Gay marraige...

I'm not always in agreement with your posts and your opinions, but I have to say, this is very well said and I totally agree.

Well done Ksoth!

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Umm...was that humor at me or you really meant it? Cuz if so, what the hell did I say for you to disagree on?

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I discussed this with my wife and my friend this last Friday night over a few Rum & Diet Pepsi's... They both maintained that the gays are ruining the sanctity of marriage. They basically said let them live together, let them have health care together, let them have a legal binding document, but call it a partnership, not a marriage...

I told them they were messed in the head (didn't go over too well with the wife!!!)

That's my opinions on it... Let them have the slip of paper that says they are married... They aren't banned from living together happily for the rest of their lives, so give them the damn title.

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Marriage is a union between two people. Whether it's between a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and woman the only people I see complaining about it are people who want to control other peoples actions and views.
I don't think the government should have any say in a persons right to lifesytle and religion choices. Everyone pays taxes.
People have the basic right to be happy. If a person is happy to be with another person of the same sex I don't have any right to say what they are doing is wrong.
If the people who are against gay rights could achieve self actualization they wouldn't be concerned with controlling the actions of others.

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Call me old-fashioned, but I have to say that, for me, marriage is between a man and a woman. I still see gay partnership as an alternative lifestyle, but it's one that I support. I can't however say that I'm in favour of gay marriages.

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It depends on what the local law says. If it defines marriage as between a man and woman, then gays should not be allowed to be married. They can either change the law, or add a new law recognizing gay unions, giving them the same rights as hetero marriages, but keeping them seperate.

I for one don't really care either way, but they definitely should have some way of at least making a legal bond like everyone else.

Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.

very well said starbucksaddict

i agree totally.

firstly nearly all christian celebrations are adaptions of celtic celebrations, such as easter for example. the dates of celebration, the egg, and the bunny are symbols of harvest and not of christianity at all, converted paigan holidays LOL)


marrige is another thing i think has tried to be OWNED by certain religions, for example all cultrues have different rules on it, such as 7 wives, man/woman, must be done when you are 12, choosen from birth who you will marry etc...

which culture is correct and right in the matter??

and what about a new culture that thinks gay marrige is ok, does this new culture have less value than the old culture.


i know many gay people, the influencial people were, my physics teacher, my chemistry teacher, both my PE teachers, and my vice principal.

basicly all of these people had stronger and longer lasting relationships than most straight people. divorce rates in hetrosexual relationships are what is really threatening the sanctity of marrige, tis got nothing to do with who gets married, but who cancels the marrige.


my physics teacher and his partner seem to have an increadibly strong relationship. and the two pe teachers were partners for a long time.



if it bothers you so much then why not go beat up everyone who gets a divorce also.


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of course but the only problem is im not moving out of the south and there are no states down here that promote that...

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I don't think I've ever wrote anything that suggests I am not accepting of gays. Of course, I make fun of them, but I make fun of everyone and it's all in jest.

I'm a bit wierded out by those people that are SUPER-GAY, but oh well...

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No matter how pro I am for gay rights, I also don't like flamboyants. Then again, my teacher is right, no matter what the attributes or caracteristics of someone are, you can NEVER tell they are gay or not. Some extremely flamboyant men are straight. Perry Pharrel of Jane's Addiction looks very flamboyant, not to mention his frail voice, yet he is married to a woman.

A real gay person can't be told from a straight man unless he explicitly shows his love or admits it.

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i was yanking your crank while
you were tanking a wank


LOL i was F'in wid ya eden


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Well..I guess you could probably categorize me as a religious conservative. The bible describes a lot of things that are wrong apart from being gay. I sometimes lie, or steal...little things I assure you, but "sins" nonetheless. Nobody, however, is trying to deny me a legal status enjoyed by someone else because of my "sins". In my mind I can't bring myself to deny a gay couple marriage because what I believe they are doing is morally wrong. It would be hypocritical of me. Also, seeing how happy the new "couples" were after they were married had a big effect on me...I can't help feeling compassion for them. Oh well...Someone here raised a good point as well, about the sanctity of marriage probably suffers more, or at least equally, at the hands of irresponsible Heterosexuals. Just my two cents.

If an argument can't be settled in one or two paragraphs, perhaps you're anal and should just let it go...

Not all states have common law marraige. I don't know which ones do, but California does not have common law.

I think getting rid of marraige, or devaluing it to please a tiny fraction of the population is absurd.

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It's true lesbos are often less attractive. The whole butch effect.

Also, I didn't know Quebec was this open minded. I was expecting a more conservative response.

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Why does this position not surprise me?

Question is where these values are derived from. In many countries (may also apply to the US) there are separate procedures for civil/state marriage, and church marriage, and one can have a church marriage next to the civil one.

In terms of the law and what your rights and duties are in a marriage this should be open to all. Now if a church does not condone gay relationships in marriage (on religious grounds) then a church is free to refuse gays for the church ceremony (and gays are free to join another church that may let them in).

Bottom line, a marriage does not only have a religous significance, it has a civil legal status which should be accessible for all. The two (church and state) should not be confused. I believe this confusion between state and church is something that concerns you in relation to islamic countries, is it not, dhlucke? So do not make the same mistake here.

Apologies to the forum if this reply is too serious. I'm really trying to be a good boy.

ps: why is it so tough to spell the word "marriage" right? or are there more spellings allowed?


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Gays & marriage???? Call them what they are "Freaks Of Nature". It's unnatural, a moral, & something as a society that is sick & shouldn't be condoned!! It's tearing the very moral fiber out of this country & makes me sick!!!

I've been married 34 years this April. My Dad was married 43 years before he died. We both raised our children, we're committed to our children & honored the Family that we are such a very important pat of & our lives. People that don't have that don't have much in this world. I for one will not stand idly by & see my commitments disparaged & cheapened by people that have the same choice as I do. They can marry a person of the opposite sex, just as I can. They already have the right to marriage that I do. I don't need to sanction sick peoples attitudes & cheapen my own morality by there actions. I don't want gays around any of my children & grandchildren. They'll know the difference, I'll see to that.

As far a divorce has torn down the sanctity of marriage, that's a laugh. I see form the threads here, young people don't have the guts, self respect for there kids or them selves to stick it out in a marriage. If I don't like it, I'll get a divorce, who cares??? That is a sad fact, in it self that needs to be taken care of. Tell that to the child that doesn't have a mother or father living with them.

No marriage takes commitment, hard work, & a lot of learning & changing along the way. I'd say most don't have it in them now. I've seen this factor change 180 deg.s in my life time & it's wrong!! The liberals have caused this to happen for the last 30 years. The pendulum is swinging the other way now. Took 30 years to get here, It will take years to swing back, but it's coming back. If it doesn't, were all condemned to hell on earth here, Sodom & Gamora comes to mind.

You young guys, get some balls. Stand up for what's moral & right. Make a life long commitment to your spouse & future Family. The joys & pleasures will be heaped upon you. Give in to modern thinking & live alone & selfish, never to know the true joys of life. It's your choice, but you'll have to live with the choice make!!

My $.02 on it!!




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I agree with you on your view of marriage. BUT:

The law must not discriminate on <i>any</i> basis. Once you have different rules for one set of "Freaks Of Nature", it could easily lead to widespread discrimination of just about everyone. Old people, ethnic minorities, religious movements, etc. etc. No one would want that.

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Well RC, my brother, I totally Agree, I got your back on this one son!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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I meant personally, but you can say christian marriage. I've been brought up in a christian country with christian traditions, and I share the christian philosphy on marriage.

Marriage from the point of view of the law is a completly different thing however. The law must be universal if we are to have any semblance of a functioning society.


P.S. Maybe we should call it "state union" or some other name besides marriage. So people stop confusing the two.

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Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

Gays do not want to tear apart (your) marriage. They want to be recognized with the same rights and obligations as put forward by law. Your marriage is not special in that regard. In the christian way it may differ. That is why you have separate ceremonies for them (if you live in a country where there is separation of common law and church law).

And with regard to conceiving in a petri dish, if you agree with heterosexuals doing that, it should be allowed to homosexuals too. A moral discussion about whether artificial insemination is a good idea or not is something else, please do not confuse it with equal rights for all people.

The idea of equal rights for all people is not that modern. I believe it is one of the fundaments of US law (french law as well btw, you guys borrowed that part from them).

ps: Aids is primarily a heterosexual propagated disease in most parts of the world, there is no evidence whatsoever that it started out as a homosexual disease, the evidence that is there suggests the opposite. Granted, in the US and Europe it had a large manifestation in the gay community.


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I'm not disagreeing with you, but the law should not cover covenants. A marriage from the point of view of the law is a way of defining a legal entity: the couple. It has nothing to do with any moral or sacred issues. It's all about things like legal rights when one person dies, tax issues etc.

Put it this way: if a priest were to marry two men I would be outraged to the deepest. But if a lawyer gives them a paper saying they have the same legal rights as anyone else... does'nt move me one way or the other.


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That's right. The have's & haven't's, the is & isn't's. The haven't's & isn't's have a way of making up gray areas to justify themselves to the haves & iss. It's just a smoke screen to not have to live up to the right thing or a moral yardstick.. I don't buy any of it myself!!!




Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

Interesting you bring that up 4ryan6. Actually much more interesting than the gay debate.

Current research is being done to determine whether you can predict who is more susceptible to drug addiction because of physiological differences.

In effect it can be a very fundamental discussion on what the actual amount of free will is available to people. Can a murderer help himself? Was it a choice to kill? There are very ill people in this world than do not have that choice.

In general, being an optimist at heart, I am also a strong believer in many areas of choice. However, in being gay or not, sorry. Science has beat you to it there. The world is not black and white and usually it will be combination of human susceptibility and your own personal choice that will determine whether you are an addict (to drugs, or to posting on a forum) or can control your habits.



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