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September 10, 2012 11:39:27 PM

Hi guys, i've been researching everything there is to research about this build (except for anything i already know), and I would appreciate it if you all would please take a look at this build and tell me if this build:

1. Uses too much voltage
2. Uses more than 20 Amps (Anything over 20 amps will flip the breaker in my house)(This includes any spikes that might go over 20 amps, so please include your thoughts about that)

also, can you answer these questions please? thanks!

1. How do i know what AC Suppression Joule Rating I will need for this PSU:
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified 120-PG-1500-XR 1500W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply?

2. Also, can you recommend a high quality surge suppressor that will provide an Output Watt Capacity of at least 1600 Watts and a high enough AC Suppression Joule Rating for the above mentioned PSU? (again, im not worried about cost. i want quality, not cheap).

3. Any other thoughts/concerns i should be aware of? Any improvements?

Here's The Build:

1. Computer Case: $399.99
LIAN LI PC-P80NB Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

2. Motherboard: $469.98
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

3. Processor: $599.98
Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K

4. RAM: $489.98
(2 Sets) CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4A2400C9R

5. Graphics Card: $1357.84
DUAL  EVGA 04G-P4-3688-KR GeForce GTX 680 Classified 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

6. Audio Card: $201.98
Creative Sound Blaster Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion (70SB135400000) 5.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card with Sound Blaster I/O

7. Network Card: $80.99
Intel EXPI9400PTBLK Gigabit Copper Connection for Servers 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express 1 x RJ45 – OEM

8. CPU Cooling Device: $139.99
CORSAIR H100 (CWCH100) Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

9. SSD: $226.99
SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256B/WW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

10. HDD: $289.99
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB 10000 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

11. Blu-Ray Drive: $99.99
LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-Ray Burner with SW, 3D Play Back - BH14NS40

12. DVD Drive: $43.98
PLEXTOR Internal DVD Super Multi 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model PX-L890SA LightScribe Support

13. Power Protection: $68.78
TRIPP LITE ISOBAR6DBS 6 ft. 6 Outlets 2850 joules Home/Business Theater Surge Suppressor (may need higher joule rating, definitely need a higher wattage rating)

14. PSU: $464.08
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified 120-PG-1500-XR 1500W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply

15. Other Basic Accessories: Mouse, Keyboard, Etc. (if it matters)
September 11, 2012 12:05:37 AM

For $6K you can get a way better cooling system than an H100. Go with a Swiftech Edge or something like a custom loop, but an H100 is a plastic toy compared to the real thing. And there's absolutely no reason to purchase a WD Velociraptor, the extra NIC, or the sound card - those things are unnecessary.

But everything on that build is major overkill for a gaming system. No combination of GPUs - especially Keppler and Radeon 79XX will come close to using 1500W of power. You could pay $1500 and still get a rig that does everything you need:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($203.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Plextor M3 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($274.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($527.55 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Switch 810 (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($179.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 950W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($133.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHBS212-08 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full (32/64-bit) ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2086.93
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-10 20:04 EDT-0400)

If you're going to pay that much for a PSU though I'd go with the Corsair AX1200i instead of the EVGA one and get full digital control of the whole PSU and the ways it uses power. But if gaming is the primary focus of this build - everything on it is massive overkill and X79 isn't worth the price difference.
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September 11, 2012 12:07:28 AM

wowowow.... wait a second, you have 6K to burn and you wanted to get that crap???

give me a second.
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September 11, 2012 12:17:01 AM

With $6,000, you could hire a professional to pick all the parts and build it for you and still have enough to do it all again.
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September 11, 2012 12:21:25 AM

let me point out a few things:

*Most PSUs work @110v/10amps... you're ok.

*an X79 platform is NOT going to give you any performance gain in games.

*8GB of RAM are hardly needed and 16GB is way more than enough... no need for 32GB

*Those cards are good but the 7970Ghz edition outperforms it, and with the watercooling mod included you can overclock the hell out of them.

*The on-board sound of the Gigabyte Assassin 3 is superior to any other motherboard's on-board sound and so is the NIC (internet card)

*No need for velociraptor when you have an SSD.


Get this:

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($280.01 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($183.04 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Diamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Diamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Diamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Azza Fusion 4000 ATX Full Tower Case ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 1250W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($212.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $2682.45



Watercooling MOD :

Raditaor 1: XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Radiator Rev 2 ($94.99 @ FrozenCPU )
Radiator 2: EK CoolStream 480 XT Series Liquid Cooling Radiator ($97.95 @ FrozenCPU )
Fittings: 10x Alphacool Compression Fitting - G 1/4 Thread 3/8" ID x 1/2" OD ($6.99 each @ FrozenCPU )
GPU Blocks: 3x Heatkiller GPU-X³ 7970 Reference Design Full Coverage Water Block ($119.99 each @ FrozenCPU)
SLI/CF fitting: Heatkiller GPU-X² / GPU-X³ X Triple Link Bridge Block ($24.95 @ FrozenCPU )
CPU Block: XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block ($76.99 @ FrozenCPU )
Fans: 7x Cooler Master Excalibur 120mm x 25mm High Performance Fan ($23.99 each @ FrozenCPU)
Tubing 10ft of PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 3/8"ID 1/2" OD ($2.25 @ FrozenCPU )
Pump&Reservoir: EK DDC X-Top Pump Top Rev. 2 - Acrylic w/ Swiftech MCP355 Series Pump ($109.99 @ FrozenCPU)
Total: $1022.63


*How to build and take care of a full watercooling loop:

Water Cooling Guide Part 1
Water Cooling Guide Part 2
Water Cooling Guide Part 3
Water Cooling Guide Part 4
Cool watercooling loop assembly animation
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September 11, 2012 12:22:28 AM

Okay okay, like both other posts have said, you really need to work on this build. First of all, in the modern sense, a "hardcore" gaming build is NOT the most expensive one, but the best performing one that isn't overkill.

Second, there is no reason you should spend $400 on a case.

Third, there is no reason to spend $450 on a motherboard for gaming.

Fourth, there is no reason to spend $600 on a 6/12 core processor for gaming.

Fifth, there is no reason to spend $500 on RAM (lol).

Sixth, there is no reason to spend $1400 on two graphics cards when you could get a 690 for cheaper, or a 670 for $400 that is overkill by itself anyways.

Seventh, there is no reason to spend $200 on a sound card unless you produce high-quality music for a living. For a living.

Eighth, DON'T buy a network card for a gaming computer. It would be a shame to bottleneck a nice rig with slow wireless internet wouldn't it? Just get a 50mps or faster CAT6.

Ninth, there is no reason to spend $140 on an H100, I got mine for $99.

Tenth, there is no reason to buy a veliciraptor HDD, no matter what your purposes are.

Eleventh, there is no reason to spend $450 on a PSU unless you are making a nuclear energy plant.


I agree with g-unit1111's build that he posted. I would even go as far as saying save the $100 and get a GTX 670 instead of a 680 since the performance difference is marginal at best (my overclocked 670 is faster than a 680).

If you must waste $6000 on a "gaming" build (you should really call it a "will be outdated in 3 years money sink build") just get what g-unit1111 said, but with a GTX 690 and a bunch of huge screens and peripherals.

If you know who Sigmund Freud is and don't feel like blowing money away, just get what g-unit1111 said and keep the extra $4000 for yourself.

Good luck!
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September 11, 2012 12:23:31 AM

Nanekud said:
With $6,000, you could hire a professional to pick all the parts and build it for you and still have enough to do it all again.


what the hell are you talking about kiddo?? there isn't such thing as a "professional PC parts picker" this kind of forums are much better for picking parts because of the participation of multiple people.
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September 11, 2012 12:28:00 AM

nsouter853 said:
Okay okay, like both other posts have said, you really need to work on this build. First of all, in the modern sense, a "hardcore" gaming build is NOT the most expensive one, but the best performing one that isn't overkill.

Second, there is no reason you should spend $400 on a case.

Third, there is no reason to spend $450 on a motherboard for gaming.

Fourth, there is no reason to spend $600 on a 6/12 core processor for gaming.

Fifth, there is no reason to spend $500 on RAM (lol).

Sixth, there is no reason to spend $1400 on two graphics cards when you could get a 690 for cheaper, or a 670 for $400 that is overkill by itself anyways.

Seventh, there is no reason to spend $200 on a sound card unless you produce high-quality music for a living. For a living.

Eighth, DON'T buy a network card for a gaming computer. It would be a shame to bottleneck a nice rig with slow wireless internet wouldn't it? Just get a 50mps or faster CAT6.

Ninth, there is no reason to spend $140 on an H100, I got mine for $99.

Tenth, there is no reason to buy a veliciraptor HDD, no matter what your purposes are.

Eleventh, there is no reason to spend $450 on a PSU unless you are making a nuclear energy plant.


according to your logic there is no reason to spend 50k on a weekend in Las Vegas, right? you know, some people like luxury, and this is ALL this PC is going to be, an expensive "toy" but that's alright, if you can do it, why not? why the **** should you compare yourself to people with lower standards of life??? if you can do it, DO IT.
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September 11, 2012 12:34:25 AM

Mmm 6K

Cosmos 2
i7 3960x
Asrock Extreme 11
4X sapphire reference 7970's
Corsair AX1200i
32GB Corsair Dominator Platinums 2400
Intel 520 480GB SSD
2 TB WD Black HDD
Corsair H100
Replace stock H100 fans with 4 Cougar Vortex 120mm
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September 11, 2012 12:37:31 AM

redeemer said:
Mmm 6K

Cosmos 2
i7 3960x
Asrock Extreme 11
4X sapphire reference 7970's
Corsair AX1200i
32GB Corsair Dominator Platinums 2400
Intel 520 480GB SSD
2 TB WD Black HDD
Corsair H100
Replace stock H100 fans with 4 Cougar Vortex 120mm


That's just stupid, you're just throwing out the most expensive parts you know from the top of your head.
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September 11, 2012 12:37:41 AM

well I do agree about the i7 3770k build from above but if you really want a x79 lga 2011 gaming rig you can use the same thing as mine and just improve it a bit.

imo you don't really need all those extra power but if you are like me who just like things to be overboard and have the cash to back it out, go ahead. although there are not much gain from getting ivy from sandy e.

except just feeling leet.

but if you do video editing and you also do gaming, you can actually get the i7 3770k and buy your self a 3930k like mine although I use a 3960x for my line of job and a 3930k for gaming, but well as I did notice for some time already no improvement on gameplay compared to the previous i7 2600k and i5 2500k, so more with the new ivy,

well I'm more like doesn't want my ram usage to go above 40% on gaming ^_^

but really the i7 3770k is actually worth more your money and they are quality (the build posted above)
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September 11, 2012 12:37:56 AM

idroid said:
what the hell are you talking about kiddo?? there isn't such thing as a "professional PC parts picker" this kind of forums are much better for picking parts because of the participation of multiple people.


There probably isn't, but there are professionals; which is what I said. And you're right, the information that people get off of this forum is just as good as any. I'm just making the point that spending $6,000 on a gaming rig is straight insane.
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September 11, 2012 12:39:00 AM

idroid said:
according to your logic there is no reason to spend 50k on a weekend in Las Vegas, right? you know, some people like luxury, and this is ALL this PC is going to be, an expensive "toy" but that's alright, if you can do it, why not? why the **** should you compare yourself to people with lower standards of life??? if you can do it, DO IT.


I get your point, and don't want to start a flame war, but a weekend in Vegas isn't the same. A 50k weekend in Vegas will not be out of date in a few years, and spending less than $50k on a weekend in Vegas could affect its enjoyment/performance. Spending less than $6k on a computer will not affect its enjoyment/performance, and will be out of date in a few years.

Let's stop the argument here, though. No need for that. My point is given, yours is, it's his or her choice what to do with his or her money.
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September 11, 2012 12:42:26 AM

Nanekud said:
There probably isn't, but there are professionals; which is what I said. And you're right, the information that people get off of this forum is just as good as any. I'm just making the point that spending $6,000 on a gaming rig is straight insane.


Really? well adding furniture, monitors, peripherals, accessories,chairs, games, wiring, tools, sound system, modding, watercooling system and the build itself i spent close to 25k on my gaming rig so.... i guess you can call me insane based on your point of view :lol: 
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September 11, 2012 12:49:16 AM

nsouter853 said:
Okay okay, like both other posts have said, you really need to work on this build. First of all, in the modern sense, a "hardcore" gaming build is NOT the most expensive one, but the best performing one that isn't overkill.

Second, there is no reason you should spend $400 on a case.

Third, there is no reason to spend $450 on a motherboard for gaming.

Fourth, there is no reason to spend $600 on a 6/12 core processor for gaming.

Fifth, there is no reason to spend $500 on RAM (lol).

Sixth, there is no reason to spend $1400 on two graphics cards when you could get a 690 for cheaper, or a 670 for $400 that is overkill by itself anyways.

Seventh, there is no reason to spend $200 on a sound card unless you produce high-quality music for a living. For a living.

Eighth, DON'T buy a network card for a gaming computer. It would be a shame to bottleneck a nice rig with slow wireless internet wouldn't it? Just get a 50mps or faster CAT6.

Ninth, there is no reason to spend $140 on an H100, I got mine for $99.

Tenth, there is no reason to buy a veliciraptor HDD, no matter what your purposes are.

Eleventh, there is no reason to spend $450 on a PSU unless you are making a nuclear energy plant.


I agree with g-unit1111's build that he posted. I would even go as far as saying save the $100 and get a GTX 670 instead of a 680 since the performance difference is marginal at best (my overclocked 670 is faster than a 680).

If you must waste $6000 on a "gaming" build (you should really call it a "will be outdated in 3 years money sink build") just get what g-unit1111 said, but with a GTX 690 and a bunch of huge screens and peripherals.

If you know who Sigmund Freud is and don't feel like blowing money away, just get what g-unit1111 said and keep the extra $4000 for yourself.

Good luck!


I couldn't agree with you more. Unless the point of the OP's build is to brag that he has the most expensive system this is an absolute waste of $6000. Unless you got an advance copy of Crysis 5 that no one else has keep your money, and follow Toms 2k guide.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-building-overclo...

or

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-building-overclo...

Hope that helps.
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September 11, 2012 12:51:34 AM

yarmock said:
I couldn't agree with you more. Unless the point of the OP's build is to brag that he has the most expensive system this is an absolute waste of $6000. Unless you got an advance copy of Crysis 5 that no one else has keep your money, and follow Toms 2k guide.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-building-overclo...

or

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-building-overclo...

Hope that helps.


Woot! Someone who is level-headed lol.

"Unless the point of the OP's build is to brag that he has the most expensive system" ------- Hence my Freud reference LOL
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September 11, 2012 1:17:55 AM

ok, so idroid seems to know what he is talking about, so ill address his comment and anyone can respond:

let me point out a few things:

*Most PSUs work @110v/10amps... you're ok. - ok, cool

*an X79 platform is NOT going to give you any performance gain in games. - can u suggest something else that will give me just as good as performance and would apply for hardcore gaming?

*8GB of RAM are hardly needed and 16GB is way more than enough... no need for 32GB - i was gonna do 64GB, lol, but i figured that was overkill. i wanted to have 32GB . . . just cause :D 

*Those cards are good but the 7970Ghz edition outperforms it, and with the watercooling mod included you can overclock the hell out of them. - i don't want/need to OC, its pointless for dual 680's in SLI

*The on-board sound of the Gigabyte Assassin 3 is superior to any other motherboard's on-board sound and so is the NIC (internet card) - it can't support my DDR3 2400 RAM

*No need for velociraptor when you have an SSD. - its a backup and my main storage for anything other than games and OS


Get this:

CPU:Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard:Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($280.01 @ Newegg)
Memory:Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage:o CZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($183.04 @ NCIX US)
Video Card:D iamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card:D iamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card:D iamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Case:Azza Fusion 4000 ATX Full Tower Case ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply:SeaSonic 1250W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($212.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive:Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $2682.45

- im building a cheetah on cocaine here. no blu-ray? 7200 rpm HDD, why not 10k rpm or better? motherboard won't support my RAM. the video cards have less VRAM and a slower effective memory clock (no, i don't want to OC). anyways, i've always had problems with radeon cards, nvidia has never once caused me a problem.



Watercooling MOD :

Raditaor 1:XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Radiator Rev 2 ($94.99 @ FrozenCPU )
Radiator 2:EK CoolStream 480 XT Series Liquid Cooling Radiator ($97.95 @ FrozenCPU )
Fittings:10x Alphacool Compression Fitting - G 1/4 Thread 3/8" ID x 1/2" OD ($6.99 each @ FrozenCPU )
GPU Blocks:3x Heatkiller GPU-X³ 7970 Reference Design Full Coverage Water Block ($119.99 each @ FrozenCPU)
SLI/CF fitting:Heatkiller GPU-X² / GPU-X³ X Triple Link Bridge Block ($24.95 @ FrozenCPU )
CPU Block:XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block ($76.99 @ FrozenCPU )
Fans:7x Cooler Master Excalibur 120mm x 25mm High Performance Fan ($23.99 each @ FrozenCPU)
Tubing10ft of PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 3/8"ID 1/2" OD ($2.25 @ FrozenCPU )
Pump&Reservoir:EK DDC X-Top Pump Top Rev. 2 - Acrylic w/ Swiftech MCP355 Series Pump ($109.99 @ FrozenCPU)
Total: $1022.63

- 1000 bucks for a liquid cooling system? a closed loop system will cool it nearly as well (you can't cool it below room temperature anyway, so why try?). i am willing to take suggestions for better closed loop systems. so, what would be the BEST closed loop cooling system?


*How to build and take care of a full watercooling loop:

Water Cooling Guide Part 1
Water Cooling Guide Part 2
Water Cooling Guide Part 3
Water Cooling Guide Part 4
Cool watercooling loop assembly animation


- good to know, if i were gonna use open/custom loop
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September 11, 2012 1:30:30 AM

can we answer my original questions please about my rig? thanks

1. Does it use too much voltage for a regular U.S. outlet of, i think it's 110V?

2. Does it use more than 20 Amps (Anything over 20 amps will flip the breaker in my house)(This includes any spikes that might go over 20 amps, so please include your thoughts about that)

3. How do i know what AC Suppression Joule Rating I will need for this PSU:
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified 120-PG-1500-XR 1500W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply?
(if you want me to change this, then someone needs to calculate the wattage for the rig i have given you, and give me the breakdown of how many watts each component uses and the total wattage).

4. Also, can you recommend a high quality surge suppressor that will provide an Output Watt Capacity of at least 1600 Watts and a high enough AC Suppression Joule Rating for the above mentioned PSU? (again, im not worried about cost (as long as its within the budget ofc. i want quality, not cheap).

5. Should I run this PSU on single rail or 8-rail mode. ( i was told to run it on single-rail or else i would overload the 2 vid cards, however i think there is less safety if i do this. but as long as i have an appropriate surge suppressor would that matter?
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September 11, 2012 1:58:38 AM

L1ghtF00t said:
can we answer my original questions please about my rig? thanks

1. Does it use too much voltage for a regular U.S. outlet of, i think it's 110V?

2. Does it use more than 20 Amps (Anything over 20 amps will flip the breaker in my house)(This includes any spikes that might go over 20 amps, so please include your thoughts about that)

3. How do i know what AC Suppression Joule Rating I will need for this PSU:
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified 120-PG-1500-XR 1500W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply?
(if you want me to change this, then someone needs to calculate the wattage for the rig i have given you, and give me the breakdown of how many watts each component uses and the total wattage).

4. Also, can you recommend a high quality surge suppressor that will provide an Output Watt Capacity of at least 1600 Watts and a high enough AC Suppression Joule Rating for the above mentioned PSU? (again, im not worried about cost (as long as its within the budget ofc. i want quality, not cheap).

5. Should I run this PSU on single rail or 8-rail mode. ( i was told to run it on single-rail or else i would overload the 2 vid cards, however i think there is less safety if i do this. but as long as i have an appropriate surge suppressor would that matter?



*no it doesn't use too much power, the PSU i linked is FINE, do not worry about that. it uses 100-240v @6.5-13amps

*i am not an electrician but i know a bit about electric circuits, a joule is a really high unit of electricity, you should be more than ok with any voltage regulator/protector from home depot. and btw... the PSU has NOTHING to do with the "joule rating" you need, all you should care about is what comes out of your wall plug.

*Get the PSU i linked (the seasonic one)
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September 11, 2012 2:13:08 AM

L1ghtF00t said:
ok, so idroid seems to know what he is talking about, so ill address his comment and anyone can respond:

let me point out a few things:

*Most PSUs work @110v/10amps... you're ok. - ok, cool

*an X79 platform is NOT going to give you any performance gain in games. - can u suggest something else that will give me just as good as performance and would apply for hardcore gaming?

*8GB of RAM are hardly needed and 16GB is way more than enough... no need for 32GB - i was gonna do 64GB, lol, but i figured that was overkill. i wanted to have 32GB . . . just cause :D 

*Those cards are good but the 7970Ghz edition outperforms it, and with the watercooling mod included you can overclock the hell out of them. - i don't want/need to OC, its pointless for dual 680's in SLI

*The on-board sound of the Gigabyte Assassin 3 is superior to any other motherboard's on-board sound and so is the NIC (internet card) - it can't support my DDR3 2400 RAM

*No need for velociraptor when you have an SSD. - its a backup and my main storage for anything other than games and OS


Get this:

CPU:Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard:Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($280.01 @ Newegg)
Memory:Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage:o CZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($183.04 @ NCIX US)
Video Card:D iamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card:D iamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card:D iamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Case:Azza Fusion 4000 ATX Full Tower Case ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply:SeaSonic 1250W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($212.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive:Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $2682.45

- im building a cheetah on cocaine here. no blu-ray? 7200 rpm HDD, why not 10k rpm or better? motherboard won't support my RAM. the video cards have less VRAM and a slower effective memory clock (no, i don't want to OC). anyways, i've always had problems with radeon cards, nvidia has never once caused me a problem.

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Watercooling MOD :

Raditaor 1:XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Radiator Rev 2 ($94.99 @ FrozenCPU )
Radiator 2:EK CoolStream 480 XT Series Liquid Cooling Radiator ($97.95 @ FrozenCPU )
Fittings:10x Alphacool Compression Fitting - G 1/4 Thread 3/8" ID x 1/2" OD ($6.99 each @ FrozenCPU )
GPU Blocks:3x Heatkiller GPU-X³ 7970 Reference Design Full Coverage Water Block ($119.99 each @ FrozenCPU)
SLI/CF fitting:Heatkiller GPU-X² / GPU-X³ X Triple Link Bridge Block ($24.95 @ FrozenCPU )
CPU Block:XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block ($76.99 @ FrozenCPU )
Fans:7x Cooler Master Excalibur 120mm x 25mm High Performance Fan ($23.99 each @ FrozenCPU)
Tubing10ft of PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 3/8"ID 1/2" OD ($2.25 @ FrozenCPU )
Pump&Reservoir:EK DDC X-Top Pump Top Rev. 2 - Acrylic w/ Swiftech MCP355 Series Pump ($109.99 @ FrozenCPU)
Total: $1022.63

- 1000 bucks for a liquid cooling system? a closed loop system will cool it nearly as well (you can't cool it below room temperature anyway, so why try?). i am willing to take suggestions for better closed loop systems. so, what would be the BEST closed loop cooling system?


*How to build and take care of a full watercooling loop:

Water Cooling Guide Part 1
Water Cooling Guide Part 2
Water Cooling Guide Part 3
Water Cooling Guide Part 4
Cool watercooling loop assembly animation


- good to know, if i were gonna use open/custom loop



*The gigabyte sniper 3 DOES support your memory, it even supports 2666MHz RAM (anyways....anything beyond 1600+ will void your CPU warranty and WILL NOT give you any performance advantage)

*Z77 gives you more performance than X79 CPUs in games

*i have 64GB too :lol:  and i have never seen my PC use more than 9GB

*what do you mean by pointless??????? at this price range you MUST overclock even if you don't want too (if not.... why do you need cooling :lol: ) overclocking your CPU might not give you much of a performance gain but overclocking your GPU does, Triple 7970s have enough VRAM to run 3 monitors with ease and even faster than a GTX680 (because of the faster architecture) and Crossfire scales better than SLI with more than 3 cards (even in BF3)

*a velociraptor drive is POINTLESS, its freaking noisy and there isn't a big difference between 7200 and 10000rpm drives...specially for backup purposes.

*you can include the BD player if you want.

*you're not getting any watercooling loop, you're getting THE BEST watercooling loop for that price range, it will make your PC extremely quiet and it will make it run at almost ambient temperatures and.... are you sure you can't run your stuff below ambient temperature??????



you would need a car radiator, a small fridge, a 1/2HP water pump and some other stuff :lol: 

*TBH watercooling is more of a luxury than anything :kaola: 

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September 11, 2012 2:24:40 AM

Buy me a Lambo.
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September 11, 2012 2:34:46 AM

Nanekud said:
Buy me a Lambo.


hahahaha you gotta love Lamborghinis!! my father has an old school 1992 Diablo SV and a Spyder Performante... i wish i had as much money as he does but i am currently working on it... if everything goes as i planned i will beat him in no time :D 
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September 11, 2012 5:43:19 AM

idroid said:
what the hell are you talking about kiddo?? there isn't such thing as a "professional PC parts picker" this kind of forums are much better for picking parts because of the participation of multiple people.


Kind of makes me wish I could get paid for doing this. :lol: 

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If you know who Sigmund Freud is and don't feel like blowing money away, just get what g-unit1111 said and keep the extra $4000 for yourself.


Yeah you could take a nice vacation and buy a 55" LED monitor and still have money left over. :lol: 
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September 11, 2012 12:40:24 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Kind of makes me wish I could get paid for doing this. :lol: 


lol, i'd build and pick parts for free! i love doing that, its the only time where i can let my "geek" side shine....
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September 11, 2012 2:28:51 PM

*The gigabyte sniper 3 DOES support your memory, it even supports 2666MHz RAM (anyways....anything beyond 1600+ will void your CPU warranty and WILL NOT give you any performance advantage) - ok, i guess i looked at the wrong one last time, but i don't want to void my warranty, it only supports dual channel and only has 4 RAM slots.

*Z77 gives you more performance than X79 CPUs in games - z77 only supports dual channel RAM, only 16 PCI-E lanes for z77 vs. 40 for x79, x79 has more threads.

*i have 64GB too and i have never seen my PC use more than 9GB - lol, im getting 32GB just cause.

*what do you mean by pointless??????? at this price range you MUST overclock even if you don't want too (if not.... why do you need cooling ) overclocking your CPU might not give you much of a performance gain but overclocking your GPU does, Triple 7970s have enough VRAM to run 3 monitors with ease and even faster than a GTX680 (because of the faster architecture) and Crossfire scales better than SLI with more than 3 cards (even in BF3) - I may decide to OC in the future, so i want everything to be there in case i do, and even if i don't OC, the liquid cooling will still bring he temp down, which will allow the CPU to perform better and more eficiently. ill take the vid cards into consideration.

*a velociraptor drive is POINTLESS, its freaking noisy and there isn't a big difference between 7200 and 10000rpm drives...specially for backup purposes. -ok

*you can include the BD player if you want. - cool

*you're not getting any watercooling loop, you're getting THE BEST watercooling loop for that price range, it will make your PC extremely quiet and it will make it run at almost ambient temperatures and.... are you sure you can't run your stuff below ambient temperature??????
you would need a car radiator, a small fridge, a 1/2HP water pump and some other stuff

- guess i could just put the whole pc into my refrigerator (or better yet, my freezer), but it may become too cold then.

*TBH watercooling is more of a luxury than anything - idk what this is. can u clarify?
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September 11, 2012 2:46:10 PM

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z77 only supports dual channel RAM, only 16 PCI-E lanes for z77 vs. 40 for x79, x79 has more threads.


*there is ZERO difference between dual/triple and quad channel memory, this is because the memory controller is now integrated to the CPU and has been extremely improved, that's why there is isn't any difference between 1600 and 3000Mhz RAM.

*The X79 Plataform was made for its computing capabilities, it will NOT offer you ANY performance gain over Z77 on games simply because games do not use more than four cores. and FYI, the PCI-e 3.0 support on the X79 doesn't run at full speed and it doesn't matter if LGA2011 CPUs have more threads games are not optimized to use more than four cores, and god forbids you enable HT on an i7 CPU for gaming.... your performance will be affected negatively unless you record your gameplay.





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lol, im getting 32GB just cause.


*I'd look like a hypocrite if i advise not to get 32GB when i have 64GB but well... your choice ;) 

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I may decide to OC in the future, so i want everything to be there in case i do, and even if i don't OC, the liquid cooling will still bring he temp down, which will allow the CPU to perform better and more eficiently. ill take the vid cards into consideration.


*wowowhoa.... wait a minute, temperature has NOTHING to do with performance, temperature only affects stability but only when it passes 75°C

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guess i could just put the whole pc into my refrigerator (or better yet, my freezer), but it may become too cold then.


no you can't.... you would fry it if its not isolated properly.

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idk what this is. can u clarify?


*i am not sure you want me to clarify... luxury??

luxury is having this: and not having this:
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September 11, 2012 4:16:05 PM

L1ghtF00t said:
can we answer my original questions please about my rig? thanks

1. Does it use too much voltage for a regular U.S. outlet of, i think it's 110V?

2. Does it use more than 20 Amps (Anything over 20 amps will flip the breaker in my house)(This includes any spikes that might go over 20 amps, so please include your thoughts about that)

3. How do i know what AC Suppression Joule Rating I will need for this PSU:
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified 120-PG-1500-XR 1500W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply?
(if you want me to change this, then someone needs to calculate the wattage for the rig i have given you, and give me the breakdown of how many watts each component uses and the total wattage).

4. Also, can you recommend a high quality surge suppressor that will provide an Output Watt Capacity of at least 1600 Watts and a high enough AC Suppression Joule Rating for the above mentioned PSU? (again, im not worried about cost (as long as its within the budget ofc. i want quality, not cheap).

5. Should I run this PSU on single rail or 8-rail mode. ( i was told to run it on single-rail or else i would overload the 2 vid cards, however i think there is less safety if i do this. but as long as i have an appropriate surge suppressor would that matter?


Why are you even considering purchasing a 1500W PSU? Even 4 water cooled 680's won't come remotely close to using all 1500W. If you want to get a strong power supply, like I said - check out the Corsair AX1200i and you get full digital control of your PSU on the brand new DSP platform.
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September 11, 2012 4:17:18 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Why are you even considering purchasing a 1500W PSU? Even 4 water cooled 680's won't come remotely close to using all 1500W. If you want to get a strong power supply, like I said - check out the Corsair AX1200i and you get full digital control of your PSU on the brand new DSP platform.


i disagree... the TDP of 4 GTX680s overclocked is about 220w*4= 880 + 115w from the CPU (when overclocked) =995w + other stuff + WC system = 1145w..... and the digital control of the AX1200i is just a gimmick.
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September 11, 2012 4:22:57 PM

idroid said:
i disagree... the TDP of 4 GTX680s overclocked is about 220w*4= 880 + 115w from the CPU (when overclocked) =995w + other stuff + WC system = 1145w..... and the digital control of the AX1200i is just a gimmick.


Yeah kind of, but the reviews I've been reading about it have all been positive.
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September 11, 2012 7:16:33 PM

ok, good information guys. i've got another quesition: will i need to use single rail or multiple rails? and if i need multiple, how many do i need?

i read an article that said using multiple rails for dual 680s would fry the cards
i also, read this --> "you have to be aware which plug draws from which rail. You could blow out your power supply if you plug too many things onto one rail"

but i don't know much about rails. so, can you guys give me your thoughts on this? thanks
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September 11, 2012 7:57:56 PM

L1ghtF00t said:
ok, good information guys. i've got another quesition: will i need to use single rail or multiple rails? and if i need multiple, how many do i need?

i read an article that said using multiple rails for dual 680s would fry the cards
i also, read this --> "you have to be aware which plug draws from which rail. You could blow out your power supply if you plug too many things onto one rail"

but i don't know much about rails. so, can you guys give me your thoughts on this? thanks


multi-rail PSUs are a gimmick the one included in the build i posted has a single kick-ass 12v with 104amps (enough to fry a dinosaur) that provides 1248W
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September 11, 2012 8:11:13 PM

idroid said:
That's just stupid, you're just throwing out the most expensive parts you know from the top of your head.



"The Best Thing In Life Are Expensive" your sig! Bench whatever build you suggested in this thread against mine!
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September 11, 2012 8:20:06 PM

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That's just stupid, you're just throwing out the most expensive parts you know from the top of your head.


Yeah that's Maximum PC's job. :lol: 

redeemer said:
Isnt that the whole point? I am sorry to have posted your a Genius my mistake. Still my build is the best for the money, 4X 16x PCIe slots!

PS LOL @ your Sig 'best thing in life are expensive'


For some reason PC Part Picker doesn't list some newer EVGA stuff but if the Z77 FTW were on there, I'd include that. 5 x PCI x16 slots! :sol: 
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September 11, 2012 8:29:12 PM

g-unit1111 said:
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That's just stupid, you're just throwing out the most expensive parts you know from the top of your head.


Yeah that's Maximum PC's job. :lol: 



For some reason PC Part Picker doesn't list some newer EVGA stuff but if the Z77 FTW were on there, I'd include that. 5 x PCI x16 slots! :sol: 



Cool anyway you got to admit my rig suggestion is pretty bada$$. Can you imagine 4 7970's running at 16X pcie holy moly.!!
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September 11, 2012 8:30:56 PM

redeemer said:
Cool anyway you got to admit my rig suggestion is pretty bada$$. Can you imagine 4 7970's running at 16X pcie holy moly.!!


Imagine the electric bills though - what kind of power does that thing draw? :lol: 
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September 11, 2012 8:41:36 PM

Not enough to make a big impact on your power bill I'd guess.
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September 11, 2012 8:47:03 PM

idroid said:
multi-rail PSUs are a gimmick the one included in the build i posted has a single kick-ass 12v with 104amps (enough to fry a dinosaur) that provides 1248W



ok, so single-rail is the way to go? can you explain why this is?

why is multi-rail a gimmick?

and how are you drawing 104 amps from a 20 (or maybe 15) amp breaker?!?!
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September 11, 2012 9:10:04 PM

idroid said:
Simple electric conversion....that PSU draws ~13amps under FULL load @100v = ~1300w that electricity is converted using 3 volt rails, 3v. 5v and 12v that PSU outputs 1248w on its 12v rail meaning it has 104amps. simple, isn't it? :lol: 

here: http://www.overclock.net/t/761202/single-rail-vs-multi-...



OP is definitely not a penny pincher...aaah the rich :??: 
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September 11, 2012 9:10:42 PM

L1ghtF00t said:
ok, so single-rail is the way to go? can you explain why this is?

why is multi-rail a gimmick?

and how are you drawing 104 amps from a 20 (or maybe 15) amp breaker?!?!


Simple electric conversion....that PSU draws ~13amps under FULL load @100v = ~1300w that electricity is converted using 3 volt rails, 3v. 5v and 12v that PSU outputs 1248w on its 12v rail meaning it has 104amps. simple, isn't it? :lol: 

here: http://www.overclock.net/t/761202/single-rail-vs-multi-...

i don't renember where (i think it was @OCZ) i read that multi-rail was a gimminck but after doing a bit of research i guess they're both the same, anyways.... i really don't like the conclusion of that article, they're making people believe that 1000w+ PSU without a multi-rail system sucks, Seasonic makes the best PSUs on the market, i assure you will not have any probklem
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September 11, 2012 11:01:29 PM

redeemer said:
OP is definitely not a penny pincher...aaah the rich :??: 


What are you talking about???? listen... i know i am cocky but i know when i have to stop so you guys are gonna have to forgive me for what i am about to say but i have a LOT of money but that doesn't mean i am useless for anything other than business, hell, i don't even have a college degree and i am 100 ******* percent sure that i know more than some engineers in some stuffs because i read a lot and do TONS of home projects, i am saying this because specifically for this

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...aaah the rich :??: 


what are you implying with that?
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September 11, 2012 11:23:25 PM

idroid said:
multi-rail PSUs are a gimmick the one included in the build i posted has a single kick-ass 12v with 104amps (enough to fry a dinosaur) that provides 1248W


and how are you drawing 104 amps from a 20 (or maybe 15) amp breaker?!?!
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September 11, 2012 11:34:26 PM

L1ghtF00t said:
and how are you drawing 104 amps from a 20 (or maybe 15) amp breaker?!?!


wo wo wo.... wait a second, its not the same thing to draw 13amps @100v than 100amps @12v.... the formula to calculate wattage is very easy:

Wattage = Amperage * Voltage.... the PSU draws ~13amps @110v (~1300w) from your wall and transforms it into 104amps @12v (~1300w) if you really THAT afraid that your breaker will drop then simply connect your PSU to a 220v output and it will draw ~6.5amps @220v (~1300w) the result is always going to be the same.
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September 12, 2012 3:50:03 AM

oh, lol. So its like a transformer, lol. I should've known that
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September 12, 2012 3:50:43 AM

oh, lol. So its like a transformer, lol. I should've known that. Thanks
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September 12, 2012 3:51:51 AM

oh, lol. So its like a transformer, lol. I should've known that
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September 12, 2012 5:09:13 AM

idroid said:
What are you talking about???? listen... i know i am cocky but i know when i have to stop so you guys are gonna have to forgive me for what i am about to say but i have a LOT of money but that doesn't mean i am useless for anything other than business, hell, i don't even have a college degree and i am 100 ******* percent sure that i know more than some engineers in some stuffs because i read a lot and do TONS of home projects, i am saying this because specifically for this

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...aaah the rich :??: 


what are you implying with that?


Haha I enjoy reading your posts. And I mean that in a good way.
What, if you don't mind me asking, is it that you do for a living?



Oh and.. :o  to the 400 dolla case :p 
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September 12, 2012 12:29:51 PM

ctomster said:
Haha I enjoy reading your posts. And I mean that in a good way.
What, if you don't mind me asking, is it that you do for a living?



Oh and.. :o  to the 400 dolla case :p 


Well, i really don't do anything specific for a living, i have 15 high profile houses rented, multiple franchises and a few shares of Century 21 and i am still growing :D 
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September 12, 2012 12:34:57 PM

ok, new questions:

would this memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... not need a fan? and if not, why? if so, can you recommend a high quality fan for it? thanks

and can you explain the difference in the switch colors for the keys on keyboards (Cherry MX Brown, Cherry MX Black, etc.) and which would be the very best for hardcore gaming. also, can you suggest a high quality keyboard with the best switch color?

also, if i get the OEM version of Win 7 Pro 64 Bit, does this mean that when i change my mobo out, i will need to purchase a new copy of Win 7 Pro 64 Bit? are there any other downsides to using OEM Win 7 Pro 64 Bit software vs. the full version?

does this PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... have a single-rail or multi-rail?
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September 12, 2012 12:57:41 PM

L1ghtF00t said:
ok, new questions:

would this memory not need a fan? and if not, why? if so, can you recommend a high quality fan for it? thanks

and can you explain the difference in the switch colors for the keys on keyboards (Cherry MX Brown, Cherry MX Black, etc.) and which would be the very best for hardcore gaming. also, can you suggest a high quality keyboard with the best switch color?

also, if i get the OEM version of Win 7 Pro 64 Bit, does this mean that when i change my mobo out, i will need to purchase a new copy of Win 7 Pro 64 Bit? are there any other downsides to using OEM Win 7 Pro 64 Bit software vs. the full version?


*Memories dnot need fan, period.

*Peripherals are pretty much up to you, i have a Cyborg RAT9 with a logitech G19

*No.... that's pretty much the only difference.
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