New and needing help

[Dekodan]

I am trying to make a gaming computer on a budget of 400-450 dollars that can Max skyrimbut the more I learn the harder it seems to be to do within my budget but I was told the GPU was what was the most important I was wondering what the CPU's role in the game was and if anyone could suggest a cheap CPU with heat sink included that would work for sky rim maxed I will post in the Graphics card section also for info on that thanks

 

[oxford373]

i suggest these PC components
H61 motherboard for 50$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130639
G630 for 65$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116406
2x2GB RAM for 20$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253
6850 for 150$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150515
1TB for 90$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840
PSU for 35$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

 

[Dekodan]

Thank you I appreciate your response and as I said I am new at this but besides price would this processor be better?
AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX
If not then why not

 

[Dekodan]

Actually the better question is this I already purchased the parts like a fool and didn't ask before so now I'm doing it late
1 x ($72.99) HIS H657HS2G Radeon HD 6570 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
1 x ($69.99) SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - OEM
1 x ($59.99) AMD Athlon II X2 260 Regor 3.2GHz Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor ADX260OCGMBOX
1 x ($58.99) ASRock A785GM-LE AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
1 x ($46.99) ASUS Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
1 x ($39.99) AMD Free WinZip Pro 16 Coupon
1 x ($20.99) Diablotek PHD Series PHD350 350W ATX12V V2.2 Power Supply
2 x ($9.99) Crucial Ballistix sport 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2G3D1609DS1S00
Sorry if it looks sloppy I'm on my phone but I know I'm replacing my PSU and GPU but I was wondering if I can keep the rest and get the same results your build offers I can return it all if you think I should but I wanted to know if anything I have so far is any good

 

[Guest]

1 x ($20.99) Diablotek PHD Series PHD350 350W ATX12V V2.2 Power Supply

send that back ASAP!!!

nothing but a flaming brick.

 

[Dekodan]

Lol yeah I was told if I used it I would blow my computer up anything else about my build I am replacing the power supply and the graphics card for sure besides that do you suggest I replace anything else

 

[Guest]

honestly i think oxford373 build was great, though i made a few changes. same sized HD for $20 less and used that for a better cpu and add a dvd drive:

H61 motherboard for 50$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130639
Intel Pentium G850 for 70$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116397
2x2GB RAM for 20$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253
6850 for 150$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150515
1TB for70$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148764
PSU for 35$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045
SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner 20$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

$415

that athlon II will be brought to its knees in skyrim. (bench show performance with a 7970 grfx card)

 

[Dekodan]

Oh didn't see the picture nevermind

 

[Dekodan]

OK what about my CPU I have on my list compared to the one you suggested what is the differences?

 

[Dekodan]

Why is my processor so much worse when it has a higher speed???

 

[Guest]

keep in mind that graph is the performance with a AMD 7970, the actual frame rates with a 6850 will be LOWER.
how much lower i really could say . . . 25%+(?)

 

[Dekodan]

Yeah that's the card I want but that in itself would be my budget lol but yeah the processor though why is the one I chose so much worse than Intelsat at a lower speed I apologize but I am just getting into this stuff and still learning

 

[Guest]

its not all about speed. the architecture of the cpu is more important than how fast it runs. the sandy bridge cpus have a very efficient design and can do more at lower speeds and power.

 

[Dekodan]

So your saying the better brand Intel is higher quality and can withstand more things being thrown at it and not slowed too much as opposed to a faster CPU that is easily slowed by processes? How does new egg work exactly how do I return the items and what do I do? Do I just send them back and replace them with what I want and pay the difference or do I get a refund and buy new parts from scratch?

 

[Guest]

sorry i can't answer about how new egg deals with things.

i can say that compared to lower budget systems, the way to go when you have a discrete graphics card is an intel cpu at just about any price point.

now there are a few games out there that love more than two cores, but since a budget build isn't geared towards them it makes the point rather moot.

 

[Dekodan]

OK so with the build you suggested I'm going to follow but I want to keep the blu ray player instead of your DVD one bluray is better right? And how long should this build last before needing to be upgraded roughly?

 

[Guest]

that would depend on what games you want to play. as newer games come out the hardware requirements get higher. if you are looking for skyrim or like D3 then its fine until you get tired of playing them. but something like crysis3 or BF4 when they come out would need a pretty hefty upgrade.

 

[Dekodan]

What about assassins creed in October? And I know when I can afford it I'm going to get the 7970 but what about CPU an affordable upgrade to deal with new games what do you suggest

 

[Guest]

then i would highly suggest getting this motherboard now:
GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3V $59.99
the B75 chipset would be able to get you an ivy bridge cpu which is about 5%-15% better than a sandy bridge. you cannot upgrade to an ivy on a H61 motherboard but you could with a H67, Z68 or P67 motherboard.
(those are "sandy" boards and the H,B,Z,7x series are ivy)

then as far as a cpu a Intel Core i5-3450 $189.98 when you get a much better graphic card and you will be rocking any game pretty good.

but now i am looking at that PSU . . .that 450 watt with 1 pci 6 pin power connection may not cut it.

 

[Dekodan]

I can upgrade PSU when I get a new graphics card later down the road unless you think I will need one now with the motherboard you suggested someone suggested I get the corsair CX600 but let me know now if I will need to upgrade it with motherboard or just graphics card cause if I can wait I will but I would rather be safe then sorry

 

[Guest]

that 450 is plenty for the rig as is now.

i just checked and a reference 7970 uses less than 170 watts but a factory overclocked will suck up to 200 watts. seriously, a good 550 watt PSU will handle that.

 

[Dekodan]

OK thanks I have a quick question are you just a geek or did you go to any school? Because I have been really looking for something I enjoy to turn into a career and I enjoy nerdy things like web design and I really like building a computer I want to learn more about hardware and stuff how to repair and build and things of that nature what do you suggest for that lol

 

[Dekodan]

Btw if geek is offensive to you I apologize I don't consider it offensive personally

 

[Guest]

eh, can't say i am a geek . . . more of a hobbyist. most of what i learned was through google when i had a problem or question. sticking around here and reading threads helps a lot; i think i've found out more stuff in the last 8 months then in the last 8 years; especially when replies have links to articles that i wouldn't have found on my own.

 

[Dekodan]

OK well thanks a ton I have one last question I'm a little tight on money and if this ends up being too much for me what would you suggest I sell it for on Craigslist