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July 24, 2012 4:48:32 PM

Hello,
I need help deciding on a graphics card for a new PC I am building. This is my first time building a pc so I don't know much about it.

BUDGET: Under $130, but If a good one for around $110 could be found that might be preferred.

USAGE: Gaming (Battlefield 3, Diablo 3, Arma 2 etc.) decent settings and Watching movies.

The PC I am building will probably have:
Alpine 700W Blue PSU
Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance Memory
Intel Core i7 3770 3.4GHz Socket 1155 8MB Cache Processor
Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3 Z68 Socket 1155 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard

PARTS PREFERENCES: I would prefer AMD cards over Nvidia

OVERCLOCKING: Probably at some point

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1280x1024

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Want at least 2 year warranty

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July 24, 2012 5:33:47 PM

If you can't pick that one up, go for the AMD Radeon hd 6850. It sells for $129 in a bunch of places
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a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 5:48:53 PM

I would not attach anything I own to that garbage PSU. You may want to start there first before purchasing a graphics card.
July 24, 2012 5:51:13 PM

An HD 7770 is more than he'll ever need at 1280x1024
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 5:55:00 PM

iknowhowtofixit said:
I would not attach anything I own to that garbage PSU. You may want to start there first before purchasing a graphics card.

his psu would be fine with an HD 7770
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 5:57:16 PM

gamerkila57 said:
his psu would be fine with an HD 7770


I wouldn't trust that PSU to power an LED, but that's just me. I would recommend getting an HD7750 (since you are playing at a relatively low resolution) and get a new Corsair CX builder series PSU (430w is plenty).

Corsair CX Series, on sale - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

HD7750s - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

It is silly to risk your nice stuff on that trash PSU when you can get a nicer CX430 for just under $30 bucks. That 700w unit will never come close to its "rated" wattage and I guarantee will destroy your components over time. At least the CX430 can do its rated wattage and stay in spec. With an HD7750 you won't break 250W max load on your current setup.
July 24, 2012 6:19:27 PM

You might be able to get a 550 ti for $100-$110.
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 6:26:15 PM

DarkOutlaw said:
You might be able to get a 550 ti for $100-$110.

the 550 TI SUCKS :non:  ?
July 24, 2012 7:54:59 PM

Is the PSU really that bad? If so what do you recommend? And would MSI or Saphire or Asus be better?



July 24, 2012 8:08:00 PM

There's nothing wrong with the PSU. Asus is always good, but Sapphire has good Radeon cards as far as I know
July 24, 2012 8:46:05 PM

Thanks for the replies, two more questions though. Would a hd 7770 still be ok for a 1920x1080 resolution and what would an alternative to a hd 7770 be?
a c 197 U Graphics card
July 24, 2012 9:00:05 PM

A quality modern PSU has full range active PFC (no little voltage switch) and some level of 80+ certification. The Antec VP-450 is a notable exception; efficient and otherwise modern. Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, XFX, and Enermax/LEPA are among the better brands. The problem with cheap PSUs is not just their wasteful inefficiency, or even that they're only good for 50%-75% of their labels, it is also that they tend to omit neat little features like transient filters, or they may provide their own spikes, damaging attached parts over time; or if/when they die (sometimes without obvious cause), they take other parts with them into the fiery abyss.
If this PC is to be used for gaming, drop that i7 for a cheaper but just-as-fast i5 (hyperthreading does not help in games, and may actually hurt), then use the savings on a reasonable PSU and a stronger graphics card. Something like an i5-3450 with a HD6870 would be a lot better for games than an i7 with a HD7770. Get a 500W Antec Earthwatts and you'll be good to go.
July 24, 2012 9:07:16 PM

an hd 7770 would be OK for 1920x1080, not great. Something like a 6850 would give about the same performance. For under $130, a 7770 will probably be your best bet. You can always crossfire it later if you want.
July 24, 2012 11:44:28 PM

Wwho would a good psu be from, would Xentec or CiT be fine?
July 25, 2012 12:02:09 AM

Good PS brands include Seasonic, XFX (Seasonic), some Antec which are Seasonic, most Corsair, PC Power & Cooling (Seasonic),

This link shows a number of different games at different rezs and different cards (low to mid end)...good to compare fps at your particular rez and your favourite games (hardcore enthusiasts like 60+ fps...others may be happy with 40+ fps):

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7750/1.html

Dave
a b U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 12:04:08 AM

Brands to look for XFX, Corsair, Seasonic, Antec, Be Quiet!, newer OCZ, Super Flower, hell anything with a recognizable brand on it would be a step up. What website are you shopping at?
July 25, 2012 12:54:32 AM

I'm shpping at newegg and amazon. I just dont want to shell out too much fr a power supply. But I'd also appreciate if most my power supply is eccicient and lasts
July 25, 2012 2:11:36 AM

+1 to dave
July 25, 2012 8:30:12 AM

What about a HD 6670 or 6770?
a c 197 U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 9:35:45 AM

Without replacing the PSU, a HD6670, HD7750, or perhaps a HD6770 could be run. Since it looks like the machine hasn't been built yet ("The PC I am building will probably have:..."), it looks like balancing it better for gaming makes more sense than finding the strongest card that will run on a dicey PSU.
i5-3450+HD6870 will be a much stronger combination in games than i7-3770+HD6770.
July 25, 2012 10:15:47 AM

Also, my thinking currently is, once I build my i7 with whatever graphics card I get, eventually I'll be able to buy another graphics card and crossfire it. Whereas if I get an i5 with a better graphics card, it wont be as good in the long run.
a c 197 U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 10:24:45 AM

That PSU is decent. You could run a HD7870 on it.
Your resolution right now is fairly low though. You could get something like a HD7850, which would probably remain sufficient for quite some time even after you upgrade your monitor.
If you aren't planning a monitor upgrade, a HD7770 would be sufficient, and you would be unlikely to ever need another one.
July 25, 2012 4:48:46 PM

Jtt, is it fine for 1920x1080?
a c 197 U Graphics card
July 25, 2012 9:57:21 PM

For 1920x1080, if you can afford a HD7870 or HD7850, they'd be much more future-resistant.
July 25, 2012 10:28:59 PM

No way I could afford that, would a HD 6850 be ok?
July 26, 2012 1:40:42 AM

You might to check out the HD 7770...should be a bit cheaper than HD 6850. Here are some comparison of the HD 7770 and HD 6850 for several games at 1920x1080 (excluding Diablo 3):

BF3 @ max settings, 4xAA

6850: 27 fps avg/22 fps min
7770: 28 fps avg/23 fps min

Arma 2 @ very high, high AA

6850: 33/29
7770: 36/31

Dirt 3 @ 4xAA, 16xAF

6850: 57/50
7770: 54/47

Skyrim @ 4xAA, 16xAF

6850: 45/38
7770: 42/36

Diablo 3 @ 1920x1200

6850: 66fps
7770: 53fps

http://www.techspot.com/review/532-diablo-3-performance...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2012/02/15/am...
July 26, 2012 1:23:43 PM

Thanks, I think I'm probably going to use whichever one out of the 6850 and 7770 I find cheaoer with the antec VP-450
July 26, 2012 4:41:34 PM

zain6267 said:
Thanks, I think I'm probably going to use whichever one out of the 6850 and 7770 I find cheaoer with the antec VP-450


If you are overclocking your CPU, you should go with the HD 7770 since it consumes less power vs. HD 6850. VP-450 is a budget PS that is good to 360 watts or so....not a lot of head room on a moderate system. If you are planning to upgrade your PC in the future (eg. better graphics card), get a larger PS....at least 500-550 watts or even bigger.

Dave
July 26, 2012 5:52:21 PM

How about a corsair builder CX500? Looking on the internet, a lot of people recommend the 6850 due to it being 256-bit
a c 197 U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 10:00:32 PM

DavidY said:
...VP-450 is a budget PS that is good to 360 watts or so....not a lot of head room on a moderate system. If you are planning to upgrade your PC in the future (eg. better graphics card), get a larger PS....at least 500-550 watts or even bigger.

Dave

I call B.S. HardwareSecrets tested this PSU and found it to be EXCELLENT, not qualifying for 80+ only because of lack of active PFC; efficiency was good enough. In their overload test, it managed 553W, with all voltages still in spec.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Powe...
This PSU is the exception that proves the rule regarding avoiding PSUs without active PFC.
July 26, 2012 11:37:02 PM

Onus said:
I call B.S. HardwareSecrets tested this PSU and found it to be EXCELLENT, not qualifying for 80+ only because of lack of active PFC; efficiency was good enough. In their overload test, it managed 553W, with all voltages still in spec.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Powe...
This PSU is the exception that proves the rule regarding avoiding PSUs without active PFC.


Max load rating is 360 watts as reported here: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page673.htm

It would be kinda rare that a PS manufacturer under rate their units....with so many no name brands over rating their wattages.

Dave
a c 197 U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 1:21:28 AM

^Wrong again; that's the +12V wattage only, and is the label, not how it tested. And, ALL of the better manufacturers and/or OEMs underrate their units. Sometimes it's only 5%-10%, but often it is 20% or more.
BTW the VP-450 is made by FSP, one of the better OEM's.
July 27, 2012 1:45:37 PM

I'm quite confused now as I don't know which one to get?
July 27, 2012 6:59:40 PM

Onus said:
^Wrong again; that's the +12V wattage only, and is the label, not how it tested. And, ALL of the better manufacturers and/or OEMs underrate their units. Sometimes it's only 5%-10%, but often it is 20% or more.
BTW the VP-450 is made by FSP, one of the better OEM's.


I'm not a risk taker. If you want to run a 500-600 watt system off a 450 watt power supply....go ahead. Personally, I wouldn't do it. Sorry, but I don't have the time to fully test out every PS before I use it...or read every review that says the PS is under rated and therefore I should be able to ignore the label completely. I'm sure that the insurance broker will be pleased about that when I put in my claim.

dave
July 27, 2012 7:03:04 PM

El Tigre said:
You can get this if you want Nvidia, it will run circles around the HD 7770. It's $120 after rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Is that a GTX 460 SE you're recommending him? It has a 192bit memory BUS which only 460 SE have. The normal 460 has a 256bit memory BUS
July 27, 2012 7:11:48 PM

zain6267 said:
If I were to replace the PSU with this http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-500-Watt-Certified-Compat.... Then what would you recommend, I just don't want to spend too much.


Well let me put it like this. The PSU is the most important part of the PC. You can't just buy a cheap PSU because it will probably be too weak to supply good current to your PC and puts your whole PC at risk. If that PSU blows up it can take everything with it and you will need to build a new PC. So now i'm asking you would you rather put your entire PC at risk and use a cheap PSU or you could buy a great quality one and have your PC components live a good and healthy life :D 
July 27, 2012 7:52:57 PM

xa376 said:
I would highly recommend the 560 se. Runs better than the 550 ti and is cheaper while still being within your price range.
Running $120 right now and its $110 after rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Best card for your price range imo


Is a 560 SE better than a radeon 6850 and GTX 460?
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 8:19:30 PM

DavidY said:
I'm not a risk taker. If you want to run a 500-600 watt system off a 450 watt power supply....go ahead. Personally, I wouldn't do it. Sorry, but I don't have the time to fully test out every PS before I use it...or read every review that says the PS is under rated and therefore I should be able to ignore the label completely. I'm sure that the insurance broker will be pleased about that when I put in my claim.

dave


I'm confused as to why you feel the OPs setup has a 500-600 watt power draw. Even with a GTX460 or HD6850 he wouldn't pull more than about 300 watts at full CPU+GPU load.
July 27, 2012 8:59:02 PM

iknowhowtofixit said:
I'm confused as to why you feel the OPs setup has a 500-600 watt power draw. Even with a GTX460 or HD6850 he wouldn't pull more than about 300 watts at full CPU+GPU load.


My post has nothing to do with OP's system....I was just throwing a number that was higher than 450 watts...in response to JTT's reply regarding the Antec VP-450's load testing that was apparently well over it's rated wattage.

Sorry for the confusion.

Dave
July 27, 2012 9:34:13 PM

Lazar_99 said:
Is a 560 SE better than a radeon 6850 and GTX 460?

No most definitely not. However it is within his price range and it is what I feel is the best card for his price range.
a c 197 U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 10:05:52 PM

I am the last person who would recommend a marginal PSU. The VP-450 is probably the only non-80+ certified PSU I could recommend. In the absence of reviews (although this one has an excellent one), I look for 80+ certification; not for efficiency, but because it means the PSU was run at 100% of its label for at least 35 minutes. That's hardly a great test, especially considering it was done at the unrealistically low temperature of 23C, but the PSU would still have heated up internally, and was still running efficiently (meaning it wasn't about to blow). Cheap liar-labeled units will blow electronic chunks even under those conditions.
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