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July 21, 2012 8:10:35 AM

I want to build a mid-budget gaming rig, so I am thinking of this setup:


SINGLE GPU BUILD


CPU: i5 3570k --------------------------------------------> $ 227

MOBO: Gigabyte z77x d3h --------------------------------> $ 179 (purchased)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1866mhz) -----------> $ 77

Case: CM 690II Advanced usb 3.0 -----------------> $ 133 (purchased)

SSD: Corsair Force 120GB ------------------------------> $160

PSU: Corsair GS 700w -----------------------------------> $ 133 or (Corsair TX 650w $ 133)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100------------------------------> $ 173

GPU: Sapphire Radeon 3GB 7970OC ------------------------------> $ 600 or non OC (same manufacturer) -> $ 547

Monitor: BenQ E2420HD -------------------------------> $ 160

CROSSFIRE BUILD
Its gonna be:

CPU: i5 3570k --------------------------------------------> $ 227
MOBO: Gigabyte z77X d3h ------------------------------> $ 200
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1866mhz) -----------> $ 77
Case: CM Storm Enforcer -------------------------------> $ 133
SSD: Corsair Force 120GB ------------------------------> $160
PSU: Corsair GS 700w -----------------------------------> $ 133
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100------------------------------> $ 173
Sapphire Radeon 7850 2GB ----------------------------> $ 280 (2 way crossfire $560)


I am in Jeddah Saudi Arabia, so prices are insanely overpriced. I have canvassed extensively for this parts and this is low as it gets. So my question is. Which of the 2 setup will be better for gaming and for a future proof build?

I will overclock both cpu and gpu for this, and as a total noob, can I OC gpu's in 2-way crossfire?
Also with the 2 builds which one will perform better in gaming???

My monitor will be a BENQ 2420HD and I would like to get ultra high settings on say crysis 2 and bf3... Which build will be the winner???

Lastly will there be any bottlenecks on the above builds???

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July 21, 2012 8:16:43 AM

In theory performance is better with CF/SLI. The real problem comes with games that dont work correctly with CF until new drivers are made for them ... Personally i would go with a powerfull single carg ^-
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July 21, 2012 8:17:16 AM

I would go for a single powerful GPU as you can always add another down the road for more power in games. I would honestly go for the EVGA GTX 670 FTW as it's faster than the 7970 in most games out the box.

SLI/Crossfire have micro stuttering common in multi-GPU configurations. You would use less power for a single GPU as well.
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July 21, 2012 8:18:36 AM

Crossfire is only ever worth doing on high end cards. One single high end card is always preferable to two midrange cards, always.

Crossfire is great, when it works. Crossfire does not work properly in many games and when it does, microstutter is very visible on mid-range cards.
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July 21, 2012 8:20:03 AM

El Tigre said:
I would go for a single powerful GPU as you can always add another down the road for more power in games. I would honestly go for the EVGA GTX 670 FTW as it's faster than the 7970 in most games out the box.

SLI/Crossfire have micro stuttering common in multi-GPU configurations. You would use less power for a single GPU as well.



Is this the one http://www.softland.com.sa/index.php?route=product/prod... Im gonna live in a very humid tropical place in Manila Philippines, so is it cooler than the 7970?
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July 21, 2012 8:26:20 AM

Pinhedd said:
Crossfire is only ever worth doing on high end cards. One single high end card is always preferable to two midrange cards, always.

Crossfire is great, when it works. Crossfire does not work properly in many games and when it does, microstutter is very visible on mid-range cards.



Great info man, thats whats giving me confusion for my available options here. I was originally planning on a 7970 but the price stings, coz Im starting on scratch. I was hoping at starting up with one mid range, then buying the same in 2 months, only if it is going to be more powerful than one high-end card.
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July 21, 2012 8:27:01 AM

As long as your case has good airflow, it will be fine, my EVGA GTX 670 FTW does not go above 70C during intense gaming in BF3 and I live in a hot and humid area too. (The State of Virginia in the USA is hot and humid during the summer.)

Here is my card, it's faster than a GTX 680 out the box in most games.



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July 21, 2012 8:36:35 AM

i see you have 2 cards there, the 670 and a 560 did you sli them? i dont see a connector ;)  just curious, sorry for the noob question.
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July 21, 2012 8:37:48 AM

wolfrahm21 said:
i see you have 2 cards there, the 670 and a 560 did you sli them? i dont see a connector ;)  just curious, sorry for the noob question.


The 670 and the 560 can't be SLIed, but the 560 can be used as a dedicated PhysX card which leaves the 670 free to do all the rendering work. It's a great way to put an older card to good use
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July 21, 2012 8:38:32 AM

The GTX 670 FTW is my main GPU, the GTX 560 Ti is used only as a PhysX processor. Since I game at 1080p, I can play Metro 2033, Batman on ultra with PhysX and it's smooth because my GTX 670 does not need to process PhysX while the 560 Ti does that work.
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July 21, 2012 8:43:10 AM

Above the $175ish price point per card, in theory and in practice....two GPU's will always outperform the same investment in a single GPU and at a far lower price point. Two 560 Ti's gets 40% more fps than a single 580 for 16% less money. I have never seen micro-stuttering with $200 and above nVidia GFX cards. It's rare with CF once the drivers mature a few months.

SLI for the most part is perty good on day of release....some exceptions have occured, BF3 was a good example of one that took a while t resolve. CF on the other hand is always gonna take a few months to get drivers sorted. read the CF reviews for all the 7xxx cards on Guru#D....every one has 3 pr 4 games that couldn't run in CF in the review.

As others have said, the 670 tops the more expensive 7970.....at 1920 x 1200 / 1080 comparing the specially binned 7950 Ghz Edition and the Asus 670 TOP, we see the following:

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite: Hard Reset, COD-MW2, Far Cry 2, ANNO 1404, Metro 2033, ANNO 2070, BFBC2, BF3, Crysis 2, AvP, Lost Planet 2. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

7970 GHz - 953 fps ($0.53 per frame)
670 DCII TOP - 999 fps ($0.43 per frame)

Looking at techpowerup's tests which include Alan Wake, AvP, Batman Arkham City, BF3, BattleForge, CoD4, Civilization 5, Crysis, Crysis 2, Dirt 3, Dragon Age II, Hard Reset, Metro 2033, Stalker CoP, Starcraft 2, Shogun 2, Skyrim and WoW ..... we see a win again for the Asus 670 TOP with 1770.8 fps ($0.24 per frame) versus 1763.2 fps ($0.28per frame). Looking at "bang for the buck", that's a 17% (Guru3d Tests) and 24% (techpowerup tests) advantage for the Asus 670 TOP.

As far as the Asus TOP's competition ....

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA SC Boost Clock is 1046 outta the box....stable at 1200 Mhz
EVGA SC gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
Asus TOP Boost Clock is 1137 outta the box .... stable at 1280 Mhz
Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus 7% faster outta the box than the EVGA SC, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level). The FTW is slightly faster than the SC, leaving the Asus model w/ just a 5% performance advantage.

Compare the Asus and Gigabyte models here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX...

As for one high end card versus two in SLI

One GTX 680 gets 989 fps in Guru3D's test suite at a cost of $ 0.51 per frame and 1578 fps in SLI at $ 0.63 per frame
One 670 TOP gets 999 fps in Guru3D's test suite at a cost of $ 0.43 per frame and 1679 fps in SLI at $ 0.51 per frame
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July 21, 2012 8:45:24 AM

The FTW is faster than the SC card and it's binned while using the GTX 680 PCB and cooler as well as having 8 phase VRM vs the SC having 6. It's a hair faster than the ASUS TOP card too in most games out the box. It runs a few degrees more, but nothing terrible, as long as you have good airflow in your case, it will be fine ;) 

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/40613-evga-gefor...
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July 21, 2012 8:47:29 AM

hmmm.. Im still confused about the whole multi gpu area. So far I have been researching on radeons, mainly due to their lower power consumption and heat. The nvidia arena are totally new to me. If I go with the single GPU build, are there any changes on the other components above? Is there anything I missed that could bottle neck the build?
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July 21, 2012 8:48:56 AM

You will be fine, you would be able to even SLI the 670's and it will not bottleneck that CPU. Just OC the CPU and you are set. Another advantage of the FTW card is that it shoots all the hot air out the rear of the case vs the ASUS shooting some of it back into the case.
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July 21, 2012 8:54:11 AM

MSI Graphics Card N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC 2048MB GDDR5 = $560

EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2gb DDR5 = $530

EVGA GeForce GTX 670 Superclocked 2gb DDR5 = $560

Those are my only choices here in Saudi arabia for the 670 line

Do they all beat the 7970? And which would be the best of the 3?
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July 21, 2012 8:57:26 AM

Even a reference GTX 670 would beat a 7970 in most games except for Metro 2033 that tends to favor AMD cards.

I would go for the EVGA GTX 670 Superclocked as EVGA's customer service is unmatched when it comes to RMA and such. Even if you mod the card by installing aftermarket coolers, EVGA tells you to assemble the card back to it's factory condition and they will honor your warranty. That's one of the biggest reason why I usually go for EVGA cards.
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July 21, 2012 9:07:59 AM

Anyone else have a say on whether its better to get 1 7970 or 670SC as compared to 2 7850's???
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July 21, 2012 12:16:34 PM

wolfrahm21 said:
Anyone else have a say on whether its better to get 1 7970 or 670SC as compared to 2 7850's???


As the guys mentioned, you'd be faced with micro-stuttering if you decided to Crossfire. On top of that, multi-GPU requires more power than a single card solution.

Frankly I don't see the sense and need to put so much money into a gaming rig... especially with the parts being overpriced here. My new budget gaming rig consists of an i3-2100, B75 MATX board, Sapphire 6850, 4GB RAM and that's about it. I'm running Battlefield 3 at around 30 - 40 FPS and Crysis 2 40 - 50 FPS. This is at 1080p, full AA, maxed out. For someone like me, who can't see the difference between AA on and off, a build consisting of a Celeron G530 with a 7750 would've been just fine.
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July 21, 2012 2:49:29 PM

GTX 670 and 7970 stock clocks:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=508

keep in mind they do both come in O/C versions.

I've been running crossfire (3870,4870,5850,5870 and now 6950)with no issues and no microstuttering,It has been flawless for me.I would never go back to a single card again.
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July 21, 2012 3:33:07 PM

Earnie said:
GTX 670 and 7970 stock clocks:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=508

keep in mind they do both come in O/C versions.

I've been running crossfire (3870,4870,5850,5870 and now 6950)with no issues and no microstuttering,It has been flawless for me.I would never go back to a single card again.




Exactly as I have read somewhere, the newer cards never suffer from microstuttering anymore. Specially with updated drivers. And I need all the latest tech, so I can add-in more components as time passes...

But right now my budget would be for either 2 7850's or 1 7970 (This I will add another but maybe after 4 more months). Should I go dual right away or settle for just 1 7970/gtx 670 at the moment???
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July 21, 2012 3:35:09 PM

wolfrahm21 said:
Exactly as I have read somewhere, the newer cards never suffer from microstuttering anymore. Specially with updated drivers. And I need all the latest tech, so I can add-in more components as time passes...

But right now my budget would be for either 2 7850's or 1 7970 (This I will add another but maybe after 4 more months). Should I go dual right away or settle for just 1 7970/gtx 670 at the moment???


There's a lot of truth to this. My 7970s have no microstutter at all when they properly work in crossfire. There are a lot of instances where crossfire doesn't work properly but the frames still bounce between the GPUs which results in them both being idle 50% of the time
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July 21, 2012 4:31:08 PM

Finally havin feedback on radeons side. Honestly Im leaning on radeons, due to lower temps, coz Im gonna use this build to OC (not aggressively), as I will be using it for at least 3 years.

Any advise or tips on the build so far if I choose radeons? Also some info regarding the few instances that crossfire's dont work properly; what are the common problems so far?
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July 23, 2012 1:57:19 AM

@wolfrahm21 (OP), Where'd you hear the Radeons offer lower temps? If it is lower, it's not by more than 2 degrees, which shouldn't impact a purchasing decision: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-6...

Microstutter: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...
It's an issue if you go with a Radeon slower than a 6870. We're not talking about those cards though, so let's not worry about it.

As I said in the other thread, the $133 case seems really high to me when I'm used to seeing it for $70: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'd get anything with fan filters, front panel USB 3.0, and decent air flow.

I also said that $173 for a CPU cooler seems outrageous. How can you possibly justify that when it'll only save you 5 degrees over a Hyper 212+? If you're honestly such a hardcore overclocker that keeping your CPU at 55C while gaming instead of 62C matters, then you should look into a full water system, which will only cost you $300 or so and is much more effective since you're already in that price range ballpark. And are you should you mean a "Corsair HL100"? You probably mean an "H100".


Lastly, what gaming system do you currently use? I mean, you've talked about stepping up to a dual 7970 system for 1080p. I'll accept that and not ask questions if you're currently unhappy with your GTX 570. But if you're gaming on GTX 260 or 4870, then, not to be rude, but you really have no grasp of how much of an upgrade you're talking about. I personally can't justify more than my GTX 570 when it runs BF3 so fluidly and does everything else but Crysis 2 and Metro 2033 in 3D (nearly 120fps) quite well.

If you want more than a single 7970 (or even the first one IMO), I suggest you start putting money towards Eyefinity or 3D displays. I mean, we're talking hundreds of dollars so that you can max out BF3 and Crysis 2. Until more games come out that use high-end graphics, I can't possibly justify these top cards for 1080p.
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July 23, 2012 2:04:06 AM

wolfrahm21 said:
Finally havin feedback on radeons side. Honestly Im leaning on radeons, due to lower temps, coz Im gonna use this build to OC (not aggressively), as I will be using it for at least 3 years.

Any advise or tips on the build so far if I choose radeons? Also some info regarding the few instances that crossfire's dont work properly; what are the common problems so far?


The 7970s definitely do not run cooler than the 680s. They draw quite a bit more power (about 20% or so at similar clocks) due to differences in the architecture. The 7970 has 800 million more transistors than the 680 (4.3 billion vs 3.5 billion) but this gives it substantially more universal compute power.

The larger die size means that this power draw is spread out over a larger area.
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July 23, 2012 3:42:07 AM

wolfrahm21 said:
...Im gonna use this build to OC (not aggressively)...
Don't spend $173 on a cooler if you're not gonna aggressively OC.
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July 23, 2012 4:45:42 PM

@dalauder as I mentioned earlier prices here are not negotiable. And they have more NVIDIA cards here than AMD, so they also set high prices at them. So far the price difference of 7970 and 680 are so far up. So I would choose the 7970.

Also I need water cooling coz I need the system to last for years and I am aiming at a max of 4.5ghz or otherwise 4.2ghz.

Oh btw never owned a gaming rig, right now Im using a HP Laptop w/ nvidia 8400gs @ 256mb and core 2 duo @ 2.5ghz. My laptop graphics burned my mobo back in 2009 and being in saudi arabia took me 2 weeks to convince them for a replacement. (only the board though). And when I finally received my laptop with a new board. I found out they downlclocked it to avoid overheating to 128MB. So as you see I really am weary about NVIDIA products. This was a common problem with HP and DELL laptops.
So far I have been using that laptop till this day, surviving gloriously on 128mb graphics. I have been playing SC2, Diablo 3, Warhammer 4000 and COD MW 2 on ULTRA LOW settings all these years. So if you know what I mean I have been pissed all this time. And now I have a chance to build again, and I am hoping to make a build that can give me great gaming experience for at least 5 years...

@Pinhedd 680 way overpriced
http://www.softland.com.sa/index.php?route=product/prod...

Also I am planning on multi monitor in the near future. So I am still stuck on the decision of either a gtx670/HD7970 single or 2 7850's...
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July 23, 2012 4:49:34 PM

wolfrahm21 said:
@dalauder as I mentioned earlier prices here are not negotiable. And they have more NVIDIA cards here than AMD, so they also set high prices at them. So far the price difference of 7970 and 680 are so far up. So I would choose the 7970.

Also I need water cooling coz I need the system to last for years and I am aiming at a max of 4.5ghz or otherwise 4.2ghz.

Oh btw never owned a gaming rig, right now Im using a HP Laptop w/ nvidia 8400gs @ 256mb and core 2 duo @ 2.5ghz. My laptop graphics burned my mobo back in 2009 and being in saudi arabia took me 2 weeks to convince them for a replacement. (only the board though). And when I finally received my laptop with a new board. I found out they downlclocked it to avoid overheating to 128MB. So as you see I really am weary about NVIDIA products. This was a common problem with HP and DELL laptops.
So far I have been using that laptop till this day, surviving gloriously on 128mb graphics. I have been playing SC2, Diablo 3, Warhammer 4000 and COD MW 2 on ULTRA LOW settings all these years. So if you know what I mean I have been pissed all this time. And now I have a chance to build again, and I am hoping to make a build that can give me great gaming experience for at least 5 years...

@Pinhedd 680 way overpriced
http://www.softland.com.sa/index.php?route=product/prod...

Also I am planning on multi monitor in the near future. So I am still stuck on the decision of either a gtx670/HD7970 single or 2 7850's...


I wasn't trying to lead you towards the 680, just pointing out that the 7970s do draw a lot of power.

With the new drivers the 7970 edges out the 680 a little bit and has a reasonable lead over the 670. The 670 is probably a better deal for a single monitor at 1920x1080 but at 2560x1440, 2560x1600, or with multiple 1920x1080+ monitors the 7970 should be a no brainer imo.
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July 23, 2012 5:57:58 PM

Well the problem right now is. AMD has price cuts in the states. I dont know if it would be the case here as well. If they do however. It would be a sweet deal. So Im thinking of using the integrated 4000 that is with the ivy 3570k, and wait for maybe 2 months and if there is indeed a price roll over here as well.

I changed my mind on the chassis though. For exactly the same price, i will get the windowed version of the cm 690 II advanced with usb 3.0. So im gonna spend my time modding the chassis and getting nice cable management. I think the gpu's will have to wait for just a bit longer.
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July 23, 2012 6:02:53 PM

Pinhedd said:
I wasn't trying to lead you towards the 680, just pointing out that the 7970s do draw a lot of power.

With the new drivers the 7970 edges out the 680 a little bit and has a reasonable lead over the 670. The 670 is probably a better deal for a single monitor at 1920x1080 but at 2560x1440, 2560x1600, or with multiple 1920x1080+ monitors the 7970 should be a no brainer imo.


Yes indeed, I was gonna get the 670's but I think the 7970 is still the better card, considering their pricing is the same here in saudi arabia. They do tend to overprice more here on items that are in demand. Only here in saudi arabia you would find iphones that sells at $1453 on the first 6 weeks ;)  . Crazy merchants in here...
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July 23, 2012 11:48:36 PM

wolfrahm21 said:
@dalauder as I mentioned earlier prices here are not negotiable. And they have more NVIDIA cards here than AMD, so they also set high prices at them. So far the price difference of 7970 and 680 are so far up. So I would choose the 7970.

Also I need water cooling coz I need the system to last for years and I am aiming at a max of 4.5ghz or otherwise 4.2ghz.

Oh btw never owned a gaming rig, right now Im using a HP Laptop w/ nvidia 8400gs @ 256mb and core 2 duo @ 2.5ghz. My laptop graphics burned my mobo back in 2009 and being in saudi arabia took me 2 weeks to convince them for a replacement. (only the board though). And when I finally received my laptop with a new board. I found out they downlclocked it to avoid overheating to 128MB. So as you see I really am weary about NVIDIA products. This was a common problem with HP and DELL laptops.
So far I have been using that laptop till this day, surviving gloriously on 128mb graphics. I have been playing SC2, Diablo 3, Warhammer 4000 and COD MW 2 on ULTRA LOW settings all these years. So if you know what I mean I have been pissed all this time. And now I have a chance to build again, and I am hoping to make a build that can give me great gaming experience for at least 5 years...

@Pinhedd 680 way overpriced
http://www.softland.com.sa/index.php?route=product/prod...

Also I am planning on multi monitor in the near future. So I am still stuck on the decision of either a gtx670/HD7970 single or 2 7850's...
Yep, $750 for a GTX 680 isn't worth it compared to $600 for a 7970. I definitely agree with your opinion to wait a bit.

I get that THOSE parts are non-negotiable, but what I'm saying is that you aren't aware of the cooling performance of the items you selected. A Corsair H100 is [high-end] novelty water cooling--it's not comparable to a typical water cooling setup. Notice that it doesn't really beat a high performance air cooler on either performance or noise (Silver Arrow): http://www.anandtech.com/show/5054/corsair-hydro-series...
I just want you to know that spending $173 on cooling won't necessarily help your computer stay cooler or last longer. I've got my i7-2600K @ 4.5GHz on a Hyper 212+, which the high-end coolers like the Silver Arrow pretty handily beat. If you're gonna get the H100, get it because it's fun and doesn't block RAM slots, not because it'll perform any better than air coolers. Make sure the H100 fits in the case you choose--it needs dual 120mm (or is it 140mm?) rear exhaust openings.

You said "downclocked it to 128MB" from "256MB"? Downgraded? Double check what you mean on that because there's a chance there's some confusion on what you expect out of graphics performance. I was concerned you were talking about spending all this money on a step-up like this. Let's look at the graphics core more than the memory as once you get to over about 1GB of VRAM, it won't matter at 1080p resolution...for a lot of games anyways:
8400GS Mobile - 16 shaders
8800GT - 128 shaders
3x 8800GT ~ GTX 460 1GB v1
2x GTX 460 ~ 7850
1.5x 7850 ~ 7970

So you're talking about (and very roughly) a 128/16 x 3 x 2 = 48x upgrade in gaming performance JUST go step up to the 7850 (of course there's an adjustment for resolution). Unless you have played on a friend's computer with a GTX 460 or similar (Radeon 5850 or similar), you really have no idea how much overkill we're talking about. I personally think a single 7850's performance would blow your mind--considering how impressed I am with the performance of a single GTX 570, which is 10% or so weaker. It's your call, but I think you're overcompensating for the 8400GS you're using now.

What resolution are you gaming on? If it's multiple 1080p monitors or 2560x1400, then a lot of what I was saying needs to be adjusted.

Lastly, I want you to consider my bias. I don't believe in buying or recommending flagship cards because a step down will give you 92% of the performance at 70% of the price. So I'm more likely to recommend 7850's than 7970's or 680's.
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July 24, 2012 1:50:12 AM

wolfrahm21 said:
Yes indeed, I was gonna get the 670's but I think the 7970 is still the better card, considering their pricing is the same here in saudi arabia. They do tend to overprice more here on items that are in demand. Only here in saudi arabia you would find iphones that sells at $1453 on the first 6 weeks ;)  . Crazy merchants in here...


LOL at the $1453 for an iphone haha, but its true unfortunately. I believe only in Saudi you'll find people who insist that even the i7 2600K is not good enough for their needs... wolfrahm21, if you happened to pass by PC Time on Khalid Bin Waleed St, you'll notice they've got brochures for gaming builds... starting with Intel Xeons paired with a GT440 :lol:  ... and the build alone starts at SR6000!!!
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July 24, 2012 5:23:38 AM

Forde3654Eire said:
LOL at the $1453 for an iphone haha, but its true unfortunately. I believe only in Saudi you'll find people who insist that even the i7 2600K is not good enough for their needs... wolfrahm21, if you happened to pass by PC Time on Khalid Bin Waleed St, you'll notice they've got brochures for gaming builds... starting with Intel Xeons paired with a GT440 :lol:  ... and the build alone starts at SR6000!!!



Actually i did see those brochures... I was like.. Wtf??? And then i used it to clean my shoe! ;) 
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July 24, 2012 6:50:22 AM

@ dalauder


a shot of what must have been a 256 MB card, and here is what was promised:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8400M.html



I accepted the fact that they have made and engineering mistake on the exhaust of my laptop series. But its really sad that they will not accept recalls or replacement of different models and just settle on the fix (downclock). It was particularly hard for me at the time coz this is my work laptop and I needed it to be available quickly.

Also if you can check out the page softland.com.sa and check which in your opinion is the smart choice for an air cooling solution that beats the h100. I would appreciate the variety of options. As I really love the fact of having less dB, better chassis air flow and the aesthetics of the board if I put in the h100.

For the casing I dumped the idea of the enforcer and Im settling on the cm 690II advanced, which can accomodate 2 dual 140mm rads.
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July 24, 2012 7:41:34 AM

Oh, no doubt you got ripped when they downgraded you from 256MB to 128MB, but you'll see that it's not downclocked as the core clock (& shaders and memory) is running at the NVidia reference speed.

The card can ship in multiple non-reference memory configurations, according to the 8-series page on Wikipedia and they may have thought you wouldn't notice...at least I hope the guy repairing the laptop wasn't too ignorant to know the difference.

There are a lot of good choices on that site. But they're only really worth it over the H100 if they come in quieter or cheaper. It's important to find out whether the H100 availabe to purchase for you for $173 is the dual fan version that I think they just re-released.

Better than H100:
Zalman CNPS12X http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/323789-28-zalman-cnps...

A hair shy of the H100:
Thermaltake Frio http://www.overclock.net/t/1262091/corsair-h100-vs-ther...
Zalman CNPS9900 MAX http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=266...
CM Hyper 612P http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Hy...

Still very good:
CM Hyper 212 Evo
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July 24, 2012 8:12:09 AM

Much appreciated dalauder, checking out now each and everyone of those. H100 for sell here are dual fans. I love the look of the zalman cnps12x Im gonna compare it to the hyper 212 evo (very popular in forums, but does not look sexy IMO).
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July 24, 2012 9:20:44 AM

wolfrahm21, I forgot to mention, directly above Softland in City Center, there's Universal Computers, they have a huge variety of high-end GPUs, including a couple of GTX 690s! I got my Thermaltake V3 Black Edition discounted from there.

Here's their number: 6603370 / 6600256 - Ext 101 / 104
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July 24, 2012 11:49:57 AM

Yah there are actually 3 shops upstairs that offers the same products at softland, they are pricier though. But i think those indian salesman can be coerced to lower their prices a bit...
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July 24, 2012 8:59:22 PM

The Zalman CNPS12X is VERY capable, but like any large cooler, it has the potential to block RAM slots. So make sure to consider that and be careful about really high RAM heatsinks.
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August 3, 2012 11:22:41 PM

Hi everyone, I have acquired the chassis cm 690 II Advanced case and also got the mobo @ a lower price from Systems Computer. Now, as I am saving up to buy the rest of the build. I decided to buy the Case and the mobo and tommorow will also buy the PSU (and probably LED fans) to get a head start on cable management.

The chassis cm690 II Advanced USB 3.0 w/ window side panel, that I bought has a switch,





It is for the front intake 140mm LED fan of the case. I was curious if I could get a terminal box and route all my LED fans, instead of just the front intake fan.

This is how I plan to connect all the fans from that switch:



There is a molex connector sticking out there. So I am guessing that supplies power to the Esata hot swap bay, and I hope it also is for the intake fan LED. Can anyone confirm this. And if what I plan would work, without burning anything?

I have little to no knowledge, regarding electrical stuff and wirings. Suggestions will be very helpful, anyone?
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August 3, 2012 11:39:36 PM

Regarding my PSU Im seriously considering the Corsair TX 650 watts (aka Enthusiast Series) over my last choice of a Corsair GS700 PSU. Price is the same but I think the TX Series (seasonic manufactured) are more durable and heavy built than the GS line.
Is 650w more than enough though??

As I said I may have 2 7850's in my build in the future.
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