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September 14, 2012 9:03:39 PM

["If I'd known it was that easy, I'd've been stealing monkeys since I was 7 and ***."-Jay] :o  Hey Guys/Gals I'm new to the PC world and could use some advice on my proposed build for a new work station PC.

1) Usage.

Video editing, Photoshop, Graphics, Audio Production/Music, and light Gaming/etc. (gaming not that important to me, my pc gaming usage most likely to be some nintendo emulators or something I already have an xbox wii and ps3 lol)

2) Budget. Tax and shipping included.

$0-$2500

3) Parts List.

Mobo: Asus PX79 WS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor Intel i7 3820 or 3930k can't decide if I really need six cores please assist!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006YM9JSW/ref=ox_sc_a...

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-3930K-Hexa-Core-Processo...

GPU: GTX 570 or 670

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EYSMGW/ref=ox_sc_a...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G Skill Ripjaws Z or X series with either (2x8GB) or (4x4GB)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also Z or X series??? RAM is confusing to me please advise....

Boots: Crucial 128GB/256GB/512GB M4 SSD and a Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM 1TB HDD

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W2JKZI/ref=ox_sc_a...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005T3GRNW/ref=ox_sc_a...

Power Supply: Corsair 850ax

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003PJ6QW4/ref=ox_sc_a...

Blu-Dr: Pioneer BDR-207

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0075WEPJI/ref=ox_sc_a...

Case: Antec 1200 Full Tower

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004INH0FS/ref=ox_sc_a...

Monitors: 2 Viewsonic 22" 1080p led

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HFCDLY/ref=ox_sc_a...

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate

4) Timeline.

Next 30 days.

5) General Questions/Overview

So is this setup too advanced for me? not advanced enough?

Is the Gtx 570 obsolete?

Do I need a six core processor or is quad all good?

What RAM do I really need?

Do I need the WS x79 or is stock/pro the better choice?

Will all these components work together?

Do I need additional cooling?

Can you RAID 1 an ssd to a hdd?

Where can I save here? please advise! :sweat: 

Thanks all!

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September 14, 2012 9:18:06 PM

I'd just get an i7-3770K and ASRock Extreme6 or ASUS P8Z77 series mobo. Get the 670. Here's the RAM:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get a 128GB SSD. Get 650w and Windows Home Premium 64-bit.
Get the Hyper 212 EVO cooling.
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September 14, 2012 9:26:18 PM

Most of that looks pretty good. Whether you need hex-core, only you can decide. It helps speed up some of the CPU intensive tasks in editing. In most respects it's a question of how much, and how important max speed is. Generally tend to say, for the professional hex is virtually essential, for the amateur, a nice luxury, if not on tight budget, if you are a real enthusiast.
Neither of those RAMs, really. You need to decide which processor, first to decide best RAM. You will need to get cooler for CPU. If you want to use air cooler, you will need low profile RAM (to avoid a clash). 1600 MHz Cas9 is ideal speed.
Whether you want WS mobo is similar to whether you want hex core. If you are going to work it really hard, then it may be worth it.
You really need two identical drive for raids. If you can find it, there was very good article in PC & Tech Authority, a couple of moths ago.
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September 14, 2012 9:37:07 PM

obsama1 said:
I'd just get an i7-3770K and ASRock Extreme6 or ASUS P8Z77 series mobo. Get the 670. Here's the RAM:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get a 128GB SSD. Get 650w and Windows Home Premium 64-bit.
Get the Hyper 212 EVO cooling.

If OP doesn't want to go to hex-core level, agree i7-3770K and (preferably good) Asus Z77 is the way to go. Whilst GTX 670 now fine with Adobe, not sure it's BETTER than 570, for video etc. Obviously is for gaming. If he's really seriously into photo stuff, may even be worth thinking of Quadro, but might struggle with budget.
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September 14, 2012 9:40:03 PM

malbluff said:
Most of that looks pretty good. Whether you need hex-core, only you can decide. It helps speed up some of the CPU intensive tasks in editing. In most respects it's a question of how much, and how important max speed is. Generally tend to say, for the professional hex is virtually essential, for the amateur, a nice luxury, if not on tight budget, if you are a real enthusiast.
Neither of those RAMs, really. You need to decide which processor, first to decide best RAM. You will need to get cooler for CPU. If you want to use air cooler, you will need low profile RAM (to avoid a clash). 1600 MHz Cas9 is ideal speed.
Whether you want WS mobo is similar to whether you want hex core. If you are going to work it really hard, then it may be worth it.
You really need two identical drive for raids. If you can find it, there was very good article in PC & Tech Authority, a couple of moths ago.


Thanks bluff that helps out a lot but would you go for the 3770k or 3820? and is that GTX 570 outdated? which GPU should I go for? 670?
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September 14, 2012 9:47:39 PM

hmm the quadros are so expensive and Ive heard the 570 nearly/does outperform(s) the 4000 both ,256-bit. The Quadro 2000 is only 128-bit and still more expensive than the 570... but i'm just not sure... the budget was originally 1500 but for what I want/need I am not spending any less than two grand (including monitors mouse and key) lol
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September 14, 2012 9:57:33 PM

The 3770K, because it's cheaper, on a newer architecture, and beats the 3820 by ~5%. The 570 uses a lot of power. The 670 is newer.
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September 14, 2012 10:01:00 PM

FRIDGE13 said:
hmm the quadros are so expensive and Ive heard the 570 nearly/does outperform(s) the 4000 both ,256-bit. The Quadro 2000 is only 128-bit and still more expensive than the 570... but i'm just not sure... the budget was originally 1500 but for what I want/need I am not spending any less than two grand (including monitors mouse and key) lol

Frankly, if you are going to stick with quad core, I think you are just as well to go with i7-3770K, and possibly Asus P8Z77-V PRO. More, sort of, "mainstream". I think the V PRO is really good board. You can argue it's a bit overpriced, and there are cheaper, but you can't argue with the quality. GPU choice depends, a bit, on what else you might want it for. The GTX 670 is more up to date, and nimble, for things like gaming, but the older GTX 570, is very good for editing type stuff, equal, possibly better than the GTX 670, just for that. 570 can be regarded as a bit of a reliable workhorse, the 670 more of a thoroughbred.
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September 14, 2012 10:03:37 PM

obsama1 said:
The 3770K, because it's cheaper, on a newer architecture, and beats the 3820 by ~5%. The 570 uses a lot of power. The 670 is newer.

Thanks obsama! and as far as mobo? are you a fan of the x79's? or is the p8z77's the way to go for video?
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September 14, 2012 10:06:56 PM

The x79's aren't compatible w/ the 3770K.

For the mobo get either the Extreme 6 or P8Z77-V. Both are great.
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September 14, 2012 10:13:38 PM

malbluff said:
Frankly, if you are going to stick with quad core, I think you are just as well to go with i7-3770K, and possibly Asus P8Z77-V PRO. More, sort of, "mainstream". I think the V PRO is really good board. You can argue it's a bit overpriced, and there are cheaper, but you can't argue with the quality. GPU choice depends, a bit, on what else you might want it for. The GTX 670 is more up to date, and nimble, for things like gaming, but the older GTX 570, is very good for editing type stuff, equal, possibly better than the GTX 670, just for that. 570 can be regarded as a bit of a reliable workhorse, the 670 more of a thoroughbred.


Good analogy! At about a 100 dollars more the 670 may be the wiser choice I guess if I did go the p8z77 route there is about a 100 dollars savings between the px79 ws so it works out.... quick question though is the deluxe p8z77 model worth the extra 80 dollars between pro?
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September 14, 2012 10:15:24 PM

obsama1 said:
The x79's aren't compatible w/ the 3770K.

For the mobo get either the Extreme 6 or P8Z77-V. Both are great.

Thank you
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September 14, 2012 10:17:18 PM

CPU + Mobo: Intel Core i7-3770K + MSI Z77A-G45 $431.98 (before $10 mail-in-rebate)
Cooler: COOLER MASTER V6 GT $49.99
RAM: G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600 $89.99
GPU: GIGABYTE Radeon HD 7870 $259.99 (before $7.56 shipping and $20 mail-in-rebate)
SSD: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos 240GB SATA III $169.99
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM x2 (RAID 1) $169.98 (before $7.98 shipping)
Blu-ray: LG Black 14X BD-R $69.99 (before 4.99 shipping)
Case: COUGAR Evolution Black $89.99 (before $12.99 shipping)
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower XT 675W 80+ BRONZE Modular $89.99

Sub-total: $1421.89
Shipping: $33.52
Total: $1455.41

Mail-in-rebates: -$30.00

If you spend a lot of time rendering, you may want to go with i7-3930k. It's going to add ~$250 to your build. You're not a gamer, so an AMD 7850 or greater is a better choice than similarly priced Nvidia options because of their greater GPU compute performance. You can choose whatever case and optical drive you want.
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September 14, 2012 10:18:35 PM

Don't get the V6.
Get a 240/256GB 830 or M4.
Thermaltake makes so-so PSU's. Otherwise, good.
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September 14, 2012 10:19:24 PM

obsama1 said:
The x79's aren't compatible w/ the 3770K.

For the mobo get either the Extreme 6 or P8Z77-V. Both are great.

which model of extreme 6 though?
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September 14, 2012 10:21:13 PM

The Z77.
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September 14, 2012 10:25:55 PM

3770k or 3930k? Also is an 850w power supply too much? should I just go 750?
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September 14, 2012 10:27:36 PM

How much video editing and Pphotoshop do you do? If you do a TON, then 3930K. Otherwise, 3770K.
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September 14, 2012 10:27:57 PM

850w is way too much. 650w is good.
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September 14, 2012 10:28:39 PM

obsama1 said:
The Z77.

but is the p8z77-v preferred?
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September 14, 2012 10:30:56 PM

Best answer selected by FRIDGE13.
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September 14, 2012 10:31:00 PM

First decide your CPU. If you go 3770K, I'd get the ASUS. If you get the 3930K, stick with the one you have now.
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September 14, 2012 10:32:44 PM

so should I RAID1 with two SSDs or two HDDs or is hybrid a bad idea?
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September 14, 2012 10:35:11 PM

Sorry, I don't know a lot about RAID, so I can't help you with that. : (
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September 14, 2012 10:37:13 PM

obsama1 said:
First decide your CPU. If you go 3770K, I'd get the ASUS. If you get the 3930K, stick with the one you have now.


so in other words 3930k and asus px79 ws whereas 3770k and asus p8z77 pro? or what were you sayin?
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September 14, 2012 10:38:54 PM

Having had a quick look for anything really comparing 570 & 670 for editing, it seems to be mostly "opinion". Having said that, opinion seems to be there's not much between them, whichever is slightly better. The choice seems to boil down to the cheaper 570, or the 670, which is dearer, equal in editing, better in other things, and uses less power. Without budget constraints, I'd have to revise my opinion to say the 670 is better OVERALL, in the long term, but it's a close one, especially with budget limitations.
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September 14, 2012 10:48:21 PM

Try to get hold of that article on raid, it should be online. Really did explain it well. I'm not going to attempt to give advice on raid, cos there are so many different versions. Article explains pros and cons of each. It was titled "Project, understanding raid" or something like that. My vote for set-up would be i7-3770K + Asus P8Z77-V PRO.
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September 14, 2012 10:50:05 PM

malbluff said:
Try to get hold of that article on raid, it should be online. Really did explain it well. I'm not going to attempt to give advice on raid, cos there are so many different versions. Article explains pros and cons of each. It was titled "Project, understanding raid" or something like that. My vote for set-up would be i7-3770K + Asus P8Z77-V PRO.

thank you bluff you've been a great help.
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September 14, 2012 10:51:25 PM

about pro vs deluxe though?
for the p8z77-v?
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September 14, 2012 10:52:33 PM

Look, how much work do you do w/video editing and Photoshop? If you do a TON, get the 3930K and ASROck Extreme 11 X79. If you do a lot, but not a ton, get the 3770K and ASUS p8Z77-V.
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September 14, 2012 10:59:21 PM

obsama1 said:
Look, how much work do you do w/video editing and Photoshop? If you do a TON, get the 3930K and ASROck Extreme 11 X79. If you do a lot, but not a ton, get the 3770K and ASUS p8Z77-V.

thanks you've been the most help today do you think the deluxe is worth the extra 80$ over pro for the p8z77?
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September 14, 2012 11:03:11 PM

It's a bit swings and roundabout, it more a case of slightly DIFFERENT feature set, not one particularly better. The V pro seems to have everything most people want, and it's certainly much the more popular. You can do a direct comparason, side by side, on Asus' site. You'll see it's a bit more here, a bit less there, but unless you see something you really want on the deluxe, I would stick with V PRO. At least, it's the ONE I like, for what that's worth.
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September 14, 2012 11:04:54 PM

malbluff said:
It's a bit swings and roundabout, it more a case of slightly DIFFERENT feature set, not one particularly better. The V pro seems to have everything most people want, and it's certainly much the more popular. You can do a direct comparason, side by side, on Asus' site. You'll see it's a bit more here, a bit less there, but unless you see something you really want on the deluxe, I would stick with V PRO. At least, it's the ONE I like, for what that's worth.

thanks again
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September 14, 2012 11:05:14 PM

It's certainly nice, but think about it. Can/Will you make use of the extra features?
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September 15, 2012 12:39:57 PM

UPDATE REVISED PARTS LIST

MOBO: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT

PROCESSOR: Intel i7 3770k

GPU: GTX 670

RAM: G. SKILL Sniper 16GB (2x8GB)

BOOT(S):Crucial M4 128GB (for OS and key programs) plus 2 Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB (in a RAID 1 array for all other data.)

EXTERNAL BACKUP: Seagate Expansion 2TB

COOLING: Hyper 212 EVO

POWER: Corsair 750AX

BLU-DR: Pioneer BDR-207

CASE: Antec 1200 Full Tower

MONITORS: Viewsonic 22" Full HD LED x2

MOUSE/KEY: Logitech

Is the external hard drive a good choice? Do all my components fit together? Any thoughts or comments on my boot setup? And is there better RAM for this setup?

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September 15, 2012 1:04:17 PM

Main thing with external storage is to make sure it's USB 3 not 2. I see you've gone for Thunderbolt. Possibly good, or the future. You can get Thunderbolt Ext Raid arrays, but they are a ridiculous price (maybe one for the future, when they get more mainstream). No real need to change RAM. Crucial Ballistic sport, or GSkill Ares, or Corsair CML, are options, but no real need, unless someone else knows that one is "best". I'm not sure RAID 1 is best, but I'm not sure, so best read that article (or another).
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September 16, 2012 4:01:34 AM

see below post
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September 16, 2012 4:02:37 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814195106

maybe this GPU over the 670 i've heard its better because it has crossfire pro?? or rather Multi GPU usage due to windowed mode support
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September 16, 2012 8:38:21 AM


REVISED(2) PARTS LIST

MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel i7 3770k

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SZ0EOW/ref=ox_sc_a...

GPU: FirePro V5900

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G. SKILL Ares 16GB (2x8GB)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: Corsair TX750

http://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Enthusiast-Series-Certifi...

BOOTS: (2) 128 GB Crucial M4 (one for Windows OS + applications, one for Mac OS + applications) And (2) Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB (in RAID 1 for storage)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W2JKZI/ref=ox_sc_a...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005T3GRNW/ref=ox_sc_a...

INTERNAL BACKUP: Seagate 7200RPM 2TB

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005T3GRN2/ref=ox_sc_a...

CASE: Antec 1200 Full Tower

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004INH0FS/ref=ox_sc_a...

COOLING: Antec Kuhler 620 or Hyper 212 EVO

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LWYE4Q/ref=ox_sc_a...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=ox_sc_a...

BLU-DR: Pioneer BDR-207

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0075WEPJI/ref=ox_sc_a...

MONITORS: (2) Viewsonic 22" LED Full HD 1080p

MOUSE/KEY: Logitech LS1/K120

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DJ64CA/ref=ox_sc_a...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ELVLKU/ref=ox_sc_a...

OS: Windows Ultimate 64-bit and Mac 10.8



thoughts? where can i trim the fat or possibly just upgrade later?
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September 16, 2012 9:04:54 AM

Don't THINK that FirePro is compatable with some Adobe stuff. Recommend you check!
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September 16, 2012 12:50:36 PM

malbluff said:
Don't THINK that FirePro is compatable with some Adobe stuff. Recommend you check!

good looking out seems okay from the couple articles i scanned
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