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I5 3570k vs i7 3770k vs wait for haswell

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which cpu should i take??

Total: 30 votes (9 blank votes)

  • i5 3570k
  • 53 %
  • i7 3770k
  • 20 %
  • wait for Haswell
  • 29 %
January 19, 2013 4:17:33 AM

CPU=??
GPU=2x gtx670
MOBO= mis Mpower


so which cpu should i take ??? :pt1cable: 
gaming & minor multitasking together.

More about : 3570k 3770k wait haswell

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January 19, 2013 4:21:45 AM

If you're gaming, 3570. I would get the K model however, last longer cause you can overclock it.
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January 19, 2013 4:22:20 AM

Whats your current rig. also i was in the same spot. just for you to know lga 1155 is dead. and i didnt have a pc for gaming. so i bought a amd 6300 since its on the am3+ socket where steamroller will be on. Risky decision on my part since what if steamroller isnt even fastesr than ivy bridge haha. anyway if you Can wait def get haswell. if not just ride that 3570k. i wouldnt recmoned what im doing since its a risk idk how good steamroller will be and ur getting sli so either 3570k or if you can wait haswell
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January 19, 2013 7:38:55 AM

stantheman123 said:
Whats your current rig. also i was in the same spot. just for you to know lga 1155 is dead. and i didnt have a pc for gaming. so i bought a amd 6300 since its on the am3+ socket where steamroller will be on. Risky decision on my part since what if steamroller isnt even fastesr than ivy bridge haha. anyway if you Can wait def get haswell. if not just ride that 3570k. i wouldnt recmoned what im doing since its a risk idk how good steamroller will be and ur getting sli so either 3570k or if you can wait haswell


phenom 2 1055t with gtx 670
Anonymous
January 19, 2013 7:56:14 AM

Why 3570 guys? I mean 3770 is better and can act quite better isn't it?
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January 19, 2013 8:05:09 AM

You have a phenom? Definltly hold out till haswell. Overclock it a bit if you can. like i said lga 1155 is dead. and true blood in gaming theres 0% diffrence the only diffrence between i7 and i5 is hyper threading which helps in applications that acctually uses it which games dont
Anonymous
January 19, 2013 8:13:04 AM

I got it mate:) 
January 19, 2013 12:26:42 PM

Id personally wait for haswell, but if you really want a computer now just get the ivy bridge, it's only going to perform 10% lower to the haswell, which is barley noticeable. Also keep in mind we are yet to know its overclock-ability, if you noticed the ivy bridge cant oc as high as the sandy bridge, even though it outperforms sandy bridge core per core, once sandy bridge hits a high enough clock, it out does the ivy, so yea there's both pros and cons to waiting. In the end upto you.
January 20, 2013 4:05:52 AM

stantheman123 said:
You have a phenom? Definltly hold out till haswell. Overclock it a bit if you can. like i said lga 1155 is dead. and true blood in gaming theres 0% diffrence the only diffrence between i7 and i5 is hyper threading which helps in applications that acctually uses it which games dont


i planing to sli but my mobo do not support it
this is my main reason to change cpu
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January 20, 2013 4:13:01 AM

Well unless your on 1440p or 1600p or higher i wouldnt really say SLI/crossfire is needed. If you really wanna sli then jump on a i5 3570k and maybie a asrock extreme 4 z77. if you want
January 20, 2013 12:34:30 PM

stantheman123 said:
Well unless your on 1440p or 1600p or higher i wouldnt really say SLI/crossfire is needed. If you really wanna sli then jump on a i5 3570k and maybie a asrock extreme 4 z77. if you want


i going for a 3d gaming so sli will help a lot haha
previously i looking at msi z77 Mpower but asrock mobo really cheap price point catches my eye. Is it realizable? (going to keep it for at less 2 years with with 2 years interval GPU upgrade)

i know is off topic but what sound card should i go for? mid range or high end? (around $100 or at $200 range?)
will i notice any difference in sound quality ??
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January 20, 2013 1:22:49 PM

Anonymous said:
Why 3570 guys? I mean 3770 is better and can act quite better isn't it?


The i7-3770 has Hyper Threading (HT) and it does not have an unlocked multiplier for overclocking.

Games do not make use of HT, over the past several years benchmarks have shown that on average HT decreases game performance by about 1% - 2%. Unless you use programs that can make use if HT, then you are not really getting any benefit from HT.
January 20, 2013 1:25:14 PM

jaguarskx said:
The i7-3770 has Hyper Threading (HT) and it does not have an unlocked multiplier for overclocking.

Games do not make use of HT, over the past several years benchmarks have shown that on average HT decreases game performance by about 1% - 2%. Unless you use programs that can make use if HT, then you are not really getting any benefit from HT.


oh sorry i forget to put a K there
i 100 % going fo a K model just not sure which one to go with
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January 20, 2013 1:32:49 PM

Since you are only doing "gaming & minor multitasking together" there is no real need for Hyper Threading... unless you plan on doing video encoding and using a video codec that supports HT.
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January 20, 2013 1:34:09 PM

Personally, I am waiting for either Haswell or Broadwell (2014).
January 20, 2013 1:37:10 PM

jaguarskx said:
Games do not make use of HT, over the past several years benchmarks have shown that on average HT decreases game performance by about 1% - 2%. Unless you use programs that can make use if HT, then you are not really getting any benefit from HT.


r u sure about it?
there is bench showing that i3 with HT show improvement due the game run on 4 core.
I will not be upgrading it for some time (2 years minimum but will upgrade gpu)
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January 20, 2013 1:42:01 PM

Provide a link to the benchmark. It might be specific to the game you are referring to because over the years there have been dozens of CPU benchmark reviews that have shown HT not providing any benefits for games.
January 20, 2013 1:55:05 PM

jaguarskx said:
Provide a link to the benchmark. It might be specific to the game you are referring to because over the years there have been dozens of CPU benchmark reviews that have shown HT not providing any benefits for games.


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2194420
Dirt 2

i5-661 (HT on) ………….. 96.47
Q9550 (2.83) …………….. 94.51
i3-540 (3.06)…………….. 90.43
E8600 (3.3) …………..… 73.40
i5-661 (HT off) …………. 72.02
E7400 (2.8) ……………. 56.47

This review test has benches for the i5-661 with/without HT (hyperthreading). If you check that sites processor reviews, the original i3-530/540 review also has benches with HT on/off. In well threaded games like Dirt 2, one can get somewhat of an idea that HT is helping considerably by comparing against the pervious generation dual cores. The dual core i3's are generally substantially faster than the previous generation of dual cores in multithreaded games and multithreaded gaming is one of the areas (along with video encoding) where HT makes some of the biggest performance gains. An i3-540 is almost as fast as a Q9550 in Dirt 2, and substantially faster than a higher clocked E8600. It isn't going to take much of an overclock for the i3-540 to outrun the Q9550, and the i3 mops the floor with the slower dual cores under the E8600.

In this computerbase i3-2100 test, HT boosted performance 71% in the game F1 versus no HT. Surprisingly, in the same game F1, the i7-2600K loses 4% performance by enabling HT … computerbase i7-2600K. There are other games where the i7-2600 drops in performance (-5%) with HT on in that same computerbase review, like RE5, where the i3-2100 sees a 46% gain with HT on.

In BF:BC2, HT boosts performance on the i3-530 by ~ 50-60% … overclockers … scroll down about halfway in that thread for benches of the i3-530 with/without HT. HT makes a huge difference in this game. The i3-530 looks to be averaging below 40 (with several dips in the low 20's) without HT, and close to 60 with HT on with only 1 dip slightly below 40. It's the difference between unplayable and half decent frame rates for BC2.

You can also get a pretty good idea how much HT is helping in games where there is a G6950 in the review (2.8Ghz dual core Clarkdale with no HT and 3MB L3 vs 4MB for i3-530). The dual core Sandy Bridge processors like the Pentium G850 (2.9) G860 (3.0) could also be compared to the i3-2100 (3.1) if a particular review has those processors too. In this Techreport BF:BC2 test, the i3-560 (3.3Ghz) is 81% faster than the Clarkdale dual core without HT G6950 (2.8Ghz) with an only 18% clockrate advantage. The i3-560 also easily outran the Q9400 (2.66Ghz) in that BC2 benchmark.
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January 20, 2013 2:12:45 PM

Okay, that seems interesting... Dirt 2 definitely does get a boost from HT it seems... However, that is for a resolution of 800x600. Below is a direct link to the chart.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2010/tes...

Now compare the same game in the same review article, but at 1680x1050 resolution...

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2010/tes...

The performance difference has basically been wiped out. So... yes you can say that Dirt 2 benefits from HT, but only at the lowest resolution. If you plan on playing Dirt 2 at the lowest resolution, then by all means buy a Core i7-3770k.

You should also check out benchmarks for the other games, you are not going to notice much difference with and without HT.
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January 20, 2013 9:20:30 PM

hafijur said:


Overall imho 2 core and hyper threading makes a big difference for gaming.


Based on the benchmarks in that German review referred to by the OP and the link to the review I posted, your opinion would be incorrect.

The benchmarks shows that Hyper Threading has very marginal benefits for games. I think the benchmarks mostly showed around 2 FPS increase in performance. The exception seems to be Dirt 2 @ 800x600 which shows a dramatic increase in performance; I think it was around 25 FPS to 30 FPS. Regardless, it was substantial. However, the benchmarks for Dirt 2 @ 1680x1050 showed only around a 2 FPS increase.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but the results of all the benchmarks in total from that German review clearly shows Hyper Threading does not really improve performance by much.
January 21, 2013 8:07:11 AM

Hyperthreading (8threads) will be utilized much more in the near future, battlefield 3 is the only game out at the moment that utilizes it properly. So dont cross i7s off your list yet. The reason the i5 661 with hyperthreading does so well is because its 2 cores 4 threads. Games at the moment utilize all 4 threads, surpasing dual core. Thats why i5 with 4 cores no hyper threading does so well, cause there are 4 threads. Hence why the dual core i5 with hyper threading on also does well, cause once again its 4 threads.

The same principal applys to i7, once games start utilizing 8 threads as oppose to 4, it will make a great deal of difference.

So basically to sum up, the performance of games is dependent on thread count, not core count. So whether a cpu has hyperthreading or not is out of the question. Once games start utlizing 6-8 threads, 4 core i7s with hyperthreading will be the new gaming cpu.
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January 21, 2013 8:13:55 AM

azed3000 said:
Hyperthreading (8threads) will be utilized much more in the near future, battlefield 3 is the only game out at the moment that utilizes it properly. So dont cross i7s off your list yet. The reason the i5 661 with hyperthreading does so well is because its 2 cores 4 threads. Games at the moment utilize all 4 threads, surpasing dual core. Thats why i5 with 4 cores no hyper threading does so well, cause there are 4 threads. Hence why the dual core i5 with hyper threading on also does well, cause once again its 4 threads.

The same principal applys to i7, once games start utilizing 8 threads as oppose to 4, it will make a great deal of difference.

So basically to sum up, the performance of games is dependent on thread count, not core count. So whether a cpu has hyperthreading or not is out of the question. Once games start utlizing 6-8 threads, 4 core i7s with hyperthreading will be the new gaming cpu.


And that wont be for atleast 2-3years so. get the i5 3570k.
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January 21, 2013 11:33:20 AM

If you have a phenom why change platforms unless you are running a old AM3 socket.

My honest opinion if you are hell bent on changing then wait for Haswell with a new socket rather than buying into EOL technology.
January 21, 2013 12:48:59 PM

stantheman123 said:
http://www.overclock.net/t/671977/hyperthreading-in-gam...

Hyperthreading in some games Gets less fps and some games more. no reason to pay a 100. and yes asrock is very reliable but if your not comfartable could always go asus or msi.


im good with any thing haha
not a in any team (amd, intel, nvidia, mis etc) just need performance vs price.
January 21, 2013 12:54:22 PM

sarinaide said:
If you have a phenom why change platforms unless you are running a old AM3 socket.

My honest opinion if you are hell bent on changing then wait for Haswell with a new socket rather than buying into EOL technology.


i hesitate to change is mainly due to EOL tech....
and i want to play in 3d so with my old phenom it will surely bottleneck the due gtx 670...(main reason i want to change cpu and mobo)
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January 21, 2013 12:56:51 PM

If you've got the phenom, I would sayjust jump to the FX 83XX models if you have an AM3+ mobo.

Otherwise just wait it out till Haswell, the phenom will make do for now.
January 21, 2013 1:16:08 PM

BuddiLuva said:
If you've got the phenom, I would sayjust jump to the FX 83XX models if you have an AM3+ mobo.

Otherwise just wait it out till Haswell, the phenom will make do for now.


it just a AM3 mobo.

Haswell need to wait for a few more month....
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January 21, 2013 1:51:46 PM

jaguarskx said:
The i7-3770 has Hyper Threading (HT) and it does not have an unlocked multiplier for overclocking.

Games do not make use of HT, over the past several years benchmarks have shown that on average HT decreases game performance by about 1% - 2%. Unless you use programs that can make use if HT, then you are not really getting any benefit from HT.

So which cpu is better than 3570 in gaming?
January 21, 2013 1:58:44 PM

I think the i5 2500k is pretty hardcore for gaming considering you can easily get 4.5-5.0ghz outta that thing easy, but since this is ivy bridge discussion, an i7 is if you are doing heavy video editing and to not slow down by using HT and better multitasking capabilities. If you're just gaming and a little multitasking an i5 will go a long ways.
January 21, 2013 2:00:00 PM

Anonymous said:
So which cpu is better than 3570 in gaming?


i7 3770 with ht off haha
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January 21, 2013 10:33:02 PM

destwong said:
i7 3770 with ht off haha



Hey destwong IMO intel route is defintly better esspically for sli/crossfire. i currently have amd 6300. and for the price its a nice chip for the price

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total intel= $379

i5 3570k+ASUS P8Z77-V LK that mobo supports Quad sli and tri crossfire

Or if you want to save some cash and go amd

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total amd: $289

Amd fx 6300+asusM5A99FX PRO R2.0 i got those that cpu and that mobo and its great.



It just depends do you want more perfomance for more money?. or are you happy to overclock a bit with the amd rig and get some decent perfomance.

If money is no object go intel. if money is get the amd fx 6300 and make sure you overclock it. :-)
January 21, 2013 11:16:35 PM

stantheman123 said:
Hey destwong IMO intel route is defintly better esspically for sli/crossfire. i currently have amd 6300. and for the price its a nice chip for the price

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total intel= $379

i5 3570k+ASUS P8Z77-V LK that mobo supports Quad sli and tri crossfire

Or if you want to save some cash and go amd

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total amd: $289

Amd fx 6300+asusM5A99FX PRO R2.0 i got those that cpu and that mobo and its great.



It just depends do you want more perfomance for more money?. or are you happy to overclock a bit with the amd rig and get some decent perfomance.

If money is no object go intel. if money is get the amd fx 6300 and make sure you overclock it. :-)


Tq for the advice.
i just want something that can last me for a few years without gpu bottlenect.... (going to run SLI)

For how much money i willing to spend is around i73770 level & mobo around msi Mpower ....
but is it is useless in gaming so i thinking of cutting it down.

My intel SSD 320 in raid zero giving me some problem.Might be the missmatch AMD and intel . It will not run when i install window 7 in it(only work in window 8). Going with intel core might solve the problem(this is my second reason to change)
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January 21, 2013 11:27:50 PM

destwong said:
Tq for the advice.
i just want something that can last me for a few years without gpu bottlenect.... (going to run SLI)

For how much money i willing to spend is around i73770 level & mobo around msi Mpower ....
but is it is useless in gaming so i thinking of cutting it down.

My intel SSD 320 in raid zero giving me some problem.Might be the missmatch AMD and intel . It will not run when i install window 7 in it(only work in window 8). Going with intel core might solve the problem(this is my second reason to change)


Yea No point in spending money on the i7 3770. With the extra money saved get a nice cooler for the cpu a nice cheap one is
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also im not sure about the ssd problem. i currently have a samsung 840 with my amd fx 6300 and its fine. But changing to intel might fix the problem im not too sure. Could just return the ssd and a get vertex or a samsung.

Also im 10000000000000000000000000% sure that a i5 3570k will not bottleneck your 670 sli. There are people running 4 gtx 680s with the i5 and its fine. its currently the fastest gaming cpu. so peace of mind :D .

And since you wanna not be bottlenecked and have a cpu that will last awhile just get the i5 :D 
January 22, 2013 2:00:19 AM

stantheman123 said:
Yea No point in spending money on the i7 3770. With the extra money saved get a nice cooler for the cpu a nice cheap one is
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also im not sure about the ssd problem. i currently have a samsung 840 with my amd fx 6300 and its fine. But changing to intel might fix the problem im not too sure. Could just return the ssd and a get vertex or a samsung.

Also im 10000000000000000000000000% sure that a i5 3570k will not bottleneck your 670 sli. There are people running 4 gtx 680s with the i5 and its fine. its currently the fastest gaming cpu. so peace of mind :D .

And since you wanna not be bottlenecked and have a cpu that will last awhile just get the i5 :D 


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do u hv any experience with sound card?? which sound card to use?? want to get a 5.1 speaker
January 22, 2013 12:16:38 PM

sarinaide said:
If you have a phenom why change platforms unless you are running a old AM3 socket.

My honest opinion if you are hell bent on changing then wait for Haswell with a new socket rather than buying into EOL technology.


haha i'm running on old am3 socket ....
May 8, 2013 6:05:47 AM

stantheman123 said:
Whats your current rig. also i was in the same spot. just for you to know lga 1155 is dead. and i didnt have a pc for gaming. so i bought a amd 6300 since its on the am3+ socket where steamroller will be on. Risky decision on my part since what if steamroller isnt even fastesr than ivy bridge haha. anyway if you Can wait def get haswell. if not just ride that 3570k. i wouldnt recmoned what im doing since its a risk idk how good steamroller will be and ur getting sli so either 3570k or if you can wait haswell


Anonymous said:
Why 3570 guys? I mean 3770 is better and can act quite better isn't it?


yeah, it offers about a 5-10%performance boost for about 50% more money, so i5 FTW

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