUST buy rubber silencers and some sound absorbing foam to sound-proof your case... Like you mentioned...
I have not checked my options on that yet but I will... I will need further suggestions on that...

The oil PC is some crazy sh*t, looks weird and scary... But very intriguing... But I doubt that is for me though...
And probably it is not so good for HDDs... But that's not really something I wanna be worrying about...

I gave up on RAM & MOBO cooling...

I do not care about the aesthetics. I am not praying for ugly but I care about efficiency, practicality and functionality first.. Then if I have choices of white or purple I'd go for purple... :sol: 

I have about $5Gs for this project...

@g-unit1111
The Quadro K5000 (with Kepler) is a great card no doubt. Allowing 4 display controllers, PCI-Express 3.0 support, and much faster processing with many improvements for $2249... Yet it is going to be available in October which sadly a date I cannot wait for...

The New York Yankees it is then... :D 

@Proximon
Thank you for stopping by, I appreciate it...

I have of course checked lots of threads in Xtremesystem.org that's how I mostly educated myself. But they are to advanced for me to even grasp the ideas... But I've learned some pointers... Basics and some terminology.. Just enough to put together my questions...

About the “0DB”, Well obviously that is a myth... :pt1cable:  However, in my old studio I had the opportunity to open a hole on the wall and put the PC in the closet room and seal the hole after sticking all the cables through... That was like reaching Nirvana... It was a bliss, a joy... NO NOISE! from the case what so ever ... But now I've moved to home and I don't have such a room to expel the case... So with 0DB I wanted to project how strong my desire was... I do have a balcony next to my office room and I wouldn't mind to put the noisy WC components out there though... I can make a box for it, for rainy days and stuff…

There is also an alternative suggestion from overclock.net. Using a passive radiator cooling... I have to learn about that yet...

I've missed the silentpcreview.com so I have to check that out. Thank you for that... I have been checking the endpcnoise.com but I believe it's weaker than silentpcreview at first glance... So after I finish posting this I'll be heading there...

“Because you need a lot of rad space, consider an external enclosure. They can be built.”
Hallelujah for that.. :)  And I gladly admit I need sound suggestions on the topic...

I am sure I need more than 650W... I need to power up at least two GPUs... Quadro 4000 can only support two monitors, I'd like to have at least three... So I will figure out if there is any way to have a FirePro V7900 along with a Quadro. That would be so great. Since FirePro supports up to four displays but I have my doubts...
Not to mention, I will be using two more cards from Blackmagicdesign. DeckLink 4K and DeckLink HD Extreme 3D...

I was thinking to get Corsair AX1200i Digital ATX Power Supply. I know it is over kill but unless a certain workload is reached like %40, fans won’t spin at all on Corsair... That was my genius plan :kaola: 
I gave up on Koolence 1000Watt WC PSU... Since it is an older PSU technology wise... I did learned that the Seasonic SSP-650RT Active PFC is pretty quiet... I wonder if I could get 750W Seasonic with same specs and if 750W would be enough for me... Also this is the second time I've heard Kill-a-watt meter and I want to add it to my shopping list now...

Quadro is pretty much essential for me because of CUDA. CS5 supports it heavily... It is an industry standard for Adobe stuff... And I am also considering a single E5-2687W as oppose to i7. Originally I wanted to have double Xeon but then I cut the budget in half...

"You may not benefit from the workstation card in editing!"
You don't like my MOBO?

I have to figure out the res/pump combo since I know Jack sh*t about it... "Exos 2" seems a good advice though...

I don't think I am much keen on Ivy bridge tell you the truth.. Even considering that would put me out of track for months..

As far as pushing the ram over 1600MHz is pointless to me... For X79 platform 1600Mhz is unmistakably THE sweet spot.. As long as you don't OC your CPU I guess...

For a month I stumbled all around the forums in agony... And just I thought I started to figure things out, I feel like am in hell again... :cry:  I hope I can build this *&^*^ before the world ends on me... You know!

Again, thank you putting up with me and with my miles long posts.. I can’t even begin to express my gratitude… Thank you all…
August 31, 2012 10:47:21 PM

Buddy, lets focus on the MAIN components of the build.... watercooling is a bit expensive and it might not be worth it to get it now...

do you think you could build a small box that covers your case (except the back part!!)
and put some sound absorbing foam in the wall of that lil box?

i have a 5k rig in my mind but it doesn't include water-cooling (but its powerful as hell) just say it and i will list it.
August 31, 2012 11:42:47 PM

cemster said:


I hope I can build this *&^*^ before the world ends on me... You know!



That would be the line you don't want to cross regarding profanity. Edited by me.


I was talking about your graphics card choice. Have you said what programs you are using?

- You can mix Nvidia graphics cards... but I cannot guarantee the results. I'm certain you cannot successfully use both Quadro and FirePro in the same system.
- Most video editing can be done with a $20 GPU, with no benefit from a $3000 card.... except when it comes to offloading the computations to the GPU. This has nothing to do with what is rendered on the screen, but rather the same work that your CPU would have been doing.
- CUDA can be done by a modern gaming card just as easily. Look at this table
http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-gpus

On the power. IF you could put those two cards in the same system, and you cannot, the total power draw on the PSU would be under 500W.
http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264

Don't worry, we can spend the 5K easily... but not on a GPU you have no need for, please. If you just want CUDA cores consider that a GTX 680 has 1536 while a Qadro 6000 has 448.

If you look at these benchmarks from CS 5 you will find some interesting results.
http://ppbm5.com/DB-PPBM5-2.php

See that? All the top ranked systems have GTX cards. Number 10 has a GTX 460.

Vegas pro?
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/gpuacceler...
See how the $200 card is just as good as the $1750 card? Or the $1150 card?

You might want to read through this thread also:
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/947921
September 1, 2012 12:09:36 AM

Proximon said:
That would be the line you don't want to cross regarding profanity. Edited by me.


I was talking about your graphics card choice. Have you said what programs you are using?

- You can mix Nvidia graphics cards... but I cannot guarantee the results. I'm certain you cannot successfully use both Quadro and FirePro in the same system.
- Most video editing can be done with a $20 GPU, with no benefit from a $3000 card.... except when it comes to offloading the computations to the GPU. This has nothing to do with what is rendered on the screen, but rather the same work that your CPU would have been doing.
- CUDA can be done by a modern gaming card just as easily. Look at this table
http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-gpus

On the power. IF you could put those two cards in the same system, and you cannot, the total power draw on the PSU would be under 500W.
http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264

Don't worry, we can spend the 5K easily... but not on a GPU you have no need for, please. If you just want CUDA cores consider that a GTX 680 has 1536 while a Qadro 6000 has 448.

If you look at these benchmarks from CS 5 you will find some interesting results.
http://ppbm5.com/DB-PPBM5-2.php

See that? All the top ranked systems have GTX cards. Number 10 has a GTX 460.

Vegas pro?
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/gpuacceler...
See how the $200 card is just as good as the $1750 card? Or the $1150 card?

You might want to read through this thread also:
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/947921


*i thought that the GTX6xx cuda cores were... crippled, i tought that they were no good for GPGPU applications :/ 

*could you list a task(s) that could fully take advantage of a Quadro 6000?
September 1, 2012 12:36:18 AM

Maya, Solidworks, any program where you are manipulating large 3D images with professional software.

They may be crippled somehow, but they seem to be pretty effective in some things at least.
http://ppbm5.com/MPE%20Charts.php

If we knew what actual programs were being used we could have a much clearer picture of the build. This is true for all workstation builds, it's the very first thing you have to know.
September 3, 2012 12:27:22 PM

I am sorry I am a little late to respond..

I'm also sorry about *&^*^... I figured I was okay as long as I obscured it.. Some words has no substitution, you know... Personally I feel that words become profound when you aim them at others. But your house your rules. I apologize for breaking them unintentionally..

I am mainly using Premiere Pro CS6 and After Effects CS6. But I also have plans to use my Final Cut Pro X with my new Hackintosh :whistle:  instead of Mac Book Pro… I have no use for Vegas Pro as yet…

My main source about CUDA & Quadro was this page...

But since you were pertinacious about thumbs down on Quadro, I was compelled to do some further research to prove you wrong! :o  Well, it didn’t quite worked that way… My fanatic attitude about Quadro has yield to reason!
Although it may not be as tamed as one wishes, considering I am more prone to 690! :na: 
I read some GPU tests done by legit third party sources. Unfortunately I can’t relocate some of the specifics right now about which benchmark tests were involved but strangely enough in some of the specs GTX 580 was superior to GTX 690 and even further amazement was presented itself that also GTX 295 was superior to GTX 580 in some respects…

Never the less I have a feeling that GTX 690 seems like the best bet for me as far as bandwidth, heat and some more functions. Unfortunately CS6 doesn’t initializes the use of the second GPU in the card but that may change in future. (Not like SLI but as a second pair processor..) SLI does not work with Premier pro…

So never the less, I am unsure of what I am looking at…
An inexistent GTX 685 seems would be the best choice within GPX realm.. :pt1cable: 

So for me the actual question is which of evga, asus, nvidia cards, rather than which GTX series…
I certainly get all the displays I want with 690 & 680… Despite the need of a Displayport in some cases...

I should also mention the Gainward GeForce GTX 680 Phantom 4GB.. Might be too adventures though..
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=868&lang=en

And even though it has a good cooling system. I still want WC. I found two suitable products..
Koolance GeForce GTX 690 Water Block VID-NX690
&
XSPC Razor GTX690 VGA Water Block - XS-GTX690

Also I can't help but wonder if I can use double Swiftek MCW82 Universal GPU waterblocks? But perhaps I should check that in the WC section of the forum...

The link you posted has also a new system planning section
http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
And strangely enough his set up echoes mine quite a bit… He as well, was/is considering two PSUs but mainly because he wants an army of HDDs. Which makes lots of sense to me as well. Considering I to have about 20 (internal) HDDs… But I doubt that I want that much HDDs in my case…

But what strikes me the most is that on ABOUT MEMORY section he states:

“At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”

The ‘1600+’ phrase was perplexing enough... Yet even for further confusion he considers "1.35V" as a low voltage, knowing that 2011 platform specifies 1,5V as the appropriate voltage...

So here I am once again in the mercy of Gods who are testing my faith against my need to express myself in profound ways :) 

As always thank you all...
September 3, 2012 12:45:26 PM

putting a block on a 690 completely destroys its looks.

if you are to do work, get a quadro. 690s suck at work
September 3, 2012 4:42:06 PM

Quote:
get a quadro. 690s suck at work!


common now! :(  :??:  :cry:  :pfff: 

are we back at square 1? Besides I need more than two monitors... so... :bounce:  (that's my wretched brain you see here)
September 3, 2012 4:50:11 PM

cemster said:
Quote:
get a quadro. 690s suck at work!


common now! :(  :??:  :cry:  :pfff: 

are we back at square 1? Besides I need more than two monitors... so... :bounce:  (that's my wretched brain you see here)


GTX6xx series cards SUCK for professional work, get something like a Quadro K5000 or if you have 15k to burn wait for the Quadro Plex 7000 :o 
September 3, 2012 7:37:40 PM

Folks, there have been a lot of links in this thread, and a lot of factual data provided. Comments like "sucks" at this point don't really add anything. Every workstation build I have ever done requires actual research.

Cemster, as you mention a GTX 580 is better often than the GTX 690. I would not be surprised at this because it is not a single GPU. It's very similar to having two GTX 670s or GTX 680s in SLI... and SLI adds nothing to your work. In fact, it is usually not recommended.

So, if SLI adds nothing to your work, do you still want it? If the GTX 580 is better, then how about having two? Use one for work and both in SLI for gaming?

September 4, 2012 2:04:18 AM

Proximon said:
Cemster, as you mention a GTX 580 is better often than the GTX 690. I would not be surprised at this because it is not a single GPU. It's very similar to having two GTX 670s or GTX 680s in SLI... and SLI adds nothing to your work. In fact, it is usually not recommended.So, if SLI adds nothing to your work, do you still want it? If the GTX 580 is better, then how about having two? Use one for work and both in SLI for gaming?
Yes that was what I meant when I stated that "SLI does not work with Premier pro…"
I'm not sure if it is safe to say that "GTX 580 is better often than the GTX 690" regarding what I have read... It only stated that only in some aspects that was the case.. In many other aspects it was the opposite... The study I read also mentioned GTX 295 being better than GTX 580, also only in some aspects... So should I get three GTX 295s with that line of thinking?
Also I realized that there is a misunderstanding here... The study I read wasn't done about Premiere Pro CS6 or After Effects CS6. They only bench marked with various techniques... So GTX 690 being beaten by few aspects has got nothing to do with its being a coupled GPU... I also have to mention that there were lots of other studies that definitely praised for 690 over 580 & 680...

Video Guys Recommends Quadro 4000 for DIY9 Hot Rod & GTX570 for a lower rig..
On the other hand PPBM6 Planning a new system
and I am going to just quote him on the GPU Usage...

Quote:
We all know that hardware MPE makes all the difference and it can only be used with certain nVidia cards. Rendering, scaling on export, blending and blurring can lead to impressive performance gains over software MPE. The number of CUDA cores is decisive in that aspect. I will wait for further news about the Kepler range, but from the leaked specs, the 680 sure looks nice and the 690 even better, albeit at a price. Is it worth it, dunno. I have to decide that later. Anyway it makes no sense in getting a 5xx card. In that case it is much cheaper to port the 480 I have to the new system. There is no need for a second Kepler card to steer a third monitor, because that capability is one of the strong points of the new Kepler range. Note that official support of Kepler video cards may be quite some time in the future, but I base my choice on the use of the 'hack', as I've done with my current 480.

Furthermore, the fact that After Effects can use multiple GPUs for CUDA computation (for the ray-traced 3D renderer) makes using some GPU setups sensible that may have been a waste for Premiere Pro.

Initial idea for the video card: Gainward GTX 680 Phantom 4 GB or a GTX 680/690 with 4 GB VRAM.

Another one is adkvideoediting.com In the Display section of the Core I7 configuration page, they have GeForce GTX 680 4GB as an standard option... The pugetsystems also has GTX 680 in their configurations...

I have searched but could not find a comparison table for brands... As far as GTX 680 or GTX 690 goes..
As far as I can tell there are five manufacturers. 1) Nvidia 2) Gainward 3) ASUS 4) EVGA 5) Palitbut
I can not tel which is the better choice...
Quote:

The link you posted has also a new system planning section
http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
And strangely enough his set up echoes mine quite a bit… But what strikes me the most is that on ABOUT MEMORY section he states:
Quote:
“At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).

The ‘1600+’ phrase was perplexing enough... Yet even for further confusion he considers "1.35V" as a low voltage, knowing that 2011 platform specifies 1,5V as the appropriate voltage...

I was kind of curious what you had to say about this...

@idroid
You're not suggesting to me the Quadro Plex 7000! With it's £10.000 sticker you wouldn't be suggesting that... Right?! :non:  Cause my budget is $5.000...

So let me thank you again for all the help you are giving me...
September 4, 2012 4:19:27 AM

cemster said:

@idroid
You're not suggesting to me the Quadro Plex 7000! With it's £10.000 sticker you wouldn't be suggesting that... Right?! :non:  Cause my budget is $5.000...


Hell yeah i did :lol:  that card is supposed to be the best professional card of the world

Anyways..... could you list the components you have right now?? i thought you said you had a Xeon :??: 
September 4, 2012 6:11:37 AM

The thing with a GTX 690 is that if your performance is hurt, you can't turn one GPU off.

With GTX 680 you are just dealing with one GPU per card. If you choose to get two cards in SLI, you can disable one card if it's called for... I'm sure you have seen the tests where SLI HURTS some things.

You have avoided saying where you are living. I would vote for EVGA as an American company with good support.

If you are going ahead with the water cooling, then you want to make sure any card you buy has a matching block.

And before I forget again:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12174/cas-416/Danger_...
An external rad box if you don't want to make one... Boxes are surprisingly hard to make :p 

September 4, 2012 12:49:20 PM

@Proximon
I'm sorry.. I wasn't aware of that I was avoiding anything. LOL I thought I've mentioned that I live in Istanbul.. Sorry about that...

I believe you can turn it of the SLI position of the card not from MOBO though, from CS6.
So CS6 just recognize the first GPU... That was my understanding... The 690 was not supported even with the hack (soft hack that is) but now it is supported by the hack. The 680 was in the same situation but now you don't even have to hack it to be recognized by CS6. So there will more support for the 690 by Adobe... I would like to avoid a double GPU card situation if I can...

The Danger Den External looks great. Thank you for that. Now I have to figure out if it can be brought here!
If not I guess I can rip the design and get it build it here... I can have it made for around $200.00 if I have to... Given that I know exactly what I want to be build.
Support for EVGA will be limited with online support. For Nvidia's 690 ther are WC blocks but I don't know the rest...

@idroid
I don't have any components yet! And that's a good think since, thanks to Danny_D and some others from hardforum, I am prepossessed once again with the Xeon... This time just a single one but still... That would change the MOBO as well... So it puts me in a recoiled position yet I really want to be over with this already,
and start purchasing stuff. And also I need to catch the deadline for my friend's flight date...

So what can I tell you? :) )
September 4, 2012 1:52:39 PM

Well.... this isn't the typical case where you just prescribe a list of parts and tell the OP to put together and fire them up....

This is gonna requiere that everyone in this thread throw some ideas and design a build little by little, this is what i came up with:

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($549.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($81.84 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P9X79 DELUXE ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($359.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone SST-RV03B-WA ATX Full Tower Case ($180.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 860W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($170.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1932.75

*i advise you to try 32GB first and if you are not happy with it you can always add another 32GB more.

*Watercooling DOES NOT mean quietness.... the air cooler i linked is one of the most efficient and quiet CPU cooler in the world.... but its ugly as hell :lol:  Silverstone Raven cases are known to keep the noise level really low.

*the PSU in that build is extremely overkill because if we take into consideration that you will only be using 1 card then the TDP of your system should never be higher than 520w.... check this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-silent...

*i think i left enough room for a possible K5000 :D 

*check my signature builds.... in the lower section you will find some silencers for your case and rubber mounts for the fans as well as rubber screws.
September 4, 2012 10:00:28 PM

That would be one of the top cities I'd like to visit some day, as I'm a history fan. I'm surprised you have as much selection as you seem to. I know I have had trouble finding online computer stores in Turkey in the past.

Except for a few brand changes, I would have no major differences with idroids list.

Yes, I think you have everything I know about the GPUs now, plus some. The conclusion here is that we don't really know enough and we are going to have to take some chances.

On the water cooling, you just need to understand that the parts list is not everything. You need to have a clear idea where everything is going and how it will look. The dual bay res/pump helps save space and eliminates complications... it even reduces the number of fittings you need.

Here are some parts:
  • COOLER MASTER COSMOS II RC-1200-KKN1 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
  • 2x Western Digital RE4 WD2003FYYS 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    Reliable workstation grade HDDs
  • G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q2-64GBZL
    This is really just what was available at newegg. You'll have better luck with Kingston I think.
  • COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ...
    As I sad earlier, you don't want to start our water cooling. Add that after the build is together and working. Use this cooler as a temporary one, rather than spending a lot for an air cooler you won't use long.
  • SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256D/AM 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Desktop Upgrade Kit
    Known to be very reliable.
  • Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
    Really you would be just as happy with an Ivy bridge LGA 1155 CPU... except for the memory controller. If you were only going to use 32GB ever, the i7 3770K would be a better deal.
  • ASUS P9X79 PRO LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with USB BIOS
    A resonable board that will do everything you need.
  • ASUS Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS
    TOTAL: $2,302.54


    September 6, 2012 3:10:35 AM

    My recommendation on the Exos is the 2.5 even though I have the V2. The 2.5 has 3 fans instead of the 2 on the V2 but is a bit longer but I doubt that size is an issue.
    September 6, 2012 11:54:13 AM

    idroid said:
    I have a 5k rig in my mind but it doesn't include water-cooling (but its powerful as hell) just say it and i will list it.

    From 5k to $1932.75, some discrepancy you got there idroid?! :hello: 
    I need as much memory I can get... Everything I plan to do will have huge appetite for Ram... 64GB wiill be barely enough trust me on that...
    Proximon said:
    That would be one of the top cities I'd like to visit some day.

    Well, you might wanna get a move on that... I hear government started to suggest not to visit Turkey for a while... Also even if it wasn't for all the terror and hot boiling Middle East, you still need to put your skates on,just because the city getting uglier and crowded by the minute... :( 
    I'm surprised you have as much selection as you seem to. I know I have had trouble finding online computer stores in Turkey in the past. said:
    I'm surprised you have as much selection as you seem to. I know I have had trouble finding online computer stores in Turkey in the past.
    Well only the main stream stuff and some more.. But non of the extreme models or brands... You can order them and wait like a couple of months and pay like triple amounts, but you don't! Obviously...
    Here are some parts:
    [* said:
    COOLER MASTER COSMOS II ATX Full Tower
  • G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB This is really just what was available at newegg. You'll have better luck with Kingston I think.]Here are some parts:
  • COOLER MASTER COSMOS II ATX Full Tower
  • G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB This is really just what was available at newegg. You'll have better luck with Kingston I think.


  • I am grateful for your suggestions... I don't wanna sound skeptical or disrespectful what so ever...
    But from all the different compononents I had in my list there was only three items that I was certain... MOBO / RAM / CASE And you guys keen on changing those.. :pt1cable: 
    I'll start with MOBO... Why would you wanna change the WS with Pro or Deluxe.? I have read dozens of previews and compare lists... The WS is better in all respects of being a workstation mobo. Except the Xtras the Deluxe brings on the table which I don't really care for.. The blue tooth or WiFi and what not... So this is my question, why would I want the less expensive counterpart? Keep in mind that my main concern is not the coast. I mean I do want to avoid 10K Kepler/Quadro but I don't want to save 50 there 100 there from mobo or PSU or Ram or the case really...
    Why do you feel the need to change P9X79 WS?
    Why the Corsair is not even considered while Ripjaws and Kinstone are?
    The case is an easy choice due to, one being local availabilty and two, Asus WS's case factor compatibility... The cases you've suggested, including MS II, failed in both accounts...

    I originally was prepared to get a MAC PRO but still today no body knows when Apple will decide to implement the needed upgrade... So I turned to XEON E5-2687W.. Two of them..
    I earned some money, I really have good aspect to make some more and as an investment there is nothing wrong with a 10K rig... said to myself... Except which part of the Globe you happened to live in..
    But I had covered that too; to get them from the state...
    Then in the end, as you know, I decided to build a monster from an i7... I can get this Xeon monstrosity at the second period, when I make some more money and really need a dedicated REAL RIG..

    But as a major shifting in conciseness I really am strongly considering a single E5-2687W, as we speak... It could bring a big chunk of performance improvements . Xeon CPUs can handle more virtualization and applications like Photoshop CS6 and Adobe Premiere And/or After Effects running side by side can both eat up a lot of resources. Especially if you've got VMs on the box. It would coast me extra of $650-700 and I still get to use my beloved X79 WS with it... :whistle: 

    I also mentioned it before I wanted your opinion on this issue since we started it with you posting the link on the page here... S I'll just copy/paste the related bit again..
    Quote:
    The link you posted has also a new system planning section
    http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
    And strangely enough his set up echoes mine quite a bit… From two PSUs to Memory...
    What strikes me the most is that on ABOUT MEMORY section on this planning page he states:
    I QUOTE HERE
    “At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”

    He wants 1600+ Why?
    But then even for further confusion he considers "1.35V" as a low voltage, knowing that 2011 platform specifies 1,5V as the appropriate voltage...


    You see the dilemma here? What is he talking about?!

    PS Hurry up for Istanbul, this is maybe the last best time to be here!... (EDITED) Or maybe not!

    Thank you & cheers everybody..
    September 6, 2012 12:00:47 PM

    1: as for the motherboard, the pro and the deluxe offer the same features but for cheaper. the only thing i see that the WS has that the deluxe does not have is the 4 way SLI capability and some server connectivity options
    2:because gskill and kingston memory are the same as corsair memory. they do the same job and are no different other than the looks
    September 6, 2012 12:38:19 PM

    cemster said:
    From 5k to $1932.75, some discrepancy you got there idroid?! :hello: 
    I need as much memory I can get... Everything I plan to do will have huge appetite for Ram... 64GB wiill be barely enough trust me on that...


    Well...like i said, i had to leave room for the GPU (K5000 or Quadro 6000) + shipping to your country.
    September 6, 2012 9:12:50 PM

    The pro version has more USB 3 ports. I'm trying to focus on things you will actually use here :)  And it costs less.

    If you really want to RAID 10 a bunch of quiet 1TB HDDs for instance, you would want a PCI-E RAID controller anyway.

    And yes, I'm thinking about RAM availability. Corsair or Mushkin are fine too.

    I would be fine with the E5-2687W, if I thought you will use it. You have to consider that you will loose performance in any application that does not use that many threads. If you are thinking that you will loose as much as you gain... you might be wrong.

    Because you can overclock the K series CPU, it will be MUCH faster with lightly threaded apps, using just a mild OC. So, what speed you will lose will be significant.

    I would THINK that the majority of your workload has to use more than the 6 cores for the Xeon to make sense, because of the big drop in performance for the lightly threaded apps. I'm fairly sure you would see worse performance in most games with the Xeon.

    Granted, if you have 16 cores and 32 threads on an actual workstation chipset such as the C602, then the gains in productivity would be great... but then we are talking about a non-gaming build again.
    September 7, 2012 10:16:29 AM

    @Proximon
    You mean I can play?! Hallelujah! Well I haven't played games for years really.. It's just something I fancy... And majority of the games that are produced today are kind of games that I wouldn't really care for... No body doing real adventure games anymore I guess because it doesn't sell as much and it's not easy to come up with good story line.. Well What I am trying to say that as much as it brakes my heart, at the end of the day I would be smiling the way Xeon chups away my time line swiftly... Yes, a single Xeon woldn't be as fast as 3960X or 3930K clock wise but Xeon is way better for VM and of course CS6 would thrive with it... It wouldn't hurt with Cubase either... But I hear what you are saying about 16 cores, 32 threads...

    About Mobo

    Here is the conclusion of the Tom's Hardware's WS review

    "Asus’ P9X79 WS had the best performance, best overclocking, lowest power consumption, and greatest number of expansion slots. Meanwhile its P9X79 Deluxe followed closely behind the WS version, but added a bunch of lifestyle-oriented features like Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and a greater number of USB 3.0 rear-panel ports (even though several ports share bandwidth). The added features are surely worth a little more than the miniscule differences in performance."

    As you know CS6 loves cores, and since majority of my workload will be Premiere Pro and After effects, there is a strong argument
    for the Xeon yet.. Dispute X79...

    You still haven't commented about fallowing statement...
    http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
    Quote:
    “At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”

    By the way thank you for that combo deal on NewEgg.. It's a great idea if I decide to buy them from US... I'll be looking for combos on eBay as well... They have 3690X/WS/64Gb ram for $1.890 for example... I have bought CPU in the past from eBay...
    @idroid
    I admire your determination about Quadro... :lol: 

    @TheBigTroll

    Other WS Exclusive Workstation Features:
    * 6 x PCIe x 16 slot(s)
    * Quick Gate: 1 x vertical USB 2.0 on board
    * ASUS SASsaby series Cards support
    * ASUS WS Diag. LED
    * ASUS WS 3-color LED

    * Dual Intel® Gigabit LAN Lower 71% CPU Utilization
    * Server level capability with RAID cards, Lan cards and Capture cards
    * And If I choose to go with a Xeon it is compatible...

    cheers & :love: 
    September 7, 2012 10:23:53 AM

    You might want to look at the Gigabyte board just reviewed.
    September 7, 2012 11:16:08 AM

    cemster said:

    @idroid
    I admire your determination about Quadro... :lol: 


    You don't want quadro? :( 
    September 7, 2012 3:59:40 PM

    Of course I do.. :bounce:  :hello:  :bounce: 

    But I realized that if I get a 6K GPU I also should have a Double Xeon set up. That's look like the next build I should have... I came here with a horse. Now I can afford to buy a car. I should do some mileage and earn money with the car before I make transition to a truck... I am writing a film, it seems like I will be able to shoot it myself. I'll do some rough editing (no after effects no rendering just time line) with this Rig and finish the job with a post production studio.. Then even if the movie doesn't make lots of money, I can justify to get a serious Rig. I can build a monster even if it coasts 20K... It doesn't make sense to me to build a mediocre workstation so that I can afford a very high class Pro GPU card... That's my thinking anyway...

    @Proximon
    As you can see I am pursuing this subject with extreme perseverance..
    Your thoughts?
    http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
    “At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”

    I couldn't find anything other than Gigabyte Z77X-UP7... If this is the one you mentioned then that's not my platform, that's yours... The Ivy platform... I think I will start liking the 22nm stuff in the near future but definitely not at the moment...
    !