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July 28, 2012 4:07:39 PM

Hi guys,

I've been thinking about buying a new computer. The computer I have mind is a Packard Bell iMedia I6603 NL, since it seems to be a great deal for a pretty low price.

Specs:
Intel Core i5-2320 @ 3.3 GHz
6GB RAM DDR3
2TB HDD
nVidia GT520

So, what I would like to do is to buy this computer and install a new power supply and a new graphics card. The thing is, the case is very small. The dimensions are 175 x 256 x 352 mm. So I'm worried that I won't be able to install a good graphics card because of its small size.

So my question is: do you guys know a good power supply + graphics card combination for this computer? My budget is about €200 - 250. Also, would you guys recommend this computer?
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 4:22:58 PM

Seems like a model not usually sold in North America, I can't find any English pages on this thing.

Either way, you can definitely install a discrete video card, measure the internal length dimensions. A 7750 should work well with your current power supply and room. It looks like your computer has a MATX case from the pictures, so you can use full sized cards. The length might be the only restriction. You MAY be able to fit a 7770 in there, depending on the room and power supply.

a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 4:25:32 PM

I would not buy that computer. It's a horrible deal. What country you're from? Could you give us a link to your local shop? I'm sure I could find something better.
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July 28, 2012 4:51:21 PM

Sunius said:
I would not buy that computer. It's a horrible deal. What country you're from? Could you give us a link to your local shop? I'm sure I could find something better.

We don't really have a lot of good local PC shops, so I'm trying to find one on the Internet. I found this computer here: http://www.bol.com/nl/p/packard-bell-imedia-i6603-nl-co...

I'm from the Netherlands. Could you tell me why it's a horrible deal?
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 6:03:53 PM

Tharantyr said:
We don't really have a lot of good local PC shops, so I'm trying to find one on the Internet. I found this computer here: http://www.bol.com/nl/p/packard-bell-imedia-i6603-nl-co...

I'm from the Netherlands. Could you tell me why it's a horrible deal?


From the "Nl" post-fix to the part number, I gathered that it is possible you are in the Netherlands. That machine is not a good deal here in NA unless aggressively discounted.

Pre-built machines are usually less upgradable, and less customizable and often less reliable. I haven't seen Packard Bells here in North America for a long long time, and can't tell you about whether or not the machine is reliable (I can't even examine the insides). But as a general rule, I think it is not a good deal unless you have no other options.

Is online retailers available in NL ? Amazon, Newegg, Scan ?
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 6:29:37 PM

Tharantyr said:
We don't really have a lot of good local PC shops, so I'm trying to find one on the Internet. I found this computer here: http://www.bol.com/nl/p/packard-bell-imedia-i6603-nl-co...

I'm from the Netherlands. Could you tell me why it's a horrible deal?


The case is too small to upgrade a power supply. Which means you're stuck with slow cards.

There's nothing I can offer you at that shop - everything seems to be overpriced. However, how do you feel about building your PC? It's actually very easy, and since you thought about upgrading power supply, you must know how to do it. Let me tell you: building a computer is not harder than that. Take a look at this video :) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls
July 28, 2012 6:34:09 PM

Maxx_Power said:
From the "Nl" post-fix to the part number, I gathered that it is possible you are in the Netherlands. That machine is not a good deal here in NA unless aggressively discounted.

Pre-built machines are usually less upgradable, and less customizable and often less reliable. I haven't seen Packard Bells here in North America for a long long time, and can't tell you about whether or not the machine is reliable (I can't even examine the insides). But as a general rule, I think it is not a good deal unless you have no other options.

Is online retailers available in NL ? Amazon, Newegg, Scan ?

I believe Amazon is. Newegg and Scan aren't, though I'm not 100% sure about that.

Sunius said:
The case is too small to upgrade a power supply. Which means you're stuck with slow cards.

There's nothing I can offer you at that shop - everything seems to be overpriced. However, how do you feel about building your PC? It's actually very easy, and since you thought about upgrading power supply, you must know how to do it. Let me tell you: building a computer is not harder than that. Take a look at this video :) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls

Yeah, I helped a friend install a new power supply + graphics card in her computer. Was just a matter of connecting the wires to the right sockets. If building a PC is as easy as that I might consider it. I suppose building a PC myself would be cheaper than getting one from a shop?
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 6:36:10 PM

Tharantyr said:
I believe Amazon is. Newegg and Scan aren't, though I'm not 100% sure about that.


Yeah, I helped a friend install a new power supply + graphics card in her computer. Was just a matter of connecting the wires to the right sockets. If building a PC is as easy as that I might consider it. I suppose building a PC myself would be cheaper than getting one from a shop?


If you are confident to build, or have friends who are, that seems to be your best option. You can control exactly what goes into your computer.
July 28, 2012 6:38:28 PM

Maxx_Power said:
If you are confident to build, or have friends who are, that seems to be your best option. You can control exactly what goes into your computer.

I have never done it before though, so I have no idea where to start, haha...
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 6:39:32 PM

Tharantyr said:
I have never done it before though, so I have no idea where to start, haha...


That video link above is a good start. Do you know any computer savvy relatives, friends who might help you out ?

EDIT: Or a LOCAL computer store...
July 28, 2012 6:41:57 PM

Maxx_Power said:
That video link above is a good start. Do you know any computer savvy relatives, friends who might help you out ?

EDIT: Or a LOCAL computer store...

I know one guy who I think has done something like this before. There are also a couple of computer stores in my town, but I don't really know a lot about them. I guess I'll have to do some research. Thanks.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 6:47:50 PM

Tharantyr said:
I know one guy who I think has done something like this before. There are also a couple of computer stores in my town, but I don't really know a lot about them. I guess I'll have to do some research. Thanks.


You are very welcome. Support your local shops.
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 6:50:12 PM

Just watch the video above, you'll get a pretty good idea. It's very detailed. It's really as easy as installing a power supply, just a few more connections (hard drive and CPU).
July 28, 2012 6:54:04 PM

Sunius said:
Just watch the video above, you'll get a pretty good idea. It's very detailed. It's really as easy as installing a power supply, just a few more connections (hard drive and CPU).

I will. I actually just did a bit of research on Google and I found a site which allows you to choose the components you want on your computer and they will build it for you and deliver it to your house: https://www.computersamenstellen.nl/config.php?comp=int...

What do you guys think about that?

EDIT: This website might not have the best components out there, but I'm talking about the general idea of such a website.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 7:01:32 PM

Tharantyr said:
I will. I actually just did a bit of research on Google and I found a site which allows you to choose the components you want on your computer and they will build it for you and deliver it to your house: https://www.computersamenstellen.nl/config.php?comp=int...

What do you guys think about that?

EDIT: This website might not have the best components out there, but I'm talking about the general idea of such a website.


Those sites are good. I think they build good quality builds most of the time. Probably better than your brand name boxes out there like Dell, HP, etc.
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 7:02:31 PM

Yea it's a nice idea, but they take too much for doing it lol. A shop near where I live does it for 8.5 euros extra ;) .
a c 198 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 7:45:04 PM

However hard you might think it will be, It will probably be easier than that just saying.
July 28, 2012 7:56:30 PM

OK, but how will I know which parts I should get for my computer? I have no knowledge of what good processors or graphics cards are or any other part of a computer for that matter. Where can I learn about these components?
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 7:59:08 PM

Read forums, ask us :) . To get a general idea what you need, check the video I linked, just part 1 of it (I linked part 2).
a c 198 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 8:02:22 PM

Here is what you are going to need:

Case
Power supply
Motheboard
CPU
RAM
GPU
Some sort of storage
Some disc-reading drive

In a nutshell thats all you really need.

If you give us a budget I'm sure Sunius or I could put something together (Sunius does a really good job)
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 8:04:38 PM

Deemo13 said:
Here is what you are going to need:

Case
Power supply
Motheboard
CPU
RAM
GPU
Some sort of storage
Some disc-reading drive

In a nutshell thats all you really need.

If you give us a budget I'm sure Sunius or I could put something together (Sunius does a really good job)


Hehe, thanks :D 
July 28, 2012 8:05:04 PM

OK, thanks. I'll watch the video and then I'll be back with more questions. :p 

EDIT: My budget is around €800 ($985). I'd prefer a budget of around €700 ($860) though. I'm a poor student. :( 
July 28, 2012 8:54:10 PM

OK, so I watched the video. It was very informative. I now have a basic idea of the components I need for a computer. Still I would love to get some advice from you guys on which parts I should get. My budget is around €800 ($985) but I'd prefer a budget of around €700 ($860). I want to be able to play games like Skyrim, Diablo III and Assassin's Creed with a high framerate, preferably on the highest possible settings. Can you guys give me some nice setups?
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 8:56:01 PM

Yea sure. Give me a minute to fix something up :) .
July 28, 2012 9:07:32 PM

Thanks. :D 
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 9:14:21 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£47.52 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£23.04 @ Amazon UK)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£67.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB Video Card (£166.96 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case (£36.72 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Sony DDU1681S-0B DVD/CD Drive (£13.12 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £495.33
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-07-28 22:12 BST+0100)

Since I don't know any Netherland shops, I used website for UK and selected amazon only. It came out at 495 pounds, with 70 pounds more for Windows 7, it comes to 565 pounds, which is around 720 euros. You should be able to find parts priced similarly at your local shops.
July 28, 2012 9:24:52 PM

Thanks a lot! I was actually thinking of that exact graphics card, so that's cool. :D 
I was thinking of 6GB RAM or 8GB RAM though. Would that make a big difference in performance? I'll look for those items in shops in my country and I'll see what they cost over here.
July 28, 2012 10:05:49 PM

I just made a little list of shops here from which I can buy the parts, and the whole computer would cost me around 612,99 euros, which is way below the budget I had in mind. :D 
That's great, maybe I can get some more RAM or a slightly better processor.
Right now I have in mind Corsair XMS3 DDR3,1333-8GB and an Intel Core i5-2320 quadcore processor @ 3.0 GHz. Any thoughts?
Also, what difference does it make if I buy 2333 MHz RAM instead of 1333 MHz?
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 11:47:22 PM

That motherboard supports only up to 1333 MHz RAM, so buying 2333 MHz is not an option :) . Those parts that you've chosen are decent, however, you might push a bit up and get i5 2500k, which is MUCH better than i5-2320, if it fits your budget. Shouldn't be much more expensive.

The reason that CPU is so powerful because it has unlocked ability to overclock. However, the motherboard I've chosen doesn't allow it, so in order to do that in few years, you'd have to upgrade. I really doubt you can fit both better motherboard (z77 or z68 chipset) and i5 2500k inside, so I'd recommend getting the CPU if it fits the budget. Getting RAM to 8 GB is a good idea as well, I just picked 4 GB because I tried to stay in your budget ;) .
a c 198 U Graphics card
July 28, 2012 11:58:12 PM

Sunius said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£47.52 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£23.04 @ Amazon UK)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£67.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB Video Card (£166.96 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case (£36.72 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Sony DDU1681S-0B DVD/CD Drive (£13.12 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £495.33
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-07-28 22:12 BST+0100)

Since I don't know any Netherland shops, I used website for UK and selected amazon only. It came out at 495 pounds, with 70 pounds more for Windows 7, it comes to 565 pounds, which is around 720 euros. You should be able to find parts priced similarly at your local shops.


Told you so.
July 29, 2012 12:04:46 AM

Deemo13 said:
Told you so.

Yep. :D 

Sunius said:
That motherboard supports only up to 1333 MHz RAM, so buying 2333 MHz is not an option :) . Those parts that you've chosen are decent, however, you might push a bit up and get i5 2500k, which is MUCH better than i5-2320, if it fits your budget. Shouldn't be much more expensive.

The reason that CPU is so powerful because it has unlocked ability to overclock. However, the motherboard I've chosen doesn't allow it, so in order to do that in few years, you'd have to upgrade. I really doubt you can fit both better motherboard (z77 or z68 chipset) and i5 2500k inside, so I'd recommend getting the CPU if it fits the budget. Getting RAM to 8 GB is a good idea as well, I just picked 4 GB because I tried to stay in your budget ;) .

So I should get this motherboard and an i5-2500k? Also, will I be able to use the same power supply with this processor?
a c 198 U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 12:12:54 AM

Power supplies are universal. I've used one of my power supplies in 4 different builds.
July 29, 2012 12:15:53 AM

Deemo13 said:
Power supplies are universal. I've used one of my power supplies in 4 different builds.

I was actually referring to the wattage of the power supply.
a c 198 U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 12:34:43 AM

Tharantyr said:
I was actually referring to the wattage of the power supply.


Lol yea you should be fine with the same power supply. Its got 44a on the 12V, which is pretty good by todays standards.
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 9:33:47 AM

Yea you will be able to use the power supply without any problems. How much does it cost in total when you replace the CPU and add 4 more GB of RAM?
July 29, 2012 9:55:15 AM

I believe that's around €710. Which is still near my budget so I think that shouldn't really be a problem. I'll have to think about it some more though. :) 
a c 291 U Graphics card
July 29, 2012 9:56:30 AM

That's great if it fits your budget :) .
July 30, 2012 6:11:25 PM

I've just ordered the processor and the motherboard and I'm about to order the rest. I'm still going to need an OS though. I'm assuming I can just install a 64-bit version of Windows 7 using this setup?
a c 198 U Graphics card
July 30, 2012 10:35:29 PM

You should be able to just put OEM Windows 7 64-bit on there, yes.
August 10, 2012 12:08:26 AM

So, I got all the parts and built my computer about a week ago. I told myself I would thank you all for offering me your advice and to post some pictures, so here I am. I appreciate all the help.

I was going to take a ton of pictures while building the computer but I forgot to actually do it, so I only took a couple of pictures during the whole process. :p 
Anyway, here they are:







I've already been using it for a week and I'm glad to report that I can play games like Batman: Arkham City and Battlefield 3 at the highest settings and still get around 60 FPS (I'm not using an HD monitor though). :D 
a b U Graphics card
August 10, 2012 12:24:50 AM

Tharantyr said:
So, I got all the parts and built my computer about a week ago. I told myself I would thank you all for offering me your advice and to post some pictures, so here I am. I appreciate all the help.

I was going to take a ton of pictures while building the computer but I forgot to actually do it, so I only took a couple of pictures during the whole process. :p 
Anyway, here they are:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/Tharantyr/2012-08-01120527.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/Tharantyr/2012-08-01120542.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/Tharantyr/2012-08-01170541.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/Tharantyr/2012-08-01170609.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/Tharantyr/2012-08-01170631.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/Tharantyr/2012-08-01170648.jpg

I've already been using it for a week and I'm glad to report that I can play games like Batman: Arkham City and Battlefield 3 at the highest settings and still get around 60 FPS (I'm not using an HD monitor though). :D 


Sweet! Congratulations!
a c 198 U Graphics card
August 10, 2012 12:37:13 AM

Nice! looks like you got it working!
!