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Has the Radeon 6900 series been rendered moot?

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July 24, 2012 3:30:13 PM

Has the Radeon 6900 series been effectively put to bed by the 7800 series?

As a 'once proud' owner of two 6970s in crossfire, I see no reason for someone building a rig to opt for anything from the 6900 series.

The 6970 in particular seems to have lost all relevancy (save for maybe crossfire upgrades).

Just wondering what your two cents are on that...
July 24, 2012 6:02:57 PM

Thats the way the cookie crumbles sir, stuff gets replaced by newer more powerful, more expensive stuff
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 6:17:36 PM

I don't think so at all as long as there are people with weaker GPU's that are looking to upgrade any card that performs better is relevant.
Maybe its price point is making it moot at the moment ? Should it fall to a price that is compelling before its pulled from the channels then it would become the go to card for a lot of people who are sitting on cards like the HD 5850.

Mactronix :) 
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a c 91 U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 6:20:24 PM

it's all in the pricing (for which the 6900 is costing a bit too much atm)

generally, it's always worth upgrading to mid-tier from a current generation than top-tier of the last generation. at least in my opinion
July 24, 2012 7:05:42 PM

ballinb0ss said:
Thats the way the cookie crumbles sir, stuff gets replaced by newer more powerful, more expensive stuff


Huh?

If that were the case, the 6900 series wouldn't be moot.

It's because the 6900 series offers similar power at a similar price point, but with steeper power requirements (not to mention being a generation older), that the 6900 series appears to no longer be a factor in today's hardware lineup.

I appreciate you answering, but it's clear you don't understand the question, or rather, why the question is being asked.

Remember, I said 7800 series, not 7900 series.

mactronix said:
I don't think so at all as long as there are people with weaker GPU's that are looking to upgrade any card that performs better is relevant.
Maybe its price point is making it moot at the moment ? Should it fall to a price that is compelling before its pulled from the channels then it would become the go to card for a lot of people who are sitting on cards like the HD 5850.

Mactronix :) 



vmem said:
it's all in the pricing (for which the 6900 is costing a bit too much atm)

generally, it's always worth upgrading to mid-tier from a current generation than top-tier of the last generation. at least in my opinion


Great answers.
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 7:26:17 PM

Occasionally you can get 6950's on sale for <200 bucks here on NCIX. Then it is a great deal, and certainly not moot. The 7800's are still priced a bit too high.
a c 91 U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 1:51:16 AM

just thought about it, and realized that the pricing could be a by-product of classic supply and demand economics. here's the set up:

1. as far as I know, the fully release of the HD7000 series means AMD has discontinued producing the 6000 series chips

2. the HD6000 series, the 6900s chips in particular, offered spectacular price per performance during their time, mainly that it offered similar performance to Nvidia's 580 at a cheaper price.

3. There was the "unlocking a 6950 to 6970" business, which made the 6950 sell like hot-cakes until AMD started laser cutting the extra shaders. afterwards, the pushed hard on 6970 sales (6970 sold slowly initially)

Result: the combination of these factors leads to relatively low inventory for both AMD and it's partners for a relatively "fresh" generation of cards. meanwhile, there'll always been special requests for corssfire (or conservatives who wants a card with "error free drivers").

As you can see, in this case, AMD would be in no hurry to off-load the 6900 series cards. hence the cards' prices holding
July 25, 2012 5:10:37 AM

vmem said:
just thought about it, and realized that the pricing could be a by-product of classic supply and demand economics. here's the set up:

1. as far as I know, the fully release of the HD7000 series means AMD has discontinued producing the 6000 series chips

2. the HD6000 series, the 6900s chips in particular, offered spectacular price per performance during their time, mainly that it offered similar performance to Nvidia's 580 at a cheaper price.

3. There was the "unlocking a 6950 to 6970" business, which made the 6950 sell like hot-cakes until AMD started laser cutting the extra shaders. afterwards, the pushed hard on 6970 sales (6970 sold slowly initially)

Result: the combination of these factors leads to relatively low inventory for both AMD and it's partners for a relatively "fresh" generation of cards. meanwhile, there'll always been special requests for corssfire (or conservatives who wants a card with "error free drivers").

As you can see, in this case, AMD would be in no hurry to off-load the 6900 series cards. hence the cards' prices holding

Very good answer.

It says one thing to me:

The 6900 series is done.

I just hope I can get good driver support for the next couple of years, as I invested in a 6970 crossfire rig last year, and soon may add a third for tri-fire.
a c 191 U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 5:24:40 AM

My 6950 was one of the unlockable ones.

The cards right now are still for sale, but they are just a bit overpriced at the moment. If it was closer to like $220, the 6950 would be a strong seller.

And hell people around here still recommend 480's even though they are super old.
July 25, 2012 5:31:05 AM

Deemo13 said:
My 6950 was one of the unlockable ones.

The cards right now are still for sale, but they are just a bit overpriced at the moment. If it was closer to like $220, the 6950 would be a strong seller.

And hell people around here still recommend 480's even though they are super old.

Yep, the 480s are beasts but they are priced a little more competitively IMO.
a b U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 2:17:21 PM

Deemo13 said:
My 6950 was one of the unlockable ones.

The cards right now are still for sale, but they are just a bit overpriced at the moment. If it was closer to like $220, the 6950 would be a strong seller.

And hell people around here still recommend 480's even though they are super old.


6950's around 220, you mean like this:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

If you shop around, these things were being literally pawned off for 200 bucks between NCIX, local retailers and Newegg.
a c 191 U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 4:51:49 PM

That's a pretty good price for a 6950. But the thing is it needs to be below that price to be justifiable, since most would just spring for the 7850 instead at that price.
July 25, 2012 7:46:58 PM

Okay, I see what you mean :) , well, personally i think they are a good deal if you can get one for under 250 dollars, so all of the cards you guys showed were a good deal to me
July 26, 2012 1:26:02 AM

ballinb0ss said:
Okay, I see what you mean :) , well, personally i think they are a good deal if you can get one for under 250 dollars, so all of the cards you guys showed were a good deal to me

Agreed.

But unfortunately, you can't find a new 6970 for any less than $320 :(  .

The 6950 1GB can be had for a great price if you're lucky and find a deal, however.
a c 191 U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 6:20:44 AM

True and if it were in fact $200, then it would be the best buy there is at that price.
July 26, 2012 10:08:00 AM

Deemo13 said:
True and if it were in fact $200, then it would be the best buy there is at that price.

I'd rather have an unlockable 6950 than a 7850. It's unfortunate that AMD cut the shaders.
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 7:00:09 PM

I'd rather have a 560Ti (not a stock one obviously) than either of those.

Mactronix :) 
July 26, 2012 7:08:12 PM

mactronix said:
I'd rather have a 560Ti (not a stock one obviously) than either of those.

Mactronix :) 

For today's gaming?

The 560Ti is a helluva card, no doubt.

And I may even choose a 560Ti over the 6950 1GB (which on all accounts they are equal).

But I will take the 6950 w/ unlocked shaders anyday with the 2GB framebuffer over a 1GB 5xx series card.
a b U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 7:24:34 PM

PCgamer81 said:
For today's gaming?

The 560Ti is a helluva card, no doubt.

And I may even choose a 560Ti over the 6950 1GB (which on all accounts they are equal).

But I will take the 6950 w/ unlocked shaders anyday with the 2GB framebuffer over a 1GB 5xx series card.


Yep, if you get something with a good shader/render core, and want to game at 1080p for newer games (or higher resolutions), more vram is indispensable.

The 560Ti is great, just the lack of VRAM in comparison.
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 7:43:38 PM

Not at all, if you want to go higher than 1080 then yes I have to agree. However resolution is new to this part of the discussion and I only have a single 1080p monitor.
Also you can quite easily buy a 2GB 560Ti

There are cards I would rather have for sure, just out of those mentioned before I wouldn't have either I would go with a 560 Ti

Mactronix :) 
July 26, 2012 9:44:14 PM

mactronix said:
Not at all, if you want to go higher than 1080 then yes I have to agree. However resolution is new to this part of the discussion and I only have a single 1080p monitor.
Also you can quite easily buy a 2GB 560Ti

There are cards I would rather have for sure, just out of those mentioned before I wouldn't have either I would go with a 560 Ti

Mactronix :) 

If you'd rather have a 1GB or 2GB 560Ti over a 2GB 6950 w/ unlocked shaders, you're crazy!

What you are essentially saying, if that's indeed the case, is that you had rather have a 560Ti than a 6970.

Then you are either a fanboy or someone ill-informed.

And all you have to do is look at VRAM usage in most current demanding games @ 1080p and most with very few exceptions go upwards of 1.6GB. Don't believe me - go check!

Back to the 560Ti vs 6950 2GB unlocked/6970...

http://www.hwcompare.com/8887/geforce-gtx-560-ti-vs-rad...

In fact, the 560Ti 448 doesn't even compare...


http://www.hwcompare.com/11164/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-v...

Again, this is all common knowledge - go search it out yourself.
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 9:59:59 PM

PCgamer81 said:
If you'd rather have a 1GB or 2GB 560Ti over a 2GB 6950 w/ unlocked shaders, you're crazy!

What you are essentially saying, if that's indeed the case, is that you had rather have a 560Ti than a 6970.

Then you are either a fanboy or someone ill-informed.

And all you have to do is look at VRAM usage in most current demanding games @ 1080p and most with very few exceptions go upwards of 1.6GB. Don't believe me - go check!

Back to the 560Ti vs 6950 2GB unlocked/6970...

http://www.hwcompare.com/8887/geforce-gtx-560-ti-vs-rad...

In fact, the 560Ti 448 doesn't even compare...


http://www.hwcompare.com/11164/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-v...

Again, this is all common knowledge - go search it out yourself.


Whoa there easy, easy what's the matter with you ?

There was never any 560Ti Vs 6950 unlocked, your the one coming across like a fanboy.
If I prefer to have a 560Ti over a 6950 unlocked or otherwise that's my business, its personal preference.
This is not a selection thread where someone is asking for views on which card to pick. You should know you started it.
I don't need to go check thank you very much. For every review there is showing high Vram usage there is another showing a 1GB version of the exact same card with less Ram equalling or the 2GB variant up to 1080p. Oh look just like the 6950 and now the 7850
Go to a higher Resolution than 1080p then as I already said you have a point.
My choice My decision My preference Live with it.

Mactronix :) 
July 26, 2012 11:10:54 PM

mactronix said:
Whoa there easy, easy what's the matter with you ?

There was never any 560Ti Vs 6950 unlocked,

I thought you said you'd rather have a 560Ti than a 6950 2GB unlocked.

If I misunderstood, I apologize.

As far everything else you said, that's fine. It doesn't bother me one iota what your personal preference is. I merely offer the advice
that a 6950 2GB w/ unlocked shaders is a far more powerful card, particularly in today's gaming landscape.

Doesn't matter now, especially as it turns out that you didn't say that after all.

I guess I can understand how you would be upset.

After all, if someone misunderstood me and thought I was saying that a 6970 was better than, say a 580, I
would be offended in a, "what do you think, I'm stupid?", kind of way.

Different card comparison, but the vast difference between them is similar.

No harm, no foul. ;) 
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