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July 16, 2012 6:47:17 PM

I'm looking to upgrade my old Dell Studio with a new graphics card. I have not changed it at all whatsoever. Specs:

CPU: Intel i5 650 @ 3.2 ghz (dual core)

GPU: Nvidia GT220

RAM: 8 gb

PSU: Not sure what model but it is a 350W

Mobo: ?

I would like a GPU that would work with the 350W psu and is around $150.

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a c 578 U Graphics card
July 16, 2012 7:33:46 PM

Since the Dell Studio XPS 8100's 350 Watt power supply has a maximum combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of 25 Amps and has one 6-pin PCI Express supplementary power connector I will recommend the following:

ASUS HD7770-DCT-1GD5 for $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 1GB for $149.99 ($134.99 after mail-in rebate card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX HD-685X-ZCFC Radeon HD 6850 1GB for $149.99 ($134.99 after mail-in rebate card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 17, 2012 5:11:19 PM

Thanks I decided to go with the 6850
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a b U Graphics card
July 17, 2012 5:28:29 PM

Be careful, some of the 6850s require 2 6-pin connectors. For example, that XFX that was linked requires 2 6-pins. Not going to work with your PSU, sorry.
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July 18, 2012 9:47:28 PM

Thanks. Its a good thing that I didnt order it yet
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a b U Graphics card
July 18, 2012 9:59:57 PM

Honestly I think you should just go with a HD7770. What resolution do you play games at?

The HD7770 is a pretty decent card for $120. Especially if you play at 1600x900 or less its awesome. I used one for a while playing at 1920x1080 and I was really happy with the performance for a $100 GPU.
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July 19, 2012 12:39:10 PM

stickg1 said:
Honestly I think you should just go with a HD7770. What resolution do you play games at?

The HD7770 is a pretty decent card for $120. Especially if you play at 1600x900 or less its awesome. I used one for a while playing at 1920x1080 and I was really happy with the performance for a $100 GPU.


I would like to play at 1920x1080 but i dont mind 1600x900 either. As long as the graphics dont look to blocky and pixelated I dont mind. What game were you playing at 1920x1080 and how many fps were you getting?
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July 19, 2012 12:45:53 PM

Skyrim with high settings 40-60fps, fallout new Vegas ultra settings maxed out 60fps.

Two not very demanding games though. It was for my kids computer and i used it for a week whilei was doing some bartering and waiting on my 7870 to come.
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a c 578 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 3:16:46 PM

qwerty1358 said:
I would like to play at 1920x1080 but i dont mind 1600x900 either. As long as the graphics dont look to blocky and pixelated I dont mind. What game were you playing at 1920x1080 and how many fps were you getting?

If you don't use the display's native 1920x1080 resolution the image will look soft.

The Radeon HD 6850 is a faster card than the Radeon HD 7770 no matter how you look at it.

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July 19, 2012 3:22:31 PM

hey why dont you play it safe and buy a hd 7750?
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July 19, 2012 3:26:13 PM

panwala95 said:
hey why dont you play it safe and buy a hd 7750?

Safe, how?
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July 19, 2012 3:27:35 PM

maybe if your brand is of a generic brand chances any higher gpu may not work
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July 19, 2012 3:29:02 PM

panwala95 said:
maybe if your brand is of a generic brand chances any higher gpu may not work

Brand of what?
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July 19, 2012 3:31:01 PM

ko888 said:
If you don't use the display's native 1920x1080 resolution the image will look soft.

The Radeon HD 6850 is a faster card than the Radeon HD 7770 no matter how you look at it.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7770/images/skyrim_1920_1200.gif

There is no doubt that the 6850 is faster but the xfx you linked him earlier requires 2 6pin pcie connectors that he doesn't have. Even the single 6 pin 6850 use more power than a 7770 and with his 350w Dell psu i think the 7770 is more suited for his existing hardware.

I agree though, you're going to want to use your native resolution.
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July 19, 2012 3:33:32 PM

ko888 said:
Safe, how?

Safe according to his idea of how things work, not reality
That system was sold with a quad core and a 5770, no reason a 6850 wouldn't work fine with the dual core in the OP's
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July 19, 2012 3:40:31 PM

stickg1 said:
There is no doubt that the 6850 is faster but the xfx you linked him earlier requires 2 6pin pcie connectors that he doesn't have. Even the single 6 pin 6850 use more power than a 7770 and with his 350w Dell psu i think the 7770 is more suited for his existing hardware.

I agree though, you're going to want to use your native resolution.

The maximum combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of 25 Amps is what determines if the power supply is able to handle the card.

Anyone that looks just at the total power supply wattage doesn't know what they're doing anyway.
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July 19, 2012 4:09:40 PM

on 25 amps a hd 6850 should just work
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 4:15:39 PM

A system with a 95w cpu and a 6850 can draw in upwards to 275w+. I understand his cpu is 73w but his system can draw 275/350=~79%, if his psu is 80 plus certified he is still cutting it close. Will it work? Probably, is it a good idea? Not in my eyes, just my opinion. Good luck.
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 4:20:08 PM

then he should probably buy a new psu
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July 19, 2012 4:33:08 PM

All of you are giving great suggestions. I guess I'll go buy a new psu maybe 500w. I want to play bf3, skrim, gta, mass effect, crysis 2, etc.
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July 19, 2012 8:10:03 PM

stickg1 said:
A system with a 95w cpu and a 6850 can draw in upwards to 275w+. I understand his cpu is 73w but his system can draw 275/350=~79%, if his psu is 80 plus certified he is still cutting it close. Will it work? Probably, is it a good idea? Not in my eyes, just my opinion. Good luck.

That's enough to show that you don't understand
Efficiency is the conversion of AC to DC
If the OP's system were to draw 275 watts and the psu was 80% efficient the load on the psu would be 220 watts or about 63% of it's capacity
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 8:39:12 PM

Well wouldn't it go the other way? If the system needed 275w to run under heavy load then an 80% efficient PSU would have to generate more than 275w to make up for its inefficiency. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse I am actually confused. Because the way you put it, it actually seems like the less efficient the PSU the better it is. Please educate me.
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July 19, 2012 9:13:35 PM

Personally, I think that if the OP was to choose between the 6850 and the 7770, I would say go with the 7770. The 7770 and the 6850 are generally around the same price, however the 6850 offers a bit more performance. Now, the performance is really insignificant and the 6850 uses 30watts more than the 7770. If the OP was to buy the 7770 and realize that it was not enough and he has power left, he can easily OC it to higher clock rates that will surpass the 6850 since the 7_ series scales significantly better than the 6_ series in terms of OC, and he won't be stretching his PSU that much.
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July 19, 2012 9:40:52 PM

ausert said:
Personally, I think that if the OP was to choose between the 6850 and the 7770, I would say go with the 7770. The 7770 and the 6850 are generally around the same price, however the 6850 offers a bit more performance. Now, the performance is really insignificant and the 6850 uses 30watts more than the 7770. If the OP was to buy the 7770 and realize that it was not enough and he has power left, he can easily OC it to higher clock rates that will surpass the 6850 since the 7_ series scales significantly better than the 6_ series in terms of OC, and he won't be stretching his PSU that much.

How much of an overclock on the Radeon HD 7770 do you need before you exceed the performance of a Radeon HD 6850?

I.e. what Core Clock and what Memory Clock is required to achieve this performance level?
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July 19, 2012 9:43:57 PM

stickg1 said:
Well wouldn't it go the other way? If the system needed 275w to run under heavy load then an 80% efficient PSU would have to generate more than 275w to make up for its inefficiency. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse I am actually confused. Because the way you put it, it actually seems like the less efficient the PSU the better it is. Please educate me.

The rating on the psu is it's DC output
The less efficient the psu , the more power that is drawn from the wall
( 350w DC / 80% = 437.5w AC ) ( 350w DC / 90% = ~ 389w AC )
When you're looking at most reviews they're giving you AC power numbers
275w AC * .8 = 220w DC
275w AC * .9 = 247.5w DC
You need to know what power supply was used in the review to get an idea of the actual load
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July 19, 2012 10:04:16 PM

delluser1 said:
The rating on the psu is it's DC output
The less efficient the psu , the more power that is drawn from the wall
( 350w DC / 80% = 437.5w AC ) ( 350w DC / 90% = ~ 389w AC )
When you're looking at most reviews they're giving you AC power numbers
275w AC * .8 = 220w DC
275w AC * .9 = 247.5w DC
You need to know what power supply was used in the review to get an idea of the actual load


Ah I see, so efficiency is really just how much AC current is pulled from the wall in watts to achieve the rated output in watts of the PSU?

Good to know, thank you.

Yes the 7770s can overclock really well, but some don't. It goes the same with all cards, and I don't like the argument people make when they say "Oh well you can OC that card to the other cards level." Well what happens when you OC the other card that was already better? Then performance levels are beyond comparable.

I have a Sapphire HD 7770. This beautiful beast of a low end card OC'd to 1275/1400 and the performance gain I saw in Unigine Heaven 3.0 was around +25%. Not bad for a card I got 2nd hand for $90.

I had a MSI R7770 OC HD 7770. This card I didn't have as much luck with. I believe I had the voltage maxed out and the highest clocks I could get were 1125/1275. Still a nice card just wasn't a lottery winner like the Sapphire.

Actually the Sapphire 7870 I run in my main machine, happens to be gold plated and is rumored to have been forged on Mt. Olympus by Zeus himself, runs a 1300/1525 without even maxing the voltage. (I love Sapphire cards)

Anyway, it looks like you can benefit from the 6850, although I've seen reviews that give it similar frames for newer games like BF3. It is more powerful, make sure you get a single 6-pin model like the sapphire "ko888" linked in one of the first responses. Also, if I get one more person to buy a Sapphire they agreed to next day me a turkey burger.
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July 20, 2012 2:02:02 PM

I ordered the 6850 and is waiting for its arrival. Thanks to everyone who helped.
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July 30, 2012 4:14:03 PM

Best answer selected by qwerty1358.
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