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GTX 670 vs. GTX 660ti or Radeon 7950

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July 26, 2012 7:20:12 PM

Hey guys,

I have my build all together except for the GPU. Considering my budget and my intentions (gaming at 1920x1080), I think I have 4 possible ways to go and I need some advice.

I could:
1. Get a gtx 670 for < $400 (discount on newegg) MSI or galaxy
Which of these two is better quality/price value?

2. Wait for the gtx 660ti to come out next month and wait to see how it compares in price/performance with the 7950. Decide then.

3. Get the radeon 7950 right now!MSI for $310


The gtx 670 is normally right outside of my budget range at $400-$420. But those two deals significantly reduce the price. Do you think it's worth it to just get the 670 and forget this 660ti/7950 debate?


My setup:
Core i5 3570k
Gigabyte GA-Z77x-UD3H
2 x 4gb Corsair vengeance DDR3 1600
2tb seagate barracuda 3.0 gb/s
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July 26, 2012 7:54:51 PM

The 7950 @ $310 for sure is the way to go. When you overclock it to an easy 1.1Ghz it matches a gtx 680, and if you playing with voltages than the 7950 will reach a level of performance the gtx 670 overclocked cannot match.
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July 26, 2012 8:01:21 PM

gtx 660 is not out yet
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July 26, 2012 8:31:59 PM

I know, the 660ti doesn't come out next month!


And redeemer, are you sure that's true? An OCed 7950 is better than an OCed 670?? If that's true, then it's a freakin no brainer, one costs $100 less haha
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July 26, 2012 8:52:53 PM

If you take a gtx 670 you can OC it and it will beat a gtx 680. The gtx 670 goes head to head with the hd7970, at least at stock speeds, the hd7970 have more OC headroom. I would go for the gtx 670. The amd cards have the benefit of having adjustable voltage, the gtx600 cards are limited to 1.175v. However the hd7950 will be more than enough for games @ 1920x1080, its a good deal that when overclocked only gets sweeter. Personally I would go with a gtx 670, but its up to you, the gtx 600s have adaptive v sync along with new AA technology, and they support up to 4 displays so its not only amd that now supports 3 displays or more.

Hope this helps!
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July 26, 2012 8:58:29 PM

I'll only be using 2 displays max. Also, I know the gtx670 is better by all performance means.

I'm just wondering if it is really $60 better and if I'll notice a $60 difference. Because if I bought today, that would be the price difference. The twin frozr MSI radeon 7950 is $310 after rebate and the MSI. The MSI 670 is $370 after promotional newegg giftcard and the galaxy 670 is $380 after promo and MIR.

Is the 670 really worth the extra 60-70 dollars?
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July 26, 2012 9:02:25 PM

If its $60 then IMO its worth it, the hd7950 will not come close to the gtx 670, if you were to overclock both a gtx 670 and a hd7950 the gtx 670 would still win so whoever said they were close i dont think that is the case. For $60 I would go for the MSI card. MSI is a better brand than galaxy, but if its a reference design then there wont be much of a difference.

Hope this helps!
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July 26, 2012 9:08:58 PM

Well in that case its even better, but the cooling looks like its the stock version, the only thing i see is that this one is a bit overclocked, and has a bit better power circuitry components.
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July 26, 2012 9:11:06 PM

Also, I will probably be adding a second card in the future, unless at whatever point I decide to upgrade it is more cost effective to buy a single new card (probably in a couple years).

Which do you think go better when doubling up, 670s or 7950s?
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July 26, 2012 9:13:02 PM

BigMack70 said:
Wow that 7950 @ $310 is a great deal... better price/performance than even the GTX 670.

I'd pick one of those up in a heartbeat... overclock it if you want GTX 670 performance from it.



It's factory overclocked to 880 mhz. I think it's a really big deal and unless I can hear some compelling evidence that the 670 is better in the long run or is worth the extra $60 for some other reason, I'm gonna go with the MSI 7950!
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July 26, 2012 9:21:11 PM

Well the hd7950 is more than enough for 1920x1080p as i said before. If you don't need the best of the best then the hd7950 is great, it beats all the last generation cards. As for having a second card in the future performance wise you should be gettin 1.8 times the performance compared to one card, but that is just a rough figure and it all depends on how well both cards scale in specific games. AMD cards have been known for having a bit more driver issues with multi GPU setups, but both crossfire and SLI setups can suffer from things like microstutter, although such problems have decreased with the evolution of drivers in some cases they are still present. Note that two gtx670 will use less power than two hd7950s, but if you power supply can handle it then I dont see why not.
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July 26, 2012 9:23:13 PM

I have a 750W PC power and cooling, do you think that will do?
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July 26, 2012 9:23:31 PM

Also, no one ever speculated about the 660ti! Would it be worth waiting for that?
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July 26, 2012 9:31:25 PM

Well its a good idea to have a good quality 700watt psu if you plan on having two hd 7950 in crossfire. Pc power and cooling is quite a nice unit from what i read, so it should be more than fine for a crossfire hd 7950 setup, you just have to have enough six pin power connectors which it has, assuming you have this pc power and cooling :
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/PC-Power-and-Coo...
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July 26, 2012 9:34:19 PM

As for the 660ti if it is cheaper or at the price of a hd7950 then it may be a good choice. It should outperform the hd7950, but if you were to overclock the hd7950 then i think it could be at the level or better then a gtx660. However we cannot really compare the two now as we don't know how the gtx 660 will perform. However if you take a hd7950 it should still be fine for your needs.

Hope this helps!
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July 26, 2012 9:38:28 PM

fil1p said:
As for the 660ti if it is cheaper or at the price of a hd7950 then it may be a good choice. It should outperform the hd7950, but if you were to overclock the hd7950 then i think it could be at the level or better then a gtx660. However we cannot really compare the two now as we don't know how the gtx 660 will perform. However if you take a hd7950 it should still be fine for your needs.

Hope this helps!

an overclocked HD 7950 could beat a stock GTX 670 ? let a long a GTX 660 TI which will be slower than GTX 670 ?


both stock
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=550
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July 26, 2012 9:43:16 PM

The gtx 660ti is expected to be priced at $299 (before aftermarket versions and stuff like that). What about it will make it outperform the 7950? If that's true, I'd hands down go with the 660ti.
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July 26, 2012 9:46:04 PM

ForYourHealth said:
The gtx 660ti is expected to be priced at $299 (before aftermarket versions and stuff like that). What about it will make it outperform the 7950? If that's true, I'd hands down go with the 660ti.

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July 26, 2012 9:47:59 PM

gamerkila, I don't understand what you're intending to say. Did I say something really stupid?
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July 26, 2012 9:48:33 PM

Yes if you overclock it in certain situation it may beat it, but consider the fact that if you overclock both of the cards the gtx 670 will beat the hd7950. Also if you look at that list the hd7950 mostly beats the gtx670 at resolutions of 2560x1600, which i doubt he will be playing at. The hd7950 beats the gtx670 when run in triple monitor set ups but consider that it has 1gb more ram which helps it out in those situations. At normal resolutions the gtx 670 is better.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
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take a look at that, in battlefield 3 the gtx 670 beats the hd7950 by 15fps
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July 26, 2012 9:49:22 PM

I would go with a hd7950 over a gtx660.
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July 26, 2012 9:51:41 PM

fil1p said:
I would go with a hd7950 over a gtx660.

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July 26, 2012 9:53:30 PM

So then I have to decide now. Is the gtx 670 worth the extra 60-70 dollars?

I'm beginning to wonder if I would ever notice a difference either way. In the end, I'll only get to use one of the cards. haha
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July 26, 2012 9:59:13 PM

Well the hd7950 will run all of your games at 1920x1080, and if you want to save $60 then go for it. The gtx 670 will outperform it in gaming. The gtx 670 uses less power, but its compute performance is not so good. Will you be using you graphic card for other purposes other than gaming, such as 3d rendering? Since the gtx 670 is on sale from msi then its a pretty nice deal.
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July 26, 2012 10:02:09 PM

Gaming will be its primary use. The only other thing I'll use it for is school work, surfing the web. Nothing with high requirements.
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July 26, 2012 10:02:14 PM

i say get the HD 7950 and oc it and save the money ?
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July 26, 2012 10:05:07 PM

I think that's what I'm leaning towards. I'm already over budget, so it's hard to make myself spend $60 more for the 670. Especially when the 7950 will get the job done. I've never had a nice gaming computer before anyways, so I'm sure I'll be blown away.
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July 26, 2012 10:05:08 PM

I'd be in no rush to buy till I see the pricing and performance if the 660 Ti......

As for the others....here's the results of Guru3D testing

The 7950 gets 746 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 7950 Twin Frozr is good for about 800-820 fps based upon its 10% OC
The 7970 Ghz Edition gets 952 fps in Guru3D's game test suite

The 670 gets 917 fps in Guru3D's game test suite
The 670 TOP gets 999 fps in Guru3D's game test suite


Now lets see how these overclocking claims hold up.....

Overclocked 670 TOP gets 9839 in 3D Mark 11
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...

Overclocked Twin FrozrII 7950 gets 9017 in 3D Mark 11
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-radeon-hd-7950-twin-f...

That's a 9% advantage to the 670 TOP ..... so if performance alone is what's the deciding factor, then the 670 top is the easy choice.

However, with the price of the Frozr pushed all the way down to $310, that's perty attractive....at $360 I wouldn't touch it but $310 you are paying 73% of the price for 91% of the performance.....so the bang for the buck goes to the Frozr.

Given that price though, I gotta wonder if somebody might be expecting a helluva kick from the 660 Ti
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July 26, 2012 10:06:14 PM

Damnit, why does someone else have to come in and tell me to wait for the 660 ti!

I guess I'm just afraid the twin frozr 7950 might not still be on sale so much by mid august when the 660ti's roll out.
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July 26, 2012 10:08:38 PM

^+1 if you want value for your money the hd7950 is the way to go, if you want max performance go with the gtx670 and don't look back. However the $310 hd7950 is a twin frozr so it has non reference cooling which the msi gtx670 doesnt have, so thats even more overclocking potential. If you want to play games and you don't care if you are getting 10-15 fps less even if it is still smooth then go with the hd7950 and save some cash.
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July 26, 2012 10:09:35 PM

I'm gonna feel real dumb if the 660ti comes out and the price of the 7950s all drop a ton!
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July 26, 2012 10:09:44 PM

Even if the gtx660s come out I dont think they will outperform a hd7950, and i think you will not find a custom cooled gtx660 for the same price as the twin frozr that you could have now.
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July 26, 2012 10:12:13 PM

That's reassuring!
Thanks so much for the advice guys, I really feel a lot more confident in my decision!
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July 26, 2012 10:12:53 PM

Best answer selected by ForYourHealth.
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July 26, 2012 10:15:51 PM

:)  Dont worry, its ok to have doubts when making graphic card decisions, it can be hard to make a choice sometimes.
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July 27, 2012 3:11:26 AM

You guys are all very nice and very helpful!

Everyone who posted in here shows why I come to Tom's Hardware and why it's such a great site.

Thanks again!!!
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