1000 dollar build doesnt seem right

[Dholio]

Hello Tom's Hardware,

**EDIT** This is where we stand right now as far as a really good 1kish computer - Anyone feel free to chime in! Off to get the kids

I have narrowed it down quite a bit...its floating around 50$ more than I would like but I can probably make it work

Mobo - ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 - 130
CPU - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 - 230
GPU - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100352VXSR Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003 - 330
SSD - SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147163 - 100
CPU Cooler - COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099 - 35
Memory - G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231548 - 55
HD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 - 70
Case - Corsair Carbide Series 300R - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011 - 80
PSU - Rosewill HIVE Series HIVE-750 750W Continuous @40°C - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133 - 90

THis is around 1060 ish after rebates.

Is there anything you see that just isnt worth the price based on performace compared? I think I am getting close to a pretty rockin computer.


Questions I have :

aznshinobi -Just noticed your comment on mobo

the ASrock Z77 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293 - 115.....Ill check it out when I get home from pickin kids up. My question would be what are the differences bewteen that and the ASUS one?

For the Case....Is the Corsair Carbide 300R 10$ better than the HAF212 - Im more concerned about good cooling than anything

GPU - I went ahead and paid extra for the VAPOR X Gigabyte...I really dont want to have anything overheat

OVERALL - My main concern is building a very solid fast computer...there is a small chance I will ever get into SLI or OClocking so if there is somethign that would save me a lot of money I would definatley like to hear input.

Compatability - Is there a way to verify the compatability of all these parts..sure maks me nervous

Thanks again and I am gettring really close

Cheers




**ORIGINAL POST***

This is my first post and for sure wont be my last. I apologize for some of my computer language as I am learning a lot right now..but still have a way to go

A few days ago I had a friend who knows more about computers than I do come over and help me build a PC for around 1000$. The list we came up with is listed below. I have been researching the last few days and have found some conflicts with this build but based off his recommendations I went ahead and bought it. Since then a dark cloud has consumed me and I have been frantically reading and learning. From what I can tell this build will have some issues. Long story short I was able to cancel my order with newegg before they shipped it so I am good. They say it will take 4-5 business days to refund so I plan to use these days wisely.

What anyone can help me with the most is figuring out if this PC i built is what I am looking for: or is there a better direction to take.

My overall Theme is I would like to have a computer that is upgradable down the road for when technology/games improve I can swap out pieces. Which probably means spending more on a motherboard which is fine with me. I will put a brief description by each part (further down the page) as to what my friend was thinking when he got it.

Approximate Purchase Date: As soon as my newegg refunds my just now cancelled order

Budget Range: 1000ish $

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, watching Anime

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Whole computer. My current one is 7 years old and playing any current game taxes it greatly

Do you need to buy OS: Not sure - I may try to get a free student edition since my wife is in grad school..but would be nice to have a non oem? Any input there?
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: So far I have mostly been looking at Newegg and Tiger Direct. Newegg has been what I have used in the past

Location: SLC, Utah

Parts Preferences: I want to make a system that can upgrade through the years..if this means more on a Mobo that is fine

Overclocking: This one is hard...i have never overclocked and would prefer not to until i do some research and learn more. Probably some good info on that in these forums ill check into

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe - I think this means having more than 1 GPU? If so I would probably prefer not

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, 1920x1200 its one of these


Additional Comments: I am geting back into PC games and mostly play MMO's such as Guild wars 2...as well as games like SC2 and Diablo 3

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading : here is the list we came up with and its reasons


I have listed these with numbers in case you want to address a particular part


1) XFX Double D Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition FX-787A-CDFC Video Card - 269$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814150605 - Seemed good for the price although in the past I have always used NVidea..so was a little apprehensive on this one.

2) CORSAIR HX Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W Power Supply- 169$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817139010 - This seemed like a good power supply - dont see any issues on my end

3) COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black Computer Case - 59$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811119233 - Good case for the $ from what I could tell

4) Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive- 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822148697 - Latest research shows that this may be a "bottleneck" with a higher end system and it may be better to get a 128ish G SSD for my OS and games while using a drive like the barracuda for data

5) ASUS Sabertooth 990 FX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS - 185$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131736 - I as looking at the M5A99X Evo too because both seemed like AMD motherboards that could let me uprade downt he road. I guess this is where I started to get some bad feelings as it appears Intel processors are currently the way to go. From what I can tell the current series of AMD I think they are the FX series (Zambezi) are having issues and the i5 i 7 is just better. When I read this I though..crap...maybe an intel MB ....kinda started me on the path of cancelling my order.

6) AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz Socket AM3 Quad-Core Processor - 109$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819103727 - I was trying to avoid the FX series so I looked at this. Seemed like a great CPU for the price. But..fter doing some reading on Tom's it was apparent that with my 7870 GPU this was going to be a pretty bad bottleneck for when I try and upgrade in the future. Another reason to at least pause and make sure I am on he right track with parts

7) COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm sleeve CPU Cooler - 30$ -seemed like a highly recommended cooler. no issues though if my build changes this may have to change

8) G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory - 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820231560 - My friend recommended 2 x 8gb RAM since he knew i wanted to upgrade down the road and could eventually go to 32Gig. Sounded fine to me


TLDR: version - I am building a computer system for around 1000 dollars. I now have around a week before I can buy it (having cancelled my order and waiting for money to refund). Listed above this is what I was going to order and I was hoping for some quality feedback for if this is a good way to go or perhaps steer a different way. I will also be doing more research over this week on my own as I am sure I sound very noobish with a lot of what I wrote. ....gotta start somewhere. Hopefully this isnt too many questions in 1 thread.

Thanks for any help ...it is extremely appreciated.

Cheers

 

[idroid]

That build is....omg, it sucks.

Read this: http://goo.gl/rzOQk

Edit: the 1000$ PC in that compilation is waaaay better than that crap your friend picked.

I see you weren't planning to buy an SSD so my recommendation is that you drop the SSD in my 1000$ and use it to get a better graphic card like the GTX660ti or the R7950

 

[aznshinobi]

Haha You could do much better than the build that you've started with. Do not get caught up in brands, it's a gimmick most of the time. Prime examples being Asus's Price/performance is absolute crap, Corsair's Modular PSUs or PSUs in general are quite expensive for the performance. But yeahhhh....

Check out my $850-$1000 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
If you can't get a free OS, a nice cheap OS from this website: http://www.softwaresupplygroup.com/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-oem-branded.html
Unless you plan on swapping motherboards anytime soon, a normal W7 copy is no better than a OEM version.

 

[Dholio]

That build is....omg, it sucks.

Read this: http://goo.gl/rzOQk

Edit: the 1000$ PC in that compilation is waaaay better than that crap your friend picked.

I see you weren't planning to buy an SSD so my recommendation is that you drop the SSD in my 1000$ and use it to get a better graphic card like the GTX660ti or the R7950

Thank you idriod for your reply and the link.
Ya I felt kinda bad at first when my friend left and I pretty much immediately cancelled the order we spent a lot of time working on but I think it was the right decision.

If possible could you give a brief reason why the computer we built isnt optimal? Reason being Ill at some piont have to explain to him why we I cancelled it

That link is great and has a ton of ton of information that will take me a bit to go through. Looking forward to it.

Ill post here again after.

Thanks

 

[Dholio]

Haha You could do much better than the build that you've started with. Do not get caught up in brands, it's a gimmick most of the time. Prime examples being Asus's Price/performance is absolute crap, Corsair's Modular PSUs or PSUs in general are quite expensive for the performance. But yeahhhh....

Check out my $850-$1000 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
If you can't get a free OS, a nice cheap OS from this website: http://www.softwaresupplygroup.com/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-oem-branded.html
Unless you plan on swapping motherboards anytime soon, a normal W7 copy is no better than a OEM version.

Thanks aznshinobi for your help.

I really like the link you listed as I am still learning the ins and outs of building comps. I am definately enjoying it more when i can go through at my own pace and that website looks to be a great resource.

Ill spend some time reading it and reposte a computer build here and see what you all think.

Thanks again

 

[aznshinobi]

No problem Dholio! If you have any questions don't be afraid to shoot.

 

[djscribbles]

So, in contrast to what people above are saying, you're build isn't terrible, but there are definitely places you overspent, and your feeling that intel would be a better choice for CPU is pretty accurate.

I'll go through point by point and just give you my thoughts, some may be pretty debatable, but here goes.
1) The 7870 is a good card, if you are gaming at 1920x1080 or so, you won't need more power. The Nvidia alternative would be the 660Ti; I haven't done enough research on the 660Ti to recommend for or against it myself

2) It's a good power supply, would be a great choice if you wanted to use dual GPUs some time in the future; but as it stands, a good 550-600W is more than sufficient for single card. I've found this list helpful for sorting the good and bad in PSUs: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

3) The HAF912 is quite a nice case. It's not as nice as it's older brother, the HAF 922, but it's large, well constructed, and has a lot of good features for it's price (in my opinion).

4) An SSD will make a great addition to your build here. I personally would go for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 for the HDD, they've got a better cumulative egg rating (more feedback and higher % are 5 eggs) and are currently on sale (and do go on sale fairly often). A 128GB SSD is a good sweetspot for a OS+Apps+ 4 or 5 games (though 256GB are getting pretty reasonable too at around 150$ish).

5&6) Intel processors are currently much better performers than AMD. AMD chips are still good enough for gaming usually, and are decent values; but you have 300$ in your mobo and CPU, for a little bit more cash you could have an i5-3570k/3400 and a less expensive motherboard. Cheaper motherboards will limit your overclock potential, but your starting out a lot better off than an AMD chip. Your budget is too large really to consider AMD a good choice.
Also, while it's great to consider upgrade-ability; consider that you are spending a decent amount extra on a motherboard so that you 'may' be able to upgrade your system in the future; in all reality, AMD or Intel could switch sockets in 2 years and hose your plans. PCIE is historically always backwards compatible, so you can probably count on being able to drop in a new GPU if you need.

7) It's a good fan at a good price. (Or so I hear)

8) 8GB is plenty of RAM for gaming, if you want to drop the extra money on 8 more gigs, it's not a huge deal, but 2x4GB now still leaves you room to add another 2x4/8GB if you want. Any RAM more than you actually need just sits around being wasted, why not pay the lower prices of the future if you ever actually need the RAM. (I lolled a little at the idea of 32GB, it's a bit over the top imo).

Hope that helps you out some. Nobody above has given you bad advice from what I peaked at, but I thought you may like a breakdown of the good and bad.

 

[idroid]

Thank you idriod for your reply and the link.
Ya I felt kinda bad at first when my friend left and I pretty much immediately cancelled the order we spent a lot of time working on but I think it was the right decision.

If possible could you give a brief reason why the computer we built isnt optimal? Reason being Ill at some piont have to explain to him why we I cancelled it

That link is great and has a ton of ton of information that will take me a bit to go through. Looking forward to it.

Ill post here again after.

Thanks

Well, where do i start??

*The GPU is a bit too expensive.

*Corsair HX series??? that's for high-end builds only.

*The HAF 912 (besides being 9$ more expensive in your build) is no longer a good choice, there are far better options for a bit more.

*the Sabertooth line of motherboards are High-end (although a bit overrated), not budget friendly like the ones you need.

*The Phenom II X4 is garbage when you compare it to the 3570k in my build, that CPU is almost 4 years old and its kinda slow.... look: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=88 and that was the 2500k, the 3570k is about 8% faster than the 2500k

*16GB of RAM??? buddy, 4GB are enough for gaming, 8GB is the norm this days but 16GB,32GB and 64GB are ONLY used by people who do professional tasks, gaming requires a strong GPU and CPU, not RAM, specially not 1866 RAM which doesn't give any REAL performance advantage over 1600Mhz RAM

Edit: quick tip, drop the SSD in my 1000$ build and get yourself a stronger card like the 7950 or if you have the extra cash get a 7970 or a GTX670 they are a BIT overkill @1080p but they will give you a bit of "future-prof" because they support DX11.1 so even if new games with new technologies comes out those cards will support it with no problems.

 

[Dholio]

So, in contrast to what people above are saying, you're build isn't terrible, but there are definitely places you overspent, and your feeling that intel would be a better choice for CPU is pretty accurate.

I'll go through point by point and just give you my thoughts, some may be pretty debatable, but here goes.
1) The 7870 is a good card, if you are gaming at 1920x1080 or so, you won't need more power. The Nvidia alternative would be the 660Ti; I haven't done enough research on the 660Ti to recommend for or against it myself

2) It's a good power supply, would be a great choice if you wanted to use dual GPUs some time in the future; but as it stands, a good 550-600W is more than sufficient for single card. I've found this list helpful for sorting the good and bad in PSUs: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

3) The HAF912 is quite a nice case. It's not as nice as it's older brother, the HAF 922, but it's large, well constructed, and has a lot of good features for it's price (in my opinion).

4) An SSD will make a great addition to your build here. I personally would go for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 for the HDD, they've got a better cumulative egg rating (more feedback and higher % are 5 eggs) and are currently on sale (and do go on sale fairly often). A 128GB SSD is a good sweetspot for a OS+Apps+ 4 or 5 games (though 256GB are getting pretty reasonable too at around 150$ish).

5&6) Intel processors are currently much better performers than AMD. AMD chips are still good enough for gaming usually, and are decent values; but you have 300$ in your mobo and CPU, for a little bit more cash you could have an i5-3570k/3400 and a less expensive motherboard. Cheaper motherboards will limit your overclock potential, but your starting out a lot better off than an AMD chip. Your budget is too large really to consider AMD a good choice.
Also, while it's great to consider upgrade-ability; consider that you are spending a decent amount extra on a motherboard so that you 'may' be able to upgrade your system in the future; in all reality, AMD or Intel could switch sockets in 2 years and hose your plans. PCIE is historically always backwards compatible, so you can probably count on being able to drop in a new GPU if you need.

7) It's a good fan at a good price. (Or so I hear)

8) 8GB is plenty of RAM for gaming, if you want to drop the extra money on 8 more gigs, it's not a huge deal, but 2x4GB now still leaves you room to add another 2x4/8GB if you want. Any RAM more than you actually need just sits around being wasted, why not pay the lower prices of the future if you ever actually need the RAM. (I lolled a little at the idea of 32GB, it's a bit over the top imo).

Hope that helps you out some. Nobody above has given you bad advice from what I peaked at, but I thought you may like a breakdown of the good and bad.

Thanks DjScribbles..great post and I learned a lot from it. This is on par with what I think I am going to do along with idroids builds.

For the CPU the only confusion I am going to have is probably do I go with I5 3570 or I7 3570...vs sandy bridge vs Ivy bridge...i am goign to go read a bunch on all of those things now then I will repost a computer build and see what you guys think. I am very stoked and definately feel like I am on the right path here.

Of note: I definatley dont want to be messing with overclocking....and I will def be using 1 GPU so Ill have to see what that lends to.

Im gonna go do hours of research and try to make sure my next build is pretty good.

Cheers

 

[Dholio]

@idroid - Ya those are basically the reasons my gut was tellin me to stop that order. I wish I could just tell my buddy - idriod told me to pick something else...but im sure his feelings are going to get hurt either way Im going to go work on building a better pc and will post it tonight or tomorrow. THanks a ton you have been great!

Cheers

 

[idroid]

@idroid - Ya those are basically the reasons my gut was tellin me to stop that order. I wish I could just tell my buddy - idriod told me to pick something else...but im sure his feelings are going to get hurt either way Im going to go work on building a better pc and will post it tonight or tomorrow. THanks a ton you have been great!

Cheers

i am glad i was helpful and always do whats best for YOU.

Btw... get a 3570k, not an i7 CPU because i am more than sure that you will never utilize the HT feature in the i7... anyways, get a K cpu becuase i am SURE you will want to overclock later... its not hard, look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GR5_X1CfUA

 

[aznshinobi]

Thanks DjScribbles..great post and I learned a lot from it. This is on par with what I think I am going to do along with idroids builds.

For the CPU the only confusion I am going to have is probably do I go with I5 3570 or I7 3570...vs sandy bridge vs Ivy bridge...i am goign to go read a bunch on all of those things now then I will repost a computer build and see what you guys think. I am very stoked and definately feel like I am on the right path here.

Of note: I definatley dont want to be messing with overclocking....and I will def be using 1 GPU so Ill have to see what that lends to.

Im gonna go do hours of research and try to make sure my next build is pretty good.

Cheers

As stated, there is no i7 3570, it's the i7 3770. Also I would get the K (unlocked) version of the chips mainly because you never know. Overclocking is quite easy and many motherboards have an auto safe overclock for the i5 3570K/i7 3770K anyways so you'll be good there. I'd have to say that Sandy is nice, but Ivy is better with the PCI 3.0 capability for the future proofing part of the build.

 

[Dholio]

@ idroid - Ya the reason I am against OC right now is I just dont know much about it....I will for sure watch that video and I am sure as I learn more I will be more comfortable

@ aznshinobi - Great advice, sure appreciate it. What I am learning over the last several days is this is the more I learn, the more fun this is becoming building this computer. Sure is nice having people that know what they are talking about around.

It looks like the i7 is 110$ more than the i5 so i bet i end up witht he i5 when i make this build.

Eyeballs are spinning right now with info...hopefully ill get this new build done tonight for review..if not it will be done tomorrow.

(thankfully I still have a few days until newegg refunds my first build )

Cheers

 

[Dholio]

Idriod - I was rereading some of the posts here and noticed earlier you mentioned the HAF912 is "no longer good".......care to elaborate a little on that. For the cost it seemed pretty good. I am the type that doesnt care if it lights up or anything so that is why I leaned towards that one. Any recommendations?

Cheers

 

[aznshinobi]

The 912 is great! It's just that with the Corsair 300R sitting quite close to it in price point, it just isn't quite the king at the $50-$60 range with so many available options.

Another substitute is the the Source 220 from NZXT or the Antec One Illusion.

Also, the i7 is unnecessary unless you plan to do some hefty multi-threaded apps. But seems like you're going i5 anyways. One thing that will always be for sure, the i5 is on par/similar with the i7 in gaming.

 

[idroid]

@ idroid - Ya the reason I am against OC right now is I just dont know much about it....I will for sure watch that video and I am sure as I learn more I will be more comfortable

@ aznshinobi - Great advice, sure appreciate it. What I am learning over the last several days is this is the more I learn, the more fun this is becoming building this computer. Sure is nice having people that know what they are talking about around.

It looks like the i7 is 110$ more than the i5 so i bet i end up witht he i5 when i make this build.

Eyeballs are spinning right now with info...hopefully ill get this new build done tonight for review..if not it will be done tomorrow.

(thankfully I still have a few days until newegg refunds my first build )
Cheers

Well, just be sure to post all the parts you're gonna buy BEFORE you make the same mistke again :lol:

you might even get this

 

[Dholio]

Nice! i want that hammer!!!

You guys are amazing...It appears I am working on my build more than I thought tonight...should get a good chunk of it done now thanks to all the help.

What is your guys/gals takes on NVidia vs Radeon as far as heat output? The forums are hard to gather inforation from but one common thing I am hearing is Nvidia has overheating issues?

Thanks again!! back to reading

Cheers

 

[idroid]

What is your guys/gals takes on NVidia vs Radeon as far as heat output? The forums are hard to gather inforation from but one common thing I am hearing is Nvidia has overheating issues?

Well, you can't really compare the heat output based on brands... the 4870 is a lot hotter than the (let say) the GT 520 and the GTX480 is a lot hotter than the 5450.... you must compare same-tier cards... for expamble, the 7970 runs a bit cooler than the GTX680 (both cards using their refence desing)

 

[Dholio]

Ya I should have been more specific. The two cards I am mostly looking at is the XFX Double D 7870 2GB vs maybe an EVGA 660Ti. The EVGA is about 80$ more.

 

[idroid]

Ya I should have been more specific. The two cards I am mostly looking at is the XFX Double D 7870 2GB vs maybe an EVGA 660Ti. The EVGA is about 80$ more.

EVGA coolers suck. the custom cooler in the XFX double D card is quieter and keeps the card cooler... are you sure you can't get the 7950?

Consider these four cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150601&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102989&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[Dholio]

EVGA coolers suck. the custom cooler in the XFX double D card is quieter and keeps the card cooler... are you sure you can't get the 7950?

Consider these four cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150601&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102989&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Ill can probably make that work. Of those 4 is there a favorite? All 4 brands seem good but I think aznshinobi mentioned earlier brand isnt everything so any input?
(Aznshinobi if you read this feel free th chime in )

Does core clock make a big dfifference? I notice some of them have higher clore clock than others that you listed

 

[idroid]

Ill can probably make that work. Of those 4 is there a favorite? All 4 brands seem good but I think aznshinobi mentioned earlier brand isnt everything so any input?
(Aznshinobi if you read this feel free th chime in )

Does core clock make a big dfifference? I notice some of them have higher clore clock than others that you listed

Personally i'd get the gigabyte or the Twin frozer because those coolers have remained since they were first used in (I THINK) the GTX460 and then they modified it (a third fan was added) for the high-end cards (the twin frozer didnt change, they use better heatskins)

 

[aznshinobi]

Seeing as all of the 7950's are around the same price point any work really that you see on Newegg. They all pretty much perform roughly the same. Maybe you get the one you like more brand-wise.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003

Sapphire's Vapor-X cards are always nice. I've never liked XFX's coolers but they have a nice double lifetime warranty.

Honestly though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102989
You only save $10 really though, but whatever it's $10 that can be used elsewhere amirite? Plus you get a nice little $20 MIR too.

 

[idroid]

Sapphire's Vapor-X cards are always nice. I've never liked XFX's coolers but they have a nice double lifetime warranty.

would you mind explaining that?

 

[aznshinobi]

? XFX offers double lifetime warranty, where the first initial owner gets lifetime warranty. If that user sells it, the next user gets the lifetime warranty as well.