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GTX680 vs GTX670? Starting to doubt the 680

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July 15, 2012 3:13:36 AM

I currently bought a GTX680, and i am hearing things where the GTX670's performace is hitting higher than the 680. I've overclocked the card to 1234 (something around 12xx)MHz, and 670 can reach 1300+? I dont know how to over-voltage the card, and dont want to break it. What's your guys opinions on both cards. Was the extra $100 really nesessary?
a b U Graphics card
July 15, 2012 3:59:55 AM

In my opinion, it's not when my EVGA GTX 670 FTW beats a reference GTX 680 out the box in most games. The only small advantage the GTX 680's have is all the SMX clusters in use vs the GTX 670 having one disabled. Also the EVGA 670 FTW has 8 phase VRM allowing higher OC's over reference having 4. The FTW 670 uses the 680 PCB and reference cooler making it about 5-10% cooler than reference 670's. With a waterblock (680 waterblocks fit this card because of the 680 PCB.) You should OC beyond than reference 680's and it would not surprise me if they find a why to flash this GPU to a 680 because a member of another forum (I have to find that thread) pointed out the the 670 FTW PCB is the same sku or such as the 680's from EVGA meaning that it was not laser cut to disable the 8th SMX cluster. For $400 after $10 rebate, this card is a steal and makes buying a 680 a bit pointless.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Review on this card beating a 680 in BF3 out the box for $100 less.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/40613-evga-gefor...
July 15, 2012 4:35:31 AM

but i mean paying $600CAD for this there has to be something in there that's impressive about the card verses the small brother thats on steroids. I guess the drivers will tell a different story in the future???
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July 15, 2012 4:50:59 AM

For some reason where i live the 670 is 2/3 the price of the 680. So i'm just buying 2 670's and SLI'ing them at 120% of the price of the 680 :D 
a b U Graphics card
July 15, 2012 6:16:03 AM

mogen1000 said:
but i mean paying $600CAD for this there has to be something in there that's impressive about the card verses the small brother thats on steroids. I guess the drivers will tell a different story in the future???

Not really, maybe a small boost because the future drivers would only improve the 670 as well making future drivers a moot point.
July 15, 2012 6:25:22 AM

670 is more common for one sole reason. The 680s that didnt make the cut were rebranded as the 670 (both are based on the same gk104 chip, remember? :)  ).

The 670 is a disabled partial functioning 680. With only a performance downgrade of 6% to 7%, the 670 is of much much better value!!

And the best balanced 670 out there is the Gigabyte Windforce edition 670 that is for US$399.
a c 187 U Graphics card
July 15, 2012 6:30:33 AM

i think what happened was ati was killing nvidia on both ends of the video card war..they had the fastest cards in the 7000 line and the older 6000 cards hard the low end. they rushed the 600 cards out the door before they were ready. now the 660 line is going to be faster then the 580 at 300 price point. if i was nvidia i would drop the 690 price down...and for the money redo the 680 to make it a lot more faster then the 670. if they cant i would sell the full 680 chip as the 670ti. and put it at the 670 price point and move the 670 down by 25-50 dollars. they would make there money up in volume.
July 15, 2012 6:35:19 AM

smorizio said:
i think what happened was ati was killing nvidia on both ends of the video card war..they had the fastest cards in the 7000 line and the older 6000 cards hard the low end. they rushed the 600 cards out the door before they were ready. now the 660 line is going to be faster then the 580 at 300 price point. if i was nvidia i would drop the 690 price down...and for the money redo the 680 to make it a lot more faster then the 670. if they cant i would sell the full 680 chip as the 670ti. and put it at the 670 price point and move the 670 down by 25-50 dollars. they would make there money up in volume.


Not Bad, but nvidia's probably not gonna do tht B)
July 15, 2012 1:35:56 PM

lol if a 690 is +100$ of a GTX680 im selling that cake
a c 212 U Graphics card
July 15, 2012 3:09:16 PM

Slight correction......the non-reference factory overclocked 670's are beating the reference 680's. The Asus TOP 670 is clearly the best of the bunch reaching numbers I have yet to see matched (1280 Boost Clcok. On top (pun intended), it received the 1st ever perfect 10.0 score from Techpowerup. Simply put, it's a vast improvement over the reference cards.

Keep in mind however that not all non-reference cards are created equal. Some manufacturer's just slap on a new label and maybe a slightly improved cooler and call it a day. Others use heavily modified PCB's, large and more efficient VRM's, improved voltage regulation circuitry and software, backplates, specially binned GPU's, significantly more efficient and quieter coolers. The latter is where ya wanna be.

Asus 670 TOP - Techpowerup score of 10.0 (Max Boost Clock OC'd = 1189)
Modest OC applied (no voltage bump) but read the link below for full description on non-reference improvements
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

Gigabyte 670 WF - Techpowerup score of 9.8 (Max Boost Clock OC'd = 1139)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA SC Boost Clock is 1046 outta the box....stable at 1200 Mhz
EVGA SC gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
Asus TOP Boost Clock is 1137 outta the box .... stable at 1280 Mhz
Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus 7% faster outta the box than the EVGA SC, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level). The FTW is slightly faster than the SC, leaving the Asus model w/ just a 5% performance advantage.

Even when clocked slower, the TOP edges out the FTW

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/40613-evga-gefor...

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Despite being overclocked slightly higher, the EVGA GTX 670 FTW loses out to ASUS's GTX 670 DirectCU II TOP. The reason for this is ASUS's impressive dual-fan cooler; it allows the core to keep sufficiently cool, which in turn enables NVIDIA's integrated GPU Boost technology to kick in and eke out that extra ounce of performance.


The problem, sitting so pretty at the top, the cards take a great deal of "sniping" to grab....be prepared to hit newegg at odd hours to snag one. The newegg feedback keeps showing new "verified owners" so peeps are grabbing them.....just looking now, I see Jerome reports a 1350 Mhz Boost clock at 6/28/2012


a c 212 U Graphics card
July 15, 2012 4:04:37 PM

smorizio said:
i think what happened was ati was killing nvidia on both ends of the video card war..they had the fastest cards in the 7000 line and the older 6000 cards hard the low end. they rushed the 600 cards out the door before they were ready. now the 660 line is going to be faster then the 580 at 300 price point. if i was nvidia i would drop the 690 price down...and for the money redo the 680 to make it a lot more faster then the 670. if they cant i would sell the full 680 chip as the 670ti. and put it at the 670 price point and move the 670 down by 25-50 dollars. they would make there money up in volume.


I'm not seeing anything to support this "killing", at least at the high end. AMD certainly kills below the $200 price point but above it, AMD hasn't really contended in quite a while......at least while nVidia has had a contender on the market. AMD has been quicker to market the last two rounds and while it certainly gave them an edge in early sales, that early lead quickly evaporated.

The 560 sold more units than all AMD cards > $200 combined (source: what's hitting steam servers and reported in their hardware surveys). The real kick came from the non reference cards ..... non reference 560 Ti's in SLI were outbenching the 6970's in CF and the SLI'd 560's were 40% faster than a single 580 at 80% of the single 580's price. With many enthusiasts who previously would have bought the 580, putting $100 back in their pocket and getting two 560's instead, sales git a real nice bump.

As for the 600 series.....it's believed by many that what we see labeled as the 670 and 680 was originally scheduled to be the 650 and 660. The 670 essentially "carpet bombed" the GFX card market by matching the 7970's and almost matching 680's performance at a substantially lower price point.

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/grap...

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So, here's the bottom line. The GTX 680 is not a high end GPU. But it's being sold for the price of a high end GPU and that very likely makes it hugely profitable. Somewhere deep inside Nvidia's labs, there's another, much larger and more powerful GeForce 600 Series GPU.


http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/26

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GK104 is the name of the 28 nm build chip that is based on Kepler, and dare I say it? It was never intended to be the high-end product. For that NVIDIA would have named it GK110, personally I still think the GK110 will see the light at a later stage in time, likely end of the year.....So with all that said it's time to wrap up the review and dive into the conclusion. We certainly like the GeForce GTX 680, it is quite amazing what NVIDIA is able to do with the GK104 which we still think was intended to be the mid-range chip.


Again, on the other hand, AMD has certainly owned the below $200 market in recent years and, if rumor hold regarding the 660 being the last of the 600 series, that will extend up to the $300 price point.
July 15, 2012 4:31:20 PM

Good read. Thanks for the detailed outlook you gave us. :) 
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