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July 26, 2012 4:21:43 PM

I've been looking at upgrading my graphics card for a while now, and I just can't quite justify the $250 CAD for a 7850 although they seem to be highly heralded as THE best card for that price, due to OC ability, power draw, temps, performance, etc. However, I REALLY don't wanna spend more than $200 although I can justify up to about $220 CAD, but I'm just weary about that extra little budget jump.

SO, I want to know what the best card I can buy for just under $200 or SLIGHTLY over $200 that can run all modern games at 1920x1080, preferably on max settings, however I DON'T CARE ABOUT AA, which has a fairly large hit on performance. The most demanding games I play/want to play will be/are Battlefield 3, GTA IV with iCEnhancer, Max Payne 3, Crysis 1/2/3 (when it comes out), The Witcher 2, and the rest are older/will be able to run no problem if the above can run well. I would really like to hit an average FPS of over 50, as I've tried running games with FRAPS and not looking at the FPS until I see a visible drop in smoothness, or when I see a visible mark in smoothness, and I found above 50 FPS to be that sweet spot, once it drops around 47/48 it begins to look slightly choppier (obviously not nearly as bad as below 30, but it doesn't feel as nice as that 50 sweet spot does).

TLDR: Need new graphics card to run modern, and future DX11 games at 1920x1080 with average FPS of at least 50FPS, and NO ANTI-ALIASING, due to performance hits. Price: less than $220.

Cards I've been seriously considering: 6870, 7850 (just a tad too high of price, that I really don't want to buy unless it's truly worth it), 560, 560 ti.

Also, I don't wanna upgrade for a couple years, so I'm thinking of exclusively buying a 2GB card, which should help narrow the search.

Thanks in advance for any help/advice.
July 26, 2012 4:31:57 PM

The GTX 660(ti?) is coming out in 2-3 weeks and will hit around the $300 price range. I guarantee you that the 7850 and 7870 will drop in price as a result, as the 660ti should be around the 7950's performance.

My guess is that if you are patient for just a couple more weeks, you'll be able to snag a 7850 for $200 or just above.

If you just can't wait, the 560ti is a decent option.
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a b U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 4:36:56 PM

The 660 Ti at $300 is going to have a big impact on prices. The AMD cards will go down in price almost immediately while the 560 Tis will be migrating to the 460s price range... $120 to $160.
a b U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 4:37:40 PM

pacioli said:
The 660 Ti at $300 is going to have a big impact on prices. The AMD cards will go down in price almost immediately while the 560 Tis will be migrating to the 460s price range... $120 to $160.

this possibly....
+1
July 26, 2012 5:11:30 PM

Urban Legend, I can't see American links, idk why, but Newegg.com just redirects me to Newegg.ca.

And Big Mack and Pacioli, thanks! I can certainly wait a couple more weeks, and then the 7850 should be PERFECT, because I really want it, but I just can't justify the extra money right now.

Also, Big Mack, the card on NCIX looks really enticing! Thanks for that, I'll definitely consider that, but if you think the price will drop even more, then I'll hold off for a little while longer. And as for that XFX, I've looked at it, believe me, but it's 1GB and I have a feeling that next-gen (just around the corner, especially with Fortnite, UE4's debut) will probably use the extra memory, so I want to stick with 2GB for now.
July 26, 2012 5:18:17 PM

Oops didn't see that it was a 1GB. Yeah, I agree that 2GB is the way to go.

There's no harm in waiting a couple weeks if you can. I doubt you'll find that 7850 Twin Frozr card cheaper than $220, since the TF cards tend to be more expensive. I imagine that what might happen is that it will be available around the $220 mark without a MIR. If it were me, I'd just buy that one (but I'm not very patient when it comes to tech purchases and I don't mind waiting like 3 months to get my MIR...)

Edit... Probably just best to wait, don't let me convince you to become impatient like me.
a b U Graphics card
July 26, 2012 5:23:33 PM

I can see waiting as well.
July 26, 2012 5:53:26 PM

Alright thanks guys! I'll just hang in there for a little while longer! I guess I'll OC my current 5670 to the max, and see how she goes, if I ruin it in the next couple of weeks, then I guess it's upgrade time! If not, well I can survive a little longer, it's just that testing the clocks in 5/10MHz increments seems so tedious :( 
a c 143 U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 12:27:57 AM

paul7799 said:

TLDR: Need new graphics card to run modern, and future DX11 games at 1920x1080 with average FPS of at least 50FPS, and NO ANTI-ALIASING, due to performance hits. Price: less than $220.

No AA? So where's the gaming experience?

paul7799 said:
Cards I've been seriously considering: 6870, 7850 (just a tad too high of price, that I really don't want to buy unless it's truly worth it), 560, 560 ti.

Best performer of those would be the HD 7850 followed by the Ti, the HD 7850 is a great performer even with a lot of AA enabled, it overclocks great it worth the money.
July 27, 2012 1:57:23 AM

Well I've noticed that few games ever need anti-aliasing at 1920x1080, it's just a very crisp resolution that produces a solid picture and imo, "gaming experience". The only time I ever find I need AA, is when looking at fences, wires, etc. thin linear objects. However, I've noticed that the 7850 seems to handle games quite well with FXAA I'm not EXACTLY sure how that's different from multi-sampling (I'll do a search though) but it seems to get the job done with less of a performance hit. My guess, is that multi-sampling is, as the name implies, a re-rendering of the scene, each time smoothing out the edges.

EDIT: Also, I guess at this point, it's quite unanimous (and I've felt this for a LONG time now), the 7850 is the way to go, hands down. I'll just wait a little longer - hopefully by the time september rolls around - till the 660 releases and then the 7850 will drop in price.
a c 143 U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 11:49:51 AM

I'm not quite sure of what you're referring to, any game without AA doesn't reflect the reality, when you enable AA, AF, shadow,... you get a more clear picture reflects the nature around you.

FXAA is a mode of AA belongs only to nVidia cards, it was better implemented with the rise of Kepler series;
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FXAA acts as a post-processor, filtering the image just once (as opposed to 4xMSAA, which renders 4x the resolution and then downscales). This drastically reduces that amount of memory required, and the end-result is top-rate.

MLAA is similar to FXAA but it crashes with some games, but still MSAA is the best achievement so far for AA till we see what TXAA will bring.
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 11:52:37 AM

when the GTX 660 and GTX 660Ti is released both will pounce the HD 7850.
I say you wait..
July 27, 2012 12:45:53 PM

@ilysaml, well I know for a fact that AMD cards can use FXAA in Battlefield 3, so I guess it's not. Also, yes, I am aware that you need AA if you want the truest-to-life picture. For example I was watching some videos on GTA IV with the latest iCEnhancer 2.1 and it looks like I'm actually watching a movie, and then the odd time you see "jaggies" then you're snapped back into reality that it's a game. So in that respect, yes I understand where you're coming from, but I'm saying, I don't find it necessary because I can deal with some jagged edges as long as I have good framerate. However, I've noticed that I don't care about framerate nearly as much when playing singleplayer games. For multiplayer (as mentioned above) I need an average of at least 50FPS. But for singleplayer I find an average of 50 is really nice for that ultra smoothness, but I really don't mind it as much. So for singleplayer games I sometimes throw on AA and accept the performance hit.

@Urban Legend, ya that's what I've decided upon, although I think I'll just wait for a price drop on the 7850. Cuz I think the 660 will be around 300
July 27, 2012 12:48:24 PM

It's amazing how much money you can save on graphics cards if you don't care about jaggies :lol: 
a c 143 U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 1:01:55 PM

Unfortunately I never got to use FXAA with AMD cards, never seen an article stating usage of FXAA with AMD cards, only MLAA that's similar to FXAA even if it's supported by AMD cards, I never seen a difference while enabling it. Best example for this is Max Payne 3 & Deus Ex.

Personally, I can't play without AA and AF that's why everyone upgrade his GPU in a short time.
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 1:54:24 PM

BUT OUT THE box the gtx 480 shold theoretically beat the gtx 570....
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 1:55:39 PM

panwala95 said:
BUT OUT THE box the gtx 480 shold theoretically beat the gtx 570....

:non: 
you lost points for that...
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 1:58:27 PM

sorry my bad
but cant gtx 480 be oc'ed past gtx 580 ?
ask recon - uk
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 2:23:33 PM

panwala95 said:
sorry my bad
but cant gtx 480 be oc'ed past gtx 580 ?
ask recon - uk

then you clock the GTX 580 and game over..
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 2:24:42 PM

game over ?
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 2:25:35 PM

one you clock the GTX 480 to reference (stock) GTX 580, you simply then clock the GTX 580 and it's game over for the debate..
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 2:27:31 PM

I got min for $275.... :D 
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 3:30:30 PM

5$ or 3.18 pounds more expensive with a better cooler :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2012 3:31:35 PM

who says he has a mail in rebate?

edit - even with rebate gigabyte is just 5 $ more expensive
July 28, 2012 6:13:49 PM

ya, I've pretty much decided upon the 7850, I may check out that deal on NCIX posted by BigMack, or just simply wait. I'm thinking waiting is probably my best bet, although I was waiting for a price drop and TigerDirect.ca ended up putting up the price of all the 7850s by about $50! I was not pleased, so I'm kinda thinking waiting might be a worse idea at this rate. However, I figure the 660s have GOT to come out soon. So maybe I'll give it to the end of August (and they may have some good "back to school" deals then)
July 28, 2012 6:33:55 PM

WOW! It looks like TigerDirect.ca jacked up the price on their 7770s as well! Because I was looking at this HIS 7770 for crossfire, since two 7770s seem to offer insane performance since they scale REALLY well, but I've been told it's best to just stay away from X-fire/SLI unless you already have a card and don't wanna fully upgrade, since there are many games that don't support it very well and you may often run into issues.
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

But, I'm still shocked that TD would do this! Because that card, when I was looking at it before, was $119.99 and now it's $189.99!!!!! WTF!!! I'm guessing they just want people to think that if/when they lower the prices for Back-to-School, they will put the prices back to normal, and advertise it as "on sale"
July 28, 2012 6:36:18 PM

Prices are in a huge state of flux right now on everything below the GTX 670, and the level of flux increases as you drop closer and closer to the $100 mark... there's no absolute guarantee you'll get a better deal than that $220 7850 - it's just likely.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 6:38:07 PM

$25 more for the GTX 570 over the GTX 480....
July 29, 2012 1:58:19 AM

I'm quite adamant about going with the 7850. It just seems perfect for power consumption, cooling, OC ability, and most importantly, the price/performance ratio. So you guys think I should pick up the one @ NCIX? Unless someone can find a price in the low 200s for a 570 at a Canadian e-tailer

EDIT: WOW! The 570 seems to SIGNIFICANTLY beat the 7850 in the benchmarks, HOWEVER, the 7850 seems to take the lead in Crysis 2, dunno why. If it's due to the DX11 rendering, then I may want to go with it, cuz I imagine DX11 will be utilized A LOT in the next-gen games. Do you guys think the less RAM will be worth the performance?
July 29, 2012 2:01:38 AM

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

That seems to be the best 570 I can find, and it's OC'd too, however it only has 1280MB of RAM, and as I mentioned, I want this card to last me quite some time, so I think 2GB is almost a necessity moving forward

EDIT: OK, found this one at NCIX:
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=72480&vpn=N570GTX%20Tw...

It appears to be the same card (just not factory OC'd but I can always bump up the clocks a bit on my own), and it's only $229.99 after MIR!
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 1:15:00 PM

not for me.
good-luck.
July 29, 2012 1:19:16 PM

verbalizer said:
not for me.
good-luck.


you've had issues?
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 1:27:39 PM

paul7799 said:
you've had issues?

I have a problem with the HD 7850 and not with HD Radeon as a whole.
I rather have the HD 7870 or go nVidia option but since the GTX 660 and GTX 660Ti isn't released yet your situation is understandable..
and to be honest, a few dollars more for the GTX 570 1.2 or 2GB version @ 1080p resolution is good enough for me.
besides the GTX 570 being better than the HD 7850 it too can be overclocked to stay ahead..

but that's me and you do you...
July 29, 2012 5:53:55 PM

well I CERTAINLY appreciate your advice, I find it much more respectable when people simple provide (mostly) unbiased feedback and leave it up to the OP to actually make the final decision, rather than forcing their ways upon them lol.

I must admit the 570 does seem enticing and the 660/660 TI are out of the question because even if/when they release, it'll be too high of a price (I'm sure of it, since everything's expensive when it first comes out) and I don't think AMD will be too worried since I believe the performance will be different and hence they will target different price points.

Also, as mentioned, I really would LIKE to go the 570 route, but since the 7850 is newer it should offer more longevity and the 2GB should help in the long run since games like GTA IV and BF3 ALREADY use more than 1GB of VRAM. Also, the single 6-pin PCI-E power connector on the 7850 will be nice for future power bills.

However, I think this is at the best price right now, and I only have till the 31st, so I need your guys' help right now to make the final decision, since I believe the prices won't get cheaper until a while later.

SO:
MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr II for $229.99 after $20 MIR
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=72480&vpn=N570GTX%20Tw...

OR

MSI Twin Frozr III w/ factory OC 7850 for $219.99 after $40 MIR
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69585&vpn=R7850%20Twin%20...
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 5:57:03 PM

paul7799 said:
well I CERTAINLY appreciate your advice, I find it much more respectable when people simple provide (mostly) unbiased feedback and leave it up to the OP to actually make the final decision, rather than forcing their ways upon them lol.

I must admit the 570 does seem enticing and the 660/660 TI are out of the question because even if/when they release, it'll be too high of a price (I'm sure of it, since everything's expensive when it first comes out) and I don't think AMD will be too worried since I believe the performance will be different and hence they will target different price points.

Also, as mentioned, I really would LIKE to go the 570 route, but since the 7850 is newer it should offer more longevity and the 2GB should help in the long run since games like GTA IV and BF3 ALREADY use more than 1GB of VRAM. Also, the single 6-pin PCI-E power connector on the 7850 will be nice for future power bills.

However, I think this is at the best price right now, and I only have till the 31st, so I need your guys' help right now to make the final decision, since I believe the prices won't get cheaper until a while later.

SO:
MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr II for $229.99 after $20 MIR
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=72480&vpn=N570GTX%20Tw...

OR

MSI Twin Frozr III w/ factory OC 7850 for $219.99 after $40 MIR
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69585&vpn=R7850%20Twin%20...

MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr II for $229.99 after $20 MIR
July 29, 2012 6:01:31 PM

Nice, it also comes with 3 games! Whereas the 7850 only comes with 1. And so you're pretty sure @1920x1080 I won't need more than 1280MB of VRAM in the next 2-3 years? Obviously nobody can be positive, but what do you think?
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 7:08:53 PM

been thinking about it some and right now 1080p and 1.2GB is fine but in the future even if you stay @ 1080p,
the games themselves might get needier than they are now..
Skyrim, BF3, Crysys2 DX11 can eat some VRAM and more intensive games to come..
(good thing..)

hmm, too bad the 2GB versions of the 570 are almost all gone.
you have a good point and it's something I never really really considered until now.
July 29, 2012 7:15:10 PM

With a new console generation inbound, anything under 2GB makes me uncomfortable. That GTX 570 is a better price/performance deal, but I personally don't like the idea of only 1.2GB vram.

That said, I don't think it's a huge risk. It's a little bit more performance for a little bit more risk. I don't think you'd regret either purchase.
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 7:15:41 PM

BigMack70 said:
With a new console generation inbound, anything under 2GB makes me uncomfortable. That GTX 570 is a better price/performance deal, but I personally don't like the idea of only 1.2GB vram.

That said, I don't think it's a huge risk. It's a little bit more performance for a little bit more risk. I don't think you'd regret either purchase.

you might be right the more I keep thinking about it.

but in relation to thread, just don't like the HD 7850.
it's got to be the HD 7870 or nVidia.

man that 2GB version of the GTX 570 seems sweet though but lower pricing..
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 7:16:05 PM

EDIT : The +1 was t the comment 2 above.

+1 ^

If you can get the 2Gb I'd take it I agree, if not, then the choice is tough :/ 
July 29, 2012 7:46:06 PM

verbalizer said:
you might be right the more I keep thinking about it.

but in relation to thread, just don't like the HD 7850.
it's got to be the HD 7870 or nVidia.

man that 2GB version of the GTX 570 seems sweet though but lower pricing..


Why are you so against the 7850? and from the sounds of it, you guys mostly seem to agree that it'd be "safest" with 2GB, and I think I'll take that over a little more performance and fully matured drivers because if even games NOW are requiring over 1GB, I think future-proofing is best and quite frankly, texture quality (the resolution of the textures usually) is what always seems to use the most VRAM, and it doesn't seem to affect performance too much, so I think in the future I'll keep that up and perhaps lower a few settings here and there if it gets to that point.
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 7:55:23 PM

it's an oddball GPU.
to weak for my needs and too expensive for it's performance.
needs to be even cheaper.

and I always said it will do, just not for me.
!