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I5 3570k and 7870 or i5 3450 and 7950?

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September 4, 2012 10:46:32 PM

Which should I get? I'm looking to be able to max any game out while recording with Fraps.

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September 4, 2012 10:54:25 PM

what is your budget
location
overclocking?
crossfire?
parts not required

ill build something

as far as i would go, id get a i5 3450 and a 7870 given a xfx 7870 is only 224.99 after MIR while the 7950 is around 300. the performance difference isnt a lot (~10%) but the price difference is a full 50-80 dollars
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September 4, 2012 11:40:57 PM

I would get 7950 or 660TI other professional reliable trust worthy review sites besides TH consistently have the GTX 660 Ti beating a 7950 at 1920 resolution.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...

Quote:
"As it stands, AMD’s position correctly reflects their performance; the GTX 660 Ti is a solid and relatively consistent 10-15% faster than the 7870, while the 7950 is anywhere between a bit faster to a bit slower depending on what benchmarks you favor. Of course when talking about the 7950 the “anything but equal” maxim still applies here, if not more so than with the GTX 670. The GTX 660 Ti is anywhere 50% ahead of the 7950 and 25% behind it, and everywhere in between."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...
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September 4, 2012 11:41:50 PM

I would still get the 7950 though
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September 4, 2012 11:46:06 PM

id get a 7870. price difference is not worth it really
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September 5, 2012 12:06:30 AM

TheBigTroll said:
id get a 7870. price difference is not worth it really
isn't the 7870 $260.00 and up?If not i would change my recommendation :lol: 
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September 5, 2012 2:15:17 AM

TheBigTroll said:
what is your budget
location
overclocking?
crossfire?
parts not required

ill build something

as far as i would go, id get a i5 3450 and a 7870 given a xfx 7870 is only 224.99 after MIR while the 7950 is around 300. the performance difference isnt a lot (~10%) but the price difference is a full 50-80 dollars


Budget is 900 dollars, 950 max.
I live in Florida.
I'm not entirely comfortable overclocking, because this is my first time building a pc and I've never done it before. But having the option open is nice. Either way, I don't wanna do major OC on the cpu. Maybe 1-2 ghz later on but not enough to have to buy an aftermarket cooler.
I will not be going crossfire. In the very distant future maybe, but that would be a very long time from now so buying a crossfire ready motherboard isn't necessary.
I don't need peripherals. I have a 1080p tv with hdmi, a mouse, keyboard, and speakers.
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September 5, 2012 2:47:42 AM

Here's a start....


http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Three-Hundred-Two-Gaming/dp... $60.49 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Antec Three Hundred Two Gaming Case, Black

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-ATX-550-Power-Supply/dp/B004R... $65.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
XFX ATX 550 Power Supply - P1550SXXB9

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $84.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASRock Z75 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $40.99 FREE SHIPPING
Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SH-222BB-BEBE-Internal-So... $19.98 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE 22X SATA DVDRW Internal Drive (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R7950-TWIN-FROZR-3GD5/dp/B007... $329.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
MSI AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 DVI/HDMI/2xMini DisplayPort PCI-Express Video Card R7950 TWIN FROZR 3GD5/OC
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September 5, 2012 2:57:08 AM

Here's my recommendation...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.30 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($317.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $920.57
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-04 22:52 EDT-0400)

Feel free to lower the price some. This is pretty much the highest end build you can get at your budget. I would consider saving some cash however, and go with a HD 7870.

Also, overclocking is very simple and entirely worth it. Seriously, all you do is go in the BIOS and change the multiplier to 42, save and exit. Boot into windows, monitor your temps and run a quick stress test in Prime95 to check for errors and what not.
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September 5, 2012 3:04:29 AM

Quote: "Budget is 900 dollars, 950 max.
I live in Florida.
I'm not entirely comfortable overclocking, because this is my first time building a pc and I've never done it before. But having the option open is nice. Either way, I don't wanna do major OC on the cpu. Maybe 1-2 ghz later on but not enough to have to buy an aftermarket cooler.
I will not be going crossfire. In the very distant future maybe, but that would be a very long time from now so buying a crossfire ready motherboard isn't necessary.
I don't need peripherals. I have a 1080p tv with hdmi, a mouse, keyboard, and speakers". Based on what you said OP i think Why_Me listened and did what you asked for so his build get's my vote even though it's not complete lol.
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September 5, 2012 3:08:22 AM

DeusAres said:
Here's my recommendation...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.30 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($317.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $920.57
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-04 22:52 EDT-0400)

Feel free to lower the price some. This is pretty much the highest end build you can get at your budget. I would consider saving some cash however, and go with a HD 7870.

Also, overclocking is very simple and entirely worth it. Seriously, all you do is go in the BIOS and change the multiplier to 42, save and exit. Boot into windows, monitor your temps and run a quick stress test in Prime95 to check for errors and what not.
This is a good build on your budget as well :) 
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September 5, 2012 3:19:56 AM

TheScarecrow97 said:
Budget is 900 dollars, 950 max.
I live in Florida.
I'm not entirely comfortable overclocking, because this is my first time building a pc and I've never done it before. But having the option open is nice. Either way, I don't wanna do major OC on the cpu. Maybe 1-2 ghz later on but not enough to have to buy an aftermarket cooler.
I will not be going crossfire. In the very distant future maybe, but that would be a very long time from now so buying a crossfire ready motherboard isn't necessary.
I don't need peripherals. I have a 1080p tv with hdmi, a mouse, keyboard, and speakers.
You don't overclock period without a aftermarket cooler only noobs do such things then they cry wolf when they burn up the cpu :na:  ;) 
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September 5, 2012 3:24:04 AM

DeusAres said:
Here's my recommendation...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.30 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($317.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $920.57
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-04 22:52 EDT-0400)

Feel free to lower the price some. This is pretty much the highest end build you can get at your budget. I would consider saving some cash however, and go with a HD 7870.

Also, overclocking is very simple and entirely worth it. Seriously, all you do is go in the BIOS and change the multiplier to 42, save and exit. Boot into windows, monitor your temps and run a quick stress test in Prime95 to check for errors and what not.


Thank you! That looks very good. I think I'm gonna go with that. Upon further research, the 660 ti beats the 7950 in many areas, sometimes even by a very large margin, especially at lower resolutions like 1080p. I think I might go with that for 300 bucks. But other than that, that looks like a great build to me :) 
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September 5, 2012 3:24:19 AM

Best answer selected by TheScarecrow97.
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September 5, 2012 3:26:07 AM

TheScarecrow97 said:
Thank you! That looks very good. I think I'm gonna go with that. Upon further research, the 660 ti beats the 7950 in many areas, sometimes even by a very large margin, especially at lower resolutions like 1080p. I think I might go with that for 300 bucks. But other than that, that looks like a great build to me :) 


Actually the HD 7950 holds it's own against the GTX 660 Ti...especially once it's overclocked.

Here's some BF3 benchmarks...

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_66...

Also, if you do go with the HD 7950, I recommend the following version...

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100352VXSR Radeon HD 7950 3GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 5, 2012 3:32:13 AM

Yeah the 7950 and 660 TI trade blows get's whatever is cheaper read the links i posted other professional reliable trust worthy review sites besides TH consistently have the GTX 660 Ti beating a 7950 at 1920 resolution.
These results on TH are skewed versus other websites.I don't believe TH results are correct.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...

Quote:
"As it stands, AMD’s position correctly reflects their performance; the GTX 660 Ti is a solid and relatively consistent 10-15% faster than the 7870, while the 7950 is anywhere between a bit faster to a bit slower depending on what benchmarks you favor. Of course when talking about the 7950 the “anything but equal” maxim still applies here, if not more so than with the GTX 670. The GTX 660 Ti is anywhere 50% ahead of the 7950 and 25% behind it, and everywhere in between."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...
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September 5, 2012 3:35:52 AM

I dunno, I just lean towards the HD 7950 for some reason. I like the larger memory bus. The card just seems far more stable overall. It also excels in GPGPU computing tasks.

Perhaps I'm just being a fanboy. idk :lol: 
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September 5, 2012 3:37:24 AM

DeusAres said:
I dunno, I just lean towards the HD 7950 for some reason. I like the larger memory bus. The card just seems far more stable overall. It also excels in GPGPU computing tasks.

Perhaps I'm just being a fanboy. idk :lol: 
:lol:  no i don't think your a fanboy based on your reasons for getting 7950 it would be a better choice. ;) 
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September 5, 2012 7:32:03 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Yeah the 7950 and 660 TI trade blows get's whatever is cheaper read the links i posted other professional reliable trust worthy review sites besides TH consistently have the GTX 660 Ti beating a 7950 at 1920 resolution.
These results on TH are skewed versus other websites.I don't believe TH results are correct.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...

Quote:
"As it stands, AMD’s position correctly reflects their performance; the GTX 660 Ti is a solid and relatively consistent 10-15% faster than the 7870, while the 7950 is anywhere between a bit faster to a bit slower depending on what benchmarks you favor. Of course when talking about the 7950 the “anything but equal” maxim still applies here, if not more so than with the GTX 670. The GTX 660 Ti is anywhere 50% ahead of the 7950 and 25% behind it, and everywhere in between."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...



if you look at the techpowerup results closely, a reference 7950 is better than the reference 660ti, (change the standings to amds official 900 mhz reference then it is a bit higher). Its unfair competition to compare an aftermarket card to the reference clock, which most tests do. So all in all, toms testings could be slightly skewed, but techpowerups actually supports that the 7950 is actually better looking down to the serious point.

picture in question



if one wants to look deeper into anandtechs testings, essentially of the games they tested, both cards tend to hit over 60 fps, with the 660ti leading of course in nvidia based games like bf3. But what makes the 7950 a better contender is that is overall better due to one game, Crysis, which IMO, overall minimum fps in all games is much more important than fps past 60 in the other games
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September 5, 2012 7:46:00 AM

dudewitbow said:
if you look at the techpowerup results closely, a reference 7950 is better than the reference 660ti, (change the standings to amds official 900 mhz reference then it is a bit higher). Its unfair competition to compare an aftermarket card to the reference clock, which most tests do. So all in all, toms testings could be slightly skewed, but techpowerups actually supports that the 7950 is actually better looking down to the serious point.

picture in question

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/images/perfrel_1920.gif

if one wants to look deeper into anandtechs testings, essentially of the games they tested, both cards tend to hit over 60 fps, with the 660ti leading of course in nvidia based games like bf3. But what makes the 7950 a better contender is that is overall better due to one game, Crysis, which IMO, overall minimum fps in all games is much more important than fps past 60 in the other games
That's why i mentioned get which ever is cheaper ;)  and you make a good point it's not fair to compare an aftermarket card to the reference clock for me the 7950 would only be the better card for the larger memory bus and high res monitors and if you needed GPGPU otherwise i don't feel there any reason to buy it if you can get 660 TI cheaper.
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September 5, 2012 8:02:33 AM

dudewitbow said:
if you look at the techpowerup results closely, a reference 7950 is better than the reference 660ti, (change the standings to amds official 900 mhz reference then it is a bit higher). Its unfair competition to compare an aftermarket card to the reference clock, which most tests do. So all in all, toms testings could be slightly skewed, but techpowerups actually supports that the 7950 is actually better looking down to the serious point.

picture in question

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/images/perfrel_1920.gif

if one wants to look deeper into anandtechs testings, essentially of the games they tested, both cards tend to hit over 60 fps, with the 660ti leading of course in nvidia based games like bf3. But what makes the 7950 a better contender is that is overall better due to one game, Crysis, which IMO, overall minimum fps in all games is much more important than fps past 60 in the other games
Yeah honestly it's to complex and why i am considering leaving this forum There are a few issues: 1) People make claims without backing it up with proof, 2) People make blanket statements, when the reality is that certain games favor certain hardware, 3) People make a few FPS advantage seem like a "win", when it usually falls within the margin of error and makes no difference in terms of performance 4.)To many fanboys on either team tired of wasting hours on end argue with that team green team red non sense people need to grow up and help each person to which card is best for their uses rather it be a amd card or a nvidia card members need to quit sipping that red/green kool aid so hard i am sick of it f that fanboy stuff get right!BTW none of this is directed or meant towards you.
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