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A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz or FX-4300 Quad-Core 3.8GHz

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January 16, 2013 5:26:04 PM

Hello i need to know which cpu will be better for a custom build. i will be using a graphics card and i know that trinity is a apu and could be cross fired with the grapics card. But which is better for gaming and other tasks.
January 16, 2013 5:35:25 PM

frogsot said:
Hello i need to know which cpu will be better for a custom build. i will be using a graphics card and i know that trinity is a apu and could be cross fired with the grapics card. But which is better for gaming and other tasks.


fx 4300 is alot better, trinity is just a average cpu and average gpu. no point in getting one for a real builder. 4300 is better for gaming and video editing by a good amount. get the 4300 for sure
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January 16, 2013 5:39:45 PM

can you recommend a board for use this to its limit? as well as when i need to upgrade? hopefully one under or around 100
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January 16, 2013 5:57:34 PM

frogsot said:
can you recommend a board for use this to its limit? as well as when i need to upgrade? hopefully one under or around 100


yes get the asus M5A97 non evo version. it cost around $95 dollars. full atx size motherboard. 8 pin motherboard mobo connecter for better overclocking, supports 1866 mhz ram nativley and any speed below that, 4 dimm slots, all sata 6gb connectors, am3+ ready, any new processor from amd will work with it. i bought mine from www.newegg.ca
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January 16, 2013 6:39:00 PM

it is cross fired so i will consider this board thank you for your help. what is evo?
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January 16, 2013 6:49:26 PM

i was llooking for prices for the 4300 and fond theres another one thats cheaper and seems to be better. its the fx 4170. how do the two compare?
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January 16, 2013 7:03:54 PM

frogsot said:
i was llooking for prices for the 4300 and fond theres another one thats cheaper and seems to be better. its the fx 4170. how do the two compare?


the 4170 is not better, you really need to research instructions per clock, new and old amd cpus, whats faster of them and make a pick. but ill answer you now. GET the fx 4300 lol ull be happy you took my word for it. fx 4100, 4170 is old. slower technowlegy, slower for gaming, and slower for vide editing. a good question is why are the crappy cpus like the 4170 still being sold for around the same price as the 4300? i seriously dont know. the 4300 should be atleast 30 dollar more expensive but its not. so dont let that fool you. if people will still buy older cpus that are worse like the 4170 then theyll keep selling them. just dont get screwed over here and make the right choice the 4300 is superior in every way, even tho it has a lower clock speed the 4300 is still faster then the 4170. then you can overclock the 4300 and it will be EVEN more better.
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January 16, 2013 7:28:52 PM

alright thank you. now all i need to do is pick a gc and psu i may as well ask if you could recommend a graphics card under or around 100 il find the psu my self. right now im looking at this card VisionTek 900447 Radeon HD 6770 i absolutely need to have 2 dvi ports unless i can have 2 cards crossfired and use both thier ports?
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January 16, 2013 7:39:09 PM

i really dont need 6 cores and its not that much better and it cost more
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January 16, 2013 7:52:06 PM

frogsot said:
alright thank you. now all i need to do is pick a gc and psu i may as well ask if you could recommend a graphics card under or around 100 il find the psu my self. right now im looking at this card VisionTek 900447 Radeon HD 6770 i absolutely need to have 2 dvi ports unless i can have 2 cards crossfired and use both thier ports?


its an ok card, i would go with the radeon 7770, very good card for a cheap price. check out the XFX models they are great quality and alot of there cards also have a lifetime warranty
heres the one i would get if i were in your shoes

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

lifetime warranty to
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January 16, 2013 7:54:24 PM

frogsot said:
i really dont need 6 cores and its not that much better and it cost more


The 6 cores does seem to increase performance a bit, and the price difference is only 7,692%.

In some cases the performance difference is 8,475%.

I'd say it's a fair trade. But it's your call. Hope you get happy with the FX 4300. :) 
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January 16, 2013 7:56:38 PM

diablo34life said:
its an ok card, i would go with the radeon 7770, very good card for a cheap price. check out the XFX models they are great quality and alot of there cards also have a lifetime warranty
heres the one i would get if i were in your shoes

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

lifetime warranty to


Radeon 7770 is priced similar to GTX 650 ti

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/3233/19/nvidia-geforce-...

GTX 650 ti beats it by a margin, so if he would spend more on the GPU then the GTX 650 ti would be the best option.
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January 16, 2013 8:14:34 PM

diablo34life said:
its an ok card, i would go with the radeon 7770, very good card for a cheap price. check out the XFX models they are great quality and alot of there cards also have a lifetime warranty
heres the one i would get if i were in your shoes

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

lifetime warranty to


the board you recommended does not have a 3.0 pic slot for the gc does this make a big difference?
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January 16, 2013 8:19:30 PM

frogsot said:
the board you recommended does not have a 3.0 pic slot for the gc does this make a big difference?


Not really, but you can't get an AMD MOBO with 3.0, because AMD didn't update their socket in 2012,.

The PCI-E 3.0 supports 2 times the memory bandwidth as the PCI-E 2.0 does. GPUs like Radeon 7970 might see a difference of 0-1% in terms of performance. Nothing noticable.
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January 16, 2013 8:25:54 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
Not really, but you can't get an AMD MOBO with 3.0, because AMD didn't update their socket in 2012,.

The PCI-E 3.0 supports 2 times the memory bandwidth as the PCI-E 2.0 does. GPUs like Radeon 7970 might see a difference of 0-1% in terms of performance. Nothing noticable.


hey also the gc he recomened me does the card cross fire using a y connector or a internal cord? if its the y then wouldent that be less efficient?
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January 16, 2013 8:28:38 PM

PCI 3.0 would make no difference at all.

The 7770 doesn't even come close to being limited by the bandwidth of PCI 2.0 - I don't think any single card does except maybe some VERY high end ones.

Only when you have 2 or more high end cards in Crossfire/SLI do you need to worry about PCI 3.0
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January 16, 2013 8:33:18 PM

frogsot said:
hey also the gc he recomened me does the card cross fire using a y connector or a internal cord? if its the y then wouldent that be less efficient?


I'm not sure of the connecter.

Only the slot you put it in will affect the performance.

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January 16, 2013 9:05:47 PM

frogsot said:
hey also the gc he recomened me does the card cross fire using a y connector or a internal cord? if its the y then wouldent that be less efficient?


dont worry aboput pcie 3.0 wont make a difference. it was created first by intel for a new feature to sell products. pcie 2.1 is perfectly fine u wont lose performance. in the future yeeeaaars down the road pci 3.0 may make a difference. but with the graphics card i recommened it will work pefectly in a 2.1 pci slot. also you can buy 2 of the cards and crossfire them for about double the performance. also amd has no motherboards out with pcie 3.0 there is no need for it atm.
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January 17, 2013 12:09:33 AM

hey can i use half a 8 pin cpu power cord for a 4 pin cpu port?
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January 17, 2013 12:14:37 AM

diablo34life said:
fx 4300 is alot better, trinity is just a average cpu and average gpu. no point in getting one for a real builder. 4300 is better for gaming and video editing by a good amount. get the 4300 for sure

lol this one is funny.
The fx-4300 is NOT better than A10-5800k. they are pretty much the same in performance
id actually go with the A10 for the sole reason that should ever your graphics card goes bad in the meantime you could always use the built in powerful graphics of the A10. besides the FM2 is a better platform than AM3+. so id say get the A10 and an A75 or A85 mobo
as for graphics card a radeon 7770 is the best card for around $120
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January 17, 2013 1:06:56 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
The 6 cores does seem to increase performance a bit, and the price difference is only 7,692%.



Price difference is seven thousand, six hundred, ninety two, dollars. Really? :( 


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In some cases the performance difference is 8,475%.


Performance is eight thousand percent better? :heink: 
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January 17, 2013 1:08:24 AM

frogsot said:
hey can i use half a 8 pin cpu power cord for a 4 pin cpu port?


Yes you can.

The 8 pin CPU plug on the PSU should separate into a 4 pin for boards the use 4 pin.
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January 17, 2013 2:48:57 AM

mohit9206 said:
lol this one is funny.
The fx-4300 is NOT better than A10-5800k. they are pretty much the same in performance
id actually go with the A10 for the sole reason that should ever your graphics card goes bad in the meantime you could always use the built in powerful graphics of the A10. besides the FM2 is a better platform than AM3+. so id say get the A10 and an A75 or A85 mobo
as for graphics card a radeon 7770 is the best card for around $120


uh ya ur wrong the 4300 IS better then the 5800k, the 5800k doesnt have any L3 cahce at all, the floating point and other resources are stronger to. so dont try to correct people unless you know what your talking about. 4300 is deffintley the better processor. dont get the fm2 motherboard either because steamroller which is amds next gen cpu wont work with it, its only for am3+
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January 17, 2013 5:09:25 AM

While a A-Series is well versed and flexible even with changing between discrete and integrated, you will get a bit more peformance leverage out of the FX4300 which often beats out a FX8150 so from that point I say the fX4300 but I am a massive fan of the APU's and they deliver impressive peformance to go with a very feature rich platform.

If you get a APU id look at a A8 5600K + Asrock A85 Extreme 6 + DDR3 2133(minimum) maybe a HD7850 so you don't over do the GPU selection. It will offer you a fantastic platform with plenty connectivity and features along with high end bells and whistles.

The other would be a FX4300/6300 on a MSI 990FX GD65 with a HD7870, wont be busting the bank and will get very good performance.
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January 17, 2013 5:24:34 AM

sarinaide said:
While a A-Series is well versed and flexible even with changing between discrete and integrated, you will get a bit more peformance leverage out of the FX4300 which often beats out a FX8150 so from that point I say the fX4300 but I am a massive fan of the APU's and they deliver impressive peformance to go with a very feature rich platform.

If you get a APU id look at a A8 5600K + Asrock A85 Extreme 6 + DDR3 2133(minimum) maybe a HD7850 so you don't over do the GPU selection. It will offer you a fantastic platform with plenty connectivity and features along with high end bells and whistles.

The other would be a FX4300/6300 on a MSI 990FX GD65 with a HD7870, wont be busting the bank and will get very good performance.


there would be no point in going apu, you cant comine the IGP from the apu with the 7850 or with any graphics card, socket fm2 is a abd buy. after am3+ however amd will deffintley have socket fm3 or fm4 for there performance spectrum
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January 17, 2013 5:57:05 AM

5800K is a 4300 without the L3 cache and with an IGP. they are otherwise identical dual piledriver modules.
a comparison between them: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=675
you can use AMD dual graphics with only selected discreet cards as specified here: http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/dual-graphi...

there could be as much as about 20% loss in performance due to lack of L3 cache as illustrated by the comparison. however, for a fluid gaming experience only the minimum fps matters and that in my opinion should never go under 30 fps.

4300 will benefit you
good luck
-satyam
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January 17, 2013 5:57:56 AM

FALC0N said:
Price difference is seven thousand, six hundred, ninety two, dollars. Really? :( 


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In some cases the performance difference is 8,475%.


Performance is eight thousand percent better? :heink: 


It's in %, and it is 7% and 8%. You really need to study your math.
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January 17, 2013 6:15:36 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
It's in %, and it is 7% and 8%. You really need to study your math.

confusion between the commonwealth and European way of depicting the decimal system. (. vs ,)
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January 17, 2013 8:43:07 AM

better performance or not id definately take the A10 over the 4300 any day. but thats just my opinion.
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January 17, 2013 10:28:52 AM

Best answer selected by frogsot.
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January 17, 2013 12:28:03 PM

diablo34life said:
there would be no point in going apu, you cant comine the IGP from the apu with the 7850 or with any graphics card, socket fm2 is a abd buy. after am3+ however amd will deffintley have socket fm3 or fm4 for there performance spectrum


I didn't say anything about combining it, I am very well aware of how a APU works and I am very well aware that IGPU to discrete performanc the APU is very capable of matching i3's and older Phenom II x4 results despite the absence of L3 cache.
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May 18, 2013 4:57:30 PM

i just built an A-10 Trinity rig, and it screams. i run at 4.4ghz with the i gpu at 1050mhz and spank the hell out of my friends fx-4300 rig with a hd7750

my specs

a-10 @ 4.4 ghz (1.45 volts)
8 gb ripjaw (4G X 2) @ 2400mhz
7760d igpu @ 1050mhz (1.375 volts)

all built for 375$

granted the case was not included but still... the fx4300 and am3+ mobo and psu will cost u that... and fm2 is gonna be the wave of the future im betting cuz its cheaper to make all of the components on die which makes the mobo considerably cheaper as well.
and as far as benchmarks go, the a-10 at stock speeds is on the heels of intels i 5 while destroying intels graphics without question even from intel fanboys.... just something to think about.

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