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September 3, 2012 12:02:44 AM

Hello, So i've decided to build myself a gaming PC (this is my first build) and so far i have the following things on the list;

AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz Black Edition 125W Processor http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/282731/AMD-Phenom-II-X...
GEIL 8 GB DDR3-1333 PC3 http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/820800/GEIL-8-GB-DDR3-...
ASROCK M3N78D - Socket AM3 - Chipset 720D - ATX http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/666906/ASROCK-M3N78D--...
ADVANCE TX-750W PC Tower Supply http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/808281/ADVANCE-TX-750W...
ADVANCE Hunter X PC Tower Case In White With Red LED http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/868766/ADVANCE-Hunter-...
SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 7770 Edition OC - 1 GB GDDR5 http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/854399/SAPPHIRE-TECHNO...

Now all this comes to my budget of £315 and as im new to building im nervous about doing it one reason why im nervous is that some people were telling me that the GPU i have chosen requires a 1X75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector and i dont understand at all what that is so if someone could maybe tell me I'd be thankful, also I'd like to know if all parts are compatible with each other and if the motherboard would fit in the case and the last thing is, im using the Harddrive from my old computer which is a Seagate 160gb ATA (SATA) and wondered if i could just push that in and connect it up and I'd be fine ?

Thanks for reading any help would be appreciated.
September 3, 2012 1:32:15 PM

allanitomwesh said:
A better psu. http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/686084/Antec-EarthWatt...
A better case http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/690150/Antec-One
A six pin connector is standard for powerful graphics cards. You shouldn't encounter problems,it doesn't have the less common 8pin connector, if you have a good certified psu like the one I've suggested.


Thanks for the reply but what do you think of this ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=14...
and that PSU comes over my budget quite a bit, may i ask whats wrong with the one i linked ?
Thanks
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September 3, 2012 2:25:45 PM

Vandor said:
Thanks for the reply but what do you think of this ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=14...
and that PSU comes over my budget quite a bit, may i ask whats wrong with the one i linked ?
Thanks


That is the same CPU and case I have, however if you plan on adding an aftermarket cooler such as the Hyper 212 + or Evo look for another case because that won't fit it, but if you're going to stay with stock heatsink it's fine (just to let you know, the stock heatsink on the processors is very loud)

Also try not to cheap out on the power supply since that is one of the most important parts, if its dodgy it can take all the components with it.
September 3, 2012 2:36:26 PM

BuddiLuva said:
That is the same CPU and case I have, however if you plan on adding an aftermarket cooler such as the Hyper 212 + or Evo look for another case because that won't fit it, but if you're going to stay with stock heatsink it's fine (just to let you know, the stock heatsink on the processors is very loud)

Also try not to cheap out on the power supply since that is one of the most important parts, if its dodgy it can take all the components with it.


I dont really mind if its loud and yes im just using the stock heatsink and can i ask, Does the processor and heatsink/cpu cooler comes with the thermal paste already one it or do i have to buy some.
Thanks
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 3, 2012 2:43:38 PM

Not to shoot down your choice,but the case claims way too many features for it's price. It'll work sure,but I'd rather you get a case of high quality from a reputable case manufacturer or even a PC manufacturer like Asus. At less than £70 you want to stay away from flashy lights,in my opinion,something else always suffers to put the lights and keep the price low. Take a look at this instead http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-haf-912-plu...
You'll notice your choice of psu has very few connections. That's a sign of it's low efficiency. Even though it's 750w it'll probably give you 60% of that so I'd say it's a 400w psu at best. The antec is 80+ bronze so it'll give you 380w thereabouts continuous power,plenty for your card. The difference is,the advance psu will be struggling and noisy to achieve the same(if it does).
September 3, 2012 3:01:28 PM

allanitomwesh said:
Not to shoot down your choice,but the case claims way too many features for it's price. It'll work sure,but I'd rather you get a case of high quality from a reputable case manufacturer or even a PC manufacturer like Asus. At less than £70 you want to stay away from flashy lights,in my opinion,something else always suffers to put the lights and keep the price low. Take a look at this instead http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-haf-912-plu...
You'll notice your choice of psu has very few connections. That's a sign of it's low efficiency. Even though it's 750w it'll probably give you 60% of that so I'd say it's a 400w psu at best. The antec is 80+ bronze so it'll give you 380w thereabouts continuous power,plenty for your card. The difference is,the advance psu will be struggling and noisy to achieve the same(if it does).


ah ok thanks for the info, my budget is around £300-320 so getting that case without a PSU is way to over my budget :(  Is there any case you could link me thats a little cheaper and therefore i could spend a little more on the PSU, so far without a Case and PSU the total of my build comes to £242.37 so i've only got around £70 to get both a case and PSU i do like the other case you linked me earlier but thats means i only have £30 to spend on a PSU, do you think i should get another graphics card so maybe then i could spend more on the PSU ?
Thanks again
a b B Homebuilt system
September 3, 2012 3:49:51 PM

I'm from the US not the UK. However, I've built a couple of builds with this case.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VL80001W2Z-Thermaltake-V3-Bla...

That case will likely not be as good as a HAF 912, but it is a solid budget case, relatively easy to build in, most of the standoffs are actually built into the case, so you only have to install a couple of standoffs. There is a piece in the bottom that you need to remove to install a power supply, but it's like 1 screw literally. I've used them in 2-3 builds at least, always seemed to go together easily, and has some flexibility to add cooling.

If you can swing it, consider an AM3+ board so that you can upgrade to Bulldozer/Piledriver later.

In all honesty though dude, if you are on a tight budget, I'd rather see you get a cheaper case than what you or I picked out, get a better power supply, your build will thank you.
September 3, 2012 4:01:39 PM

I've also being looking for cases and have found this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dominator-Black-PC-Computer-M... If i do get this one it leaves me enough money to get this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aerocool-Strike-X-500W-80-Bro... What do you guys think of those two ? Also i found a cheaper graphics card here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XFX-Radeon-HD6790-HD-679X-ZHF...

If you guys can suggest any other things that can save me money i would really appreciate it, im grateful for all your replies :) 
September 3, 2012 5:12:30 PM



Unfortantly i come around £20 out of budget :(  but i was looking at the XFX Radeon HD6790 and saw it needed 'External Power - 6-Pins:2' So i looked at this psu here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-850W-ATX-Quad-Rail-PC-Gam... and found out it had the 2 pins, So what do you think of that PSU ?
September 4, 2012 2:57:18 AM



Thanks again but it still comes a few £££ over my budget (my budgets really tight :(  ) But whats wrong with the PSU i picked ? i'd rather have a psu that has the 2x 6 pin connectors already attached, so far i found the following

AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz Black Edition 125W Processor http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/282731/AMD-Phenom-II-X...
GEIL 8 GB DDR3-1333 PC3 http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/820800/GEIL-8-GB-DDR3-...
ASROCK M3N78D - Socket AM3 - Chipset 720D - ATX http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/666906/ASROCK-M3N78D--...
XFX HD 6850 1GB DDR5 VGA DVI HDMI PCI-E Graphics Card http://www.ebuyer.com/product/391772
Casecom K5-9388 Black Case with Blue LED 120mm Front Fan http://www.ebuyer.com/product/239238
850W ATX Quad Rail PC Gaming Power Supply Unit 850 Watt PSU With 2 x PCI-E http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-850W-ATX-Quad-Rail-PC-Gam...

That comes to exactly my budget of £296 (with 80pence to spare)

Now because this is my first build im extremely worried about parts not working with each other etc so i have a lot of questions i would like to ask (i know i could read it up on Google but I'd feel more comfortable if a person told me.

Are all parts compatible ?
Will the motherboard just fit into the case and then i can just screw it in?
On the PSU i chosen it says it has 2 PCI express 6 pins, Do i just plug them into the Graphics card i chosen and then it should work ?
Will my 5.25inch Optical Drive fit into one of the drive slots ?
will my 3.5inch 160gb Seagate Harddrive ATA(Sata) fit into the case slots and will this be compatible with the PSU and Motherboard?
Do all the things i have bought come with the leads ?
Will i need to buy any leads for parts ?
Does the processor i bought come with the Thermal paste already on the Heatsink and CPU cooler or do i need to buy some Thermal paste?
the Case i chosen comes with 1 Fan, Do i connect them to the motherboard if so does the motherboard i chosen have these slots for the fans ?
the hard drive i have is taken out of an old computer, do i have to format it before putting it into my new one ?

Thanks for all the reply's i really appreciate it :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
September 4, 2012 4:31:23 AM

With the PSU you picked, the PSU you picked seems to be an off brand. Not saying it will, but if your PSU goes out, you could take your build out also.

The case looks ok, I'd rather if it were me to get a good power supply and cheap case. Thermal paste, a lot of amd chips stock cooler comes with a little paste on it.

1. Typically parts are almost all standardized when you build to be compatible.
2. Motherboard should fit fine, you will need to install brass standoffs, though it appears the case you picked may have some standoffs built onto the motherboard tray.
3. PSU, graphics card should plug into mainboard, then the power supply should have power connectors that plug into the graphics card.
4. 5.25 drive should fit into one of the top bays.
5. Hard drive will fit in a bottom bay fine.
6. Everything should have the connections you need.
7. Motherboard many times will have plug ins for fans, a lot of times you can buy fans that use 4 pin molex connectors to plug directly into you power supply.
8. It's advisable to format the drive when you go to load windows, otherwise you will probably get a lot errors.
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 4, 2012 4:35:51 AM

Well,
Yes,the motherboard will fit,if it'll align completely, I can't guarantee with that case.Also,use the AM3+ board instead.
Yes,it's just a plug in procedure, install the card first to the motherboard though. Power comes last.
Yes,the DVD drive will fit if it's standard size. With that case again,can't rule out vibration,or screw holes being off abit .
Harddisk will fit,this case has space for 5. Use the lowest slot for better cooling.
Yes, everything comes with it's cables and screws.
Thermal paste is already applied,you'll be okay.
Yes, fans go either to the motherboard or power supply depending on the cable they come with. Motherboard manual will point it out.
Yes,format it first,to avoid issues.

Again,on what is wrong with your psu ... it claims quad rails,which is a blatant lie. It would have to be exorbitantly priced for the features it claims,and at least gold certified like so http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
all your parts will work... but will they work well?That should concern you.
September 4, 2012 4:43:01 AM

Thanks you guys that's really boosted my confidence, atleast i know all my answers to the questions now ! :) 
So all my build is fine except the PSU and case ? Well i've being looking around and found this case http://www.ebuyer.com/product/233740 and i've found what looks like a perfect PSU for me, it has the 2 connectors and its 80+ bronze http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Powercool-GT-700W-SLI-Gaming-... and again thanks for taking your time you guys to help me, really does mean alot !
a b B Homebuilt system
September 4, 2012 4:54:09 AM

Like coolermaster, very high quality stuff. Honestly think you would be ok with the casecom case as it states it will support atx and micro atx boards. But, I don't know the brand, so don't have personal experience with casecom. As for coolermaster, any of their stuff I've used is great.

For power supply, not a fan of the other one either. The big brands are cosair, antec, ocz, seasonic. I've used coolermaster power supplies and have yet to have trouble with any.

For PSU, dont think I'd go with anything smaller than this one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cooler-master-550Watts-GX-Pow...

Other thing I like about this PSU, is it's a better brand than the one you picked above, plus if you look it's going to be better I think. If you look at the power ratings of the one you picked, it shows 2 12 volt rails at 22 amps each. The coolermaster I think is 44 amps on a single 12 volt rail, which shows you how much more efficient it is, because it's listed as only 550 watts vs the other is supposed to be 700 watts.
September 4, 2012 5:07:26 AM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
Like coolermaster, very high quality stuff. Honestly think you would be ok with the casecom case as it states it will support atx and micro atx boards. But, I don't know the brand, so don't have personal experience with casecom. As for coolermaster, any of their stuff I've used is great.

For power supply, not a fan of the other one either. The big brands are cosair, antec, ocz, seasonic. I've used coolermaster power supplies and have yet to have trouble with any.

For PSU, dont think I'd go with anything smaller than this one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cooler-master-550Watts-GX-Pow...

Other thing I like about this PSU, is it's a better brand than the one you picked above, plus if you look it's going to be better I think. If you look at the power ratings of the one you picked, it shows 2 12 volt rails at 22 amps each. The coolermaster I think is 44 amps on a single 12 volt rail, which shows you how much more efficient it is, because it's listed as only 550 watts vs the other is supposed to be 700 watts.


Well unfortantly thats the maxium my budget will go so i dont think i can get a better PSU for the money i have but i guess i'll have to make do until a few more months also I'd like to ask because the PSU i want has a 20+4pin connector this will fit into the motherboard 24pin slot right ? stupid question i know but i like to make sure :)  and because i dont have the money for an OS yet can i download an ISO here http://techdows.com/2011/07/download-windows-7-integrat... burn it to disc and have the 30 day trial ?
Thanks again
September 4, 2012 5:25:40 AM

allanitomwesh said:
Good case,solid. Go with the cooler master.
Powercool you definitely want to avoid.
Here's a good psu. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/430w-corsair-builder-ser...


Hey, would you mind finding me a psu with the 2x 6 PCI power connectors already in it ? just so im less confused when building it
Thanks
a b B Homebuilt system
September 4, 2012 5:33:11 AM

Cosair is good on PSU's, but the one above is only 28 amps on the 12 volt rail. I would be comfortable with the coolermaster I listed in my own system. If you had to, I'd get the casecom case you listed to make budget. It's not that the cosair cx 430 is a bad power supply, but I think with those power ratings you would be pushing a little too close. With your components I would not be comfortable personally. I think minimum on corsair side, I'd want the cx500 preferably cx600.
September 4, 2012 5:54:07 AM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
Cosair is good on PSU's, but the one above is only 28 amps on the 12 volt rail. I would be comfortable with the coolermaster I listed in my own system. If you had to, I'd get the casecom case you listed to make budget. It's not that the cosair cx 430 is a bad power supply, but I think with those power ratings you would be pushing a little too close. With your components I would not be comfortable personally. I think minimum on corsair side, I'd want the cx500 preferably cx600.


If i got the psu i listed http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Powercool-GT-700W-SLI-Gaming-... do you think that would be fine for 3-4 months until i get a new one ?
September 4, 2012 2:20:06 PM

allanitomwesh said:
Here's the psu http://www.dabs.com/products/ocz-technology-psu--modxst...
however,there's nothing wrong with the hd7770,it's very capable. Also you could get this for the same performance and save on the psu http://www.ksn-online.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-560-smart...


Whats the difference with the Smart edition from normal edition, also is the GTX560 as good as the Radeon 6850 I'd like to play BF3 on High settings in Multiplayer and that PSU seems good but i still would like a 2 x6 pin connector one in case i want to upgrade to a better card in the future but overall this rig should run most games on the market at High-Ultra settings right ?
Thanks
edit: forgot to mention, according to the Palit page on the graphics card it requires 2 x6pin power connectors
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 4, 2012 2:57:03 PM

You'll notice the psu has a 6pin and a second 6+2 pin connector. Meaning you can plug a graphics card requiring a)a single six pin b) a single 8 pin c)a six pin and a six pin d) a six pin and an eight pin. It doesn't get more flexible than that! :) 
The smart edition is a gtx 560SE which is an underclocked 560. The normal 560 is more powerful. The 560 Ti more so and finally the 560 Ti 448Core being best you can get. Ofcourse, prices rise the more powerful it gets.
For battlefield on ultra,at 1080p resolution, you want a Radeon 7850 or gtx 570/560 Ti 448. The 7850 uses least power if it interests you.
At a lower resolution, the 7770 will serve you very well,even a 7750 at 1080i resolution is very capable.
September 4, 2012 3:34:46 PM

Ah i think i understand, so it does have two 6 pin connectors but 1 has a split off with 2 pin meaning i could just use it anyway and leave the 2pin split off hanging? forgive me if im wrong but does this also mean i can use the Radeon 6850 aswell now ? im not really keen on that gtx560 :( 
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 4, 2012 5:09:31 PM

The 6850 will work with that psu,it's a good card for it's price. Will you be changing your motherboard to am3+?
September 4, 2012 6:03:42 PM

allanitomwesh said:
The 6850 will work with that psu,it's a good card for it's price. Will you be changing your motherboard to am3+?


I would like to change it to AM3+ but i thought AM3 socket Processors such as the one im getting didnt work in AM3+ sockets, only in AM3 sockets.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 4, 2012 6:16:00 PM

As far as I know they do. My friend has a 990FX Gigabyte board running a Phenom 1090t in it, overclocked to about 3.8ghz.
September 4, 2012 6:37:40 PM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
As far as I know they do. My friend has a 990FX Gigabyte board running a Phenom 1090t in it, overclocked to about 3.8ghz.


Ah i see, well i think im fine now with the parts i've chosen so what do you guys think of this overall ?


AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz Black Edition
XFX RADEON HD 6850 1GB DDR5
ModXStream Pro, 500W PSU
ASROCK M3N78D
750GB SATA II 3.5”
Coolermaster Elite 430
GEIL 8 GB DDR3-1333
Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit

Is there any bad things about it and at a resolution of 1366x768 will it play the following games on High?
Battlefield 3,Guild Wars 2, WOW Mop,Crysis2
another thing is how will it perform in the Unity game engine, will it be able to display all settings on high like render distance etc
Thanks again
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 4, 2012 8:40:39 PM

AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz Black Edition
XFX RADEON HD 6850 1GB DDR5
ModXStream Pro, 500W PSU
MSI 870C45 FX V2 AM3+
750GB SATA II 3.5”
Coolermaster Elite 430 case
GEIL 8 GB DDR3-1333
Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit

You'll game on Max settings any game you want at that resolution. Antialiasing and all.
September 4, 2012 9:01:51 PM

allanitomwesh said:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz Black Edition
XFX RADEON HD 6850 1GB DDR5
ModXStream Pro, 500W PSU
MSI 870C45 FX V2 AM3+
750GB SATA II 3.5”
Coolermaster Elite 430 case
GEIL 8 GB DDR3-1333
Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit

You'll game on Max settings any game you want at that resolution. Antialiasing and all.


Ah good ! Well i'll be ordering the parts new week so i hope everything goes well, I'd like to thank you a lot though for helping me because i wouldn't have a clue of what to get if you guys never helped :) 
Edit: one more question, because i dont have the money to get the OS yet, can just download a 64bit home premium ISO and have the 30 day trial ?
Thanks again
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 5, 2012 3:03:38 AM

Yes,or get Ubuntu Linux free from their site.
You're welcome.

To close the thread you can choose a best answer.
September 5, 2012 3:11:02 AM

allanitomwesh said:
Yes,or get Ubuntu Linux free from their site.
You're welcome.

To close the thread you can choose a best answer.


There is no option for me to select a best answer i think its because this is a discussion and not a question, And about Ubuntu i was just reading up on it and it looks like you cant run games on there without using another tools and im imagining you would get a lot of driver trouble using that OS right ?
a b B Homebuilt system
September 5, 2012 3:33:32 AM

I agree on the MSI board, same friend with the Gigabyte board had an ASRock before, sound stopped working when he put in an SSD.

If you can, maybe try to get slightly faster ram, I think the 965 has an unlocked multiplier for overclocking, should you want to overclock for more performance.
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 5, 2012 3:51:08 AM

Well yes, but Linux has it's own games,all free. It's pretty much free windows,with free software. Fewer titles are as advanced as windows, but then, titles aren't free to play much on windows either. It's only for a month anyway.
September 5, 2012 4:41:31 AM

the MSI board is £10 dearer and im already £60 over bugdet and about Ubuntu, Yes its only for a month so i guess i can just use Wine for Windows applications, but i thought the drivers for the parts i have aren't compatible with Ubuntu
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 5, 2012 5:23:09 AM

As far as I can see the difference is 10p,unless shipping is exorbitant. As for the £60 you could cut it at the nearest physical store with sales.Probably find a processor combo.
The graphics card will work with the built in drivers,it'll even game with proprietary drivers if you set them right. I don't see any other part being a problem.
a b 4 Gaming
September 5, 2012 6:36:32 AM

allanitomwesh said:
Not to shoot down your choice,but the case claims way too many features for it's price. It'll work sure,but I'd rather you get a case of high quality from a reputable case manufacturer or even a PC manufacturer like Asus. At less than £70 you want to stay away from flashy lights,in my opinion,something else always suffers to put the lights and keep the price low. Take a look at this instead http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-haf-912-plu...
You'll notice your choice of psu has very few connections. That's a sign of it's low efficiency. Even though it's 750w it'll probably give you 60% of that so I'd say it's a 400w psu at best. The antec is 80+ bronze so it'll give you 380w thereabouts continuous power,plenty for your card. The difference is,the advance psu will be struggling and noisy to achieve the same(if it does).


Vandor said:
ah ok thanks for the info, my budget is around £300-320 so getting that case without a PSU is way to over my budget :(  Is there any case you could link me thats a little cheaper and therefore i could spend a little more on the PSU, so far without a Case and PSU the total of my build comes to £242.37 so i've only got around £70 to get both a case and PSU i do like the other case you linked me earlier but thats means i only have £30 to spend on a PSU, do you think i should get another graphics card so maybe then i could spend more on the PSU ?
Thanks again

just a pointer a 750 W psu with 60% efficiency is not same as a 400W psu. Actually, with just 60 % efficiency it will still give 750 W but will draw an extra 40% from the wall. That means at 60%, 750 Watt psu will draw 750+300(extra 40%)= 1050W of power on the wall. But Allan's suggestion for a higher efficiency psu is right and you should go for better efficiency psu if your budget allows

Edit>added: you should go for better efficiency psu if your budget allows
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 5, 2012 7:54:16 AM

^coupled with poor circuitry thats how they blow up at load. Thank you for the in depth explanation.
September 5, 2012 11:11:27 PM

If i use Windows 8 Consumer Preview with the new build, will i have any compatibly/driver issues and will it be able to run programs/games like Arma 2 (Dayz mod) GW2, wow, skype, bf3 and firefox or will i get some compatibly issues ?
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
September 6, 2012 2:57:43 AM

I've used the preview,the last one wasn't so buggy,but it'll get annoying quickly. Not sure you'll stress it that much though,so yeah,that's an option too.
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