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7870 vs 7950... $10 difference?

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July 25, 2012 12:32:59 AM

I've been looking around, trying to figure out what card is best for me. I've decided to sell some things to get a higher-end card, and I've come up with about 300 bucks, but I can go a bit higher.

I've come up with two cards: the MSI 7870 HAWK: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., or the MSI 7950 Twin Frozr II: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

There is a $10 difference between these cards (!) but I'm not sure if my PSU can handle either of them. It's a ThermalTake 450watt.

My PSU says: +12V = 19A (228W)

Will my power supply handle the 7950? What about the 7870? If no to both of those, what is the highest-end card I can go with?

Specs:
A6-3650 oc to 3GHz
Patriot 2x4GB 1333MHz DDR3
Seagate 1TB

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July 25, 2012 12:36:07 AM

I wouldn't plug either of those cards into that PSU, it's just not enough power. As to which card is better, I will share with you what I share with so many other people, on of my most favorite places to START looking at which of two cards is better.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=550
Remember this doesn't take into account OC ability or better/worse driver support, it's just a good place to start.
July 25, 2012 12:37:54 AM

Aren't both those cards going to be crazy bottlenecked by an AMD A6 CPU?

I'd say get a 7850 and save $100... wouldn't trust a 7870 or 7950 on a 450W PSU anyways.
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July 25, 2012 12:42:11 AM

I never really understood bottlenecks. I mean, if the game is more GPU-reliant, then it won't matter if the CPU isn't up-to-par.

I want to play the best games on the market at 60FPS, High settings, 1080p.

EDIT: Can't afford a new power supply AND a new video card right now...

I also want to get a current-generation video card. No sense getting an old GPU.
July 25, 2012 12:45:51 AM

Well some games (BF3 multiplayer, Skyrim, or any RTS for example) need a very good CPU as well. Other games (Crysis 2 for example) don't care what CPU you have really.

I don't know really how powerful an AMD A6 CPU is, but I can tell you that on a 4 GHz Phenom II x6, I got bottlenecked in some games with my 7970 at 1080p.
July 25, 2012 12:48:01 AM

reboh79 said:
I never really understood bottlenecks. I mean, if the game is more GPU-reliant, then it won't matter if the CPU isn't up-to-par.

I want to play the best games on the market at 60FPS, High settings, 1080p.

EDIT: Can't afford a new power supply AND a new video card right now...

I also want to get a current-generation video card. No sense getting an old GPU.


For around $300, you could get a 7850 and a 650W PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 25, 2012 1:00:32 AM

Unless you run multiple monitors, HD 7850 is far more than enough for you. Save the money for some future upgrades.7950 and 7870 are high end cards. maybe your processor can't handle them. Also the PSU. Please check the compatibility of even hd 7850 before buying them. To tell you the truth, core i3 performs better than A6-3650 in games. :(  So if you are getting a new rig very soon, then buy the 7870. I think it has better price to performance ratio
July 25, 2012 1:08:03 AM

If I were to get a new PSU though... I wouldn't get the 7850. That defeats the purpose of me getting a new GPU. I know the 7850 would work on my PSU, but I'm not sure about the 7870/7950.

I'm probably going to go with the 7850, because it seems that the 7870 would not make do with my PSU.

AyuX, this IS my new rig... I just expected more graphical juice out of it. So now I'm trying to get a new GPU.
July 25, 2012 11:42:22 AM

As long as your PSU can actually put out its rated 450W of power, you should be OK with any 7850.

I'd say (if you want one of the nice custom 7850s) save $20 from that card and pick up the MSI Power Edition 7850... only a few MHz slower at stock and should overclock very well.

From a value perspective, the best deal are the cheaper 7850s sitting around the $200 mark, though. They should all hit an OC of 1000 MHz fairly easily.
July 25, 2012 12:01:50 PM

Don't. Use. This. Power supply.

Throw it away. It'll be highly irresponsible for anyone to recommend a graphics card before you replace this power supply.

As BigMack70 said, get a 7850 and a new power supply. You'll be able to max out most of the games and won't be at risk to burn down precious components in your computer and / or your entire house.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-pow...
July 25, 2012 12:49:25 PM

Something to consider...

The most future-proof components you can put in your system are your case and your power supply.

It never hurts to spend extra money on your power supply. It might seem like a lousy use of your money, but your future self will thank you if you get a better one now. A weak/"just-good-enough" power supply will either limit your upgrade options (as you're seeing now) and/or will die and fry things in your system when it does.

Just my 2 cents.
July 25, 2012 7:58:42 PM

Alright then.

Problem is... I can't afford a nice 7850 AND a nice power supply... so, I've compromised.

I found this video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and this power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Those should work well together and I can SLI in the future if I need to... right?

And what can I expect from that card? I'm hoping to max out games like: Fallout series, Left 4 Dead series, Call of Duty series, NBA 2k series. And I want to play games like Crysis and BF3 on, at least, medium settings. Resolution of 1920x1080.

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July 25, 2012 8:07:16 PM
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Yeah, you should meet that for all of those games, at about 30-60 fps, sometimes more or less, point being you will be able to play games with that card, you will just have to play around with setting until you get the performance you want, but bf3 is really demanding in multiplayer, so you will have to play with settings especially for that game, good luck man, and you may be able to sli with that psu, but you should post info on your motherboard so we can know for sure
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July 25, 2012 9:09:51 PM

That's actually a little bit on the expensive side for a 560, granted it's a higher end company and has two fans in it. But like always $20 would be able to get you a card a step above that, in this case a 560Ti, a very well spent extra $20 or in this case $30 actually.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 26, 2012 1:50:42 AM

+1 to "get a 560ti"... it's a good bit faster than a 560
July 26, 2012 2:13:29 AM

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July 26, 2012 2:14:04 AM

I'm trying to stay within $300, now. I'd rather get the best nVIDIA manufacturer (EVGA) and a slightly-slower card than a no-name nVIDIA manufacturer and a slightly-faster card.
a b U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 5:11:44 AM

I'm pretty sure ZOTAC isn't a no name manufacturer. I've used two (9800GTX+, and GTS 450) and seen them in several high end builds. I've never really heard anything negative, so while it might not quite be an EVGA card, it's still pretty damn good. Feel free to chime in if I'm wrong.
July 26, 2012 7:10:30 AM

I meant ZOTAC is a "no-name" compared to the likes of EVGA.
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July 26, 2012 11:26:04 AM

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