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September 9, 2012 11:15:26 AM

Hey guys.

Well first of all, I have to say I'm totally new at this gaming thing. A noob for sure. I haven't the faintest clue, about my requirements, so I hope mot of you will help me out : )


1. My budget is 2500 US dollars, but I'm willing to compromise UP or DOWN 500 dollars if someone can give me convincing evidence that thing will be suitable for me

2. Well , what do I have in mind? I want a good gaming rig which will let me play all the possible games.

3. I have already decided to buy the Dell U2713 HM 2560 x 1440 IPS panel monitor. That will cost me 800 dollars. That means my budget is 1700 dollars. But, once again IF SOMEONE CAN CONVINCE ME NOT TO BUY THAT AND INVEST IN something else, I am willing to listen : )

What I had in mind was


a. core i7 3770k
b. corsair domintor 16gb 2133mhz
c. Asus Maximus gene V
d.Cooler master Haf 912 chassis
e. seagate 1 tb HDD
f.any dvd rw maybe sony ?
g. PSU corsair 850w


I hope I'm I didn't miss anything out.

All suggestions would be welcome.

Thank you guys.





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September 9, 2012 11:29:19 AM

You left out arguably the most important part of a gaming rig, the graphics card...

Just wondering. Have you read this? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-budget-o...

And do you want to include peripherals in your budget, like (gaming-)keyboard, (gaming-)mouse, headset, speakers, maybe joystick/controller/steering wheel, etc...?

Also something you should think about is when you will want to invest in it again... Next year, two years from now, three years... And how much? Don't forget that what's top of the line right now will not be top of the line a year from now and "pretty outdated" in two years time.

2500 USD is a nice budget, but if you're starting from scratch it's better to buy more parts that are not exactly top of the line, and upgrade the parts that need upgrading most next year, than to spend top dollar on core parts, find you still need stuff to get going when you thought you'd be done (like the peripherals I mentioned) and then find you've gone way above your budget and still have an "outdated" gaming rig a year from now.

A good rule of thumb is to figure out for each part how long it will last you. Items like processor and graphics card are never top of the line for more than a year, while items like a case, power supply, monitor and peripherals will easily last you three years or more (if you invest in quality). Better to spend relatively more on the long-life items than on the short-life ones and budgetize for upgrading certain parts every year... To be more specific; your choice of processor and motherboard in my opinion is way too expensive relative to your budget and considering that the new Intel CPU/chipset/motherboard line is only about half a year away, I would spend a lot less on those (Asus/Intel still solid choice though, but go down the line) as those, and especially your graphics card, will be the first items up for upgrading summer of 2013... Sure, if you go top of the line on those now they will last a little bit longer, but they should in my opinion when starting from scratch not make up pretty much half your budget... I'd say spend no more than 500/600 right now on mobo/cpu/gpu and get yourself a top of the line case, good powersuply (I like Seasonic) and some nice peripherals... For a gaming rig from scratch, 800 for a monitor, as good as it is, may be excessive, as there's a lot happening there too. Maybe you should start with a nice one for about 200/300 and invest in a nice big SSD with the money you're saving there.
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September 9, 2012 11:37:07 AM

oh yeah .. sorry graphics card...

umm Sapphire Toxic 6gb 7970 maybe?


And i already have speakers peripherals etc. just need the main setup.
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September 9, 2012 11:43:50 AM

What you have specced is pretty overkill for a gaming build, generally you will struggle to spend over $2000 on a balanced gaming rig.

An $800 IPS monitor is way overkill, you just dont need that level of quality for gaming.
An i7 is overkill as games just wont use its Hyperthreading.
You do not need 16GB of 2133Mhz RAM, 8GB of 1600Mhz is plenty sufficient.
Very expensive motherboard isnt really required either.
You gonna house all this expensive hardware in a $50 case?
Good pick on the HDD though.
That GPU is way overkill for single monitor gaming.

Start a new thread, with this template filled out. We will have a much better idea of what you want and how to help you.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/353572-31-build-upgra...
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September 9, 2012 11:44:34 AM

Get a Core i5-3570k, there's practically nothing to be gained for gaming with more expensive CPUs.

Get a 600W PSU instead of that 850W unit, unless you plan to SLI/Crossfire.
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September 9, 2012 12:31:05 PM

Hi.
This PC will allow you to play every game at it's maximum settings for some time to come.It'only downside is that it isn;t very upgradable but by the time you actually need to upgrade it, the parts will be very outdated.I mean that in a good way.The PC will last you a lot of time.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($215.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Performer 81.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($413.78 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($413.78 @ NCIX US)
Case: Enermax Fulmo Advance ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: OCZ 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS224-06 DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.87 @ Amazon)
Total: $1714.34
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-09 08:29 EDT-0400)
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a b 4 Gaming
September 9, 2012 12:44:31 PM

And the other build i made you is also very good, it's not going to max out all games but it is very very upgradable.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3820 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme 81.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($238.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($413.78 @ NCIX US)
Case: Enermax Fulmo Advance ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 1000W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($186.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS224-06 DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.87 @ Amazon)
Total: $1714.05
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-09 08:45 EDT-0400)
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a b 4 Gaming
September 9, 2012 1:02:08 PM

The second build is poorly suited for gaming. An i7-3820 is a waste of money for that purpose. There's also little point in using DDR3-1866 over DDR3-1600 for gaming.
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September 9, 2012 1:13:37 PM

I'd like to add a few (more) comments to the above...

I agree with their processor choices/comments, but I'd just go with the (free!) stock Intel cooler as you don't need to spend a lot of money on a huge cooler if you're not going to overclock.

I'd go with an Asus P8Z77 motherboard... I've been building my own systems for almost 20 years and I've always been very happy with Asus MB's. In my current system I thought I'd try Asrock but I wish I hadn't for several reasons. I'm actually about to replace my Asrock Z68 with an Asus Z77 just cause I hate it so much.

I don't want to start an AMD/NVidia war, but personally I'd get an Asus GTX 660 Ti

I love my Seasonic X650 PSU and I would advise anyone to get one...

I'd also get a Crucial M4 512GB as my main drive, with two 2TB or 2.5TB harddisks for all my music/movies

I'd get 4x4=16GB RAM, but only 1600Mhz, faster is a waste of money in my opinion. Check the QVL for whatever motherboard you get and just get the cheapest you can find that's on that list...

And why not get 3 monitors? I hear gaming on 3 monitors kicks butt... Again, Asus probably not a bad choice.
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September 9, 2012 1:29:13 PM

oh, and one more thing... advising somebody who's admittingly a total noob to get watercooling... tssk tssk tssk...
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September 9, 2012 1:54:46 PM

geneticallygenius said:
Hey guys.

Well first of all, I have to say I'm totally new at this gaming thing. A noob for sure. I haven't the faintest clue, about my requirements, so I hope mot of you will help me out : )


1. My budget is 2500 US dollars, but I'm willing to compromise UP or DOWN 500 dollars if someone can give me convincing evidence that thing will be suitable for me

2. Well , what do I have in mind? I want a good gaming rig which will let me play all the possible games.

3. I have already decided to buy the Dell U2713 HM 2560 x 1440 IPS panel monitor. That will cost me 800 dollars. That means my budget is 1700 dollars. But, once again IF SOMEONE CAN CONVINCE ME NOT TO BUY THAT AND INVEST IN something else, I am willing to listen : )

What I had in mind was


a. core i7 3770k
b. corsair domintor 16gb 2133mhz
c. Asus Maximus gene V
d.Cooler master Haf 912 chassis
e. seagate 1 tb HDD
f.any dvd rw maybe sony ?
g. PSU corsair 850w


I hope I'm I didn't miss anything out.

All suggestions would be welcome.

Thank you guys.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...
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September 9, 2012 2:29:00 PM

Yaldenski said:
I'd like to add a few (more) comments to the above...

I agree with their processor choices/comments, but I'd just go with the (free!) stock Intel cooler as you don't need to spend a lot of money on a huge cooler if you're not going to overclock.

I'd go with an Asus P8Z77 motherboard... I've been building my own systems for almost 20 years and I've always been very happy with Asus MB's. In my current system I thought I'd try Asrock but I wish I hadn't for several reasons. I'm actually about to replace my Asrock Z68 with an Asus Z77 just cause I hate it so much.

I don't want to start an AMD/NVidia war, but personally I'd get an Asus GTX 660 Ti

I love my Seasonic X650 PSU and I would advise anyone to get one...

I'd also get a Crucial M4 512GB as my main drive, with two 2TB or 2.5TB harddisks for all my music/movies

I'd get 4x4=16GB RAM, but only 1600Mhz, faster is a waste of money in my opinion. Check the QVL for whatever motherboard you get and just get the cheapest you can find that's on that list...

And why not get 3 monitors? I hear gaming on 3 monitors kicks butt... Again, Asus probably not a bad choice.


Yeah i was thinking about eyefinity .. but see, I've heard that 2500 x 1440 monitor kicks ass too...

Opinion on that would help ..

3 monitors or one 2500 x 1440
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September 9, 2012 2:34:51 PM

Yaldenski said:
You left out arguably the most important part of a gaming rig, the graphics card...

Just wondering. Have you read this? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-budget-o...

And do you want to include peripherals in your budget, like (gaming-)keyboard, (gaming-)mouse, headset, speakers, maybe joystick/controller/steering wheel, etc...?

Also something you should think about is when you will want to invest in it again... Next year, two years from now, three years... And how much? Don't forget that what's top of the line right now will not be top of the line a year from now and "pretty outdated" in two years time.

2500 USD is a nice budget, but if you're starting from scratch it's better to buy more parts that are not exactly top of the line, and upgrade the parts that need upgrading most next year, than to spend top dollar on core parts, find you still need stuff to get going when you thought you'd be done (like the peripherals I mentioned) and then find you've gone way above your budget and still have an "outdated" gaming rig a year from now.

A good rule of thumb is to figure out for each part how long it will last you. Items like processor and graphics card are never top of the line for more than a year, while items like a case, power supply, monitor and peripherals will easily last you three years or more (if you invest in quality). Better to spend relatively more on the long-life items than on the short-life ones and budgetize for upgrading certain parts every year... To be more specific; your choice of processor and motherboard in my opinion is way too expensive relative to your budget and considering that the new Intel CPU/chipset/motherboard line is only about half a year away, I would spend a lot less on those (Asus/Intel still solid choice though, but go down the line) as those, and especially your graphics card, will be the first items up for upgrading summer of 2013... Sure, if you go top of the line on those now they will last a little bit longer, but they should in my opinion when starting from scratch not make up pretty much half your budget... I'd say spend no more than 500/600 right now on mobo/cpu/gpu and get yourself a top of the line case, good powersuply (I like Seasonic) and some nice peripherals... For a gaming rig from scratch, 800 for a monitor, as good as it is, may be excessive, as there's a lot happening there too. Maybe you should start with a nice one for about 200/300 and invest in a nice big SSD with the money you're saving there.



Oh btw, you talk a lot of sense. You are right, I probably would be changing my graphics card and processor every time a new one comes out...

sigh, maybe i shudnt be sooo excited to get top notch things : (
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September 9, 2012 3:06:19 PM

As to the original build.....

-Budget case in a high end build ?
-Micro ATX MoBo ?
-27" IPS is great for photo editing, but so so for gaming which is your intended use.

With $2500 to spend, I'd want

.... a top notch case.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

...... a 10.0 jonnyguru performance rated PSU
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

..... Great overclocking MoBo w/ 5 year warranty
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4878/asus_sabertooth_z...

...... a Tier 1 SSD
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-...

.... a HD w/ 5 year warranty, that Seagate has 1 year

..... a top of the class cooler w/ 5 year warranty
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe...

..... Low voltage, low profile RAM

..... I haven't found a GFX card that OC's higher (1280 MHz) than this one.... the difference between the DCII and DCII TOP is hand picked GPUs
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

-At $2k plus, a 120Hz, 3D monitor

Case - $95 - Corsair Carbide 500R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $145 - Corsair HX850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $456 - ASUSSabertooth w/ CPU combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl - Intel Core i7-3570K
Cooler - $90 - Phanteks PH-TC14PE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $52 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair LV RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $420 - Asus GTX 670 DCII http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Asus GTX 670 DCII Later
HD - $110 Cavia Black 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $190 - Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240 GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $47 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home Premium http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor $330 ASUS VG236H Black 23" 120 Hz Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $2,040

Possible Upgrades:

$220 extra gets ya a 27" 120 Hz Monitor
Monitor - $550 - ASUS VG Series VG278H 27" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$660 gets ya two more 23" monitors

$420 gets that 2nd card in SLI

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September 9, 2012 3:11:03 PM

You can buy a 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitor for $390 with free shipping if you search for Catleap on eBay.
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September 9, 2012 3:28:47 PM

geneticallygenius said:
Oh btw, you talk a lot of sense. You are right, I probably would be changing my graphics card and processor every time a new one comes out...

sigh, maybe i shudnt be sooo excited to get top notch things : (



Thanks!...

Let me see if I can add to it... Here's a few questions for you...

1. What kind of games do you like playing? Shooters? Racing games? RPG's? Do you play just one or two genres or pretty much everything?
2. Will you use your PC for strictly gaming or will you also use it for other stuff like downloading/playing music/movies from, editing video's/pictures, making music yourself, office work, whatever?
3. Spending more or less 2500 USD on the basic system now, how much will you want to spend on upgrades/updates in 2013 and 2014?
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September 9, 2012 4:20:40 PM

Anyway, If I had about 2500 USD to spend on a gaming rig, not knowing your answers to my above questions, and assuming that spending all that money you will want to use it for more than just gaming, here's what I'd get;

Case: I have no idea why you picked the one you did, but my preference is a quiet case as I find a noisy computer very irritating. I built my current system last year and I got a Fractal Design R3 and I'm happy with it.... Quiet, not very expensive and very decent quality for the price http://fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod...

Mother board: Like I said before... I would definitely get an Asus board... I've had a lot of them and never had an issue where the one time I went with something else (Asrock Z68 Extreme4) I regretted it almost immediately. One of Asus' ROG Maximus boards is in my opinion too expensive for your budget and doesn't really offer anything extra if you're not going to overclock it, and even then, unless you're going to extremely overclock it, a P8Z77 board will do just as well, for a lot less. You will need to figure out which one to get, basic question there is do you need WiFi from your motherboard or not...

Processor: I would get an Intel i7... Sure, you don't need 8 cores (with hyperthreading) for just gaming, but if you're going to run other stuff while you're gaming (virusscanner, messenger, torrent, etc), it does make sense to have 8 instead of 4 or 2 cores running... Don't spend more than about 250 to 300 USD on it though! Together with the Asus P8Z77 board, you will not need to upgrade this for a few years.

Cooler: Unless you're going to overclock, the free standard Intel cooler that comes with the CPU will do just fine. Even for lighter overclocks it will do fine. Spending money on a third party cooler only makes sense if you want to overclock your CPU to the limit.

Memory: You don't need more than 8GB (or even 4GB) for strictly gaming, but again, as you'll probably have more stuff running while you're gaming and since memory is not very expensive at the moment, I would get 16GB too. But don't pay double for probably less than 2% performance increase and just get the cheapest 4x4GB 1600MHz kit on the QVL (Qualified Vendors List, you can download it from the website of the maker of whatever mother board you're going with)... Also don't worry about latency... Several tests have shown that the actual performance difference is negligible so pretty much a waste of money unless you have between 5K and 10K USD to spend...

System drive: I would get a Crucial M4 512GB SSD as your main system disk. The Crucial M4 has shown to be very reliable and a solid performer. Again, you could spend double on a drive with a few percent or less performance gain, but you don't have 5K or 10K to spend... 512GB because ideally you want it to never be more than half full and 256GB, with a bunch of large games on it, will fill up pretty quickly...

Storage: You should always back up your important files like photo's etc... But assuming you won't have an external storage and make regular backups, get 2 large (2GB or 2.5GB) disks and run them mirrored, so that if one of them dies, you don't lose all your data and you will have plenty of space for a full backup of your system drive too.

Graphics: You may or may not know about the continuing AMD/NVidia flame wars... I'm a NVidia guy, but I guess that just comes down to what side you want to be on... Like I said, the GTX 660 Ti seems a very respectable card at the moment at a good price and I would go with Asus as I've never had an issue with an Asus NVidia card. This is something you're probably going to want to upgrade next summer when the 700 series comes out, so don't spend too much money here for now (500 USD and more). If you do want to spend more, you could go for a 670, but anything more expensive than that is just too big a slice out of your budget.

Soundcard: Don't really need one unless you're an audiophile without a proper digital amp (not using your motherboard's digital out)

And then the monitor issue... If you're going to spend 800USD on a monitor, for gaming and other tasks like office work, surfing the web, etc, unless you're doing (semi-)pro photo/video editing, three less expensive monitors are going to give you a lot more than a single high-end one, and they will look a lot cooler on your desk too. Like I said, Asus makes nice ones and you could even have a go at 3D gaming with the included 3D glasses... http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VG236H/

Oops, forgot the power supply; I have a Seasonic X650 Which pretty much dominates every group test it's been in... 650 W is plenty for the above with room to spare, and the cool thing about this PSU is that the fan only starts to run when it's needed, so the rest of the time it's completely quiet. I've found that over time PSU fans get noisier and noisier so one that is actually always quiet is really cool... Mine has been working for about a year and a half now and I don't think the fan has made a single rotation yet. I expect to be able to use this power supply for the next 5 to 10 years so the extra 20 or 30 USD here makes a lot of sense in my opinion, considering that (to the best of my knowledge), all the other ones have fans that run all the time (increasingly) producing noise and shortening their lifetimes.
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September 9, 2012 4:35:42 PM

Yaldenski said:
Thanks!...

Let me see if I can add to it... Here's a few questions for you...

1. What kind of games do you like playing? Shooters? Racing games? RPG's? Do you play just one or two genres or pretty much everything?
2. Will you use your PC for strictly gaming or will you also use it for other stuff like downloading/playing music/movies from, editing video's/pictures, making music yourself, office work, whatever?
3. Spending more or less 2500 USD on the basic system now, how much will you want to spend on upgrades/updates in 2013 and 2014?


Umm yeah you're right mostly sport games like racing, need for speed on one front. And on 2nd genre I play open world genres like Assasins Creed. Buh i am known to switch around. Sometimes I play 3rd person shooter too if it's good, so you can never be too sure.

I will be downloading lots of movies and music. I already have a Seagate 1tb Usb 3.0 external HDD .. No office work. I use 3ds Max recrationally though ( thought that might be important.. no clue !) and trust me it sticks on my pentium 4.I cant even get the 1080p movies to play on P4 !!

Yes to question number 3. Continuous upgrades. Before I was short of cash, now that I've landed myself a job and stability, I have no problems spending 2000 dollars every 6 months. Thats peanuts. That being said, I dont wanna waste money either !!!

One more question I have for you. People have told me good speakers are enough. High end 5.1 systems don't matter because rarely in gaming would you care about it. I am not sure !!!

Hope that helps you a bit. : )
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September 9, 2012 4:37:26 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
As to the original build.....

-Budget case in a high end build ?
-Micro ATX MoBo ?
-27" IPS is great for photo editing, but so so for gaming which is your intended use.

With $2500 to spend, I'd want

.... a top notch case.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

...... a 10.0 jonnyguru performance rated PSU
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

..... Great overclocking MoBo w/ 5 year warranty
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4878/asus_sabertooth_z...

...... a Tier 1 SSD
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-...

.... a HD w/ 5 year warranty, that Seagate has 1 year

..... a top of the class cooler w/ 5 year warranty
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe...

..... Low voltage, low profile RAM

..... I haven't found a GFX card that OC's higher (1280 MHz) than this one.... the difference between the DCII and DCII TOP is hand picked GPUs
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

-At $2k plus, a 120Hz, 3D monitor

Case - $95 - Corsair Carbide 500R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $145 - Corsair HX850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $456 - ASUSSabertooth w/ CPU combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl - Intel Core i7-3570K
Cooler - $90 - Phanteks PH-TC14PE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $52 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair LV RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $420 - Asus GTX 670 DCII http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Asus GTX 670 DCII Later
HD - $110 Cavia Black 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $190 - Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240 GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $47 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home Premium http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor $330 ASUS VG236H Black 23" 120 Hz Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $2,040

Possible Upgrades:

$220 extra gets ya a 27" 120 Hz Monitor
Monitor - $550 - ASUS VG Series VG278H 27" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$660 gets ya two more 23" monitors

$420 gets that 2nd card in SLI



Although I like your things,do you find the corsair 500R attractive?

I don't know ... If I spend 2000 dollars on a system, ,I want the casing to look bad ass.. It just looks too simplistic to me.

Maybe I am wrong !!!
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September 9, 2012 4:50:33 PM

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Anyway, If I had about 2500 USD to spend on a gaming rig, not knowing your answers to my above questions, and assuming that spending all that money you will want to use it for more than just gaming, here's what I'd get;

Case: I have no idea why you picked the one you did, but my preference is a quiet case as I find a noisy computer very irritating. I built my current system last year and I got a Fractal Design R3 and I'm happy with it.... Quiet, not very expensive and very decent quality for the price http://fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod...

Case :

I picked it cuz i find the color scheme interesting !!! nothing else lol


Motherboard :

Once again , You are right, I don't know the first thing about overclocking but if Maximus was in my budget I'd get it : (

Processor :

Agreed

Memory :

Agreed

Cooler :

How does a cooler even work ? : (

HDD: So you want me to just get an SSD and ignore the HDD completely ?

Storage : Maybe I can get another Seagate 1 tb no problem

Graphics : lol , I've been using ATI since i wax born, and I guess I'm partial to them : ) But on a P4 I have 4650 .. which sucks !!

PSU: I really don't care about this at all. Whatever works best for me, I am okay with.

Sound card : Awwww , do I really need one ?



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September 9, 2012 5:17:54 PM

Case: Ok, fair enough... Here's what you should think about though... On the one extreme, you will be wearing headphones all the time that your PC is on, so it doesn't matter if it sounds like a vacuum cleaner, while on the other extreme, it will be in your bedroom downloading torrents while you're trying to sleep and a constant noise from it will get very annoying very quickly...

Overclocking: Short answer; Don't even think about it. Very worst case scenario, you will blow up your system (I will catch flack for this, I know), medium bad case scenario, you will shorten the life of your parts and have a less stable PC and best case scenario, if you know what you're doing, you will get a bunch of extra frames per second from your games, but my advice, unless overclocking is your specific thrill, just don't! And that means, no sense in buying twice as expensive equipment that's twice as expensive only cause it's specially made for overclocking, like the Asus ROG series. Your money will be much better spent elsewhere.

Cooler: It's like a radiator in your car, it transports the heat out of your CPU/engine, preventing it from overheating. If you buy a boxed Intel CPU, it will come with a free Intel cooler that will do fine even in moderate overclocks... Only if you're going to overclock it to the max does it make sense to spend extra money on a third party cooler (or maybe also if you have a case with a window on the side and you just want it to look cool).

System drive/Storage: No, I'm saying that a 2500 USD Gaming rig should definitely have an SSD as the system drive, in addition to mirrored (RAID) hard disks for regular storage and easy internal backups. In addition to that it would still be a good idea to have some form of external back up too, but since people very often find external backup too much hassle, until they lose all their data, I say, SSD as system drive, mirrored large harddisks for regular storage and easy backup of your system drive. Please let me know if you want me to further expand on this.

AMD/Ati/NVidia: Ok, I'm not going to try to convince you to go with NVidia, but I could come up with a few reasons why I would/think you should, no doubt immediately starting a flame war, so I won't.

PSU: I know, and I understand... Don't take this the wrong way, but you did say you're a total noob ;-) PSU's are important. A bad PSU can make your system unstable and in the worst case even damage it. A PSU is also often one of the noisiest components and it's very often (if it's a good one) the one thing that will last you several builds, second perhaps only to your case... So here spending a little bit extra on quality and low noise does make a lot of sense and definitely pays for itself in the long run...

Sound card: Nope, you don't need one at all basically. The ones built into most motherboards do an excellent job in most but a few very specific cases.
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September 9, 2012 5:28:58 PM

"One more question I have for you. People have told me good speakers are enough. High end 5.1 systems don't matter because rarely in gaming would you care about it. I am not sure !!!"

Ok, when you're playing games you get feedback from your PC in two ways (if we forget about motion feedback from controllers/mice) Visually through the monitor and audibly through your speakers, so quality sound IS very important. It's half the feedback you get. 5.1 over 2.1 or 2.0 makes a LOT of sense as most if not all games have 5.1 sound so you would be selling yourself short to go for anything less, especially considering the amount of money you're spending... It DOES also help if you can hear that there's an enemy creeping up behind you or if that monster is out of sight to your right or to your left. And obviously, the better your sound, the more you will enjoy it. If you're playing a race game it's very nice if it really sounds like you're actually in the race instead of just listening to it through a boombox. Explosions are much better if you feel them too, which is what a good sound system will do for you. I have my PC hooked up to my Yamaha AV Receiver and HiFi 5.1 speaker set... Anything less would be a BIG BIG BIG step back for me... And that's just for gaming and not even mentioning what it does for playing music and watching movies... Good sound in my opinion is definitely NOT something you want to budgetize on... Of course on the other hand, it's also something that's very easy to improve on later... My recommendation: If you're spending 2500 USD on a gaming rig, spend another 2500 USD on a good amp and good speakers to hook it up to.


About the triple monitor vs. single monitor thing... There was a very interesting article on it a few months ago... I think it was on Tom's but it may have been Anand or another big site, but unfortunately I can't find it right now... Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Also for doing things like recreational use of 3D Max, multiple monitors make a lot of sense... You could have one showing your messenger, e-mail or whatever, the second one showing your 3D Max toolbox and the third your 3D Max workspace... In my opinion this will definitely beat a single monitor setup, even if the single monitor has better color reproduction and higher definition.
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September 10, 2012 7:33:42 AM

Yaldenski said:
"One more question I have for you. People have told me good speakers are enough. High end 5.1 systems don't matter because rarely in gaming would you care about it. I am not sure !!!"

Ok, when you're playing games you get feedback from your PC in two ways (if we forget about motion feedback from controllers/mice) Visually through the monitor and audibly through your speakers, so quality sound IS very important. It's half the feedback you get. 5.1 over 2.1 or 2.0 makes a LOT of sense as most if not all games have 5.1 sound so you would be selling yourself short to go for anything less, especially considering the amount of money you're spending... It DOES also help if you can hear that there's an enemy creeping up behind you or if that monster is out of sight to your right or to your left. And obviously, the better your sound, the more you will enjoy it. If you're playing a race game it's very nice if it really sounds like you're actually in the race instead of just listening to it through a boombox. Explosions are much better if you feel them too, which is what a good sound system will do for you. I have my PC hooked up to my Yamaha AV Receiver and HiFi 5.1 speaker set... Anything less would be a BIG BIG BIG step back for me... And that's just for gaming and not even mentioning what it does for playing music and watching movies... Good sound in my opinion is definitely NOT something you want to budgetize on... Of course on the other hand, it's also something that's very easy to improve on later... My recommendation: If you're spending 2500 USD on a gaming rig, spend another 2500 USD on a good amp and good speakers to hook it up to.


About the triple monitor vs. single monitor thing... There was a very interesting article on it a few months ago... I think it was on Tom's but it may have been Anand or another big site, but unfortunately I can't find it right now... Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Also for doing things like recreational use of 3D Max, multiple monitors make a lot of sense... You could have one showing your messenger, e-mail or whatever, the second one showing your 3D Max toolbox and the third your 3D Max workspace... In my opinion this will definitely beat a single monitor setup, even if the single monitor has better color reproduction and higher definition.



Thanks man. You've been awesome help.

So this is the tentative rig I have in mind. What do you think about this ?


Processor : Core i7 3770k for $329.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo : Asus P8Z77v-LK for $ 149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphic Card : Radeon HD 7970 3gb Sapphire for $429.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory : Corsair Dominator 16gb 1600 Mhz for $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU : CoolerMaster 1000W for $184.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Seagate 1tb for $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD: Crucial 512gb for $ 394.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Casing : Corsair 600t for $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: Hmm, that was a toughie but I have a deal for 3 Dell 22 inch monitors for around 400 dollars?

Total : $ 2249.92


I know I've prolly gone overboard with the PSU but as you said, PSU"s rarely get changed and if I plan to crossfire later on that extra power would really help

Would you change anything else?

Thanks : )


P.S I might buy logitech z906 for around 330 dollars to make it up to 2500 dollars : )
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September 10, 2012 7:34:14 AM

Best answer selected by geneticallygenius.
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September 10, 2012 7:46:37 AM

Coolermaster Power Supply is a no. They make great cases, not PSU's.
The brands to get Power supply's from are Seasonic, Corsair, XFX and some Silverstone units.
Also a 1000W is way (as in very) overkill for that rig, considering you cant even put in more than two graphics cards.
Seasonic X750, 80+ Gold Fully modular. $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That supply is modular and a better efficiency, as well as a better brand behind it.

Can you link the monitors? A decent 1080p monitor is ~$200, so that is either a great deal or somethings off that they hope you wont notice.
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September 10, 2012 11:16:47 AM

manofchalk said:
The brands to get Power supply's from are Seasonic, Corsair, XFX and some Silverstone units.

+ Antec.
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September 10, 2012 6:29:20 PM

geneticallygenius said:
Thanks man. You've been awesome help.

So this is the tentative rig I have in mind. What do you think about this ?


Processor : Core i7 3770k for $329.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo : Asus P8Z77v-LK for $ 149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphic Card : Radeon HD 7970 3gb Sapphire for $429.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory : Corsair Dominator 16gb 1600 Mhz for $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU : CoolerMaster 1000W for $184.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Seagate 1tb for $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD: Crucial 512gb for $ 394.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Casing : Corsair 600t for $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: Hmm, that was a toughie but I have a deal for 3 Dell 22 inch monitors for around 400 dollars?

Total : $ 2249.92


I know I've prolly gone overboard with the PSU but as you said, PSU"s rarely get changed and if I plan to crossfire later on that extra power would really help

Would you change anything else?

Thanks : )


P.S I might buy logitech z906 for around 330 dollars to make it up to 2500 dollars : )



Hi Again, thanks again and you're welcome...

Yes, I do still have some comments :-)

1. 1000 Watts was overkill a few years ago when CPU's and GPU's needed a lot more power than the current generations do... Now it's ultra-overkill... And please, just do yourself a favor and get a Seasonic X series... I'm still absolutely sure that a 650/660 Watt one will do just fine for you, even if you get a second GPU + additional HDD's, but go ahead and get a 760 or even 850 one if it makes you feel more comfortable... http://www.seasonicusa.com/NEW_X-series_560-660-760-850... If you absolutely insist on getting a 1000W one, and it has to be from Newegg, then get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (As you will only be using probably 20% to 40% of its capability or less, most of the time, at least get one that's very efficient saving you a lot of money on your power bill and building up a lot less heat in your system)... You could check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_PLUS for more info on efficiency ratings... Best efficiency is obtained when the system draws about 50% of the Wattage of the PSU.. Your system will draw somewhere between 150 and 350 most of the time when in use, a lot less when idle, so for best efficiency matched to your system, get something around 650 Watts like I said in the first place, and then a Gold rating is good, Platinum better of course but probably not worth the extra money over a Gold rated one unless you're going to keep it running 24/7 The system as you have it above would be just fine running on a good quality 350W PSU and the 650W PSU is already taking into account possible multiple GPU's in the future! With all the excess heat build up caused by an unnecessary 1000W PSU, you are very likely shortening the life of your system!

2. No issues with your choice of MoBo/CPU... They should make you happy for a good few years to come...

3. Taking my advice on the 512GB Crucial M4 I see... This I'm sure will also make you happy for a good few years...

4. Hmm, going with just a single 1TB HDD... I would get 2 bigger ones and run them in RAID/Mirrored but you may get lucky and not have it die on you, and you may not download quite as much as I do... But this choice I fear may come back to haunt you, unless you are really good at making regular backups to your external drives. Also, since you are getting the big SSD as a system drive, you don't really need a 7200RPM HDD. Using not much more power and producing not much more heat/noise, why not spend 140 bucks more here and go for 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... buying you twice the space and a lot less chance of losing all your data if/when (one of) your HDD('s) dies on you? It will also make it a lot less important to make regular backups to your external drive, not to mention easier as you can just set it to do automated backups of your system drive and forget about that...

5. Then the Graphics card... I would personally spend a little bit less here and upgrade it again first half of next year when the new ones come out... And why the Saphire? I have no experience with Saphire cards, but my choice here would be http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... which would pretty much pay for the HDD thing. Also, I know you like AMD, but please just go ahead and read http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev... and http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-... before you make your final decision...

6. 3 Dell 22 inch monitors for around 400 dollars? Well, hard to give an opinion without more details, but 22"? Even though you are getting 3 of them, don't you think you'd want them to be a little bit bigger than 22" ones? From all your parts, this (and possibly your GPU) is where you're spending the most money, so this is where it's going to hurt most if you're unhappy with your purchase. Your GPU will be outdated within a year, so that's why I'm saying, spend a little less there... Your monitor set up should last you several years, so that's why I'm saying spend a little more here... How about (yes, Asus again, sorry, but didn't you say you want to buy quality kit?) 3x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I didn't actually do a lot of research here, so you could probably find something better/cheaper/without 3x speakers which you won't need) Oh, wait... yeah, you also have 400 bucks in your SSD... Well, if you're looking to shave some money off, and you won't have too many large games installed at once, you could go with just a 256GB one there and save another $200 or so there... hmmm, decisions, decisions ;-)

I'm off to enjoy what's left of my evening now, have a good one!

Oh, I forgot one more thing... The memory you picked, it's not actually on the QVL, although very close... It probably won't matter, but better to be safe than sorry and just get something that IS on the QVL... http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...

and the very last thing... Why not spend 20 or 30 bucks on a DVD writer? As far as I'm concerned there isn't really any brand that's better than any other brand at the moment (I think they're all **** nowadays) but LG, Samsung, Sony, whatever...
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