GTX 670 vs. GTX 660ti or Radeon 7950
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 7:20:12 PM
Hey guys,
I have my build all together except for the GPU. Considering my budget and my intentions (gaming at 1920x1080), I think I have 4 possible ways to go and I need some advice.
I could:
1. Get a gtx 670 for < $400 (discount on newegg) MSI or galaxy
Which of these two is better quality/price value?
2. Wait for the gtx 660ti to come out next month and wait to see how it compares in price/performance with the 7950. Decide then.
3. Get the radeon 7950 right now!MSI for $310
The gtx 670 is normally right outside of my budget range at $400-$420. But those two deals significantly reduce the price. Do you think it's worth it to just get the 670 and forget this 660ti/7950 debate?
My setup:
Core i5 3570k
Gigabyte GA-Z77x-UD3H
2 x 4gb Corsair vengeance DDR3 1600
2tb seagate barracuda 3.0 gb/s
I have my build all together except for the GPU. Considering my budget and my intentions (gaming at 1920x1080), I think I have 4 possible ways to go and I need some advice.
I could:
1. Get a gtx 670 for < $400 (discount on newegg) MSI or galaxy
Which of these two is better quality/price value?
2. Wait for the gtx 660ti to come out next month and wait to see how it compares in price/performance with the 7950. Decide then.
3. Get the radeon 7950 right now!MSI for $310
The gtx 670 is normally right outside of my budget range at $400-$420. But those two deals significantly reduce the price. Do you think it's worth it to just get the 670 and forget this 660ti/7950 debate?
My setup:
Core i5 3570k
Gigabyte GA-Z77x-UD3H
2 x 4gb Corsair vengeance DDR3 1600
2tb seagate barracuda 3.0 gb/s
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 8:31:59 PM
Best solution
If you take a gtx 670 you can OC it and it will beat a gtx 680. The gtx 670 goes head to head with the hd7970, at least at stock speeds, the hd7970 have more OC headroom. I would go for the gtx 670. The amd cards have the benefit of having adjustable voltage, the gtx600 cards are limited to 1.175v. However the hd7950 will be more than enough for games @ 1920x1080, its a good deal that when overclocked only gets sweeter. Personally I would go with a gtx 670, but its up to you, the gtx 600s have adaptive v sync along with new AA technology, and they support up to 4 displays so its not only amd that now supports 3 displays or more.
Hope this helps!
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 8:58:29 PM
I'll only be using 2 displays max. Also, I know the gtx670 is better by all performance means.
I'm just wondering if it is really $60 better and if I'll notice a $60 difference. Because if I bought today, that would be the price difference. The twin frozr MSI radeon 7950 is $310 after rebate and the MSI. The MSI 670 is $370 after promotional newegg giftcard and the galaxy 670 is $380 after promo and MIR.
Is the 670 really worth the extra 60-70 dollars?
I'm just wondering if it is really $60 better and if I'll notice a $60 difference. Because if I bought today, that would be the price difference. The twin frozr MSI radeon 7950 is $310 after rebate and the MSI. The MSI 670 is $370 after promotional newegg giftcard and the galaxy 670 is $380 after promo and MIR.
Is the 670 really worth the extra 60-70 dollars?
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If its $60 then IMO its worth it, the hd7950 will not come close to the gtx 670, if you were to overclock both a gtx 670 and a hd7950 the gtx 670 would still win so whoever said they were close i dont think that is the case. For $60 I would go for the MSI card. MSI is a better brand than galaxy, but if its a reference design then there wont be much of a difference.
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Hope this helps!
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:06:37 PM
MSI 670
I don't think it's a reference card!
I don't think it's a reference card!
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:11:06 PM
ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:13:02 PM
BigMack70 said:
Wow that 7950 @ $310 is a great deal... better price/performance than even the GTX 670.I'd pick one of those up in a heartbeat... overclock it if you want GTX 670 performance from it.
It's factory overclocked to 880 mhz. I think it's a really big deal and unless I can hear some compelling evidence that the 670 is better in the long run or is worth the extra $60 for some other reason, I'm gonna go with the MSI 7950!
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Well the hd7950 is more than enough for 1920x1080p as i said before. If you don't need the best of the best then the hd7950 is great, it beats all the last generation cards. As for having a second card in the future performance wise you should be gettin 1.8 times the performance compared to one card, but that is just a rough figure and it all depends on how well both cards scale in specific games. AMD cards have been known for having a bit more driver issues with multi GPU setups, but both crossfire and SLI setups can suffer from things like microstutter, although such problems have decreased with the evolution of drivers in some cases they are still present. Note that two gtx670 will use less power than two hd7950s, but if you power supply can handle it then I dont see why not.
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:23:13 PM
ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:23:31 PM
Well its a good idea to have a good quality 700watt psu if you plan on having two hd 7950 in crossfire. Pc power and cooling is quite a nice unit from what i read, so it should be more than fine for a crossfire hd 7950 setup, you just have to have enough six pin power connectors which it has, assuming you have this pc power and cooling :
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/PC-Power-and-Coo...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/PC-Power-and-Coo...
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As for the 660ti if it is cheaper or at the price of a hd7950 then it may be a good choice. It should outperform the hd7950, but if you were to overclock the hd7950 then i think it could be at the level or better then a gtx660. However we cannot really compare the two now as we don't know how the gtx 660 will perform. However if you take a hd7950 it should still be fine for your needs.
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Hope this helps!
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fil1p said:
As for the 660ti if it is cheaper or at the price of a hd7950 then it may be a good choice. It should outperform the hd7950, but if you were to overclock the hd7950 then i think it could be at the level or better then a gtx660. However we cannot really compare the two now as we don't know how the gtx 660 will perform. However if you take a hd7950 it should still be fine for your needs.Hope this helps!
an overclocked HD 7950 could beat a stock GTX 670 ? let a long a GTX 660 TI which will be slower than GTX 670 ?
both stock
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=550
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:43:16 PM
ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:47:59 PM
Yes if you overclock it in certain situation it may beat it, but consider the fact that if you overclock both of the cards the gtx 670 will beat the hd7950. Also if you look at that list the hd7950 mostly beats the gtx670 at resolutions of 2560x1600, which i doubt he will be playing at. The hd7950 beats the gtx670 when run in triple monitor set ups but consider that it has 1gb more ram which helps it out in those situations. At normal resolutions the gtx 670 is better.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
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take a look at that, in battlefield 3 the gtx 670 beats the hd7950 by 15fps
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
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take a look at that, in battlefield 3 the gtx 670 beats the hd7950 by 15fps
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 9:53:30 PM
Well the hd7950 will run all of your games at 1920x1080, and if you want to save $60 then go for it. The gtx 670 will outperform it in gaming. The gtx 670 uses less power, but its compute performance is not so good. Will you be using you graphic card for other purposes other than gaming, such as 3d rendering? Since the gtx 670 is on sale from msi then its a pretty nice deal.
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 10:02:09 PM
ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 10:05:07 PM
I'd be in no rush to buy till I see the pricing and performance if the 660 Ti......
As for the others....here's the results of Guru3D testing
The 7950 gets 746 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 7950 Twin Frozr is good for about 800-820 fps based upon its 10% OC
The 7970 Ghz Edition gets 952 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 670 gets 917 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 670 TOP gets 999 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
Now lets see how these overclocking claims hold up.....
Overclocked 670 TOP gets 9839 in 3D Mark 11
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
Overclocked Twin FrozrII 7950 gets 9017 in 3D Mark 11
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-radeon-hd-7950-twin-f...
That's a 9% advantage to the 670 TOP ..... so if performance alone is what's the deciding factor, then the 670 top is the easy choice.
However, with the price of the Frozr pushed all the way down to $310, that's perty attractive....at $360 I wouldn't touch it but $310 you are paying 73% of the price for 91% of the performance.....so the bang for the buck goes to the Frozr.
Given that price though, I gotta wonder if somebody might be expecting a helluva kick from the 660 Ti
As for the others....here's the results of Guru3D testing
The 7950 gets 746 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 7950 Twin Frozr is good for about 800-820 fps based upon its 10% OC
The 7970 Ghz Edition gets 952 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 670 gets 917 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 670 TOP gets 999 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
Now lets see how these overclocking claims hold up.....
Overclocked 670 TOP gets 9839 in 3D Mark 11
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
Overclocked Twin FrozrII 7950 gets 9017 in 3D Mark 11
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-radeon-hd-7950-twin-f...
That's a 9% advantage to the 670 TOP ..... so if performance alone is what's the deciding factor, then the 670 top is the easy choice.
However, with the price of the Frozr pushed all the way down to $310, that's perty attractive....at $360 I wouldn't touch it but $310 you are paying 73% of the price for 91% of the performance.....so the bang for the buck goes to the Frozr.
Given that price though, I gotta wonder if somebody might be expecting a helluva kick from the 660 Ti
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 10:06:14 PM
^+1 if you want value for your money the hd7950 is the way to go, if you want max performance go with the gtx670 and don't look back. However the $310 hd7950 is a twin frozr so it has non reference cooling which the msi gtx670 doesnt have, so thats even more overclocking potential. If you want to play games and you don't care if you are getting 10-15 fps less even if it is still smooth then go with the hd7950 and save some cash.
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ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 10:09:35 PM
ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 10:12:13 PM
ForYourHealth
July 26, 2012 10:12:53 PM
ForYourHealth
July 27, 2012 3:11:26 AM
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