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January 22, 2013 1:18:44 AM

should i go with amd or intel? ill be gaming and doing a little bit of video editing. i hav a radeon 7950 already, 750 watt psu, i just need to decide on an i5 3570k or fx8350,

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January 22, 2013 1:34:19 AM

Whoa there. Hold on.

Most games don't use many cores so the 8350's core count isn't an advantage in most gaming.

And just comparing clock speeds doesn't work either because the i5 get's more done per core, per clock cycle, than the 8350.

For gaming, the i5 is generally better than the 8350. Although the "noticability" of the difference varies from game to game.

If you intend to do more gaming than video editing, go with the i5.

The only reason(s) I would go with the 8350 would be if I intended to do more editing than gaming/ or budgetary reasons.
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January 22, 2013 1:52:23 AM

Seen the fx perform barely worse or slightly better than the i5 in gaming, and since ud be doing video editing, i say go 8350, as its just as powerful as the i5, and gives u the option to video edit. Why get just gaming performance when u can get both?
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January 22, 2013 1:52:47 AM

thanks ive decided to go witht he fx 8350 for gaming, its a steal for 200 bucks getting a sabertooth or crosshair 5 to go with it
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January 22, 2013 1:55:58 AM

Z1NONLY said:
Whoa there. Hold on.

Most games don't use many cores so the 8350's core count isn't an advantage in most gaming.

And just comparing clock speeds doesn't work either because the i5 get's more done per core, per clock cycle, than the 8350.

For gaming, the i5 is generally better than the 8350. Although the "noticability" of the difference varies from game to game.

If you intend to do more gaming than video editing, go with the i5.

The only reason(s) I would go with the 8350 would be if I intended to do more editing than gaming/ or budgetary reasons.


Help me understand,
How do you determine how much faster cycles get done in the i5 than in another processor?
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January 22, 2013 2:00:29 AM

jhansen said:
Help me understand,
How do you determine how much faster cycles get done in the i5 than in another processor?


test gaming fps with different processors, test single thread benchmarks
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January 22, 2013 2:00:56 AM

the Crosshair V has many features for overclocking, and other features the sabertooth doesnt, but it has the TUF stuff and other things but if money isnt a major option, which usually the sabertooth is great, id say the crosshair V just because its republic of gamers
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January 22, 2013 10:09:53 AM

jhansen said:
Help me understand,
How do you determine how much faster cycles get done in the i5 than in another processor?

Single-core benchmarks vs clock speeds.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=701

Notice the first pass x246 numbers, single core cinebench single thread numbers etc. (both 10 and 11.5)


The i5 wins even though it's running at a lower clock speed.

The fps in most games is better too. (Although how noticeable "better" is in actual use will vary)

OP, The 8350 is a solid CPU.

It's not as fast for gaming but probably "close enough" in most cases. And once you start using multi-threaded applications like video editing, it's even better than an i5.

Enjoy.


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January 22, 2013 2:12:05 PM

Z1NONLY said:
Single-core benchmarks vs clock speeds.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=701

Notice the first pass x246 numbers, single core cinebench single thread numbers etc. (both 10 and 11.5)


The i5 wins even though it's running at a lower clock speed.

The fps in most games is better too. (Although how noticeable "better" is in actual use will vary)

OP, The 8350 is a solid CPU.

It's not as fast for gaming but probably "close enough" in most cases. And once you start using multi-threaded applications like video editing, it's even better than an i5.

Enjoy.


the fx 8350 can handle any game with ease, alot of people are told intel because there not tech savy and they just pick intel because thats what there friend told them. the 8350 gives the i7 a run for its money so the 8350 is a clear winner for 200 bucks, i wouldnt settle for 4 cores anyway despite not many games using more then 4 at the moment
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January 22, 2013 3:02:43 PM

spazzard said:
the fx 8350 can handle any game with ease, alot of people are told intel because there not tech savy and they just pick intel because thats what there friend told them. the 8350 gives the i7 a run for its money so the 8350 is a clear winner for 200 bucks, i wouldnt settle for 4 cores anyway despite not many games using more then 4 at the moment



What?

The i5 really does get better fps in most games. (Unless you think all the benchmark websites are just making this stuff up?)

Do you think their friends told them to fabricate the results of the tests?

Your focus on core count is a bad idea.

The important factors are:

What do you want to do with the CPU?

And what is the price/performance ratio for each CPU when it comes to the things you want to do with the chip?

An Opterons with 16 cores would get its @$$ kicked by the 4-core i5 in gaming.
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January 22, 2013 3:09:40 PM

Z1NONLY said:
What?

The i5 really does get better fps in most games. (Unless you think all the benchmark websites are just making this stuff up?)

Do you think their friends told them to fabricate the results of the tests?

Your focus on core count is a bad idea.

The important factors are:

What do you want to do with the CPU?

And what is the price/performance ratio for each CPU when it comes to the things you want to do with the chip.

An Opterons with 16 cores and they would get their @$$ kicked by the 4-core i5 in gaming.


what are you talking about? theres nothing wrong with an fx 8350 for gaming infact the fx 8350 beats the i5 3570k in some games. you said the fx 8350 would probably be fine for games? probably? lol it can play any game today with ease. and for 200 dollars you get way better multithread performance. i wouldnt settle for 4 cores if you want an i5 go ahead but dont be a fanboy. an opteron is a workshop cpu not a gaming one. i smell an intel fanboy. fx 8350 = better deal then an i5 3570k stop noobing up toms hardware
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January 22, 2013 4:05:10 PM

Money no object intel, object amd. Intel i5 3570k with 6 sata3 connects (my min. spec mobo) $229/$200. Amd $199/$85 so a 35% premium for intel you get a 12% bump based on sysmark 2012 overall sys perf benchmark..
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January 22, 2013 4:32:33 PM

spazzard said:
what are you talking about? theres nothing wrong with an fx 8350 for gaming infact the fx 8350 beats the i5 3570k in some games. you said the fx 8350 would probably be fine for games? probably? lol it can play any game today with ease. and for 200 dollars you get way better multithread performance. i wouldnt settle for 4 cores if you want an i5 go ahead but dont be a fanboy. an opteron is a workshop cpu not a gaming one. i smell an intel fanboy. fx 8350 = better deal then an i5 3570k stop noobing up toms hardware


I have owned 4 AMD CPU's in the past year and one Intel CPU. (and recommended two different intel CPU's for different family member's laptops.)

Right now, I am running an AMD rig and an Intel rig.

What is this fanboy crap?

I said the 8350 is a solid CPU.

If you don't care that it's slower than the i5 in most games, that's fine.

I actually started a thread to demonstrate how little difference there can be between an X6 Phenom and an i7 when they are paired with the same GPU's.

I brought up the Opteron in this thread to show that more coes doesn't mean better gaming performance.
And the same is true with the 8 "core" 8350 vs the 4-core i5.

The 4-core i5 is faster than the 8 "core" 8350 in most games. It simply is what it is.

There is nothing wrong with the 8350, it's just not as fast as the i5 in most games.

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January 22, 2013 8:19:55 PM

Z1NONLY said:
I have owned 4 AMD CPU's in the past year and one Intel CPU. (and recommended two different intel CPU's for different family member's laptops.)

Right now, I am running an AMD rig and an Intel rig.

What is this fanboy crap?

I said the 8350 is a solid CPU.

If you don't care that it's slower than the i5 in most games, that's fine.

I actually started a thread to demonstrate how little difference there can be between an X6 Phenom and an i7 when they are paired with the same GPU's.

I brought up the Opteron in this thread to show that more coes doesn't mean better gaming performance.
And the same is true with the 8 "core" 8350 vs the 4-core i5.

The 4-core i5 is faster than the 8 "core" 8350 in most games. It simply is what it is.

There is nothing wrong with the 8350, it's just not as fast as the i5 in most games.


woah did you bother to read my responses? i didnt say at all that 8 cores are better for gaming did i? i never said the i5 was a bad processer at all i was telling you that for 200 bucks the 8350 is better bang for the buck and thast something that you can accept, why ? so you made a thread that a 6 core amd vs i7 doesnt seem to have much of a difference? and thats suppose to mean your not a intel fanboy lol?? sounds to me like you were upset the i7 wasnt light years ahead of the amd 6 core. to get 8 cores with good ipc and overclocking ability rather then 4 cores works to my advantage and generally speaking it has alot more bang for the buck then 3570k which is a solid fact you dont agree with
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January 22, 2013 8:41:27 PM

The i5 is really only $20 more, u get double the cores but less performance per core, and gaming of course said multiple times does not use more than 4 and barely 3, but with editing beside its cost the fx wins as its similarity in gaming benchmarks to the i5, plus u get the editing bonus. If 5-10 fps means that much then get a better gpu, i dont see where in any game that a 4ghz 8 core even tho worse than an i5 per core can bottleneck a single gpu in any current game. my friends x6 1090t and 670gtx meets his needs in gaming and the 8350 is suppose to beat the PII x6 series
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January 22, 2013 9:06:32 PM

For the intel crowd how do you avoid spending $200 on a mobo? My m5a87 which is nothing special kinda dead in the middle of amd boards (but on sale for $42 at microcenter it's a GREAT board) it has 6 sata3/4 ddr3 slots/4 usb 3 connects which are all what I consider "normal" in a current gen mobo. Punch those reqs in at newegg and $259 is your jump off point, amd $50 entry $85 for pretty nice..
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January 22, 2013 9:19:05 PM

I spent 80 on a great asrock intel board...
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January 22, 2013 9:19:53 PM

What socket?
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January 22, 2013 9:29:17 PM

I guess requiring 6 sata3 maybe pushes the $$ I have 1 x ssd and 4 sata3 drives now and almost added a 5th the other night (try asking a pre-sale tech ? @ amazon if you never want to buy anything from them ever again) not being an intel guy the multiple combinations of sockets and cpu's is a real barrier to entry..
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January 22, 2013 9:36:38 PM

zpwslayer said:
I spent 80 on a great asrock intel board...


Neweggs intel mobo choices, come on how's any but a total intel geek look at that and go.. Ah ha! that's the ONE!!

CPU Socket Type
LGA 2011 (34)
LGA 1366 (4)
LGA 1156 (2)
LGA 1155 (244)
LGA 775 (8)
Dual LGA 2011 (1)
Socket G2 (rPGA 988B) (2)

CPU Type
3rd/2nd-genera... (5)
Core i7 (LGA2011) (32)
Core i7 (LGA1366) (17)
Core i7 (LGA1156)/i5 (LGA1156) (2)
Core i7 / i5 / i3 (LGA1155) (149)
Core i7 / i5 / i3 / Pentium (LGA1156) (1)
Core i7 / i5 / i3 / Pentium (LGA1155) (14)
Core i7 / i5 / i3 / Pentium / Celeron (LGA1155) (54)
Core i7 / i5 / i3 mobile (PGA 988) (1)
Core 2 Quad / Core 2 Duo / Pentium D / Celeron (2)
Core 2 Quad/Duo / Pentium Dual-Core / Celeron (4)
Core 2 Quad/Extreme/Duo / Pentium Dual-Core / Cele (1)
Core 2 Extreme / Core 2 Duo / Pentium D / Celeron (1)
Pentium 4 / Celeron (4)
Xeon (LGA1366) (1)
Xeon (LGA2011) (5)

North Bridge
Intel 865/875 (1)
Intel B75 (23)
Intel G31/G33/G35 (1)
Intel G41/G43/G45 (6)
Intel H61/H67/HM67 (46)
Intel H77 (19)
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January 22, 2013 9:38:59 PM

spazzard said:
woah did you bother to read my responses? i didnt say at all that 8 cores are better for gaming did i? i never said the i5 was a bad processer at all i was telling you that for 200 bucks the 8350 is better bang for the buck and thast something that you can accept, why ? so you made a thread that a 6 core amd vs i7 doesnt seem to have much of a difference? and thats suppose to mean your not a intel fanboy lol?? sounds to me like you were upset the i7 wasnt light years ahead of the amd 6 core. to get 8 cores with good ipc and overclocking ability rather then 4 cores works to my advantage and generally speaking it has alot more bang for the buck then 3570k which is a solid fact you dont agree with


WTH are you talking about?

The i5 is better for gaming.

The 8350 is better for multi-threaded applications.

The i5 is $20 more.

What facts are in dispute here?

This intel fanboy accusation is hilarious.



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January 22, 2013 9:46:48 PM

Z1NONLY said:
WTH are you talking about?

The i5 is better for gaming.

The 8350 is better for multi-threaded applications.

The i5 is $20 more.

What facts are in dispute here?

This intel fanboy accusation is hilarious.


now you dont have anything to say? thats funny. the i5 is around 40 to 50 dollars more expensive. i bought my fx 8350 for $189 . regarless if the i5 is better for the gaming lmao i didnt say it wasnt. the fx 8350 however you look at it is better bang for the buck
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January 22, 2013 9:49:23 PM

How about u make ur decision, which looks like u did, but if u made ur choice there is no point in arguing, i mean u asked i5 vs 8350, and everything Z1NONLY said was counter posted bashing intel, im not hating on ur choice but not every intel/amd comparison post needs to bash ppls opinions and arguing the difference, amd has their ups and downs and so does intel.
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January 22, 2013 9:54:43 PM

lazyboy947 said:
How about u make ur decision, which looks like u did, but if u made ur choice there is no point in arguing, i mean u asked i5 vs 8350, and everything Z1NONLY said was counter posted bashing intel, im not hating on ur choice but not every intel/amd comparison post needs to bash ppls opinions and arguing the difference, amd has their ups and downs and so does intel.


can you stop posting on peoples threads pls youve been going around the forums spreading negative comments. do you think that helps anything? noone was talkign to you and you feel the need to join in? very suprised this guy hasnt been banned yet. forums are all about discussions if you dont like that then stop coming on toms hardware
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January 22, 2013 9:56:09 PM

I was the 3rd post telling u to get the fx 8350, thanks for the appreciation, go somewhere else when u need help. And u can go into any other comparison thread and find a "discussion" and find ur answer there about arguing
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January 22, 2013 9:56:19 PM

spazzard said:
now you dont have anything to say? thats funny. the i5 is around 40 to 50 dollars more expensive. i bought my fx 8350 for $189 . regarless if the i5 is better for the gaming lmao i didnt say it wasnt. the fx 8350 however you look at it is better bang for the buck


All of my information has held up. What else would you expect me to say?

If you are going to use the extra cores of the 8350, it IS a better value.

I have never argued otherwise.

Why don't you just declare that water is wet and demand a response?
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January 22, 2013 9:56:30 PM

spazzard said:
now you dont have anything to say? thats funny. the i5 is around 40 to 50 dollars more expensive. i bought my fx 8350 for $189 . regarless if the i5 is better for the gaming lmao i didnt say it wasnt. the fx 8350 however you look at it is better bang for the buck

http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K...

Read it and weep.
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January 22, 2013 10:00:47 PM



I don't think it will matter to him.

The 8350 is apparently his "team" and he will probably find some other direction to cheer in.

I don't think I see this much emotional attachment to stuff at the track. And people LOVE their cars.
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January 22, 2013 10:03:39 PM

Z1NONLY said:
All of my information has held up. What else would you expect me to say?

If you are going to use the extra cores of the 8350, it IS a better value.

I have never argued otherwise.

Why don't you just declare that water is wet and demand a response?


in general the 8 core is betetr value. however you look at it. if ur using it for gaming still you have a better value with the fx 8350. why do you feel the need to prove yourself?
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January 22, 2013 10:05:52 PM

This fanboy stuff really clouds the usability of advice given on an otherwise very helpful forum.

I hope a casual observer will be able to sift through all the emo crap.

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January 22, 2013 10:06:04 PM

spazzard said:
in general the 8 core is betetr value. however you look at it. if ur using it for gaming still you have a better value with the fx 8350. why do you feel the need to prove yourself?


Because so far in only one game i saw where the fx was only 1fps below the i5 and thats bf3 or else its usually 10-20, and for $20 its comes down to preference, or if on sale less.
Why do u feel the need to prove ur self to someone who knows his facts? i mean he has owned both brand cpus his word is worth way more than urs. and u brought this on ur self
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January 22, 2013 10:08:54 PM

spazzard said:
in general the 8 core is betetr value. however you look at it. if ur using it for gaming still you have a better value with the fx 8350. why do you feel the need to prove yourself?


Prove what?

What have I said that you doubt?
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January 22, 2013 10:12:44 PM

lazyboy947 said:
Because so far in only one game i saw where the fx was only 1fps below the i5 and thats bf3 or else its usually 10-20, and for $20 its comes down to preference, or if on sale less.
Why do u feel the need to prove ur self to someone who knows his facts? i mean he has owned both brand cpus his word is worth way more than urs. and u brought this on ur self


20 dollars? theres a 50 dollar price difference. that link you saw is american. doesnt make sense for you to barge into this coversation, only shows that youre a troll
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January 22, 2013 10:13:47 PM

Z1NONLY said:
Prove what?

What have I said that you doubt?


i just told you ^^ you dont think the fx 8350 is better value overall.
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January 22, 2013 10:23:26 PM

spazzard said:
i just told you ^^ you dont think the fx 8350 is better value overall.


Value depends on application.

If you are primarily gaming, I would recommend an i5.

If you are primarily using heavily-threaded apps, I would recommend an 8350. (Actually, I would recommend overclocking an 8320)
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January 22, 2013 10:30:26 PM

At the momment the fx 8350 is $200 on newegg, if u can get it on sale good for u.

Also I was apart of this thread since u posted it..... I was the second reply, I was trying to help u. How am I trolling?.

Also its a public forum where any member can "barge" on in so i think ill stay just to "troll" u some more if thats wat u think im doing
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January 22, 2013 10:42:13 PM

Z1NONLY said:
Value depends on application.

If you are primarily gaming, I would recommend an i5.

If you are primarily using heavily-threaded apps, I would recommend an 8350. (Actually, I would recommend overclocking an 8320)


value is generalized, for $189 a processer that competes with a $330 has better bang for the buck.
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January 22, 2013 10:48:58 PM

Hes not even mentioning value anymore, he gave his info, and wat he recommends, its not like some people who straight out says get intel amd sucks
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January 23, 2013 1:02:39 AM

spazzard said:
value is generalized,


It's obviously subjective too.
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January 23, 2013 1:07:27 AM

how is it subjective
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January 23, 2013 5:15:00 AM

Lol ok. obivously the amd 8350 is a good chip and more than enough. however the i5 3570k is FASTER i own a amd fx 6300 at stock clocks it bottlenecked my 7970ghz by about 15% (75% gpu usage in games) once i overclocked it. the bottleneck vanished.

However my friend with a i7 2600k and the other with a i5. dont bottleneck there gtx 680 at stock cpu clocks.

Amd is simply slower than intel. However amd cpus are more than enough for gaming.

Spaazard is also a fanboy of the amd 8350 since he owns one so better to shrug off his comments.
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January 23, 2013 8:21:48 AM

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