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300-500 High School Student Build (1st Build)

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September 5, 2012 9:30:41 PM

I've got 100 more in my budget now, thankfully. With this extra money I've got a few more options. My priorities are the same. I'd like to be able to multitask as well as run stuff like LoL at 60 fps. I'll be doing some light programming as well. I've got a few builds planned out. I still don't need a graphics card; I'm only playing LoL.

Edit: I realized I put the i5 3450. I meant 3570K :p 

Plan A (Intel)

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gB2g
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gB2g/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gB2g/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor Intel HD 4000 ($189.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z68A-G43 (B3) ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($82.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $452.48
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-05 17:26 EDT-0400)

Plan B (AMD)

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gzgu*
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gzgu/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gzgu/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Trinity A10 5700, not yet released. Quad Core, will OC to 4 ghz. Integrated 6670HD equivalent (150-ish)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Socket FM2 MOBO, not yet released (70-80 ish dollars, USB 3.0 compatible)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $420-ish
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-05 17:26 EDT-0400)

*part lists and benchmarks are based on the current Llano A8 APU, which I will not be buying.

I've seen videos of the i5 3450 playing LoL on its IGP @ 60 FPS at a medium resolution on high settings. This would be all the graphics performance I need, but the A10's IGP that's said to be the equivalent of a 6670 is very tempting. If I go with the i5, I'd save up for a GTX 5x0 ti, which I think would be a better choice in the long run. Also, if I'm going for a moderately quiet build, will I need to buy more fans, or perhaps get a better case, such as the R4? Will 430W of power be enough? I expect to multitask, but not more than a few applications at a time (i.e, 10 tabs on a browser, LoL, and Visual Studio)

September 5, 2012 10:38:12 PM

Consider reading this article. Don't laugh at the title, but it really is a good read.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/child-game-pc-build...

AMD has the best built in graphics hands down, however, for a little bit you can get a better dedicated card. Below are just some random comments from my brain.
- Use a Z75 or Z77 motherboard for an ivy bridge CPU such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- Consider this PSU since you don't need a MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Consider cheaper memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- Consider a cheaper CPU like an i3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- get a video card that is better than onboard and will get you a little performance http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- stick with the hard drive you chose

I put all those items on Newegg, except the hard drive and it ends up around $520 with some shipping. There were also a few rebates so I'm probably around $500.
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September 5, 2012 10:46:37 PM

jay2tall said:
Consider reading this article. Don't laugh at the title, but it really is a good read.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/child-game-pc-build...

AMD has the best built in graphics hands down, however, for a little bit you can get a better dedicated card. Below are just some random comments from my brain.
- Use a Z75 or Z77 motherboard for an ivy bridge CPU such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- Consider this PSU since you don't need a MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Consider cheaper memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- Consider a cheaper CPU like an i3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- get a video card that is better than onboard and will get you a little performance http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- stick with the hard drive you chose

I put all those items on Newegg, except the hard drive and it ends up around $520 with some shipping. There were also a few rebates so I'm probably around $500.


Wow, thanks for the link to that PSU! Sweet deal.

15 dollars for 1866 Mhz is worth it, imo. I'm hoping it'll serve me well in the long run. Is there a big difference?

I'm not getting a GPU, yet

I'm afraid the i3 won't be enough in the long run

I'll look into a better motherboard. Will it run faster? What is the logic behind this? I know nothing about MOBO's haha

I've read that article LOL
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September 5, 2012 10:50:11 PM

If you get Trinity, I'd get 1866, since the GPU also uses that memory as well. For what you're doing, get the A10.
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September 5, 2012 11:09:21 PM

The memory won't really matter with an intel unless you are doing some high overclocking. But like mentioned above if you go with AMD you want the faster RAM for video. As said above, the A10 would suit you well, especially if you aren't upgrading video. If you have every intention of getting a dedicated video card, I would stick with intel, even if it's an i3. If you are running alot of apps simultaneously or have apps that you know perform much better with a quad core, then by all means stick with that. If you intend to game, most games will run fine on an I3, but I'd put the money into a video card rather than upgrading to an i5. It's ALL in what you want.

As far as motherboards in the z75/z77 models they are all going to perform pretty much the same. It's all about features and what you want on the board. Just compare the ports and built one features.
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September 5, 2012 11:28:49 PM

well the i3 only has an HD 2500, so

idk if that will handle LoL at a medium resolution at 60 fps

i'd like a pretty quiet system. would the fractal/nzxt be enough?
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September 5, 2012 11:47:10 PM

HD 2500 will play it at probably 30-40FPS. The A10 has a lot better bang for your buck.
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September 5, 2012 11:49:41 PM

something to keep in mind, my monitor resolution is like 1600 something by 1000 something. i think 16:9. its considered a low-ish average resolution compared to all the full hd monitors nowadays. will the HD 2500 run LoL @ 60 fps on a lower resolution? im willing to lower settings to 1280x1080 for 60 fps, if need be.

i'll think about getting the a10. but it benchmarks at like, sandy bridge i5 level. which is pretty good though. i'll have to think on that.

again, should i get a better case? im thinking of going for a fractal r3 atm. corsair prices are too high, and fractal has a good reputation for quiet cases. the h2 would be better, but i just don't like the h2. personal preference. i'd like a case that i wouldn't be able to hear from 7 feet away.
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September 5, 2012 11:57:03 PM

jay2tall said:
The memory won't really matter with an intel unless you are doing some high overclocking. But like mentioned above if you go with AMD you want the faster RAM for video. As said above, the A10 would suit you well, especially if you aren't upgrading video. If you have every intention of getting a dedicated video card, I would stick with intel, even if it's an i3. If you are running alot of apps simultaneously or have apps that you know perform much better with a quad core, then by all means stick with that. If you intend to game, most games will run fine on an I3, but I'd put the money into a video card rather than upgrading to an i5. It's ALL in what you want.

As far as motherboards in the z75/z77 models they are all going to perform pretty much the same. It's all about features and what you want on the board. Just compare the ports and built one features.

If you are not planning to ever overclock with an Intel build, you could save some money and simply get an H77 such as this:
ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This mobo would be fine for either the i3 or i5.

My opinion (for what its worth): Get the A10. It would be the best at meeting your needs.
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September 6, 2012 12:05:06 AM

okay, now that we've established i'd be best off with the a10, should i get a better case? i'm still like 50 bucks under my budget cap lol

if the core 3000 is quiet, i'll go with that. if not, i can upgrade the case to an r3.
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