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September 8, 2012 5:25:58 AM

a friend asked me what he should get for a gaming pc. he isnt going to really be overclocking so the ivy bridge heat issues arent that much of a concern. i would like a modular power supply but the corsairs are expensive. i picked the motherboard because it has 2x pci 3.0 so in the future he would be able to buy another card and use sli or crossfire. im also leaning towards nvidia because amd's processors are so bad i figure why buy anything amd but im open to anything. The 660ti seems like the best nvidia card for the price/performance. i read that the small performance gains you could possibly get on memory over 1600 isnt worth the money. ive been trying to decide between a cheap 60/64GB ssd and using SRT or getting a 120/128GB and installing windows on it. as of right now im thinking of going with the smaller ssd and SRT. even though the performance isnt as good there is nothing more annoying than always having to deal with a drive thats constantly filling up. also im not sure how to compare the ssd to each other. cheap case with usb 3.0 front ports. cheapest dvd i could find. thats my thinking id like your opinions before i tell him to spend $1000+. thanks.

  • Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K - $229.99
  • ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $114.99
  • MSI N660 Ti PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - $309.99
  • CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B - $89.99
  • CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power - $109.99
  • Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $79.99
  • OCZ Solid 3 SLD3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC - $59.99
  • SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM - $14.99
  • Athena Power CA-GSB01DA Black 0.8mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - OEM - $19.99
  • TOTAL: $1029.91
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    September 8, 2012 5:30:25 AM

    Don't know how you feel about cable management but I would definite swap out for a coolermaster haf912, its $40 more

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    but it keeps cables managed and so you have good airflow.

    Might also want to switch the PSU from TX750 to AX750 for full modular, but it's up to you, at least get a decent case.

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    September 8, 2012 5:35:03 AM

    Drop the K CPU and get the 3570 non K since he isnt going to be OCing.

    That is one cheap case. Try to get the Corsair 300R.

    You want an M4 SSD or the Samsung 830. More reliable.

    Too much RAM. All you will really need is 8GBs.
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    September 8, 2012 5:41:04 AM

    Forget the SSD altogether unless you can afford at least a 128GB. There are 2 ways to use an SSD with an Intel system

    1. Using a 60GB SSD as a Cache drive, almost nobody does it because its not as performance increasing as running an SSD as a boot drive, which leads us to

    2. Using SSD as a boot drive. 60GB is very cramped. Between NTFS formatting and Windows 7, you'll have about 40GB of space.. Not very much space for 2012 wouldn't ya say? Crucial M4's definitely the way to go, as mentioned by Nw333.
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    What others said, if he doesn't need to overclock, drop the K CPU.

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    16GB is indeed too much RAM, take it someone who learned the "hard way". 8GB is plenty

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    660 TI is a nice video card, 7870 GHZ is cheaper and performs slightly better. Don't confuse AMD's lacking performance in the CPU department for their GPU performance, their video cards are perfectly capable of outgunning Nvidia at almost every price range. As far as Sli/Crossfire in the future, usually it makes more sense to just replace a video card with a single better one rather than add a second. Stronger, single video cards are almost always the better choice.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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    September 8, 2012 5:41:26 AM

    Nw333 said:
    Drop the K CPU and get the 3570 non K since he isnt going to be OCing.

    That is one cheap case. Try to get the Corsair 300R.



    Compared to coolermaster 912, it's not, at least not on newegg, 300r is priced at $80
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    September 8, 2012 5:45:18 AM

    Quote:
    "As it stands, AMD’s position correctly reflects their performance; the GTX 660 Ti is a solid and relatively consistent 10-15% faster than the 7870, while the 7950 is anywhere between a bit faster to a bit slower depending on what benchmarks you favor. Of course when talking about the 7950 the “anything but equal” maxim still applies here, if not more so than with the GTX 670. The GTX 660 Ti is anywhere 50% ahead of the 7950 and 25% behind it, and everywhere in between.Coupled with the tight pricing between all of these cards, this makes it very hard to make any kind of meaningful recommendation here for potential buyers. Compared to the 7870 the GTX 660 Ti is a solid buy if you can spare the extra $20, though it’s not going to be a massive difference. The performance difference is going to be just enough that AMD is going to need to trim prices a bit more to secure the 7870’s position.
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-... so i say a MSI 7870 Hawk is looking mighty good for 259.99 right now lol http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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    September 8, 2012 5:50:10 AM

    bigcyco1 said:
    Quote:
    "As it stands, AMD’s position correctly reflects their performance; the GTX 660 Ti is a solid and relatively consistent 10-15% faster than the 7870, while the 7950 is anywhere between a bit faster to a bit slower depending on what benchmarks you favor. Of course when talking about the 7950 the “anything but equal” maxim still applies here, if not more so than with the GTX 670. The GTX 660 Ti is anywhere 50% ahead of the 7950 and 25% behind it, and everywhere in between.Coupled with the tight pricing between all of these cards, this makes it very hard to make any kind of meaningful recommendation here for potential buyers. Compared to the 7870 the GTX 660 Ti is a solid buy if you can spare the extra $20, though it’s not going to be a massive difference. The performance difference is going to be just enough that AMD is going to need to trim prices a bit more to secure the 7870’s position.
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-... so i say a MSI 7870 Hawk is looking mighty good for 259.99 right now lol

    And Tom's Hardware benches disagrees with that. So... lol.. where are we?
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...

    I wonder why the results are so different between the two sites? They ran some of the same games. I'm digging the Zotac AMP edition 660 TI though.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    I love Zotac.
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    September 8, 2012 5:55:04 AM

    nekulturny said:
    And Tom's Hardware benches disagrees with that. So... lol.. where are we?
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...
    Yeah i don't think you read what i posted but that's o.k. also i don't use TH benchmarks i use Techpowerup.com [H]ard|OCP and Guru3D.com are the sites i use for finding out info mostly.I i like to find three reviews from respectable reliable sources that consist of the same results . ;) 
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    September 8, 2012 5:59:58 AM

    bigcyco1 said:
    Yeah i don't think you read what i posted but that's o.k. also i don't use TH benchmarks i use Techpowerup.com [H]ard|OCP and Guru3D.com are the sites i use for finding out info mostly.I i like to find three reviews from respectable reliable sources that consist of the same results . ;) 

    Eh, its 2am, I work full time and have 16 credits this semester. I glanced at it, did I miss something? You said that the MSI 7870 Hawk is a good buy, and you quoted AandNTech's conclusion page, which I've already seen and read. Want I should read it again? :heink:  :kaola: 

    Tom's Hardware are Intel/Nvidia nubs. Well at least Don Woligroski is (the senior editor), I'd stick my head out the door if he said it was raining outside, so if TH says AMD has a better product, I'm like, "whoa what?"
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    September 8, 2012 6:01:02 AM

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    If you don't need an O/S (Windows) then look at these vid card options.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $519.98 save: $20.00 - $10.00 Mail In Rebates
    Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
    MSI N660 Ti PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

    or...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $259.99 - $239.99 after $20.00 rebate
    MSI R7870 HAWK Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
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    September 8, 2012 6:01:20 AM

    nekulturny said:
    Eh, its 2am, I work full time and have 16 credits this semester. I glanced at it, did I miss something? You said that the MSI 7870 Hawk is a good buy, and you quoted AandNTech's conclusion page, which I've already seen and read. Want I should read it again? :heink:  :kaola: 
    no you did get it all then :lol:  i am in wrong my bad
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    September 8, 2012 6:12:42 AM

    nekulturny said:
    And Tom's Hardware benches disagrees with that. So... lol.. where are we?
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...

    I wonder why the results are so different between the two sites? They ran some of the same games. I'm digging the Zotac AMP edition 660 TI though.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    I love Zotac.
    for the price that Zotac AMP edition 660 TI is looking mighty nice i am saving up for this card though myself http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or if i can find it i will get Asus 670 Top :p 
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    September 8, 2012 6:21:17 AM

    Hi i made a build for you.It's very, VERY fast.It's pretty much the best you can get for the price.
    It's only downside is it's price before the MIR's .

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($70.06 @ NCIX US)
    Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: OCZ Agility 3 180GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
    Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($413.78 @ NCIX US)
    Case: Zalman Z11 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: OCZ 800W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
    Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS224-06 DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Total: $976.75
    (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-08 02:20 EDT-0400)

    It's by FAR the best PC you can get for the price.
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    September 8, 2012 7:04:33 AM

    Without the MIR, it is over his budget by $40.
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    September 12, 2012 12:33:36 PM

    sorry it took a while to respond. thanks for the replys. i think the extra $15 for the K model is worth it in case in the future he decides he wants to try over clocking. you really think the case is that bad? how bad can a standard case be? no need for 16GB memory?
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    September 12, 2012 12:33:59 PM

    azeem40 said:
    Without the MIR, it is over his budget by $40.

    its not a firm budget. he would like to be around $1000 but he would spend a little more if it was worth it.
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    September 12, 2012 12:45:25 PM

    nekulturny said:
    And Tom's Hardware benches disagrees with that. So... lol.. where are we?
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...

    I wonder why the results are so different between the two sites? They ran some of the same games. I'm digging the Zotac AMP edition 660 TI though.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    I love Zotac.
    We are back to square one it's because TH doesn't have a big enough benching database and the way they test i suppose anyways i have got to the bottom of it the 7950 and 660 TI are pretty much on par :)  look here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/369131-33-660ti-7950# a few of us actually figured it out after much debate i got sick of it and left but if you read all reply's you can pretty much figure out the cards are no better then one another all things are debunked in that thread as to which is better lol
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    September 12, 2012 12:48:19 PM

    jonjonjon said:
    sorry it took a while to respond. thanks for the replys. i think the extra $15 for the K model is worth it in case in the future he decides he wants to try over clocking. you really think the case is that bad? how bad can a standard case be? no need for 16GB memory?


    The price tag will explain it all. You can have a case just as big yet with a bigger price. Features are what your looking at.

    Yes no need. Gamers will barely consume 8GBs of RAM.
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    September 14, 2012 8:20:44 PM

    another one of my friends wants a new computer. he would also like to be around $1000 but the lower the price the better. he doesnt do any gaming but he does do a lot of video encoding, autocad and a little 3d rendering. ive read articles where the intel graphics 4000 seems capable enough if your not a gamer. but i also read "a Radeon HD 6570, available for under $60, still manages to double Ivy Bridge’s best effort". he wants to spend $200+ on a video card but that seems like a waste of money to me and he can always buy a video card later if he decides he needs it. is the HD graphics 4000 good enough or should he get a cheap entry level card like a SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6670 for $64.99?

    instead of spending $200+ on a video card would the money be better spent on a bigger SSD Corsair Force Series 3 240GB for $164.99 and the i7-3770K for $329.99? according to these 2 articles link1 link2 it shows some decent performance over the i5 in applications and media encoding because of hyper-threading. the only autodesk program listed is 3ds max which is 15.4% faster. is that enough performance to justify $100?

    would 16GB of memory make a difference for video encoding or autodesk programs?

    also when looking at ssd's on newegg they list the 6 difference categories below under performance. i read Understanding Storage Performance but the problem is every ssd lists a different combination of those 6 categories which makes it very hard to compare them. im guessing this is done on purpose.

    4KB Random Read: Up to ##,### IOPS
    4KB Random Write: Up to ##,### IOPS
    Max Sequential Read: Up to ### MB/s
    Max Sequential Write: Up to ### MB/s
    Sustained Sequential Read: Up to ### MB/s
    Sustained Sequential Write: Up to ### MB/s

    sorry for all the questions. thanks.
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