What Country would YOU choose?

Maybe it's the Alcohol in my veins or the Oxygen Bubbles in my Brain, but a statement by Cleeve in another thread has got me thinking;

<b>If the various Graphics card companies were countries, which ones do you think they would be an why?</b> (You can add other tech companies if they are GOOD choices/reasons)

What is ATI?
What is nV?
XGI? MATROX? SIS? INTEL? 3DLABS? 3DFX?

Does XGI even warrant a country, would a county be more apt?

Just something to think about 'til I get back.


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What is ATI? The underdog, but getting stronger all the time, an increasing threat - so CHINA.
What is nV? Think they own the world, can release a dud card, or policy and get away with it - USA
XGI? Rising star, though not exactly world leader - an asian tiger economy nation, like South Korea.
MATROX? - specialised, leader in one field, strong following / patriotism - UK


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Ahh, good and evil. GWB's terrorism speeches are like reading a spiderman comic

I dont mean that in an insulting way - just before gwb I never heard any leader refer to evil and good so much - especially when it is so subjective

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I think the USA should stop giving away foreign aid. From now on the rest of the world can rot.

The $13B we give away a year for Official Development Assistance can be used to balance the California Budget, which incidentally is the 6th largest economy in the world.

The $5B that we give away each year for peacekeeping operations and to finance, train, and educate foreign armed forces can be used on Americans instead.

We should suspend all loan guarantees as well.

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I was about to say the same thing....

<b>wooooow <font color=red> Killer Klowns </font color=red> ... from <font color=blue>outer space</font color=blue>... HOLY SH¡T!</b>

Screw feeding other people. Let them forage for nuts and berries.

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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

what started out as an amusing thread, ended up with several seriously offended Americans. And all that because some people didn't agree with their nation's policy.

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Don't let your compassion kick in. The only reason why people are starving in other countries is because they breed like flies. Someone once said, "a skinny man and a skinny woman get together and have many skinny children". Think about it. If you had no money, no food, shelter or clothing would you possibly be thinking about bringing children into that situation? Of course not. So these people who have nothing <i>but</i> children perpetuate the problem.

In many third world countries using a condom is seen as emasculating so they don't wear them. Also, in third world countries women don't have a say in things. They're treated slightly better than cattle. If a man doesn't wear a condom then that's the end of the conversation.

Furthermore, the good ole Vatican thinks that people should only have sex to procreate. Nice one, morons. So when a skinny man gets horny, out pops another hungry kid.

Then we Americans get involved and start giving them food. But wait! The food is then stolen and eaten or sold by the people fighting a lifelong civil war which is causing the famine in the first place. Again this just perpetuates the problem.

Don't feel guilty or compassionate. The best thing you could do is go to work, work hard, buy the latest video card, play the latest video game, provide for <i>your</i> family and have a good night's sleep.

You've tried and failed. The lesson here is, never try again. -- Homer Simpson.

No offense taken here. You actually put thought into it and posted as you should have done. A few more posts like yours and it could have been kept fun. I was going to do the same, but unfortunately got sidetracked. I'd still like to be compared to ATI though, at least for now. Don't get me wrong, I am not against NVidia. They have made some great cards. I just didn't like the FX series, as well as their driver cheats, misleading advertising, PR practices, etc. For now ATI owns the highend and gives the best gaming experience. Come May & June, who knows. I'm looking forward to the next round.

So what country is the XGI Volari?

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A black heart? Perhaps. An ignorant mind? You'll see things a bit more clearly when you grow up. I speak the truth. Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.

If you want to then go ahead and give money to charities that do no good. Keep in mind that there are people in your own country that could use your help. Volunteer to help deliver food to the elderly. Help kids out with recreational programs in your neighborhood. Open your eyes. That's all I'm saying.

You've tried and failed. The lesson here is, never try again. -- Homer Simpson.

Fuh q!

You can go help feed them. We quit. We aren't the babysitters of the world. It's not our job to feed people who don't use condoms and bring children into this world that they can't take care of.

It's a catch 22 for us. If we help people complain, and if we don't help people complain.

I say we take those billions of dollars and spend them on our military. That way when those hungry people come knocking on our door we'll just point some guns at them and tell them that they should go talk to you since you're so nice and are going to feed them.

You should get another job man! Stop being lazy. Get one job to feed your family and another job to feed someone else's family. It's the right thing for you to do.

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<b><A HREF="http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?dhlucke" target="_new">Wiggidy Wack!!!!</A></b>

Have all the compasion you want. We all feel for those in need. I just don't want to foot the bill if people are going to bitch and moan about us doing so.

It's not cold hearted to state the facts. Truth is that many countries, the USA being at the top of the list, donate huge sums of money to help those in need. Truth is that many people then bitch and moan as if we aren't doing enough or we're doing the wrong thing. Fine, let them bitch, but as long as they're whining let them foot the bill instead of me or get down and dirty in the fields growing food for those that need it.

Too many cheese eating surrender monkeys try to make the USA out to some kind of selfish bastard child, when in fact we are a country that has done more good than bad. We serve our interests, but we also open our arms and help those in need. We foot the bill and subsidize entire countries.

Israel: $4.13 billion
Egypt: $2.06 billion
Colombia: $1.36 billion
Palest. Terr.: $512 million
Jordan: $428 million
Kosovo: $216 million
Russia: $209 million

For all that we give, can you name one good thing that the Palestinian Territories have done with their half a billion a year? What about Egypt or Jordan?

I say we cut off all aid and let them dig grubs for themselves.

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<b><A HREF="http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?dhlucke" target="_new">Wiggidy Wack!!!!</A></b>

I could not find the new topic in the Other/other section so therefore a response here.

I find it rather typical that these kind of discussions always go along the way of "the government is spending our money on...". I hope that all participating in that actually pay taxes in the first place. Let's assume for their sake they are. As your government was elected in a democratic way (more or less, if I remember the events in 2000 correctly) they have every right to spend that money in your and all US citizen's names. They will be held accountable again this year so make sure your vote is cast (this is assuming that you have registered as a voter, which you hopefully did as being a tax paying member of society).

Why do you think your government is spending that money? For charities? Get real. This money buys them direct influence all over the world. In that sense it is already spent on you, the US taxpayer, under the assumption that it is better to keep the problems where they are and try to solve them there. I can assure you that stopping those fundings would mean a serious change in your domestic situation, in the longer term.

Now why do you think that many people in the mid and far east are just hating US guts? You think they hate the money? Not really, or rather the opposite. They hate being dependent on it for their livelyhood, and in the process being told what to do, instead of having the freedom to make decisions for themselves.

The true conflict here is one between (distribution of) power/resources, and the fact that we all have to accept some universal values (some of these are apparent in all religions around the world), one of them being to give each individual the right to believe in whatever religion they want to follow and that they are not to be killed or jailed for that (not that apparent in all religions). If we would all truly uphold these values, organisations like AlQuaida, Hamaz or the Klux Klux clan (or any other organisation that has the specific purpose of wiping out another group of people) would not be able to exist.

Now I guarantee you that if the world's wealth was distributed better, extremism would not have the foothold that it has today. Someone also made a point about the overpopulation in the world. Of course a good point in the sense that it is much easier to distribute wealth better if there are less of us overal. So add some kind of worldwide supported birth control program and we will find world wide peace . Now in order to change the world, let's start with ourselves and move on from there.

And no, I'm not a US hater either I would rather say the opposite, and as you can see here, I'm quite a dreamer. But hey.. if you can't dream anymore that's the end of everything is it not?


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Why don't we continue this in the other/other forum. I posted a message there.
Let's start talking about more fun things, like the incredible water effects of Far Cry! or the massive boss monsters in the upcoming Painkiller!
Does anyone have some news on upcoming DX9 games to lighten things up a little!

Ati is Greenland, and Nvidia is Mexico.

No tangble reason, really... Greenland sounds like a nice name for a country, and I think the geforce logo should incorporate a Sombrero somewhere.
That'd be kewl.

Oh, and Matrox, SiS, and XGI all share Cuba.

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LOL!

Seriously, it was meant in fun. I was a little on the wobbly side when I wrote it (lotsa Cider in me), if you look at the original thread I even said "which Greenland would they be" (like there are multiple ones), instead of which country. I was getting ahead of myself while my brain and fingers were unable to keep up. Argh the incredible shrinking brain!

I expected this to be light and airy and fun ribbing.

People take politics too seriously, this wasn't even political in nature!

Oie!

At least you and a few others got it and enjoyed.


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very nice.

But how dare you compare the elephant to NV!!!
LOL


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dhlucke,

I have posted a response in the topic that splenda20 set up in the other/other section. Let's continue there, if you feel up to it.


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They would all be American. Besides the crappy ones who attempt to compete.
XGI would be probably be half owned by China and half by the EU.

Because we are the true champions of capitalism.
Most of the worlds more modern wealth and business either exists here, was created here, or goes through here.

They dont call it the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave for nothing!
We are the most capable people on earth, the rest of the world is lucky the only Super Power is so gracious to not knock your socks off with only a whisp of our power.
America is essentially a god among mortals (a humane and generous one at that).
Thats why everyone hates us.
Well, that and people like me.
But those with my mentality are probably 10% of our population, most Americans are self-hating, guilty b*stards who join hands with those nations would would take joy in our failure.
If we can finish taking off the rest of the chains off of the American economy (as Reagan did much of in the 80s) we could distance ourselves further.
You guys are so lucky George Bush is our President, he lets you off too easy.
Put me in there, the middle east would be glass hills.
Melted sand, from my nuke.
The old world cant stand us, even our neighbors cant stand us.

Only the nations worth their salt- Australia, Great Britain and Spain, stand with us.

Just telling it like it is fellaz.

Note- not pointed at you directly Ape, just someone to post off of.

edit- After rereading, I realize this is the biggest flame-bait I've ever put out there.
I had take up arms and backup da man Dhuckle for our nation.
LOL, cheese eating surrender monkeys... I like the sound of that.

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This type of debate is getting us nowhere. Nationalism is a dead end street, my friends!

We, the pacified masses, keep saluting our President/Prime Minister/Equivalent whilst they stuff their pockets and grease each other's palms. Truly, democracy may be the best political system in practice, but the tides of nations are too often influenced by the petty motivations of greedy men in office.

Why does democracy fail, gentlemen? Because Joe Public does not opt for what is BEST... Joe public opts for SELF INTEREST. It's the same thing with individual politicians. If you had a public referendum, say, on wether or not every north american should be given $100,000 from the national treasury, how do you think the vote would go? We'd all want the cash of course, and to hell with the consequences. It's human nature! The lesson here is that human beings don't always opt for what's best for themselves... and certainly not what's best for those they purport to be serving. Human beings are much more shortsighted than that.

What alternative do I have to offer? Gentlemen, I propose that the ultimate system of government would be a computer-dictatorship, a mechanical overlord programmed with Asimov's 3 laws of robotics. A collection of microprocessors and electronics that is not burdened with loathsome self interest, corruptible morals, or ambition. A computer whose only motivation is to make the best decisions for the people. To enhance and serve the human race! Unlike the political system we currently live within, where all too often the opposite is the norm: the public pays the price for the shortsighted interests of our elected officials.

Having said this, I think we should all find a common ground and start from there.

Surely, we can all agree that the French are cowards?

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well, he didn't just sum up the feelings of the canadians, but pretty much the rest of the world too.

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He's stuck in a hole, with his 2 dialysis machines, struggling to survive the winter.

I fail to see your point. This is liberal propaghanda. The Taliban are not in power and together with Al Queda are mostly dead or scattered throughout the desolate countryside of pakistan and afghanistan. As far as I'm concerened that is an improvement.

Furthermore, the Iraq war was the most successfull operation EVER! 500 deaths to occupy a country the size of California is UNHEARD OF.

Hate to say this to someone that have so much respect for but when you brought France into this that pissed me off. What the hell has france truly done for ANYBODY? Vietnam was their mess to start with and the two world wars were a joke as far as France was concerened. Both our countries, Canada and the USA, put their money where their mouth is. France doesn't.

Canadians and Americans have always stood shoulder to shoulder. That's friendship. The French only ask for help when they're occupied, pillaged, raped, and beaten. They wait far too long to help others and they wait far too long to help themselves. We don't need them. I appreciate their help during our revolutionary war but besides that they can kiss my American asss.

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I agree with you 100% It was an accident, no question there. But what bothers many Canadians, myself included, is the lack of coverage. We didn't want a nationally televised funeral or a massive apology, but come on? There was little to no recognition of that tragic event. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware, but there was no accountability either. The pilots were not repremanded in any way and the U.S did not allow us to investigate. Again, we know it was an accident, but there were many things that could have been done to avoid it and there are some questions about why the pilots didn't know it was Canadians and not the Taliban. Also because the Canadians were clearly not firing at the planes, they were going through live ammo training sessions.

It was covered. I don't know what to tell you. The NY times is all over the map on certain issues so I can't speak on their behalf. Call them up and ask them why they didn't make it a cover story.

MJ's arrest and the capture of Saddam Hussein happened at the same time if I remember correctly and journalists were having a hard time deciding which story was more important. In the end it's about which will sell more papers or get more viewers.

As far as accountability what do you want? Courtmartial for a wartime accident? These things simply happen. I never followed it that far and for all I know they were courtmartialed, jailed, and executed along with their families and everyone they knew.

I got into a hour long argument with a canadian once over this. It hurts me deeply to think that canadians take this as a personal attack on your nation. I then get to hear about us bombing weddings in Afghanistan as if we are war criminals. Nevermind the fact that the wedding was celebrating by shooting guns into the air and nevermind the fact that accidents during war time do happen.

Friend of mine was offered a job to go over to Iraq as an engineer. $300,000 a year. He turned it down and a friend of his went instead. He died in a car accident over there.

Sh1t happens. They're doing the best they can.

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Wow, I had hoped all this would stop. I greatly enjoy talking video cards with you guys. Sorry, but like Grape, I regretfully feel the need to further post in this thread.

Kinney, your post wasn't very bright. As can be seen, even our friendly neighbors have some hard feelings toward us, and most of the world seems to be full of undeserved hatred and jealousy toward us. So glad you love the USA, but your post added fuel to a fire and did nothing to promote the USA as great nation. Your one post could literally shaped some young minds overseas toward thinking all Americans are arrogant beasts.

Anyway, I love the USA and think it is the best country on earth. But if you feel the same about your country, I sure wouldn't argue. I am glad to hear it. But hating and badmouthing a nation is a different story than supporting your own.

To Grape, I too must say I greatly respect you on this forum. You know video cards and help loads of people. But as far as some of your views toward the US, I am a bit surprised and dissappointed. Same with many of the other people. I feel the hatred some of you have toward the US is unfortunate and undeserved. I also think some of your views are way off based. For starters, we are alot safer with Bush as president, he does have integrity, and is a great leader. If you want lack of integrity, look toward Clinton. As for McCain, ugh you really must be joking. Bush is so levelheaded compared to McCain. And anyone who thinks our media is driven to promote our presidents agenda... has absolutely no clue what they are talking about. Our media support a conservative Republican President. LOL yeah right. That's one of the funniest things I have heard. Yeah, our media is overrun by conservatives like Katie Curic. They are so liberal and opposed to Bush. I have never heard anyone here say otherwise. The media is in it for the stories and to gain marketshare, so they just play it somewhat cool because they don't want the American people to see through them and turn on them. To be successful they need to blend with the left and right, yet it is easy to see which side they choose to support. And it ain't the conservatives. Afterall, they make a living off of us. If you saw the reporting during our Bush/Gore elections, where our media was already proclaiming a Gore victory because that is what they wanted and hoped they could help seal, you'd maybe get a better picture. Maybe it is because the worlds media is even more liberal and against Bush than ours, that's why you see it that way. And in your nation Hatred of America may be preached and respected... where in our's is a political, financial, or literal death wish. So everyone seems to think the picture that their own press feeds them about us is the Bible and we are all blind. Yeah, like the Iraqi's broadcasting how the Americans were cowardly fleeing and losing the war. That was more accurate then the story we were being fed right. Lets face it, the world is full of hatred and jealousy toward America, and that is the picture that many of you get tricked into believing.

Anyway, I myself dislike very few nations. France deserves the bad press, But I still would never wish any bad fortune on them and would also expect we would still come to their aid. because they earned it? no Because America protects freedom and cares for people. And if you think freedom fries caught on and became the norm, lol your media really fooled you. That lasted 2 days and was in humor and some troop support. I forgot all about freedom fries until you just brought it up. French Fries are my favorite vegetable. yet the french are woos's I think and I myself wouldn't be happy if they were my protector. Let me ask, would you rather have the protection of the French to your South? Or is it OK having us down here?

Which makes me ask. Do you really have such hatred for your American neighbors and/or allies? Would the world be a better and safer place if the USA was gone? How about if the middle east overthrows us, would Canadians rather have a middle eastern dictator living on their doorstep? I for one am happy we have Canada to our North. I see you as a friend and not a threat. You in turn have the strongest military nation in the world toward your south. One who has the capability of destroying the world. Do you feel threatened by that? Scared of an American invasion? Scared Bush is an evil man lacking integrity and might push the button on you? Of course not and nor should you be. We are not perfect, but are trustworthy and not a threat to you. So again, all you knocking America, just how much better off would you be without us. I mean put Iran/Iraq/or even China in Canada's location, that would be unnerving for us. So who would be the better/safer neighbor for the Canadians? Why then bash us instead of maybe saying one kind and appreciative word.

If Kinney ticked you off, I can understand that. I also understand that he was defending his nation against some fairly harsh attacks from others. But he did not, in any way, handle it in a reasonable fashion. But also, many of you started bashing the USa right away. It seems that lots of you showed there is a little US hatred/jealousy in you with your posts. I mean you could have just talked up your own county, instead of bashing ours. Think about it.

Grape, this whole post was not at all directed toward you in any way. Without reading through it yet to see, I just wanted to clarify that. I am however surprised that the Canadians here seem to have alot more harsh feelings toward my country than the Americans have toward yours. As for this topic, I too wish it had never been started. It was meant in fun I understand, and 10% of it was in fun. But I like the common bond we share in our appreciation of computer hardware, and not this bickering and slashing that has been going on here. Maybe we can all hook up and rip each other apart in UT2004 demo, and then shake hands and go back to more fun conversations.

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