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July 18, 2012 11:09:14 PM

The most i would be playing would be minecraft and probably gta. I'm getting a i5-3570k. Could it work? I know amd's integrated is better, but my budget right now is maxed. I'll pick up a gpu when they go on sale during thanksgiving or so.

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a c 198 U Graphics card
July 18, 2012 11:14:31 PM

GTA is not going to be happy with you using the integrated. Did you already buy all your parts? You can switch some to save some money and get a full build going.
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July 18, 2012 11:26:51 PM

yea GTA is going to choke or not even work with integrated GPU's
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a c 291 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 12:00:57 AM

Depends on which GTA. If it's anything below 4, it will work.
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July 19, 2012 1:33:41 AM

I'm trying to get a build under $900. I'll be playing the latest GTA.

So far, I have
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0
$99.99



ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
124.99


SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3)) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD ...
$139.99


Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD $229.99


Mushkin Enhanced Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory $59.99


Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$119.99


ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$19.99


COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 E
$19.99

TOTAL: $830

I know what your thinking. No i won't buy a crappy video card for $60.
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 1:53:28 AM

Then just wait it out until you get some more money.

It looks like you want your end PC to be made of good quality parts. See if you can get a freebie or cheapy from a friend to get you by until you can get something good.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 2:01:53 AM

Drop the PSU and CPU down some. Pick up a better GPU.
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a c 198 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 2:02:51 AM

If you want you can edit the build a bit, taking a i3-2120 in place of the 3570 and putting a better card. But the 3570K is a good buy as well.
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July 19, 2012 2:11:40 AM

I'm dead set on getting the 3570k and the psu. I think I'll be willing to change the case. It's just I can't find a visually appealing case at a decent price.
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a c 198 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 2:21:58 AM

Personally I'd have a balanced system over a power CPU with no card.

See if any of your buddies has an old card lying around. Like an 8800GT or something.
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July 19, 2012 2:31:39 AM

I've got an old quadro. But thats a workstation card. Could that even work?
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a c 198 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 2:35:12 AM

It would probably do better than the integrated depending on what Quadro it is
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 2:40:40 AM

Change the PSU to a TX 650 and the CPU to a I5 2500k or lower I5. you don't need a high end CPU if your only doing mine craft or GTA 4 or other "Mid/low end " games. Your GPU could be a GT 640 or a AMD 7750 and you be able to do 1080p with GTA and Mine craft. Now if you want Somthing a little better your gonna have to shift a few more of your parts. If your not willing i agree Lycros, just wait it out a little longer. Or... ask around for a temporary part until you can get a replacement
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July 19, 2012 3:33:03 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cv15 Just add the optical drive and should be right around $850 after rebates (about $895 without) without the cpu cooler, which you can drop for now,unless you plan on overclocking soon. The CPU will do just fine with the stock cooler and you can always add an aftermarket heatsink later. This, in my opinion, is the best build for the price. Just wait for someone else to confirm the parts, and you should be good to go.
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 6:01:28 AM

Just wait until you get more money, especially if you're wanting those higher end parts like seasonic psu and 3570k. Although it might be tough to wait for a GPU, you wouldn't want to regret "settling" for cheaper parts.
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July 19, 2012 7:38:58 AM

Switch the case:

Antec Three Hundred Two USB 3.0: $ 69,99
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-Z77M-D3H $ 114,99
PSU: Antec HCG-400 80Plus Bronze $ 69,99
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K $ 229.99
Memory: Mushkin Radioactive 2x4GB $ 45,99
HDD: WDD Caviar blue 750GB $ 84,99
DVD: LiteOn DVD Burner $ 17,99
CPU Cooler STOCK!

Total before mail-in rebates: $633,93

GPU: EVGA Geforce 560Ti $244,99

Setup with GPU before rebates: $878,92

If possible maybe stretch the budget and get a GTX670 or ATI equivalent.

Even if you plan to overclock a small boost in CPU won't require a cooler.
They can easily overclock 600Mhz at least on stock voltage.

PSU is overkill... Unless your planning to do SLI or Xfire but with your budget I don't think so ;) 
(I'm running a SLI GTX670 on 550w Platinum power supply ;)  trust me!)

Case: Antec 302 is a bit smaller but very sturdy and nice case. One of my favorites.

Memory: Just to save a few $$$ because it won't make a big difference anyhow.

HDD: Do you really need a 1TB HDD? You can always upgrade to more space if you want, so why not start with 750GB? Save $$$

PSU: 400W is plenty for a complete setup with videocard. My old overclocked Q6600 (power hungry) and 8800GTX only used 250W under 100% load (furmark and prime) So I doubt that you will need more than 400 with a 560Ti or GTX670.

Good luck :)  !
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a c 175 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 11:57:01 AM

400W might seem like enough,but when spending that much I'd rather have something with more power. An OC'd IB CPU might draw around 100W. If he ever upgrades to a 7970 or GTX680, then you need another 300W not counting any OCing of the GPU. Toss in 50W for board, ram, and drives and a 4GHz IB quad and 7970 system is easily around 350. 400W is fine for stock or no add on GPU, but if you are going to be running more then that then 450 or 500W is a better idea.
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a c 363 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 12:12:27 PM

See following video which show how well (or poorly) the Intel HD 4000 does in GTA 4 - The Lost and Damned benchmark. The resolution is set to 1280 x 720 with medium settings.

Translated from German...

Draw Distance = 25
Detailed Distance = 31
Vehicle Distance - 51

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aizrSZ3Zr70&feature=resu...
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July 19, 2012 1:22:19 PM

4745454b said:
400W might seem like enough,but when spending that much I'd rather have something with more power. An OC'd IB CPU might draw around 100W. If he ever upgrades to a 7970 or GTX680, then you need another 300W not counting any OCing of the GPU. Toss in 50W for board, ram, and drives and a 4GHz IB quad and 7970 system is easily around 350. 400W is fine for stock or no add on GPU, but if you are going to be running more then that then 450 or 500W is a better idea.


What part don't you understand. It is enough. Get off your high horse will you.

I run a Xigmatek Elysium case with:
- 11 fans (6x140mm 2x120mm 2x200mm and 1x80mm all LED)
- Overclocked Sandy Bridge @ 4,5ghz
- Sound blaster Fatality X-Fi Titanium
- 1 WD raptor 300GB, 2x WD 640GB, 1x WD green 1TB, 1x Samsung F3 500GB
- 2x Geforce GTX670 OC'd in SLI
- Gigabyte Z68 UD3 BH3 mobo

All of a Super Flower Platinum PSU (550W)
Load: 510W ;)  (and single card 315W Total system power consumption)
Idle: 114W

What part of my text don't you understand 4745454b????????????????????????
I'm tired of those overkill builds with 1k power supplies.
Here is some advice, if you don't know what you are talking about then read and listen carefully.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 2:20:16 PM

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What part don't you understand. It is enough. Get off your high horse will you.


Anger much? No high horse. Just saying I'd get something bigger then 400W. Modern GPUs can use over half that, leaving little for CPU and anything else. Speaking of reading carefully, where did I say 1kW was needed? Quote it if you can. I never said that much power. I know exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to PSUs. I wouldn't run your 550 on your setup either. 40W buffer? Only if you want your PSU to die early. 600/650W would be a better idea so that its not running at nearly 100% while gaming.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
July 19, 2012 5:00:23 PM

First, I never suggested a 750W or 1kW. Second, PSUs are most efficient at 50-75% of its output. Just because you can run your 510W rig on a 550W PSU doesn't make it a good idea. Not in the short term where the efficiency would be lower then if you were using a 650W PSU, and not in the long term where running a PSU that close to its max could shorten its life. And don't even get me started on the anger...

Yes, a 400W Antec HCG will power the system just fine. But its currently $70 shipped on newegg right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could get the Antec 500Green. $74 shipped, but you get more PCIe plugs and 444W on the 12V rails instead of 360. (Looking at the HCG I can't believe Antec gave it a 30A 12V rail and only ONE 6pin PCIe plug.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There is also the Seasonic modular 520 for the same $70. It has even more power available at 480W. And its modular.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Not saying the HCG can't run it. But if spending $70 it's a poor choice with only 30A, and a single 6 pin PCIe plug.
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July 19, 2012 7:44:32 PM

Well I've cut some parts and I'm down to 770. With no video card yet. Any suggestions in what I should get?
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a c 175 U Graphics card
July 20, 2012 1:17:13 AM

$900 - $770 = 130 for GPU? Best option is going to be the 6850 or 7770. Not the greatest of cards but should be ok for games.
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July 20, 2012 7:02:56 AM

It's not like I'll be doing any rendering or video editing anyways. I guess I'll be looking for the cheapest gpu then huh?
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a c 175 U Graphics card
July 20, 2012 7:05:49 AM

Not if you want to be gaming. Gaming needs a strong GPU. If you want to make your games look good then you need to spend that $130 on a GPU.
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July 20, 2012 10:40:16 AM

4745454b said:
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What part don't you understand. It is enough. Get off your high horse will you.


Anger much? No high horse. Just saying I'd get something bigger then 400W. Modern GPUs can use over half that, leaving little for CPU and anything else. Speaking of reading carefully, where did I say 1kW was needed? Quote it if you can. I never said that much power. I know exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to PSUs. I wouldn't run your 550 on your setup either. 40W buffer? Only if you want your PSU to die early. 600/650W would be a better idea so that its not running at nearly 100% while gaming.



Comprehend much? I never said you advised a 1kW PSU.
My PSU can spend a long lifetime working at 120% so that's not the problem.

However I do like your choice of the Seasonic Modular 520W
They are rock solid PSU's.
And it leaves room to have a power hungry GPU & Overclocking.
I don't think with the budget the OP has that he plans on adding a very-high end GPU. Later.


Allthough I don't think that it will matter for the longetivity of the PSU.

What I still don't know if he needs all the Harddrive space.
We can probably use that money to stick in a better Graphics card.



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Maybe i should have gone with a 750w PSU??
You are becoming very intollerable and immature.
If you are angry, i suggest go have some sex (if applicable) or unwind with a warm cuppa.
No need for the melodramatic idiocy here.


Speak for yourself.




foshizz said:
Well I've cut some parts and I'm down to 770. With no video card yet. Any suggestions in what I should get?


What does your partlist look like now? What parts have you 'cut'?
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a c 175 U Graphics card
July 20, 2012 2:32:13 PM

Not direct, but definitely implied.

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What part of my text don't you understand 4745454b????????????????????????
I'm tired of those overkill builds with 1k power supplies.


Current parts list is a good idea. Helps us see where you are at and what else might be able to be changed.
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July 20, 2012 5:48:48 PM

The difference between 500 gb and 1tb is 10$, i think I'll go with the 1 tb.

I've cut my case and I think I might go with this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It only comes with 1 stock fan, but has mounts for 5. It will have exceptional cooling. Plus, it's only 45$. I'm still open to any reccomendations to cases or 100-120$ gpus.
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December 28, 2012 3:35:11 AM

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December 28, 2012 3:35:27 AM

Got a 7770 :) 
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a c 169 U Graphics card
December 28, 2012 9:58:34 AM

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