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September 16, 2001 12:34:38 AM

if i had an ata100 drive i could plug it into an ata 66 port right? can i do the same for the new maxtor 160 gig drive, and plug it into an ata100 port?

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September 16, 2001 12:37:45 AM

Probably- but to be 100% honest, ATA133 doesn't seem all that impressive. Impressive is the new Ultra SCSI 3 hard drives! The transfer rates on those are unbeleivable!

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September 16, 2001 1:20:51 AM

No you cannot. The bios is currently limited to 137Gb. You will need an bios update, another controller, or some overlay utility to use the full capacity of the hard drive.
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September 16, 2001 4:42:03 PM

When Maxtor sells the ATA133 drives they are going to bundle the controller with the drive.

I think ATA133 is cool. I mean it may not be impressive for the speed, but that's the way we are going to get over the limitation of 137GB.

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September 16, 2001 9:44:39 PM

I wish they would release 10000RPM ATA133 Hard Drives!!!!!! Those would really give SCSI a run for its money.

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September 16, 2001 10:09:27 PM

Soon you will have your <A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/20741.html" target="_new">Maxtor </A>wish latter part of 2001.

My bad, they are already on the market.

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September 16, 2001 11:04:44 PM

Do you think it's worth waiting for the ATA 133 standard in RAID controllers? How long will it probably be?

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September 16, 2001 11:07:09 PM

aww, gee whiz. and here i am thinking i'm a pimp with my ata100 drives :/ 

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September 16, 2001 11:35:29 PM

It doesn't say anything about 10000RPM. If they don't release 10000RPM IDE Hard drives, then they should at least increase the hardware cache to 4 or even 8MB. That would help it maintain the 133MB/s burst rate for larger sized files. Most executables are within the 4-8MB range so lauching apps and loading games will be a lot faster with an 8MB cache.

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September 17, 2001 2:28:05 AM

Its just my speculation that ATA-133 RAID will probably hit the market sometime in 2002. Since the ATA-133 technology is still being refined I would wait if you really need the bandwidth, or don't wait and go SCSI :smile: . Anyway, here is a <A HREF="http://www.maxtor.com/products/fastdrive/whitepaper.htm" target="_new">white paper</A> on the ATA-133 technology if you care to know more detailed information.

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September 17, 2001 2:52:39 AM

From what I hear, a 10,000 rpm IDE HDD is in the works. However, no promises on which manufacturer will release the first, but when they do, most likely it will be ATA-133. A little info on <A HREF="http://www.makeitsimple.com/articles/hdguide/" target="_new">Rotation Per Minute</A> with hope of a 10,000 rpm IDE HDD.

I still say go SCSI :smile: .

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September 17, 2001 3:47:26 AM

ata 133 aint that impressive, specially as drives cant really top 40Gb/sec anyways.

but yes. 10K rpm IDE drives would be nice. very nice. prefer that over ata133 anyday.

and not everyone cares for the added complexity and COST of scsi.


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September 17, 2001 4:50:47 AM

I really don't know much about ATA-133 to convince anyone of whether it is benefical or not. Thanks for the comment though. The reason I like SCSI is for its easy connectivity, multitasking, and overall performance.

I know The ATA-100 is a sweet deal, but I am just very comfortable with SCSI, since I have 4 systems networked in my home (7 HDD) all SCSI.

Very easy to add-on new devices without configuration, Has its own BIOS, and Bus Mastering DMA, so less work for the CPU. Therfore, data transfer and multitasking works smooth, especially with Win2k.

At first look SCSI does seems complex, but its not really. I do agree that SCSI isn't cheap, but I have gotten my worth out of these with few problems and much pleasure.

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September 17, 2001 5:30:24 AM

two points:
i suppose with SCSI the initial outlay and learning curve are the main sticking points.
also over time some of the advantages of scsi have been watered down to a certain extent. scsi used to have the ultra fast & ultra high capacity drives. while they still are the speed crowns with 10k & 15k drives capacity wise they are behind IDE now.
'IDE really has taken big jumps, 4500rpm to 5400 to 7200 and hopefully soon to 10k. more reliability much reduced noise & heat.

as for ata-133... did anyone really see any real world difference when they moved from ata66?
i bet the difference was minimal. much a law of diminishing returns.
10K rpm drives will do much more for performance of IDE than ata133 will ever do. back to basics really. whats the slowest thing about a drive? seek times and sustained data rates. how do u improve that? spin faster, have higher density platters and more cache.

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September 17, 2001 12:23:36 PM

Your points well taken. I agree that IDE has made remarkable strides in performance, as well as reduced heat and noise, but for now SCSI has become a big part of my life since I have so many of them. Once the 10,000 rpm ATA HDD's hit the market I may become a convert :smile: .

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September 17, 2001 5:29:30 PM

capacity wise they are behind ide? what do you mean. price/MB, but not overall. there are no ide drives larger than 180GB i believe.

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September 18, 2001 1:07:02 AM

Highpoint has already developed a 4 channel ATA133 RAID controller.

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/

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September 18, 2001 3:24:02 AM

Do you guys think we'll hear anything conclusive about 10K RPM IDE hDD's within a month? However, one must realize that their price will be substancially higher, as larger cache and RPM means that they will cost nearly as much as SCSI

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September 18, 2001 11:52:41 AM

I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't buy a High-point controller or anything with that chipset if they paid me to. Too many problems in the past with them! Promise is making one too, so I'm going with them. That's who's making the card for Maxtor!

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September 18, 2001 12:23:22 PM

Yeah, but who needs SCSI if you've got a 10000RPM ATA133 Hard Drive with 8MB cache? That thing should satisfy all but the most demanding video editing freaks.

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September 18, 2001 1:30:31 PM

Keep in mind that this isn't Serial ATA. From the looks of it, it uses a 40pin connector. They aren't releasing the Serial ATA for another year or so ...

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September 18, 2001 8:50:04 PM

I belive serial will be out first quarter of 2002 from what I've heard. Waiting till then to get my RAID setup. Should be sweet

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