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August 29, 2012 1:23:01 PM

Hi guys. I am building a pc with 350$ or less (about the cost of an Xbox 360) that will be capable of running most anything the 360 or ps3 can run at similar settings for the ultimate end to the console vs. pc debate. I need your guys help. I've found a deal here http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... but i want to make sure this is the best option before purchasing this. and if this is the best option for our budget, what graphics card can we get without exceeding the budget. If we can do this, we can ultimately determine that pc is superior to console in every single way possible.

RULES: The Operating System DOES NOT contribute to the 350$ budget.

Shipping and Handling Does Not contribute to the 350$ budget

Consoles DO NOT run more intensive games at max settings. Crysis 2 runs at about high (not ultra) on consoles. Battlefield 3 runs at about medium. So this pc does not need to max out every game it plays. just run it as good or better than consoles.

Thank you guys for reading this topic, now pleas discuss what our options are in the comments section below so we can determine that pc is superior to any console.
August 29, 2012 1:28:44 PM

That is one great deal. Add in a 7770 to that and your good to go. :D 
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August 29, 2012 1:33:49 PM

go with amd a3870k apu+gygabyte mobo+8gb ram+hdd+dvd rw+case+psu

so you don't need a video card because you are using a apu

apu=cpu+gpu
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August 29, 2012 1:38:41 PM

i saw the deal which is good for $215.you need to buy a gpu for gaming around $130.so find a good gpu for system.i recommend to buy amd radeon gpu around $130.
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August 29, 2012 2:11:07 PM

maninder055 said:
i saw the deal which is good for $215.you need to buy a gpu for gaming around $130.so find a good gpu for system.i recommend to buy amd radeon gpu around $130.

Thanks for the input. but I would prefer direct links to the gfx card. I could probably find one under budget no problem, but if everybody provides just one link than It would be easier for me to compare and we can prove that PC is the ultimate gaming platform once and for all.
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August 29, 2012 2:56:58 PM

Purely in gaming performance an older 6850 beats the 7770 in almost every GAME on the toms benchmark list. It also is the same price on newegg.

It takes a little more power @ 127W vs 82W but that should squeeze in to your power envelope ok.

Even better would be to find a 6870 though that is starting to squeeze the PSU. $160 vs $135 but far better performance than the 7770 or 6850.

BUT, and i stress that this is another GREAT ADVANTAGE of PC's over consoles is that you can upgrade them and can use parts from various generations. This means you can legitimately buy your GPU on EBAY as opposed to consoles which are fixed.

My best find on ebay is...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Sapphire-Radeon-HD-6870-1GB...

6870 for $140

or

actually thats the best I can find, i am stunned by how crappy the deals are on the USA ebay. Here in the UK you can get much better deals. Look at so many people trying to sell their old used 6850s for more than brand new price.... LOL wasting their listing fees.

EDIT:** Check your local craigslist for better deals maybe?
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August 29, 2012 4:23:24 PM

maninder055 said:
go with amd a3870k apu+gygabyte mobo+8gb ram+hdd+dvd rw+case+psu

so you don't need a video card because you are using a apu

apu=cpu+gpu

I agree with maninder...an A8 3870K would run in AMD Dual Graphics with a HD 6670 DDR5 (which may be oc'ed through overdrive) that'll be a sure console beater... I'll do a newegg build and post the config...must fall in that budget
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August 29, 2012 4:32:48 PM

americanbrian said:
Purely in gaming performance an older 6850 beats the 7770 in almost every GAME on the toms benchmark list. It also is the same price on newegg.

It takes a little more power @ 127W vs 82W but that should squeeze in to your power envelope ok.

Even better would be to find a 6870 though that is starting to squeeze the PSU. $160 vs $135 but far better performance than the 7770 or 6850.

BUT, and i stress that this is another GREAT ADVANTAGE of PC's over consoles is that you can upgrade them and can use parts from various generations. This means you can legitimately buy your GPU on EBAY as opposed to consoles which are fixed.

My best find on ebay is...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Sapphire-Radeon-HD-6870-1GB...

6870 for $140

or


actually thats the best I can find, i am stunned by how crappy the deals are on the USA ebay. Here in the UK you can get much better deals. Look at so many people trying to sell their old used 6850s for more than brand new price.... LOL wasting their listing fees.

EDIT:** Check your local craigslist for better deals maybe?


Thanks for the input, but the budget is a STRICT 350$. Otherwise, it would prove console gaming is cheaper and therefore, albeit in one single way, better. So If I can find a 7770
or 6850 without going over budget, I would've already far exceeded the 360s and the ps3s gpu. We are not trying to build the most powerrful pc possible. We are just building a PC that will exceed the 360s power and capability for a similar price. :bounce: 

edit* found a 6850 on craigslist for 100$ :D DDD Look Out Microsoft, I just built a more powerful gaming pc than your 360 for less than the cost of a 360 and an xbox live membership.
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August 29, 2012 5:17:12 PM

Regardless, the reasons I choose to use the 360 over the pc is the closed system that helps prevent cheats (aim bots) and the chat capabilities.

I delayed playing the 360 because of a lack of keyboard mouse since that what I grew up using and wanted. Once a very good device came out that made that possible, I switched and never looked back, nor will I.

Good luck with your build though. I hope it works out for you.
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August 29, 2012 5:22:38 PM

Bleh consoles. Nothing like using technology that is 5-6 years old and feeling current. Good luck on your build, can probably beat console performance with half that budget.
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August 29, 2012 5:26:49 PM

1) Dual graphics doesn't always work, so careful there.
2) Don't bring used consoles into the debate. You can get used PC parts/PCs too, dirt cheap.
3)i'd prefer putting a core i3 in there, but that PC you found on tiger direct is pretty sweet!

I'll see if i can cook up another build from newegg parts.
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August 29, 2012 5:46:48 PM

my suggestion for $350

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A8-3850 2.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-A55M-DS2 Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Momentu 500GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($56.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill R101-P-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.49 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 350W ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $348.38
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-29 13:46 EDT-0400)

this is approximately a Playstation 4, but with a bigger hard drive and slightly better crossfire graphics.
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August 29, 2012 5:52:27 PM

ok, no, couldn't get it under $350 even with a pentium G860 :( 
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August 29, 2012 6:45:51 PM

TheXpertnoob said:
Thanks for the input, but the budget is a STRICT 350$. Otherwise, it would prove console gaming is cheaper and therefore, albeit in one single way, better. So If I can find a 7770
or 6850 without going over budget, I would've already far exceeded the 360s and the ps3s gpu. We are not trying to build the most powerrful pc possible. We are just building a PC that will exceed the 360s power and capability for a similar price. :bounce: 

edit* found a 6850 on craigslist for 100$ :D DDD Look Out Microsoft, I just built a more powerful gaming pc than your 360 for less than the cost of a 360 and an xbox live membership.


Sorry, but I want to point a fail in your analysis.
PC gaming DOESN'T need to be strict 350$.

Just don't forget the cost of all the extras.
Let's think, if you buy 10 console games vs 10 pc games. Considering that each console game is $10 more expensive, then the PC would have $100 extra to spend in hardware over the consoles.
Considering the xbox online membership the gap gets even bigger. Just don't forget all this in your analysis.

EDIT: minor corrections.
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August 29, 2012 7:14:17 PM

and console peripherals are way OP! (overpiced). If you want a four player game you better be prepared to spend on the controllers/steering wheel, light gun, etc etc.
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August 29, 2012 7:19:25 PM

Skippy27 said:
Regardless, the reasons I choose to use the 360 over the pc is the closed system that helps prevent cheats (aim bots) and the chat capabilities.

I delayed playing the 360 because of a lack of keyboard mouse since that what I grew up using and wanted. Once a very good device came out that made that possible, I switched and never looked back, nor will I.

Good luck with your build though. I hope it works out for you.

your argument is invalid. Play 10 matches on COD4 on a VAC secured server on pc and then join 10 matches in a public lobby on Xbox 360 and tell me which one had less hackers. Thats just like saying macs dont get viruses. why create viruses/cheats for systems that arent used by the majority of people?
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August 29, 2012 7:21:54 PM

vitornob said:
Sorry, but I want to point a fail in your analysis.
PC gaming DOESN'T need to be strict 350$.

Just don't forget the cost of all the extras.
Let's think, if you buy 10 console games vs 10 pc games. Considering that each console game is $10 more expensive, then the PC would have $100 extra to spend in hardware over the consoles.
Considering the xbox online membership the gap gets even bigger. Just don't forget all this in your analysis.

EDIT: minor corrections.

Thats a no brainer for people like you and me but die hard 360 fanboys won't take this into account. Thats why I am setting a Strict 350$ limit. The main argument for most console people is that pc gaming is too expensive, so this will prove them wrong.
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August 29, 2012 7:34:20 PM

My advice is to get a <$60 athlon triple core cpu on newegg and then a 7750 or 6670 GDDR5. That would easily smash console graphics.
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August 29, 2012 7:40:22 PM

no love fo rmy Quad core, crossfire $350 system?
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August 29, 2012 10:44:47 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
no love fo rmy Quad core, crossfire $350 system?


seems cool. CF with lower level GPUs seems iffy. But I'd give it a shot.
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August 29, 2012 10:57:07 PM

*could pick up
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August 29, 2012 10:57:28 PM

If you had a Microcenter nearby, you could have picked up the PII 965 with a mATX board for $90.
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August 30, 2012 12:09:58 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
no love fo rmy Quad core, crossfire $350 system?


Really? i'd like to see the specs on your pc, please provide them.
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August 30, 2012 12:51:30 AM

Here's something to think about as well.


Console systems are all created very cheap because they have the same crap in them and they are mass produced.

If there was a computer mass produced like they are, it would be even cheaper; YET better than the xbox or ps3 by FAR!
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August 30, 2012 12:54:57 AM

Valve really needs to make a Steam box. If they did, people would take PC gaming seriously. If they could sell it from $100-$300, then that would be awesome. Instead of Windows 7/8, maybe a stripped down version of Windows that boots into Steam?

Don't forget that they're subsidized. MS is making their money back on XBL Gold, MS Points, etc. Sony too.
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August 30, 2012 1:09:50 AM

TheXpertnoob said:
Really? i'd like to see the specs on your pc, please provide them.


here it is again
my suggestion for $350

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A8-3850 2.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-A55M-DS2 Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Momentu 500GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($56.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill R101-P-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.49 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 350W ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $348.38
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-29 13:46 EDT-0400)

this is approximately a Playstation 4's set up. much better than an XBox
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August 30, 2012 1:12:29 AM

For this build, wait a bit for Trinity. It's coming soon, and I expect them to improve the Hybrid CFX feature. The 6670 and A8 don't scale very well in some apps(in others, they scale very well), but I expect AMD to fix that in Trinity.
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August 30, 2012 8:16:07 AM

AMD

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... $239.99
MSI AMD Series Motherboard and AMD Athlon II X4 640 Quad Core Processor and Cooler Master AM2 / AM3 CPU Cooler and Lite-On Internal 24X DVD Writer and ADATA Premier Srs 4GB DDR3 Desktop Memory Bundle

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... $99.99
MSI Radeon HD 7770 R7770-PMD1GD5 Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16), 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 1x DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, MSI Afterburner

$339.98

Intel

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... $249.99
MSI H61 Intel Core i3 Barebone PC - MSI H61M-P31 Motherboard, Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz CPU, TX521 Chassis, 350 Watt 80PLUS Power Supply, Embedded Card Reader - still needs HDD, RAM

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... $99.99
MSI Radeon HD 7770 R7770-PMD1GD5 Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16), 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 1x DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, MSI Afterburner

$349.98
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August 30, 2012 12:22:25 PM

Ok i tried again. See, it'll be ideal to get a Core i3-2100 in this because except in very few games its performance is better than most CPUs in that price range, including the phenom II x6. now i failed at that because i only tried newegg. All i could JUST fit in was a pentium G630 and the total comes to $353. You could put in a G620 and cut $4 off it. Anyway, this is what i managed:

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - $17

NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black - $40

Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W - $37

ASRock H61M-DGS LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX - $45

Intel Pentium G630 Sandy Bridge 2.7GHz - $68

G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) F3-10666CL9D-4GBNS - $21

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 - $65

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD322GJ/U 320GB 7200 RPM - $60

Now there's a $15 rebate on the 6670, which could be put into a faster processor (like the G860). If you look around, maybe you find a rebate on a higher end part, though i'm not sure if that fits into your rule list, so i didn't go there (the 6670 rebate was incidental). Or you might find a steal like that 6850 for $100 on sites other than newegg.

Rationale for this (Pentium/i3 vs the APU) is:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/406?vs=399&i=60....

and:




(Obviously there are more benchmarks, here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a... )

Though i'm not sure how much it'll matter at the resolution we're tagetting (720p), because once you're above 60fps it doesn't matter.
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August 30, 2012 2:53:31 PM

You should consider a case that comes with a PSU. Some $50 and less cases come with a decent PSU, and with the GPU you are using it wont need to be strong at all...
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August 30, 2012 7:06:47 PM

CaptainTom said:
You should consider a case that comes with a PSU. Some $50 and less cases come with a decent PSU, and with the GPU you are using it wont need to be strong at all...



Ack! NO!!!

with rare exceptions, cases that include PSUs, *especially* under $50, have crappy PSUs built cheap that will fry at 250-300W usage because modern CPUs use the 12v line instead of the 5v line.
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August 31, 2012 5:30:53 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
Ack! NO!!!

with rare exceptions, cases that include PSUs, *especially* under $50, have crappy PSUs built cheap that will fry at 250-300W usage because modern CPUs use the 12v line instead of the 5v line.



Ack!! YEAH!!!

I didn't say "Buy one now, they all work!' I SAID: He should consider one and therefore check reviews. Some ~$50-60 cases come with good PSU's, or at least good enough for a 6670. I assumed we were all intelligent and knew how to check stuff for ourselves...
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August 31, 2012 5:31:13 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
my suggestion for $350

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A8-3850 2.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-A55M-DS2 Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Momentu 500GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($56.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill R101-P-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.49 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 350W ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $348.38
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-29 13:46 EDT-0400)

this is approximately a Playstation 4, but with a bigger hard drive and slightly better crossfire graphics.



No one knows what a PS4 is yet. You are basing that assumption off of old rumored specs. The new rumor is that it will use a modified 8 core trinity APU + 7950M which would crush this build (and is possible).
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August 31, 2012 6:24:26 AM

The 7950M is for laptops, but you do have a fair point. However, the 8 core CPU doesn't make a difference in gaming.
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August 31, 2012 5:29:02 PM

azeem40 said:
The 7950M is for laptops, but you do have a fair point. However, the 8 core CPU doesn't make a difference in gaming.


An 8 core CPU isn't useful in PC games since no dev really uses them. However when everyone has an 8 core CPU, the devs WILL utilize them. This is made obvious by the PS3. At first games looked worst or the same as 360, but now they look as good or better (Yes in most cases) once people realized they have to use them.

Also I know the 7950M is a mobile cpu. That doesn't matter in console land. Remember both the CPU and GPU I mentioned will be custom versions meant for just the PS4.
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August 31, 2012 6:04:52 PM

CaptainTom said:
No one knows what a PS4 is yet. You are basing that assumption off of old rumored specs. The new rumor is that it will use a modified 8 core trinity APU + 7950M which would crush this build (and is possible).

Yeah, rumor.
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August 31, 2012 9:47:43 PM

CaptainTom said:
No one knows what a PS4 is yet. You are basing that assumption off of old rumored specs. The new rumor is that it will use a modified 8 core trinity APU + 7950M which would crush this build (and is possible).


There is no way in hell that you will be able to get an APU and a 7950m for the budget listed here. Really?! I'd expect the price to be at least 500 to 600 bucks for that kind of power. And you can build a rig to match or beat it at that price range.
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August 31, 2012 11:49:47 PM

loops said:
There is no way in hell that you will be able to get an APU and a 7950m for the budget listed here. Really?! I'd expect the price to be at least 500 to 600 bucks for that kind of power. And you can build a rig to match or beat it at that price range.


I was responding to someone man. And yes it is possible for sony to do it, and then sell it for $400 IN A YEAR, NOT NOW!
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