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July 14, 2012 3:49:59 AM

ok so yea i'm rethinking my gpu decision, i will be running 5760x1080 i wanted to cf 7970 with 650w and i wont be able to so can i just cf 2 gtx 670 with 650w ? and will i be able to max bf3 with just 1 gtx 670 2gb at 5760x1080 with 2x aa ? and yea 2 gtx 670 is a bit cheaper then getting 2 gtx 7970 and a new psu , this is the current psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

spec atm i5 2500k oc 4.8ghz at 1.34v
8gb corsair vengeance 2x4
asrock extreme 4 gen 3
m4 128gb ssd
1tb
evo 212

and yea sry for asking so much question its just i wont be buying more parts for my pc for about 3-5yrs after i get my gpu/last monitor i wont be buying parts just want to make sure i get something good to last me a few years .

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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 4:28:55 AM

IMO the OC head room on the 7970 will more than make up for the price difference.

As for playing at those resolutions; both cards in xfire or SLI will chew through that res.

IMO 650 watt is the absolute minimum for xfire/SLI and if you're overclocking you're really gonna want to watch the 12v rail. IMO bigger PSU is required but YMMV
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July 14, 2012 4:40:43 AM

all my video cards so far bn from amd and the only problem i had was bad fans just wanted to try the 670 just because nvidia has CUDA, Physx, yea idk what that is but yea i'm just thinking on this 2 cards ASUS GTX670-DC2T-2GD5 GeForce GTX 670 2GB 430$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7970 OC 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 465$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

only bad thing is with the 7970 if i cf i will need a new psu and i heard with the 670 sli i wont need a new psu .
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 4:43:25 AM

mrwil said:
ok so yea i'm rethinking my gpu decision, i will be running 5760x1080 i wanted to cf 7970 with 650w and i wont be able to so can i just cf 2 gtx 670 with 650w ? and will i be able to max bf3 with just 1 gtx 670 2gb at 5760x1080 with 2x aa ? and yea 2 gtx 670 is a bit cheaper then getting 2 gtx 7970 and a new psu , this is the current psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

spec atm i5 2500k oc 4.8ghz at 1.34v
8gb corsair vengeance 2x4
asrock extreme 4 gen 3
m4 128gb ssd
1tb
evo 212

and yea sry for asking so much question its just i wont be buying more parts for my pc for about 3-5yrs after i get my gpu/last monitor i wont be buying parts just want to make sure i get something good to last me a few years .


i don't think that you can run 7970 CF or 670 SLi with a 650w psu-
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-670-review/8
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review...
but a 750w will do fine even if you overclock.
a single 670 or 7970 will NOT perform well on that resolution.670 SLi is the way to go,here is a review-
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1625084&mpage=4
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 4:45:12 AM

CUDA is no good to you unless you're doing number crunching or 3d design
Physx is over rated and I don't miss it in games that "support"it but it does look sweet in some applications

IMO the 7970 is AWESOME and the over clocking ability puts the 670 to shame.


The real difference is gonna be between the ati SLI drivers and the ATI xfire drivers
IMO ATI is still the way to go but it's up to you.
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 4:49:53 AM

bobusboy said:

IMO the 7970 is AWESOME and the over clocking ability puts the 670 to shame.
The real difference is gonna be between the ati SLI drivers and the ATI xfire drivers
IMO ATI is still the way to go but it's up to you.

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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 4:50:03 AM

for 3 monitor the 7970 is far superior to the 670, if only for the extra 1GB of ram. you can crank up the AA settings on a texture heavy game like Skyrim (with HD textures and other graphics mods), and a 670 or 680 can be forced to crash after it runs out of VRAM space. it's not worth it buying the 4GB version of the 670 simply because with the extra cost, a 7970 will destroy it in "bang for the buck"

EDIT: I however do AGREE with hellfire, overclockability is not the issue here. the issue is extra VRAM space being very handy for high resolutions
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 4:55:21 AM

vmem said:
for 3 monitor the 7970 is far superior to the 670, if only for the extra 1GB of ram. you can crank up the AA settings on a texture heavy game like Skyrim (with HD textures and other graphics mods), and a 670 or 680 can be forced to crash after it runs out of VRAM space. it's not worth it buying the 4GB version of the 670 simply because with the extra cost, a 7970 will destroy it in "bang for the buck"

EDIT: I however do AGREE with hellfire, overclockability is not the issue here. the issue is extra VRAM space being very handy for high resolutions


need some benchmarks showing a good boost with extra vram on 5760x1080 resolution and also a link to the review where 670/80 crashes due to LACK OF VRAM
and how does a 7970 *destroys* a 670 in bang for buck?
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:06:25 AM

^yes it is a good find,same thing happens with skyrim but here the case is BF3.

it's the asus dcii top version which is cheaper than a reference 7970 and also beats a 680 with some overclocking-
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According to ASUS, the retail price of the GTX 670 DC II TOP will be $419.

Faster than GeForce GTX 680
Whisper quiet in both idle and load
Very power efficient
Excellent memory overclocking potential
Software voltage control
Up to four active displays now, makes surround possible with one card
Support for PCI-Express 3.0 and DirectX 11.1
Support for CUDA and PhysX

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http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:10:35 AM

hellfire24 said:
need some benchmarks showing a good boost with extra vram on 5760x1080 resolution and also a link to the review where 670/80 crashes due to LACK OF VRAM
and how does a 7970 *destroys* a 670 in bang for buck?


ok. I had to look for 7970 ghz edition reviews so that the they would be using 12.7 drivers, which made a huge difference. how let's look at BF3, a game that we know the 670/680 excels at:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...
ignoring the 7970 ghz performance and just look at the regular 7970. you see that it is absolutely pummeled at lower resolutions, but rises to be on par with the 680 at triple monitor resolutions. this is generally thought to be due to the extra VRAM (can't find concrete proof of this atm, and I do apologize).

as for claims of crashing, this is only a phenomenon I've seen around forums, some of whom have done extensive trouble shooting and are led to believe the crashes are due to insufficient VRAM. I will admit that this claim is poorly backed up, and you and the OP are free to believe whichever you choose. I'm just trying to throw that information out there

also, I will state that it is my belief that we will be headed toward more VRAM usage in the coming years. while I will wholeheartedly recommend the 670 to anyone looking for single monitor action (even at 1600p), I cannot recommend a 670 for someone looking to get at least 2-3 years out of it at 3 monitors... I think it is risky to believe that 2GB of VRAM will hold up at that resolution for that long

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July 14, 2012 5:19:52 AM

vmem said:
ok. I had to look for 7970 ghz edition reviews so that the they would be using 12.7 drivers, which made a huge difference. how let's look at BF3, a game that we know the 670/680 excels at:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...
ignoring the 7970 ghz performance and just look at the regular 7970. you see that it is absolutely pummeled at lower resolutions, but rises to be on par with the 680 at triple monitor resolutions. this is generally thought to be due to the extra VRAM (can't find concrete proof of this atm, and I do apologize).

as for claims of crashing, this is only a phenomenon I've seen around forums, some of whom have done extensive trouble shooting and are led to believe the crashes are due to insufficient VRAM. I will admit that this claim is poorly backed up, and you and the OP are free to believe whichever you choose. I'm just trying to throw that information out there


amd has *killed* the overclocking potential of a reference 7970 by making it the "gigahertz edition crap".a 670 has more overclocking potential as you can see in the techpowerup review i posted.it also beats the 680.
but on 5760x1080 resolution it's clear that both the cards struggle hard and the game is choppy.so 670 SLi is cheaper,cooler,faster after some overclocking and a more *future proof*solutions(we all know nvidia driver support>amd driver support).
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:22:11 AM

vmem said:

also, I will state that it is my belief that we will be headed toward more VRAM usage in the coming years. while I will wholeheartedly recommend the 670 to anyone looking for single monitor action (even at 1600p), I cannot recommend a 670 for someone looking to get at least 2-3 years out of it at 3 monitors... I think it is risky to believe that 2GB of VRAM will hold up at that resolution for that long


but can you guarantee me that extra 1GB will keep up well with the 3 monitor setup in next 3 years?
for me it's NO and that's for sure.
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July 14, 2012 5:28:50 AM

hellfire24 said:
but can you guarantee me that extra 1GB will keep up well with the 3 monitor setup in next 3 years?
for me it's NO and that's for sure.


no I cannot. but I think we can both agree that the extra 1GB certainly makes it safer. meanwhile, only EVGA makes a 4GB 670 and it costs $480 with a so-so cooler, which is what I meant by a 7970 destroys a 4GB 670 in value.

here's the way I think about it, the 580 came out only a year ago and was certainly a well made card. it came with 1.5GB of memory. which I would certainly be feeling not very comfortable about running 5060x1080 over the next year or two (especially with new consoles and thus new console ports on the horizon). the OP specifically asked for a recommendation keeping in mind that he'll be running this set up for at least 2-3 years. so yeah, I stand by my recommendation of the 7970, I don't think I'll convince you otherwise, but I've given the OP my recommendation and that's what I came here to do

and you say "NO" to using 3GB in 3 years with such certainty... I wish I had a time machine like you and knew about the future for sure...
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July 14, 2012 5:34:07 AM

Best answer selected by mrwil.
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:36:26 AM

vmem said:
no I cannot. but I think we can both agree that the extra 1GB certainly makes it safer. meanwhile, only EVGA makes a 4GB 670 and it costs $480 with a so-so cooler, which is what I meant by a 7970 destroys a 4GB 670 in value.

here's the way I think about it, the 580 came out only a year ago and was certainly a well made card. it came with 1.5GB of memory. which I would certainly be feeling not very comfortable about running 5060x1080 over the next year or two (especially with new consoles and thus new console ports on the horizon). the OP specifically asked for a recommendation keeping in mind that he'll be running this set up for at least 2-3 years. so yeah, I stand by my recommendation of the 7970, I don't think I'll convince you otherwise, but I've given the OP my recommendation and that's what I came here to do

and you say "NO" to using 3GB in 3 years with such certainty... I wish I had a time machine like you and knew about the future for sure...


you tell me how 1GB will make it safer? a 1gb 5870 is better than a 2gb 5670.it's clear as water.
me and my brother thought the same a few months ago,we thought that 580 3GB will perform better in future but unfortunately i was wrong,a 1.5GB 580 with higher clock rates will beat a slower 580.
i wish you knew that nothing is futureproof in computers,technology changes so fast that it's almost impossible to keep yourself up to date or mark anything as *futureproof*.when i got $600 580 3GB,i thought we are future proof but now a $400 card beats the hell out of it.
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:38:33 AM

getting best answer selected doesn't means you proved your point cause you were wrong.once again ladies an gentlemen,i witnessed one of the worst *best answer selection* in the history of toms.
good luck to OP.
have a good time.
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July 14, 2012 5:41:04 AM

hellfire24 said:
you tell me how 1GB will make it safer? a 1gb 5870 is better than a 2gb 5670.it's clear as water.
me and my brother thought the same a few months ago,we thought that 580 3GB will perform better in future but unfortunately i was wrong,a 1.5GB 580 with higher clock rates will beat a slower 580.
i wish you knew that nothing is futureproof in computers,technology changes so fast that it's almost impossible to keep yourself up to date or mark anything as *futureproof*.when i got $600 580 3GB,i thought we are future proof but now a $400 card beats the hell out of it.


I understand that there's no such thing as future proofing, at least not if you're looking to stay at the top. however there is playable and unplayable, and when you absolutely hit the memory limit of that 1.5gb 580, a game will be unplayable. however, your 3GB 580 may still be able to run it.
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:42:52 AM

vmem said:
I understand that there's no such thing as future proofing, at least not if you're looking to stay at the top. however there is playable and unplayable, and when you absolutely hit the memory limit of that 1.5gb 580, a game will be unplayable. however, your 3GB 580 may still be able to run it.


no it's not!
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:43:07 AM

hellfire24 said:
getting best answer selected doesn't means you proved your point cause you were wrong.once again ladies an gentlemen,i witnessed one of the worst *best answer selection* in the history of toms.
good luck to OP.
have a good time.


I agree completely, though I do appreciate the OP's gesture. I don't want to argue with you about someone else's opinions as that is completely pointless. and as I'm sure you can agree with me, a person's opinion does not make me, nor yourself, factually correct.
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:45:58 AM

hellfire24 said:
no it's not!


well then that's a shame, I'm sorry you feel you wasted your $600. I think we once again prove my point that the 4GB 670 is worthless.

additionally, you do realize that a reference 7970 can be had for $410 and for around $450 you can get one with a decent cooler right? the price difference is almost negligible, and with such a small price difference, I do believe it's worth it to "ATTEMPT" get a card that'll run your favorite game next year
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:47:17 AM

vmem said:
I agree completely, though I do appreciate the OP's gesture. I don't want to argue with you about someone else's opinions as that is completely pointless. and as I'm sure you can agree with me, a person's opinion does not make me, nor yourself, factually correct.

yes i do,i just feel bad when someone makes a wrong decision.
no fights,just a sharing of opinions and thoughts.
the thread is *solved* i hope mods do their job.
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a c 117 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:47:52 AM

^ yeah!
c'mon "DON'T STOP TILL YOU GET ENOUGH!" thread aint closed yet, lets see whay ou got . .i got $$$ vmem can't handle it

[:pdxalex:2]
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:48:32 AM

hellfire24 said:
yes i do,i just feel bad when someone makes a wrong decision.
no fights,just a sharing of opinions and thoughts.
the thread is *solved* i hope mods do their job.


fair enough, have a good night
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July 14, 2012 5:48:35 AM

only reason i gave vmem the best answer its because i asked the same question on http://www.overclock.net and the people there told me the same think 7970 is best for my resolution . and can a admin close this thread thanks for ya help
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:49:55 AM

Anonymous said:
^ yeah!
c'mon "DON'T STOP TILL YOU GET ENOUGH!" thread aint closed yet, lets see whay ou got . .i got $$$ vmem can't handle it

[:pdxalex:2]


lol, well, I can tell you that if hellfire is 16 as he says he is, he's certainly got more freetime than I do to win this argument. guy knows his stuff though and I'll acknowledge that much

EDIT: oh, and split that $$$ with me and I'll be happy to throw the fight :p 
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:51:37 AM

vmem said:
well then that's a shame, I'm sorry you feel you wasted your $600. I think we once again prove my point that the 4GB 670 is worthless.


an so is the 3GB 7970.

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additionally, you do realize that a reference 7970 can be had for $410 and for around $450 you can get one with a decent cooler right? the price difference is almost negligible, and with such a small price difference, I do believe it's worth it to "ATTEMPT" get a card that'll run your favorite game next year

a reference 670 is $400 and with a top notch cooler is $420,and it beats the 7970 is both forms(reference 670>reference 7970 and custom 670 lets say DCII>custom 7970 in terms of price/performance ratio).
and if 3GB 7970 can run your favorite game next year than i am sure a 2GB 670 can also do it(in a better way :p )
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 5:54:07 AM

hellfire24 said:
an so is the 3GB 7970.

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additionally, you do realize that a reference 7970 can be had for $410 and for around $450 you can get one with a decent cooler right? the price difference is almost negligible, and with such a small price difference, I do believe it's worth it to "ATTEMPT" get a card that'll run your favorite game next year

a reference 670 is $400 and with a top notch cooler is $420,and it beats the 7970 is both forms(reference 670>reference 7970 and custom 670 lets say DCII>custom 7970 in terms of price/performance ratio).
and if 3GB 7970 can run your favorite game next year than i am sure a 2GB 670 can also do it(in a better way :p )


given the latest drivers, find me a benchmark where you're right that the 670 beat a 7970... (majority win in a balanced benchmarking suite please)
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:02:23 AM

vmem said:
given the latest drivers, find me a benchmark where you're right that the 670 beat a 7970... (majority win in a balanced benchmarking suite please)

as i said earlier,the driver update and gigahertz edition has killed the overclocking potential of 7970.you will not experience the overclocking fun of a reference 7970 because it's already overclocked.it is proven that a 680>7970 and asus dcii 670 beats the 680 which means it also beats the 7970 and still has plenty of overclocking room left.
in simple words-
if you think that a 1GHz 7970 can beat a stock 670 than don't forget 670 has more overclocking potential and an overclocked 670 will beat 1 ghz 7970 aka common sense.
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:04:48 AM

hellfire24 said:
as i said earlier,the driver update and gigahertz edition has killed the overclocking potential of 7970.you will not experience the overclocking fun of a reference 7970 because it's already overclocked.it is proven that a 680>7970 and asus dcii 670 beats the 680 which means it also beats the 7970 and still has plenty of overclocking room left.
in simple words-
if you think that a 1GHz 7970 can beat a stock 670 than don't forget 670 has more overclocking potential and an overclocked 670 will beat 1 ghz7970 aka common sense.


the 1ghz silliness that AMD came up with aside, I believe a 7970 with 12.7 drivers can beat a 670 period

as for your logic, you're comparing a overclocked 670 with custom cooler etc to a stock 680 -_- the same can be said that the custom 680 phantom can beat the ASUS 670, and that the 7970 toxic can beat that 680... let's leave custom coolers etc out of this for now

EDIT: let me remind you that the benchmarks you posted earlier with the ASUS 670 directCU II has the 7970 beating the 670, both at STOCK
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:07:35 AM

^i am not 100% but history shows that nvidia has a better driver support than amd.
and one more thing,your believe has nothing to do with real world results.if it has than i am sure my potato can beat 690 quad SLi period.
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:09:04 AM

hellfire24 said:
^i am not 100% but history shows that nvidia has a better driver support than amd.
and one more thing,your believe has nothing to do with real world results.if it has than i am sure my potato can beat 690 quad SLi period.


well, my belief was proven by benchmarks you posted...
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:17:15 AM

vmem said:

as for your logic, you're comparing a overclocked 670 with custom cooler etc to a stock 680 -_- the same can be said that the custom 680 phantom can beat the ASUS 670, and that the 7970 toxic can beat that 680... let's leave custom coolers etc out of this for now

a custom cooled 6770 is $420,a custom cooled 7970 is $450+ and has less overclocking potential due to the 1Ghz silliness as you said.so why not bring in the whole thing including custom coolers and price tags.
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EDIT: let me remind you that the benchmarks you posted earlier with the ASUS 670 directCU II has the 7970 beating the 670, both at STOCK

$420 custom cooled 670 beats 7970 $430~ and that's the end of the story.

one more thing,Tom's hardware recommended Gigabyte GTX 670 is just $400-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you can overclock(that's why they have such modifications) this massive thing to beat a stock 680 for $100 less and a 7970 for roughly $30-$40 less.
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:20:44 AM

vmem said:
well, my belief was proven by benchmarks you posted...


allow me to prove you wrong :love:  -

and-

^the difference is negligible but both the cards are unable to run the game well.
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July 14, 2012 6:22:26 AM

copy paste from what the guy told me on overclock.net

since you are going multi monitor let me quote few review conclusions

hardwarecanucks

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

"While we may have seen this all before from other pre-overclocked HD 7970 cards, under no circumstance should you overlook the GHz Edition. Performance per watt has certainly taken a step in the right direction, AMD’s Boost works when it has to and pricing is actually quite fair considering its framerate advantage at higher detail settings. In our opinion and with all other things being equal, the HD 7970 GHz Edition is the card to have for ultra high resolution gaming".

pcper

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-...

"I found it pretty interesting how the performance differences played out. NVIDIA's GTX 680 seemed to win at the lower resolutions of 1680x1050 and 1920x1080 most of the time, but fell behind at 2560x1600 and 5760x1080 regularly. While the added frame buffer on the AMD cards might have helped that, I really think it is just a difference in how the architectures are designed. And even though most gamers are on 1080p or lower resolutions, I would assume that gamers looking to spend ~$500 for a graphics card are planning for bigger screens (or more of them). "

tomshardware

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-...

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AMD’s driver team deserves to take this weekend off. Its beta Catalyst 12.7 build does stellar things to the performance of several games in our benchmark suite. No longer is Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 670 faster than the Radeon HD 7970. And, in fact, these new drivers are largely responsible for the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition card outmaneuvering GeForce GTX 680 in most of the tests we ran."

anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...

"As an addendum to that however, while the 7970GE and GTX 680 are tied at 2560x1600 and other single-monitor resolutions the same cannot be said for multi-monitor configurations. The 7970GE and GTX 680 still trade blows on a game-by-game basis with Eyefinity/NVIDIA Surround, but there’s a clear 6% advantage on average for the 7970GE. Furthermore the 7970GE has 3GB of VRAM versus 2GB for the GTX 680, which makes the 7970GE all the better suited for multi-monitor gaming in the future. AMD may be tied for single-monitor gaming, but they have a clear winner on their hands for multi-monitor gaming."

Everybody knows a Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition is a HD 7970 at 1050 Mhz. And these comparisons are against GTX 680 (1006 core / 1058 - 1110) boost. So a GTX 670 is definitely not a comparison at all.
Edited by raghu78 - 6/26/12 at 7:04am
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:26:38 AM

Well, first of all, ALL current 7970s with custom coolers can overclock just fine, they don't have the power boost feature that prevents overclocking (people say its a bug)

I wanted to leave custom coolers out of it because not all of the ones on the current market are well reviewed, and it's hard to compare. There is a powercolor 7970 clocked at 1100mhz that should beat your asus 670 that is priced at $460. Unfortunately we can only extrapolate from stock performance as there isn't a stench mark showing a direct comparison...

Dude, just chill. judging by the OP's links he made a very well informed decision.
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:27:38 AM

@mrwil,thanks for the info,you just helped me to prove my point.as i said,you can't overclock the 1GHz 7970 well,a highly overclocked 670 will beat 1GHz 7970 for less.
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:30:25 AM

vmem said:
Well, first of all, ALL current 7970s with custom coolers can overclock just fine, they don't have the power boost feature that prevents overclocking (people say its a bug)

I wanted to leave custom coolers out of it because not all of the ones on the current market are well reviewed, and it's hard to compare. There is a powercolor 7970 clocked at 1100mhz that should beat your asus 670 that is priced at $460. Unfortunately we can only extrapolate from stock performance as there isn't a stench mark showing a direct comparison...

Dude, just chill. judging by the OP's links he made a very well informed decision.


first thing,asus DCII 670 is $420 NOT $460.it also beats the stock 7970 with it's factory clocks and still has plenty of overclocking room left to make the margin wider.
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:31:21 AM

@mrwil thanks for the clarifications!

@hellfire, you're a smart dude, but it's ok to be wrong. Admit it, don't try to twist the world around to prove that you are right... Have a good night
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:36:52 AM

vmem said:

@hellfire, you're a smart dude, but it's ok to be wrong. Admit it, don't try to twist the world around to prove that you are right... Have a good night


you cant show where your almighty 7970 is better then a 670.you can't show where 3GB is more futuproof,how the hell i am supposed to be wrong?
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:40:28 AM

hellfire24 said:
you cant show where your almighty 7970 is better then a 670.you can't show where 3GB is more futuproof,how the hell i am supposed to be wrong?


You are wrong for the application. Which is 3monitor, and sli/crossfire. It is always important to consider extra VRAM space for this situation. For instance if you could run triple 560ti or 6870, they can beat a 7970 or 670. But the 1gb of VRAM limitation will show on 3 monitors.

There, that's a different angle to look at it
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:43:08 AM

vmem said:
You are wrong for the application. Which is 3monitor, and sli/crossfire. It is always important to consider extra VRAM space for this situation. For instance if you could run triple 560ti or 6870, they can beat a 7970 or 670. But the 1gb of VRAM limitation will show on 3 monitors.

There, that's a different angle to look at it


there's only one thing i want to prove that gtx 670 is better than 7970 in overall value.if you don't trust me how about a poll?
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:48:43 AM

Hmm, check the third paragraph of the best answer the OP selected... I never disagreed with you that the 670 is top value for single monitor, I said I would recommend that card for single monitor any day
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:51:33 AM

^if you take a look at OP's first post,he said that he needs a cheap and capable gpu setup for 3 monitor setup.i have said that 670 SLi is the best option,i also posted a link where all details are given including vram usage.here it is-
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1625084&mpage=4
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 6:52:29 AM

hellfire24 said:
there's only one thing i want to prove that gtx 670 is better than 7970 in overall value.if you don't trust me how about a poll?


FYI you realize you've changed the debate question from the OP's original question that we were discussing right? It's what I meant before by you trying to twist the world around
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 7:02:28 AM

vmem said:
FYI you realize you've changed the debate question from the OP's original question that we were discussing right? It's what I meant before by you trying to twist the world around


i said 670 is better than 7970 in overall condition,i say it now and i will say it as many times you ask me to because it's true.at last i find that you are dumb enough for not understanding the difference.
just bring out the point where you think you are proving me wrong and i will give you my views.
here are some highlights-
1-670 stock>7970 stock(not the 1GHz thing)
2-670 overclocks better
3-670 runs cooler
4-670 consumes less power
5-670 is cheaper
6-SLi scales really well-


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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 7:07:12 AM

What did I tell you about 12.7 drivers being important again?

And fine, if you care so much, you win. 670 is better and you are smarter, I am tired of this argument
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2012 7:09:25 AM

^hey don't be offended.it's a discussion,i apologies for rude behavior.
but you gotta agree that in this case(BF3 on 3 monitors)the cheapest and the best way is 670 SLi.
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