GTX 660 Ti / GTX 660

Is this where I troll-post that they cancelled it?

normally i would post this on the kepler sticky thread but since the the original thread has been closed by mod so i just make a new one :P. just hoping if anyone can share any useful info about the topic

according to http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=670&card2= it comes out 8/7/12

660Ti comes out August 16th for $299 apparently, thats the latest news anyway.

http://videocardz.com/33859/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-to-be-released-on-august-16th

cypherx said:

660Ti comes out August 16th for $299 apparently, thats the latest news anyway.

http://videocardz.com/33859/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-to-be-released-on-august-16th

I 2nd that date. Also, there is a lot of debate on whether this will be a third trimming of the GK104, or it will be the fabled GK106.

Maxx_Power said:

I 2nd that date. Also, there is a lot of debate on whether this will be a third trimming of the GK104, or it will be the fabled GK106.

GK104 i reckon

from the articles i read,nvidia might be shipping 3 SKUs - 670 SE,660 Ti,660 @ prices $300,$250,$200 respectively

Anik8 said:

from the articles i read,nvidia might be shipping 3 SKUs - 670 SE,660 Ti,660 @ prices $300,$250,$200 respectively

Hopefully that is an indication of what the performance will be like compared to AMD.

I heard 660Ti, 660 and GTS 650 (Naming Unclear)

http://videocardz.com/33874/geforce-gts-650-is-3-faster-than-gts-550-ti

devilofdeaths said:

according to http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=670&card2= it comes out 8/7/12

well date aside (which indicate the card will launch in august) i think everything else are made up. first up they list the card will have 240GB/s bandwidth available to it but GTX680 only have 192GB/s based on the spec nvidia gives us. i don't think lower lower clock GK104 with lower memory clock (5Gbps vs 6Gbps) will yield higher memory bandwidth than what GTX680 have right now. plus they also mention the chip will be GK104 and still list shader clock as 1700mhz (double the core clock they predicted for this card) and we all know nvidia drop hot clock with kepler architecture.

cypherx said:

660Ti comes out August 16th for $299 apparently, thats the latest news anyway.

http://videocardz.com/33859/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-to-be-released-on-august-16th

that's the news i heard as well. either 16th or 19th of august.

Maxx_Power said:

I 2nd that date. Also, there is a lot of debate on whether this will be a third trimming of the GK104, or it will be the fabled GK106.

some rumor suggested the Ti version of 660 will have similar SMX configuration as GTX670 but with lower clock, memory interface and VRAM. so far what the core clock will is still unknown (except the site from gpu review that linked above which suggesting it will be 850mhz fir the core) but they say the card will have 192 bit memory interface with 1.5GB (or 3GB) memory installed on it.

as for the non-Ti version it will be either more cut down version of GK104 (6 SMX maybe?) or it will be the based on GK106 that we almost didn't have any info on it. personally i don't think GK106 ever exist at all. my take is if the chip ever existed we must seeing more leaked info in regards to the chip right now. btw this is just my personal opinion so i don't have any source or links to backup this claim :P

cypherx said:

I heard 660Ti, 660 and GTS 650 (Naming Unclear)

http://videocardz.com/33874/geforce-gts-650-is-3-faster-than-gts-550-ti

honestly i'm interested on what exactly are this GTS650. based on the rumoured spec it will have higher clock than GT640 and will be using GDDR5 memory instead of GDDR3 found in GT640. some leak bench also shows it will be around 44% faster than GT640. but what really caught my attention is despite being clock much higher and using more power hungry GDDR5 the raise in power consumption is only 5 watt! (65w vs 70w). this is the only part that hardly believable to me. but then again nvidia able to make GTX690 consumes for 300w despite being able to perform as fast as GTX680 in SLI.

This one seems pretty legit to me...

http://tech2.in.com/news/graphics-cards/specifications-of-nvidias-geforce-gtx-660-ti-leaked/333472

Anik8 said:

This one seems pretty legit to me...

http://tech2.in.com/news/graphics-cards/specifications-of-nvidias-geforce-gtx-660-ti-leaked/333472

Yeah, similar posting here at Techpowerup on the final specifications of the 660 Ti being released:

http://www.techpowerup.com/169557/GeForce-GTX-660-Ti-Specifications-and-Launch-Date-Released.html

It looks like the GTX 660 Ti is going to again make the 7950 moot at its current price ($320 after MIR), just like the GTX 670 did at $399.

17seconds said:

It looks like the GTX 660 Ti is going to again make the 7950 moot at its current price ($320 after MIR), just like the GTX 670 did at $399.

Would have been nice if it wasn't the end of the summer to launch 660. I'm starting to think about HD8000 series already.

Some more information here and pictures.

Final spec info:
http://videocardz.com/33928/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-final-specification

Pics:
http://videocardz.com/33942/evga-geforce-gtx-660-ti-pictured

lol i think maybe we can start sticky thread for GTX660 already :P

Some more information indicating at a 256-bit version.

http://videocardz.com/33968/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-also-in-256-bit-version

renz496 said:

lol i think maybe we can start sticky thread for GTX660 already :P

I don't see the point in that, people are still going to start their own threads about it whether there is a sticky or not.

very true. plus people always stray away in the sticky thread main topic which lead to thread being locked by mod lol.

Ok seems like the 660 none Ti will use GK104 with a 192-Bit memory interface and 1.5gb memory whereas the Ti will be 256-Bit with 2gb memory and be ~8% worse than a GTX 670 in terms of performance.

Source: http://videocardz.com/33976/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-non-ti-specification-confirmed

Edit: Apparently the specs shown in the screenshots on the above website are fake and are just edited GTX 560 images of GPU-Z.

EVGA GTX660 Ti Signature Edition:

http://www.techpowerup.com/169684/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-660-Ti-Cooler-Pictured.html

renz496 said:

EVGA GTX660 Ti Signature Edition:

http://www.techpowerup.com/169684/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-660-Ti-Cooler-Pictured.html

It says "EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti Cooler Pictured" so that's just EVGA'S take on the cooler.

Just waitin' for somethin' like "ASUS ENGTX660 Ti DCII TOP/2DI/2GD5" to come by.

Are the custom cards going to be released along with the reference cards? Seems that was the case for the 670.

jtsyo said:

Are the custom cards going to be released along with the reference cards? Seems that was the case for the 670.

I don't see why not, unless there are Nvidia release restrictions in effect. But any custom cooler on the 670's would work on the 660's, if the information above remains correct.

It is a back-to-school, ready-to-flunk-all-grades, fall special!

Maybe we will see a GTX 660 Ti 256-bit version that scores on par with a 7970 in 3D Mark 11?
http://www.guru3d.com/news/geforce-gtx-660-ti-256bit-version-planned/

Hopefully, VideoCardz.com indicates that there is only one version of the 660Ti however and that is the 256-Bit one.

Maxx_Power said:

It is a back-to-school, ready-to-flunk-all-grades, fall special!

Right after the Steam Summer Sales too! They're sneaky like that.

Sakkura said:

Right after the Steam Summer Sales too! They're sneaky like that.

Haven't thought of that, good call.

Sakkura said:

Right after the Steam Summer Sales too! They're sneaky like that.

And then they sell these games with names like "half-life" and "oblivion" that ironically also describe your social life after you make the purchase.

17seconds said:

And then they sell these games with names like "half-life" and "oblivion" that ironically also describe your social life after you make the purchase.

And all those energy drinks and snacks - when you go to the bathroom it's Blood Bowl: Legendary Edition.

17seconds said:

Maybe we will see a GTX 660 Ti 256-bit version that scores on par with a 7970 in 3D Mark 11?
http://www.guru3d.com/news/geforce-gtx-660-ti-256bit-version-planned/

so more rumors comes out eh? i think we should get the definite answer in two or three weeks

660Ti performance leak, 6.4% slower than a 670

http://videocardz.com/34035/geforce-gtx-660-ti-performance-leaked

Here is the review, apparently the site is known for breaking NDA's and leaking info. The review includes benchmarks on numerous games.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index.html

cypherx said:

Here is the review, apparently the site is known for breaking NDA's and leaking info. The review includes benchmarks on numerous games.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index.html

Beats the 7950 hands down and seems to trade blows with the 7970? Not bad for a mid-$200 card.

17seconds said:

Beats the 7950 hands down and seems to trade blows with the 7970? Not bad for a mid-$200 card.

Here is to hoping for further massive price cuts from AMD (on the 7870 and below).

Tweaktown's data will prove to be good. They did the same thing with the GTX 670 and their info was good.

This is amazing news for consumers and absolutely crushing news for AMD. I think this may possibly remove all AMD cards over $200 from a recommendable spot for 1080p gaming (though I think the 7970 still has a good value spot there for overclockers).

Also makes the GTX 670 difficult to recommend at all, since it's a bad 1080p value over this 660ti data, and for anything above 1080p you'll want a 7970.

Maxx_Power said:

Here is to hoping for further massive price cuts from AMD (on the 7870 and below).

Here's what TweakTown has to say on the subject:
"The problem for AMD, though, is that while this card is priced at levels around the HD 7850 and HD 7870, its performance is around that of the HD 7950 and HD 7970. You combine this with the fact that AMD really don't have any more room to move on price due to recent price drops. We really do wonder what AMD can do. NVIDIA do this excellent job of taking on multiple AMD models with just one video card and in this case, we see that happening again."
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index14.html

17seconds said:

Here's what TweakTown has to say on the subject:
"The problem for AMD, though, is that while this card is priced at levels around the HD 7850 and HD 7870, its performance is around that of the HD 7950 and HD 7970. You combine this with the fact that AMD really don't have any more room to move on price due to recent price drops. We really do wonder what AMD can do. NVIDIA do this excellent job of taking on multiple AMD models with just one video card and in this case, we see that happening again."
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index14.html

I read that entire review and am hoping this doesn't come true. I know the 7800 series silicon is much cheaper to make than the GK104 Nvidia is re-harvesting, so maybe AMD can cut MSRP again...

Maxx_Power said:

I know the 7800 series silicon is much cheaper to make than the GK104 Nvidia is re-harvesting

How do you know this?

Anyways, TT did this for the GTX 670 and their info proved good, so I have no doubt it will do the same this time as well.

Maxx_Power said:

I read that entire review and am hoping this doesn't come true. I know the 7800 series silicon is much cheaper to make than the GK104 Nvidia is re-harvesting, so maybe AMD can cut MSRP again...

And reinforce any rumours that they've been price gouging? I'm sure that would go down like a fart in a lift with the company faithful.

You know what sounds like price gouging to me? Releasing your midrange GPU for a whopping $500 because your competition didn't force you to do better and because you can't get your manufacturing act together.

BigMack70 said:

You know what sounds like price gouging to me? Releasing your midrange GPU for a whopping $500 because your competition didn't force you to do better and because you can't get your manufacturing act together.

I recall an article from way back that postulated the reaction of the AMD faithful if leaks proved true and Nvidia's mid range Kepler GPU was more than a match for AMD's finest, your post makes me think of that time. Why is that?

Point here is, it was nVidia that complained about the costs of 28nm, no one else.
They no longer enjoy only good di per wafer, and have to absorb the higher costs of an expensive node.
Using a larger die will cost more

Don't really consider myself an AMD or Nvidia faithful... just someone who has been critical since the end of last year of Nvidia's GK110 total no-show.

Fact is, you can't accuse one company of price gouging without being ready to accuse the other... there's been a lot of it this time around. The 7970 launching at $550 was a bit crazy, and that was followed by the much more egregious (in my view) move by Nvidia to move their midrange $300 chip to ultimately a high end $500 launch. All the while, AMD kept overcharging for the 7850 and 7870 due to Nvidia's delay of their sub-$300 lineup while they invented a new midrange chip.

JAYDEEJOHN said:

Point here is, it was nVidia that complained about the costs of 28nm, no one else.
They no longer enjoy only good di per wafer, and have to absorb the higher costs of an expensive node.
Using a larger die will cost more

The point I was trying to make was about the negative feedback they may receive if they were to make any price cuts but feel free to read what you want.

BigMack70 said:

How do you know this?

GPU Die sizes from published reviews and so on...

GK104 -> 294 mm^2
Pitcairn -> 212 mm^2

Smaller die size, more per silicon wafer. More per silicon wafer, the cheaper per die. Since both Nvidia and AMD are paying per wafer now (AMD has always been paying per wafer, I think), last I read.

Also, I won't be surprised if the yields are better on the AMD Pitcairn. They came to market way earlier and initial yields of the GK104 were supposedly not satisfactory.

Mousemonkey said:

And reinforce any rumours that they've been price gouging? I'm sure that would go down like a fart in a lift with the company faithful.

Price gouging are the words. The graphics market shrunk so much over the years, and now it is essentially a two party system at mid to higher level performances and a different two party system at low, integrated performance levels...

I remember the old days when S3, Matrox, 3dfx (3DFX), PowerVR, Trident, Rendition were still competitive in consumer graphics.